Why The Electoral College Ruins Democracy | Adam Ruins Everything

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Most people only care about removing the electoral college immediately after their guy has lost an election. Then they forget about the whole thing by the time their next guy is in power. That's why it may never change.

👍︎︎ 102 👤︎︎ u/TheyMightBeTrolls 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

The implication a lot of people seem to be taking away from this election is that if there were a popular vote then Hillary would have won. That's not right. It's a static analysis. It's like when someone says that "we would have won the football game if we made that field goal in the second half." The problem in that example is that teams change their strategy based on events on the field (and the scoreboard).

For example, if the rules were popular vote I'm confident that Trump would have spent more time in California to drive up the vote there. And it doesn't take a deep understanding of game theories to know that for a lot of people in places like California they may have voted had they thought it would have "counted."

This isn't to say Hillary wouldn't have won in a popular vote scenario, just that it isn't a foregone conclusion.

👍︎︎ 46 👤︎︎ u/psychjoe 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

The Electoral College sucks except that at the same time, it keeps the largest population centers from having complete control over the rest of the country. Case in point.

What ruins democracy is the idiotic, archaic single-choice system in a political system with more than two viable parties. Instant Runoff / Ranked Choice voting exists, and works - yet hardly anyone knows about it (except Maine luckily). And on a state-by-state basis, it would be perfectly compatible with the current incarnation of the EC.

12 states in yesterday's election (by my current count at least) had no actual majority winner. People want to blame the third parties / third party voters for being spoilers, but we should instead be blaming this adherence to a system that doesn't accomodate them properly.

👍︎︎ 38 👤︎︎ u/Falco98 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

Well yeah, the electoral college sucks if the person you didn't vote for wins.

The problem is that the EC will never go away because the people who are in power are there because of the EC.

👍︎︎ 19 👤︎︎ u/OldArmyMetal 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

i wish these videos would let him finish his arguments

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/IBeLikeDudesBeLikeEr 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

You'd think after 240 years people would have worked out that the United States is a federal republic and not a direct democracy.

👍︎︎ 55 👤︎︎ u/TrixieMisa 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

I will probably get downvoted for this, but I just have to interject and say that the United States is not a democracy. In fact, the intent of the founding fathers was not for it to be a democracy.

It is a democratic republic. For this purpose, the Electoral College exists.

On the other hand, I completely understand and sympathize with critiques of the Electoral College. It's very confusing.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/SWEETSPO_14 📅︎︎ Nov 10 2016 🗫︎ replies

Democracy ruins democracy. The fact anyone has a say in topics they aren't educated in is the issue. We should have focused democracy based on your education.

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/VerticalAstronaut 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies

If we didn't have the electoral college every election would be decided by California, New York, and Texas. So basically the electoral college is only a problem when a republican you don't like wins.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/Zuthis 📅︎︎ Nov 09 2016 🗫︎ replies
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(upbeat music) - Every four years, we hear the words "Electoral College" over and over again. But we never talk about what a ridiculous, and frankly undemocratic system it really is. The Electoral College gives vastly more power to different voters depending on what state they live in. - Bigger states. - Nope, smaller states. If your state has less people, you have more power. Not too may people live in Wyoming. But they have three electoral votes, or one for ever 135,000 voters. California is packed with people, but they have 55 electoral votes, or one for every 411,000 voters. And that's totally out of proportion, because it means it takes three times as many Californians to earn one electoral vote, giving voters in Wyoming three times the power in the Electoral College. As a result of this system, your vote could count for less just because of where you live. Infographics rule, right? - Yeah, well, it does seem unfair, but who cares if the Electoral College is kooky? I'm kooky. I have two turtles. - Okay, well, it gets worse, because the Electoral College also creates swing states. - Oh, I love the swing states. They make election night so exciting. Kind of like when my turtles move a little. - What? Exciting? I think the fact that the entire election is determined by just a handful of states is really messed up. For one thing, it means presidential candidates can ignore almost the entire country. Hello, America. I'm Adam Conover. And I'm running for President of Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. And boy, do I love Florida oranges, Philadelphia cheesesteaks, and whatever you people like in Ohio. The rest of the country can go suck a big one! - People in Ohio like Lebron James. - Who? I don't know many actors. Anyway, swing states have so much power, that in recent elections, up to 80% of all the votes cast in America had no impact on the outcome. That includes your vote here in California. - Well, some states are red states, and some states are blue states. That's the way America is. - Actually, most states are pretty purple. In 2012, over 3 million Texans voted Democrat. - I love barbecue, Blake Shelton, and abortions, y'all. - And almost five million Californians voted Republican. - Surf's all, y'all. You know what else needs to go up? Border wall with Mexico, dude. - If electoral votes were awarded proportionately, in 2012, 16 of Texas's electoral votes would have gone to Obama, and 20 of California's would have gone to Romney. But in our winner-take-all system, anyone who wants to vote for their state's losing party might as well just stay home. - Oh, bummer. - Okay, everybody, get out. I can't listen to any more. - How about we all vote? - Wait, who are all these people? - Oh, these are the electors. They're the people who actually vote for President. - I thought the Electoral College was just a name? - Nope. When we vote, we're actually just picking our state's electors. Then, those electors get together and cast their ballots for President. - But who are they? - Oh. Mostly retired politicians and party flacks. - I'm the governor's rich cousin! - Okay, Mr. Smarty. That's just a technicality. They have to vote for who we choose. - Actually, in 24 states, they can vote for whoever they want. And that's happened over 80 times. In 2004, an elector in Minnesota cast his vote for someone named John Ewards. Which was almost the name of John Kerry's running mate. - Did you mean John Edwards? - Yes. I may have a drinking problem. - That actually happened? - That actually happened. That elector's vote didn't go to John Kerry. It went to the guy running for Vice President. The Electoral College is such a bad system, people have been trying to abolish it for centuries, but so far, it's been politically impossible. - Okay. Well, thank you for the information. I cannot believe our beautiful system has become so messed up. - Oh, no, the founding fathers designed our system this messed up. - Alright, hold on a minute, young man. You do not talk about the founding fathers like that. They were brilliant men who fought hard for my right to vote. - Actually, the founding fathers didn't think you should be able to vote at all. Or me. Or most Americans. Let's go back in time and I'll prove it to you. (screaming and electrical sparking) Hey, I'm Adam from CollegeHumor. If you like that clip, make sure to check out my new show, "Adam Ruins Everything." Tuesdays at 10PM on TruTV. It's gonna ruin your Tuesday, but trust me. The rest of your week will be fine.
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