Why Mike Rowe is Fed Up with COVID Fear-Mongering | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 135

today I have a guest that is interested in the moments that changed human history which is why he owes a special gratitude to sheep testicles if you're a fan of this show and the show Dirty Jobs you know what I'm talking about it's ugly you know his voice from The Deadliest Catch How the Universe Works in Shark Week his new show six degrees focuses on the synchronicity of History the way it's all connected in its own way from the death of Ned Kelly to a super colossal volcano he tells the unknown stories of people who have worked their butts off the innovators and the every man who followed opportunities he tells us stories in a way that you don't hear these days very often uh he tells American stories he's dedicated to America he offers solutions to the problems of our time because what's truly impressive about him is the way he has affected our society the way he inspires individualism he goes on and on and on in this podcast about a virtue that most people avoid risk today on the Glenn Beck podcast welcome Mike Rowe abortion is a leading cause of death in the U.S and the world it's crazy since Roe versus weighed over 63 million babies aborted here in the U.S nearly one in four pregnancies do not choose life in the midst of this awful pandemic uh you wonder if it's too big to stop it's not you can actually make an impact yourself the ministry of pre-born and Blaze media have partnered up to help rescue babies from abortion in 2022 pre-born is the direct competition to Planned Parenthood and the largest provider of free ultrasounds in the U.S and they have found that if you show a woman their baby with ultrasound they hear the heartbeat they're 80 percent more likely to choose life for their baby so that's all that preborn does they just provide those ultrasounds that's expensive but if we're all pitching in together over the past 15 years pre-born centers have counseled over 340 000 women considering abortion more than 169 000 babies are alive today because of this twenty eight dollars that sponsors one ultrasound to help save one baby's life 140 dollar sponsorship five babies a chance at life all the gifts are tax deductible you want to help donate dial pound 250 and say the key word baby that's pound 250 keyword baby or just go to preborn.com Glennon [Music] thank you it's been how long since you sat on this set with me I think I was it feels like seven years yeah you were you were early on and I've watched you grow and change and you've grown this little Empire of yours that is just remarkable uh thanks you did two things that that helped uh that helped me double down on it the first was you won't remember this but we auctioned off a poster I was doing all kinds of different things to raise money for the foundation and I had this uh work smart and hard poster yeah you autographed it I autographed and we put it up for auction and one of your viewers or listeners paid like sixteen thousand dollars for it and that made me think you know what we can raise a lot of money doing non-traditional things for the foundation right and the second thing you said was hey the social media thing it's kind of a nightmare but don't be an idiot okay get a Facebook page well I had it and I was I wasn't really tending to it yeah the way I could yeah but it was an easy transition for me because like you I always I always thought my real boss watched and listen yeah and so I just started using Facebook as a um as a focus group of sorts and uh I woke up I don't know a few months later and there were six million people on there amazing so it's it's made a huge difference yeah are you ever concerned about saying something and being banished because you really you are very Frank on things right now I'm thinking um yes I I mean I'm I'm concerned in the sense that um we're living in a time obviously when the consequences for wandering too far out of your lane or saying a magical word can be done not even wandering out of your lane I don't know what my Lane is you take up half the pool my friend your lane is wide but so you are worried have you had any oh sure sure I mean my my for my first real brush with cancellation came before the cancel culture thing was a thing I narrated a Walmart commercial and the and the Walmart commercial uh basically announced the reopening of factories and trumpeted the company's intention to spend a quarter of a trillion dollars over the next 10 years in supply chain I don't work for Walmart didn't have a deal with them but I agreed to narrate the spot because I thought it was really simpatico with my foundation and I like the idea of a big American company investing in American manufacturing and so I narrated this thing a beautiful spot aired during the Olympics in fact about eight years ago I guess and um well before I went to bed I you know I posted something uh shared a copy of the spot some people loved it but the union issue oh my God people were like how could you how could you get in bed with the company that treats its workers so poorly and so I thought whoa you must be this tall to get on that ride right I didn't sign on for that I just had a glass of wine wrote a post and was going to bed well right I got up in the middle of the night as men of our age dude to take care of business I looked again at the Facebook page and this thing had gone around the world what happened next was incredible I was uh I was boycotted by an organization called jobs for justice and they were challenging me to come out and meet with Walmart workers meanwhile like I said I have no relationship with the company and I just did The Voice work I need a labor nightmare like I need a hole in the head right so I'm like I can't really deal with that but they crashed my website they had thousands of people writing letters and they were calling for boycotts of everything that I was involved in I didn't know who these people were meanwhile I'm out in the Press defending both myself and weirdly enough Walmart right and so the next night I'm on CNN then I'm on Fox News and we're having this giant conversation about work and about unions and about manufacturing and suddenly I realized wait a second there's a weird upside to this because I'm in the midst of something but I'm also using it to promote my Foundation meanwhile Walmart's getting all kinds of Tailwind because the Dirty Jobs guys out there in the world talking about the importance of revitalizing the supply chain next thing you know we got a call from the president of Walmart and his uh head of PR saying in known certain terms what the hell are you doing you're out there speaking on our behalf I'm like well somebody should right and I'm not really speaking on your behalf I'm speaking on my behalf right so as long are they kind of mad at you they weren't mad because on the one hand they loved this commercial and their initiative I believe was sincere and they were getting more unearned media and attention than than they ever imagined I was getting boycotted on the other hand and so Mary my partner and I we we just decided you know what we we have to get in front of it we scheduled our own satellite media tour we called our own press people and I went out in the world to have the conversation and it was the it was the craziest thing right but I I could it was like stepping off the curb and having someone grab you at the last minute when the big blue bus goes by right because it could it could have tilted right so what I wound up doing was writing an open letter to jobs uh with Justice and I and I explained that they crashed our website and we're a small monpa company and I further explained that the people you're representing who work for Walmart what do you do when you're trying to get them another eight or ten cents an hour I'm offering to train them how to weld or how to learn a skill that's actually in demand double maybe triple their salary so that conversation took a whole different turn but that's a long way of saying yeah I I'm mindful of it yeah I I've I've seen your your pushbacks and they're brilliant I mean they're really really brilliant thanks let me stay with unions for just a second um there's a goal now of uh uh tripling the union membership in the next few years by the administration they got they're pushing good union jobs I don't have a problem with unions when unions are needed you know the it's always the balance sometimes people get too greedy at the top and that's when a union needs to pull them back sometimes the unions get too greedy they need to be pulled back why is it we can't ever find the reasonable middle ground because everything is always changing you're nailing Jello to a tree right the times are different when the unions the trade unions anyway when they came about the turn of the century I I don't know that anybody would have argued or disputed their relevance from everything from safety to working conditions all that stuff they made their point in some areas in some areas they didn't right and so everything was always constantly evolving I wandered into this morass this miasma uh and was in a really odd position because my Foundation makes no distinction between right to work and Union I've trained lots of people who are happy in unions and I've trained lots of people who are working in non-union States but for my own self Glenn right and and I think we're probably we've probably been in the same unions it's great Actors Guild aftra agma I've been in those unions for decades and I'll tell you a true story when I auditioned for QVC very first job in television unions told me not to take it wasn't a union shop right and they told me that there would be serious consequences I had no choice I needed to work and it was a steady paycheck so I violated Global rule one and they didn't throw me out but they didn't like it and a couple years later when I started a show called your new home in Baltimore that ran for 15 years they said you can't do that you're not a signatory and I said why don't we have much of a choice and they said we're gonna you know big con I did it I had to do it they told me not to do dirty jobs so look that's crazy the union has done a lot of good the unions I belong to but they affirmatively at the three most important points in my life affirmatively discouraged me from taking a risk and uh risk is really the four-letter word we should probably concern ourselves with most these days and I feel like um you know everybody's searching for progress but I feel like we're being pulled back into all of the old systems all the old systems are saying no no got to do it my way got to do it my way um I feel like our government all over the world it's like living in the 1950s um mainly because a lot of our politicians were there in the 1950s um I feel like the big media corporations are doing everything they can to hold on to their power and it's a weird thing to have progress be uh labeled progress when it's actually taking us back the other direction sure because people are it's water in their hands you know you can hold it for a while but look what we're doing right here right 10 years ago a podcast wasn't a thing like you you built this studio you you got out from Fox and you just said wait a second it was Madness when we did it it was risk you you know you saw the risk but like a lot of successful people you didn't run from it you actually used it you know and and that's the thing I worry most about today and it it it is germane to the union conversation but it's also relevant to everything from masks our risk averse nature I believe is the answer to your question that's the thing that holds us back it's the it's the fear of trying a new thing it's the fear of consequences it's our desire for certainty boy there's been a lot of certainty over the airwaves in the last couple of years a lot of certain sounding experts not a certain sounding politicians you know we're long uncertainty but we're very very short and authenticity and uh and in facts that's funny I said about five six years ago the one thing I'm certain of is that I am no longer certain of anything uh and you don't see that from people we are all you're exactly right everybody is certain let me go to the mass for a second because at the beginning you were you were I think everybody can give a pass at the beginning of the of covid because we had no idea what we were dealing with and we all wanted to do the right thing you know nobody wants to kill anybody and nobody wants to die when did you change on that what is what's how have you evolved on that because you were I gave I was the last public speaker at the last large public event in the country started on March 9th it was the construction Expo in Las Vegas and had it started on the 10th they would have canceled the whole thing but once you get three hundred thousand dirty jobbers in Vegas to buy heavy equipment right right that party doesn't end right right and so it was the strangest thing you know Monday NFL starts canceling and then the then the NBA and then baseball and then Broadway closed and Meanwhile my job there is to shake hands and every 10 minutes that loudspeaker says avoid all contact don't touch anybody when I went home after five days of shaking tens of thousands of hands I was pretty sure I was riddled with it you know right got home on Friday the 13th just in time uh for the governor for the governor to lock California down and uh like everybody else obviously I was you know I'm washing vegetables I'm looking at the news I'm trying to make sense of all this um and two weeks to flatten the curb made me nervous but it also made sense our Health Care system is either over on or it's not yep and we don't want it overrun so I was on board with all that me too I participated in PSAs you know what I regret most Glenn I said about probably very very early in April I was doing the first Zoom show in prime time I was interviewing the captains on Deadliest Catch and we were doing it long distance and I thought it was terribly clever for me to tell these captains you know guys for the first time in my lifetime anyway we're all in the same boat and everybody nodded and everybody agreed later I thought about it we're not in the same boat we're in the same storm what does that mean it means your boat may vary that guy's in a dinghy that guy's in a yacht that guy's on a barge that guy's holding on for dear life to a piece of floatsome or Jetsam you know that guy's on a pleasure Cruise and the way we weathered the storm started to become really interesting to me and then the way we processed the risk and then like the frog and the boiling water the more we got used to being told by certain sounding people you know we our we began to Crave certainty and of course that's what happens when we're scared and I was scared I was scared for my mom and dad you know who were in their 80s who got it by the way they're fine um and I was scared for myself and and and I was scared I was scared because I couldn't for the life of me understand how it was going to end and when you take the measures that we were taking with no clear rubric for success or termination then it's just very very difficult to to feel good about the Terminus and there was just no Terminus in this thing if the last two years have taught us anything is it is it that we have to take control of our own health and our own lives we can't rely on the government or the so-called exports uh we can look to science but not the science this is where Z stack comes in z-stack is a specially formulated immune boosting supplement it has everything in it from zinc vitamin C vitamin D whole bunch of stuff it has everything that Dr zelenko he is Vladimir zelenko is world-renowned Doctor he's the guy that President Trump credited with his successful early treatment protocol and his decision to take hydroxychloroquine he's been studying this from the get-go and while everybody else wants to say oh you can't treat it you just have to have the jab in the arm no that's not true I now take it every day Dr zelenko treated me for my bout with Corona virus by taking z-stack daily you are supercharging your immune system z-stack formulated to help combat any and all variants as well as the flu so start taking it right now stay ahead of any potential variants boost your immune system it's zstacklife.com Beck zstafflife.com back I remember thinking why aren't more people saying why can my Home Depot open but my local True Value Hardware can't it was for a country that you know questions the big pharmaceutical question companies and questions big business we through mom and pop down way under the bus way under the bus I spoke at a gathering of the you'll laugh because this is just one more Association maybe you know about it maybe you don't but the National Association of hardwood floor and carpet installers okay all right so 5 000 people show up at this thing and they're all monpa operations and they do what their association's name would suggest but for the last two years they they couldn't work to your point all the big box guys did now this Association needs to hire in the next four to five years 180 000 people they're paying twenty five dollars an hour to Apprentice right people that have no experience putting in a hard floor and they've got a path to a really good career Glenn they can't find anybody I know they they can't find them and this is one Association representing tens of thousands of people that have to hire a lot there are so many associations in the country right now the energy business has its back against the wall the Cable business the Broadband business everybody's looking for skilled labor right and nobody can find it so that really started to worry me too as this went on you laugh at this too regarding masks I safety third safety third I love that this crazy mask look at this thing right now it's become I think like a collector's item we've sold tens of thousands of these raised over four hundred thousand dollars for the microworks foundation and we started doing this I think it was in July of 2020 when it became clear to me that okay cloth masks don't don't work and we're being told that we have to wear a thing that doesn't work correct that's what I believed then and today it seems self-evident um and I thought well what do you do for what do you do for people who have to have to wear a mask but don't want to and who understand that just because you're in compliance doesn't mean you're out of danger correct right so I wasn't taking the situation lightly or suggesting that that the disease wasn't highly contagious and very very serious I was just saying wait a second this doesn't work this isn't going to work but if you're going to make me do a thing that doesn't work I kind of I kind of want to be able to at least give you half the finger right not the whole finger right right right but right maybe just a pleasant reminder just the tip right so you know explain safety third for people who don't know your rules so safety third um does not mean that safety isn't critically important it just means that there is an Orthodoxy in our country that has become a platitudeness and that is based on the old Trope Safety First safety first came out of uh The Vocational world and it was an attempt and a pretty successful one to get Workers more focused on the importance of being safe but like so many other campaigns they overreached and in their attempt to get people more focused on safety they said that there was nothing as important as safety and everywhere on dirty jobs that I went for the first couple years you know I saw these Safety First banners my crew and I sat through dozens of mandatory safety briefings lockout tag out procedures confined space procedures we went through all of it and believe me Glenn we paid attention because we wanted to go home with everything working right and so first couple years nobody got hurt season three was craziest thing broken finger here broken toe there cracked rib cinched off my eyebrows in a blast furnace uh a couple concussions nothing serious stitches like the wheels came off the bus why we were still going through all the safety first machinations we were just not paying attention it was like Charlie Brown's teacher you sit through 50 safety briefings right the idea that somebody can tell you that your safety is their top priority the minute you believe that you're in danger because nobody can be more responsible for your safety than you and if if the real enemy is complacency and I believe that to be true then we have to say something to cut through all the platitude and this garbage that lulls us into a false sense of security safety third became the rallying cry on Dirty Jobs it simply meant be careful be careful I was in uh I was at the Grand Canyon and I went to the Native American side not a fence to be found okay they built that huge glass platform out that you walk on isn't that it's magnificent it's amazing it's amazing um and if you've been there you know there's no safety anywhere there's no warnings you know like hey a couple more steps you fall off the cliff and uh I asked one of the guides I said how many people fall off the cliff he said we don't have any correct there's a thing it's somewhat controversial but it's actually at the root this isn't just me being a smart ass right I actually read a paper it's published in Canada years ago by a guy who talked about uh risk equilibrium homeostatic risk and uh compensatory uh behavioral so basically what all that means is everybody in this room has a different risk tolerance and when you introduce safety protocols an interesting thing happens to your behavior for instance if I if I put a helmet on you study after study after study shows you drive a little faster on the motorcycle it's I think that's why there's so many problems you don't have the problems in uh in rugby that you have in the NFL correct correct I'm safe that's right I'm I'm I'm in compliance I got my gear I can go more therefore let's let's rock it right I'll never forget standing on the deck of a crab boat on the Bering Sea in 2004 first time we were up there for Deadliest Catch and it was sporty I mean 15 foot Seas sideways sleep and we're still working in it right we're hauling up pots we're doing the whole thing and I walked into the Wheelhouse at one point I'm like hey Captain OSHA and he like looks at me he got a cigarette burning in his mouth he's got one behind his ear also lit seriously everywhere and he's looking out the window and green water's coming over the bow and he says ocean I'm like no I get it we're all terribly brave but I mean at what point at what point do we kind of wrap this up okay cameraman out there I got all sorts of stuff it's going off the rails and he says son he calls him he's my age basically son look I'm the captain of a crab boat my job is not to get you home safe my job is to get you home Rich you want to be safe be safe that's on you now nobody in the lower 48 would ever talk to anybody like that and I'm not even saying this was a good thing I'm just making the point that when somebody who you think is primarily concerned with your safety reminds you that they're not you make sure your life jacket is on properly you make sure you got three points of contact all of the time it's just like being at the edge of the Grand Canyon there's no fence to lean against right and so somewhere in all of that again I'm not but see this goes back to that because it goes back to risk everything goes back yes I mean if you're not uh you know there's there's people who I'm sure will say this to you oh you got a great job I wish I had your job blah blah blah do you because I can sit down and I can tell you about what I do yeah and the risks that I have to take every day and and everything else and you'll probably say I don't want to do that you know that's correct right with everything there is risk and there's a bunch of Dirty Jobs you don't want to do but that's what takes you there correct look if anybody takes anything from this I I think it the whole safety third conversation really comes down to just rattling your cage and doing doing something to break your patterns something that scares you right like I probably have signed 200 well probably a thousand General releases you know you're on a TV show you got to sign a release um although you didn't give me one that's weird that's right what are we doing here that's right no you you have to sign the release and and the more hazardous the activity typically the thicker the release the release and the finer the print correct right when I tested a shark suit we made a stainless steel shark suit a few years ago with the inventor and then we threw Chum the water dozens of reef sharks come in and I'm dressed up like Ivanhoe and this guy's dressed up like sir Gallagher and we and we jump in to deliberately get bitten to test the suit crazy job well his release said I blank do hereby understand that I'm about to engage in an activity that is stupid on its face the idea that I'm going to survive this is wishful thinking it's going to hurt I'm going to get bit by a shark I know this is going to happen sincerely right I mean it was the most straight up so it should be I was like huh so if I sign this now I'm I'm very very very clear headed about it we would be so much better off just doing that to tell the truth and releases to tell the truth about safety and if you if you if you look at our relationship to risk over the last couple of years the whole notion of covet zero the whole notion of eliminating it you know it began with uh what's his name that genius Cuomo right a genius this guy I mean look I I again I'm trying to stay in my Lane but we're on this you're right I know I know no I know you'll remember the moment no measure he said no matter how Draconian can be deemed an overreach if it saves a single life that is when I started making safety third masks honestly because good grief the number of people who believed that Glenn oh that is incredible we've lost all sense of balance between freedom and safety all sense so where is it how do we gain that back I want my freedom you know it's not where in the constitution does it say the government's supposed to keep us safe except for guarding our borders which they don't do and making sure that we have a military for anybody that comes into evade that's it right that's all it's almost as if we realized at some point over the last couple of years that we were mortal and it's like what do you mean no no we're we're living forever right we this is what do you what are you telling me about this the this new danger thing it was the novelness of the novel coronavirus that also made me say wait a second what what's really novel here I I suspect you're a fan of C.S Lewis he wrote and this is worth a Google too if you haven't seen this in 1948 he answered a question and the question was how am I to live in the atomic age and people were just getting their heads around the novelness of the fact that a bomb a missile could land I mean a terrible terrible thing and I didn't live through it but can you imagine the anxiety of living in a world where you suddenly realized that there was a nuke pointed at you right we're freaked out with masks and kids in schools right now they were diving under chairs I hear that you and I are approximately the same age I remember waking up in Terror because we'd have these instructional films shown at school and I'd be like wait the whole world can be gone tonight in 11 or 18 minutes that's crazy I remember that too we would have been in in grade school right but our parents in 1948 were three years after Hiroshima correct and they were all grown up and they were looking around going correct that was a big bomb and it's only a matter of time until the Soviets get it and so forth and so what what C.S Lewis says in this is how to live in the atomic age it's the same way you lived when at any moment the Vikings could arrive on the shore rape and plunder and do whatever they would the same way the next smallpox could come the next Black Death he goes down the list he says look it it always feels different it always feels new especially when you give it a new name the novel coronavirus covid 19. well guess what now it's now it's 22. right right and people are starting I think to I think it's only a matter of time until you get bored with being scared you're still we're already there I think America has changed I think the whole world has changed enough enough we got it you know when you get to the point because you know as a student of History I know what happened in 1918 and it was much worse than what just happened and when this was coming down I was one of the first people talking about it really early in January and I said Don't Fear the virus even though we don't know what it is they're welding people into their houses Don't Fear the virus fear what the consequences are of the virus economically and to our nation and that's what we've seen you know you you're going to deal with it we're going to deal with it and we're going to survive or fear both but Prudence right Prudence you don't you don't drive at 55 miles an hour simply because the sign says you can when it's snowing but see but this is this is the thing right but this is the thing we weren't people were already self-isolating they were already saying I remember when the when the president said we're going to close everything for 15 days and I was like well join the club I mean because we were already self-isolating sure people people it that made sense to people what didn't make sense is how long it went on and still going on in some places Canada that's look if there's no exit strategy then there's no exit talk to the people talk to the people as we're here on fear for a second we're entering a time but we haven't seen maybe since World War II the Civil War revolutionary where there are right now serious consequences for going against you know the the accepted narrative whatever that narrative is it's changed I don't know how many times here but Canada we have a woman who was one of the main organizers she's facing 10 years in prison in Canada they've lost their livelihood they lost everything they had in the bank they lost their truck because she contributed a couple hundred bucks because she was an organizer but the but it was peaceful right you know everything she did was Square within the law except maybe parking fines [Music] that scares a lot of people you see this government come down Canadians right now but we're having it here too the government comes down they're coming down to make sure you understand don't screw with us how do you how do you what would you say to people about the fear of government coming down on you at this time losing your job losing everything there's no mask to protect you from that there's no PPE to protect you from that there's no vaccine to protect you from that the only thing that can protect you from that are your neighbors and your willingness to stand up it's very very hard as you know to be the first one to stand up and so much of what we've seen over the last couple of years down here I think reminds me that old hence Christian Anderson you know The Emperor's New Clothes oh yeah when the emperor is told that his garments are fantastic and of course the tailors haven't made any garments at all but they convince him that he's clothed and he sits there in his chair and he's paraded through town naked and all the townspeople are like oh well yes those are amazing clothes who went on it was the kid it was a kid who finally says hey that that dude is naked man and then some adults started nodding like you were going yeah yeah he's naked and then pretty soon okay we all see it and you know you know you can't arrest the whole town right so I don't know where it tips exactly but I would say to people that in so many ways speaking only for myself I have felt like that kid and and I've also felt like a bystander in the crowd you know I I wasn't the first to do or say anything I had a lot of pushback on safety third I believe we did I bet you did and had I not donated the proceeds to my Foundation uh I'm not quite sure how I would have positioned that publicly But to answer your question I just think that when it tips is when we can no longer bear to be told the thing we're looking at is not the thing that's happening we it's happening a lot now everywhere you look everywhere it's happening with the language it's happy that protest was mostly peaceful I saw someone on CNN it was in the it was on a Saturday morning it was completely peaceful I mean the birds were chirping in the background practically nothing happening and they said this may look like a peaceful rally but don't be fooled yeah this is their sacrificing virgins right around the corner and it was the exact opposite of when they were reporting with Fievel City burning down thing it's mostly peaceful but it's it's not just that The Border's secure never mind the thousands of people you can see running over it um Afghanistan was a success pay no attention to those bodies falling from the sky and don't worry about the Fourteen thousand still over there with green cards who are screwed right on and on and on and on and on you know that's actually that's what I think the let's go Brandon thing was that's not what it was about when it started but that's what it became because everybody in that crowd could hear what was being chanted yes but the nice lady in front of the camera said oh can you hear them they're saying let's go Brandon and they're you're sitting right there a Washington level of cognitive dissonance that's almost impossible to overstate and you say No actually that's not what they're saying so what we're going to do now it was kind of a do you think that was do you think that's what she heard or do you think that was a brilliant I mean that was a brilliant cover it was a nice cover and I thought she did it with kind of a smile and a wink as if to say I guess we all know what's happening but but she sold it and right and if you look at the transcript she's clearly saying and the crowd is is so behind you let's go oh let's go yeah yeah and so I you know the people I've talked to since that happened that have adopted that expression not to say f Joe Biden they adopt that expression whenever they're asked whenever they're asked to be a townsperson in The Emperor's New Clothes correct and just nod and go yep those clothes sure are pretty let's go let's go Brandon because here we go again yeah we're we're being asked to believe the unbelievable if you're one of the 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and tell them what they've done you know it's so funny you said that somebody the other day was talking about like they they didn't really replace Larry King no they didn't you know and and part of the reason I think was because they were pretty sure that um people didn't have the attention span or the appetite for a longer form hello Joe Rogan hello podcasting oh I know people are starving for it they're starving for it um and so it's it's not just the long format they're starving for authenticity which is really hard to do in short bursts yeah look and very hard to fake but if you can you can fake it it's great once you do that then the world's your oyster all right I am I have an epigram in my book um that's a quote from my favorite fictitious character Travis McGee who lives on a houseboat and solves crimes John D McDonald created it back in 1964 and among many other quotable things McGee said uh and a big thick paragraph full of all the things he's suspicious of and all the things he's wary of it ends with but most of all I am wary of all earnestness and that right now we were talking about certainty before being long on certainty um this is there's never been a time in my view when Americans should be more skeptical of every single thing everything everything including everything I'm saying right now every single agreeing ought to be held up weighed and measured and evaluated as best an individual can can do it but rather than being encouraged to be skeptical we are told by our journalists to trust us trust us and certain sounding people in a crisp well-modulated baritone will sit behind their microphone and tell you the way it is trust us they say and the experts in the lab coats they say trust us it's science I'm science right it's not science the science whatever yeah whatever you put in front of something somebody's trying to sell yourself exactly right so instead of being wary of earnestness we are told we are we are cajoled we're challenged if you question Glenn you're a denier skepticism which is not cynicism by the way or Insanity it's just skepticism here we are surrounded by ambiguity and experts that can't agree on all sorts of things and we are told that if we're skeptical of anything then we're just a denier a fill in the blank a science denier a climate denier a mask denier so rather than encouraging a skeptical mind we seem our institutions in particular seem convinced seem dedicated to the proposition of erasing that right that quality that's what that's what I think is under siege and that worries me I saw an article this week in the New York Times it was about um the scandal of spying on the president and the reason why the New York Times hasn't covered any of that and first they said it was all misinformation and then the very next sentence was and to be able to really tell this story it's very complex with a lot of different names that people don't know and it would require an enormous effort on this on the side of the reader to understand that which makes us question whether things like this should be covered at all it was incredible that's incredible the INF infertilization infantilization yeah that's what it is it's it's it's look we're not children and and we shouldn't be treated like children and the idea that somebody somewhere is doesn't trust us to sift through conflicting views this business with Rogue and fascinated me you know because the two doctors that caused all the problems I don't know them you know but but Robert Malone holds nine patents I know an mRNA vaccines I know and the other guy McCullough is the most published cardiologist in the world now maybe they're nuts maybe they're wrong we should have caught that before but but but but if you can't talk to people who are that credentialed who can you right and so for all of that pushback that he got I I I found that kind of chilling because somebody's Neil Young doesn't think I'm capable of listening to ideas that might be incorrect and Mike when did when did rock and roll become the man yeah it's amazing to me all these especially these aging hippies that were like hey fight the power man you got the right and now all of a sudden they're like hey shut up or we'll put you in jail it's crazy misinformation disinformation now information is that is a thing Mal and you know what Mal information is had to look it up I enlighten me it is when somebody knows that it's a lie and is spreading it just for malice oh so misinformation is somebody who doesn't know that it's true that it's not true disinformation is somebody who knows it's not true and uh Mal information is somebody who knows it's not true and has a heart full of malice but don't forget the fourth yeah the noble lie okay the noble the noble lie is what we say when your best interest might be compromised by the truth let's assume masks work to tell people that masks don't work at a time when there was a shortage of mask was deemed a noble lie in order to make sure it was just a lie it was just a lie and we knew it was a lie and it infuriated me at the time because I'm like said a bit you don't trust the American people I had a bunch of masks you know what I did I didn't hoard them I brought them to my local hospital and I know I'm not alone there were millions of people who did that you just didn't trust us when you don't expect the best from people you're never gonna get it nope you're never gonna get it yeah it's a it's a self-fulfilling kind of kind of Prophecy and it it impacts public policy but it also impacts the way we disseminate risk and I I will always come back to that because it's our relationship with fear do you think you are more of a risk taker because I think your heart's always been into performance I mean you were an opera singer so do you think I mean you have to risk if you're going to be good at something you have to risk well I told you earlier on on your radio show when I was a host Dick Clark gave me some really really great advice which was don't walk out and say hi everybody even though you're broadcasting talk to one person at a time and so for 10 years or so I I worked really hard at being the best host I I could be and I got pretty facile at it but I didn't really have any success until I could learn another lesson in the sewers of San Francisco where I realized I was a better guest so if I could if I could be the titular figure in a program but think of myself as a guest instead of a host that was a risk right it was a big risk because on Dirty Jobs if if there was a pie in somebody's face it was their pie in my face right I if there's a brunt of a joke it's me I'm the new guy every day working with an expert who has never been on TV before but who is quite good at his or her job and so for me the the willingness to be humbled on International television was the proximate cause of whatever success I've I've had but that was a risk and that's something I I've wanted to ask you about too as a as a performer you know there's a lot of risk in Dirty Jobs visually but like the risk of leaving Fox the risk of building this right the the risk of going of taking the reverse commute in your chosen field that you know you you were rewarded for it but you could have just as easily been crushed you have to not want something so much you know um uh this building I bought it for 4.9 million you know we started negotiating at 19. okay 19. took a year yeah but I didn't want it that much and they were like it's worth 19 I'm like well go find that person that thinks it's worth 19. is it yeah and I started it I said it's worth five and they said no and I didn't want it that badly and they kept coming back and I'd go okay it's really great you've you're offering 12. five and I got it for four nine they got to five I said no now it's four nine now is the is the operative word right how much time did it take to get them where you where you needed to get them year uh year year a couple months maybe yeah but it it's it's the the concept is and this happens to TV people in Stars I think all the time and you can see it in them they get some success and then they want it and they want it to stay and so they'll start compromising and doing anything to get it and that's I think what is happening in all over the world people are willing to compromise because they just want this and what they don't realize is you're not going to have this it's not going to be the same once you start compromising you not only lose that you lose everything it's to my mind it's not just the compromise it's the it's the duplicativeness why does so much news look the same why does so much FM radio sound the same why does so much music sound the same you know it's once you have a little bit of success as a as a producer as an executive producer somebody who can make a call right um Dirty Jobs has been on the air 20 years the first three episodes that aired uh were the highest rated of the week but the show was put on the shelf for a year because it wasn't consistent with what the network saw at the time as their core audience right this is not on brand so they so they put it on the Shelf now that was a safe bet for somebody to do but and probably made sense somewhat at the time it doesn't make sense now but somebody later took a risk and they put it back on the air knowing it wasn't quite consistent with the brand and guess what it became the brand 39 shows have evolved out of dirty jobs that's crazy it became the brand the the whole construct of of a host as a guest or a guest as a host you you see it all the time now the whole device of bringing the behind the scenes guys into the show that was Dirty Jobs right that level of authenticity that kind of shooting was risky I we didn't do second takes that was one of my mandates it's like look if back then I figured reality TV meant reality right so let's let's show you a day on the job exactly as I see it now of course we can edit but I wanted the viewer to see a a linear chronological look at my day not a montage of some stuff and Fast Cuts and everything else right and you know what take two is take two is a performance so yeah I I had a I called it the truth cam it was just a behind the scenes camera like a doc cam but the Mandate was simple mandate jeez am I even allowed to say it anymore the Mandate was simple you never stop rolling sorry whatever else happens here you know happens camera goes down plane flies over I I could always look to the truth Cam and tell the viewer what was happening in the moment and you used the word before if you're looking for authenticity you find it in those little moments and it's worth its weight in gold um part of the problem with um with what we're facing and I think it's happening to our children and if we keep paying people to stay home we're going to have more and more problems I think meaning has to change a lot of people get their meaning from their jobs I think it's why a lot of guys die after they not to retire so what where how do we find meaning and talk about the meaning of a job and the meaning beyond the job well on the long list of things we can't control is virtually everything on the short list of things we we can is is that like there's no you you can't find meaning in a job there's no meaning in a job there's a meaning in you and the thing to which you assign your meaningfulness is 100 in your control this is why we have wretched garbage men and happy garbage men and wretched Actuarial accountants and happy Actuarial accounts the job and wretched billionaires and happy billionaires correct there is nothing inherently transformational about a job Beyond its existence now if they don't exist then you don't have the opportunity to assign your meaning to a Pursuit and and that's tragedy right but in the wide world of work what we've done I think somewhat stupidly is is elevate certain jobs at the expense of other jobs it's precisely what we've done with education we've said look there's higher education and that's the thing we want to encourage people to do and then it's like there's this ellipses right because well if there's higher education ipso facto there must be no jobs yeah jobs but lower education yeah yeah right now we don't call it lower education we call it alternative right so maybe the four-year thing is not for you so we've got a lovely trade school over here for you or maybe this community college program right which seems like you're right it does seem like that's a consolation it's a vocational consolation prize these these safety third masks led to an apprenticeship program at a little company that was on the verge of closing in North Carolina and the woman Donna Brin who runs it went to the Community College hired four or five seamstresses taught the craft their whole business came back on its feet starting around these these goofy little masks as a fundraiser for my for my foundation so look elevating work celebrating work looking for opportunities in places where we're told that they might be subordinate it's important to do that that's why Dirty Jobs is still on the air nobody knows it because I never talk about it but the number of multi-millionaires on that show that we profiled oh I bet 40 maybe 50 I bet you just didn't know it because they were covered in crap or something worse right and so they didn't look like success so this is our fundamental problem you know if a good education can happen in a trench or throw an apprenticeship program or well then that is perceived as a threat to people who are trying to control what higher education ought to mean and then of course you just follow the money so so what is what are the secrets to success well there's no real shortcut in my view like the old Horatio Alger stuff and my Foundation talks a lot about it and I know I sound like an old wealthy white guy screaming from his porch at the kids I I don't mean to and I I try really hard not to go there but there's just no substitute you know delayed gratification a decent attitude a sense of humor why sense humor well because if you're not laughing as my pop said the joke's on you yeah okay right you I mean that was such an important part of Dirty Jobs it still is you know I didn't I don't I don't want to go to job sites where where there's no lightness doesn't matter how how Grim the work is or how difficult or how dangerous the vast majority of those sites that I've been to always have this element of camaraderie this Band of Brothers which is humor's neighbor right and so it was really important for me on that show to make sure that that we captured that in some way shape or form because I mean whatever version of success you have how can it not include Joy cheerfulness probably the most important Scout Law cheerful right so again that's that's in your control your work ethic is in your control the affirmative decision to show up early stay late take a bite of the crap sandwich when it comes around to you and laugh through it those are all choices so our work ethic scholarship program specifically looks for people who who have those traits those traits won't make you successful but I didn't go a long way I don't know any successful person who doesn't have them yeah you know absent some Lotto winners and trust fund babies that you know that doesn't count yeah uh let me let me take you uh two places first of all uh your favorite storyteller well I mean Paul Harvey Paul Harvey took risks he uh as you know he's a radio guy showed up every day in a suit and tie yeah yeah every day at his own office with just him that's right early really early typed his own stuff you know he and his boy developed the rest of the story yeah which inspired my podcast the way I heard it still does um you know Harvey studs turtle um oh gosh Donald blank CBS This Morning uh yeah yeah yeah on the road yeah yeah uh Corral Charles kuralt even George Plimpton you know Plimpton was a guy who wanted to experience the thing before he wrote about it which I admire a lot Carol was a guy who would rather take the back road than the highway which I admire a lot Paul Harvey was a guy who would tell you the end in the beginning which I thought was great he he was there's just nobody did you ever meet him no I never did but I'll tell you it's funny I got I had a fun conversation with his son you know because when I started my podcast I said look this is this is straight up inspired by Paul Harvey he called it the rest of the story I call it the way I heard it and I wanted to tell stories about people you knew but I wanted to share something you didn't know about them in that inside out way so it was his formula you know and uh the podcast went up and we were up for about a year and we were doing really great I mean it was killing it and um my partner Mary called me one day and she's like uh we got a uh got a FedEx here from Paul Harvey Jr you know I was dropped off and I'm like oh God it's gonna be it's an injunction it's a lawsuit it was a very generous check for my Foundation with a note that said my dad is looking down at this right now oh he's great he's loving it oh great I'm not a Sentimental fool I'm wary of all earnestness but I brought a tear to my eye you know because um the rest of the story was probably as much Paul Harvey Jr oh yes his dad oh yeah he pushed that thing forward oh yeah you know yeah sorry I made me think of my own dad and the things we had worked on and you know all the stuff we're talking about right now some days you think you're going to get sued and they send you a check some days you think you're getting a check uh let me let's end it on uh on this the two or three times that you thought you were going to be the host of The Daily Show yeah it was twice in in those days I was still masquerading as a host and and determined you know I I hadn't had my dirty jobs Epiphany in the sewer I was I was a good host and and this this audition came along and they saw everybody they auditioned over 15 000 people and oh my gosh in New in New York and L.A it was going to be a Big Show and yet still in the end they've ended up with Trevor Noah wow these are uncertain times um but back then in the late 90s you know I didn't know what it was I just knew that Comedy Central sounded like a fun place to work sure and The Daily Show sounded like a show that was on every day right so I'm thinking okay there's some job security and you know I can impersonate a news anchor and you know they're they're in on the joke I auditioned they called me back I went back again auditioned some more they called me back for a third time uh and I got the job they told me on a Friday congratulations come in Monday meet the writers so I was very excited I was living in New York and uh I had a great weekend celebrated all weekend went in Monday to meet the writers and there was just this one woman sitting in this room and she didn't look happy and I'm like is this Comedy Central she's like yes but here's here's what happened long story short um Doug hertzog who was running the place at the time really wanted Craig Kilbourne who was working at ESPN they wouldn't let him out of his contract but over the weekend they relented they hired Craig and that Glenn that that I mean rejection is important wow yeah and I was like man I could taste that one yeah so um but they called me and they said look you know you really you got something kid you know don't quit this you're good at this and we think our paths will cross again well son of a gun A year later old Craig Kilbourne gets the call winds up doing The Late Show at CBS I guess it was and um they call me back and they say look this job is basically yours we've looked at your tape from a year ago we'd like you to come in again meet the folks say hi so I did were you were you skeptical in the second time no that's not no no it was it was like look I mean I just thought there it is I thought it was Destiny well obviously this is right right I come in I meet everybody and oh the writers were so great and I met the director and I actually did a show it never aired but they said let's just sit down and have some fun and you know here's the prompter and maybe you can write some stuff and I I wrote a fun thing and it just I just crushed it it was one of those days when you go home you're like this is it you just know you did your best yeah it's like if you're at the bat you got every piece of it yeah you know it just Falls right so right and um as I was leaving Madeleine smithberg said to me she said look the only way this gig isn't yours is if this network if this her words cheap ass Network coughs up a few million dollars for the likes of Norm Macdonald or um oh who was the other guy uh Dennis Miller or Jon Stewart but that'll never happen he says that'll never happen it's actually great three days later John signed a formerly without a contract right do you think he'd even be considered now oh probably not I mean I'd be it wouldn't be funny you know to have a a third whack at the end I mean I I'm tempted I'm trying to think who I know over there that could give you a call and say well but Mike we've got we've got a game unless we can get anyone else here's the truth and this is probably a good place for me to land the plane um I don't think I'd take it you know if they offered and I don't say that because I think I'm above it or anything a Daily Show is a Priceless opportunity to to influence and to push the rock up the hill and to do whatever it is you want to do God bless Trevor Noah you know if he's having fun everybody's happy I think it's great never I mean I went from that rejection to working for Dick Clark where I learned some interesting things and then I had maybe 100 other jobs but it wasn't until the sewer in San Francisco when I realized I was a better guest and I was a host and it wasn't until the risk came together and the Stars lined up in Dirty Jobs got on the air and then off the air and then back on the air that's when my life changed that's when the foundation evolved that's when every good thing that's happened over the last 20 years that's when the dye was cast you know and so it's I haven't had the most glamorous career but I've you've had a great career I've I've had a terrific run and and I have a a very unusual business with a really unique set my best friend from high school is the producer on my podcast and is deeply embedded in my Foundation Mary who you know has been with me from the start that woman managing partner at a at a high-end law firm with a lot of clients she left to work with a guy who crawled through a sewer as a guest in order to build a business that ultimately let me sit here with you talking about safety third and various other Concepts that have allowed my Foundation to give away a million dollars every year for work ethic scholarships so yeah The Daily Show would have been great it would have gotten here not here Mike thanks anytime

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