Why I haven't yet taken the COVID VACCINE: A Scientific Debate on ANTIBODIES

hi everybody dr sunil dand internal medicine physician should i get the covid19 vaccine yes i'm asking that question as a doctor and i'm going to explain to you the unique situation that i'm in shortly and throw it open to a scientific debate uh but firstly right off the bat i know vaccines are an emotive issue for many people i am a doctor that recommends vaccinations to all of my patients routine vaccinations i'm a great reader of the history of medicine and when you read about what vaccinations have done over the centuries including for illnesses like smallpox it is truly remarkable smallpox has been completely eradicated used to ravage whole communities killed hundreds of millions of people over the centuries and we no longer have to worry about it traditionally what vaccines involve is injecting a small portion of a virus or inactivated portion of a virus into someone provoke an immune response so that next time they encounter the virus they don't get severe symptoms or ideally get no symptoms at all the covert 19 vaccine released in december has obviously been produced in record time we didn't have a choice we hadn't even heard of covid a couple of years ago and it's already been rolled out to millions of people i've been recommending it to my patients especially high-risk groups first and i have multiple family members including my parents who have received the vaccine i have not however received it yet and i'm on the fence let me explain to you what's happened so back in february of last year february 2020 i came down with what i thought was a mild respiratory viral infection at the time we didn't know that covid was among us this is the east coast of the usa and and no testing was available anyway so i recovered at home in a few days but i did have some unusual symptoms including a lingering dry cough and i was suspicious afterwards for a few weeks that it may have been covered i had a blood antibody serum test in may of 2020 which did return positive for igg and then i put two and two together and realized that i must have had covid then over the next few months i had several tests we had to as part of my job have finger prick tests for antibodies which are not as accurate but nevertheless they kept returning positive which did provide me with some reassurance then in december the vaccine was released and since then i continued to have those finger prick tests and still had antibodies finally i had another blood serum test and it's now the end of march 2021 and i had a test this week and i still have igg and this test was actually more quantified and i had a high level of antibody so here's a dilemma i'm in i've been learning science since i was in elementary school i've obviously since become a doctor i do not believe that if you have antibodies you need a vaccination for any illness thinking about how we practice medicine how i practice how every doctor per my understanding practices medicine in my clinic for example we test for antibodies all the time for illnesses like hepatitis a measles and if people have antibodies we never give them a vaccine i've made videos previously on many aspects of immunity and the covert 19 vaccine but i'd like to touch on a few points here the first point is that i'm not aware of any vaccine out there which will ever give you more immunity than if you're naturally recovered from the illness yourself and of course you don't want to have the illness but if you've naturally recovered from it my understanding as a doctor and therefore scientist is that those antibodies will always be better than a vaccine and if you know any differently please let me know the second issue relates to how long you should wait for after you have an illness to get the vaccine now the current recommendation from the cdc is to wait for 90 days so about three months and i'm not sure where this 90 day figure came from i think it may have been pulled out of thin air because there's not too much evidence out there there's not too much data for this number and again coming back to a logical question if we are suggesting that recovering from an illness the antibodies and immunity only last for 90 days then how could a vaccine possibly last any longer than 90 days do you follow the logic the other issue relates to asymptomatic spread and there's no evidence that having a vaccine ever prevents asymptomatic spread of an illness if you have the vaccine and it works a vaccine for any illness then it will stop you from getting symptoms but theoretically you could be carrying a few virus particles in your nose and pass it on to somebody else from a clinical perspective my concern is that if you already have antibodies and you have a vaccination it could provoke what we call a hyper immune response and they there have been case reports of this now i'm somebody who tries to eat healthy i work out every day i'm relatively young i'm exactly the type of demographic if you read the case reports that is prone to a hyper immune response and remember in medicine our motto is do no harm there are some people out there that i've encountered who say oh just take the vaccine it's far easier just have the shot and that doesn't sit well with me as a doctor and a scientist i practice internal and lifestyle medicine i'm all about prevention i value my body i value anybody's body and i'm never in favor of any intervention whether it's a medicine or an injection that is not needed but as of now it's the end of march 2021 i feel like i'm being backed into a corner here because there are news reports and you've probably seen these as well that very soon they're going to introduce vaccine passports in order to be able to do everyday things and i'm somebody who loves to travel i like restaurants i like bars and if we have to show a vaccine pass in order to get into these places or travel then i'm going to have to logistically and practically consider what to do and so far i've read about all of the vaccines if it comes to me having to take a vaccine i'll probably go for the johnson and johnson one as opposed to the pfizer or moderna vaccines which are two shots that johnson and johnson is one shot only and it's also not an mrna vaccine that's what i'm thinking now i'm not sure i'll probably make a video about this if and when the time comes i believe that there could be thousands if not millions of people who are in my situation and i do believe that having antibodies should be the equivalent if the time comes for a vaccine pass if you have antibodies that should be considered the same as having a vaccine and this is just me i can't emphasize this point enough i'm not talking about everyone here i am as i said recommending the vaccine to high-risk groups but it's important to be protected if you have antibodies you should according to all the science that i'm aware of be protected and medicine is not a arbitrary science i never believe in rules for everybody medicine especially is a case-by-case science and there's often more gray in medicine than black and white and i believe in individualized medicine and nobody knows all of the answers whether it's me anyone else who claims to be an expert or even dr fauci himself medicine and science is constantly evolving and we're learning more all the time and aside from everything else i've mentioned from a purely humanitarian standpoint it makes more sense that somebody else gets a vaccine first ahead of me anyway if i already have antibodies and that would apply to most people who have already recovered from covid so i'm open for debate here let's talk about this especially if you are medically trained or have any science background let me know what your thoughts are would you get the vaccine if you were me let's discuss this thanks for listening dr sunil dan follow me on med stoic lifestyle medicine facebook and youtube we will speak again next time you

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Length: 7min 53sec (473 seconds)

Published: Tue Mar 30 2021

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[u/Followingprotochomo]

The doctor says he recommends the vaccine to at risk populations however, here is what he says in the video. Please watch though, I learned so much. It was very informative.

The doctor hasn’t taken the anti body test because he has tested positive every month since when he believed to have covid. For months straight he kept testing positive and overtime even showed a higher quantity of antibodies. Then he calls out the CDC.

“If you have naturally recovered from an illness from my understanding as a doctor and scientist, those antibodies will always be better than the vaccine”.

He claims that the CDC reports that if you have recovered from a virus you shouldn’t get a vaccine until 90 days after. He claims this was pulled out of thin air. There isn’t much evidence or data for this.

“We must ask ourselves a logical question. If we are suggesting that recovering from an illness the antibodies and immunity last for 90 days, then how could a vaccine possibly last any longer than 90 days”.

Another issue he has with it is asymptomatic spread. “There is no evidence that having a vaccine EVER prevents asymptomatic spread of an illness, if you have a vaccine and it works for any illness then it will stop you from experiencing symptoms but you can still have some particles to you”

He goes on to explain that there is a problem occurring where antibodies are present and people are receiving the vaccine so this could provoke a hyper immune response”. Because of the covid 19 vaccinations, we have seen cases of hyper immune responses. He says people like himself who are healthy, workout everyday, young, are the demographic that HIS and this type of demographic is even more include to a hyper immune response.

He says his motto as a doctor and in medicine is “do no harm”. He said “there are people that I have encountered who say ‘just take the vaccine, it’s far easier to have just the shot AND that doesn’t sit well with me as a DOCTOR AND A SCIENTIST, I am an internal life medicine, I practice all about intervention. I value my body. I value anyone’s body. I am NEVER in favor of any intervention of medicine or injection that is NOT needed”.

“I feel like I am being backed into a corner here because there are news reports that very soon they are going to implement vaccine passports to do anything, everyday things and I’m somebody who loves to travel, I love restaurants, and if we have to show a vaccine passport in order to get into these places or travel then I am going to have to LOGISTICALLY AND PRACTICALLY Figure out what to do”.

He says if he had to he’d go for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine as opposed to M or P. He thinks if the time comes to have a vaccine passport that showing proof of antibodies should be equivalent to receiving the vaccine.

“Medicine is not an arbitrary science, I never believe in rules for everybody, medicine especially is a case by case science and is often more grey in medicine than black and white. And I believe in individualized medicine. And NOBODY knows all of the answers whether it be more or anyone else who CLAIMS to be an expert like Fauci himself. Medicine and science is constantly evolving and we’re learning”.

[u/Pav94an]

Yep I saw this video a few days ago, very well put