Why Heat Pumps are Immensely Important Right Now

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👍︎︎ 51 👤︎︎ u/erikannen 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

One thing that heat pumps could also potentially be used for is pool heaters. In the summer, the air cooled condenser could theoretically be bypassed to a water cooled condenser. Pool water could be pumped through the condenser and the waste heat can be used to heat the pool. Then the house will be cooled much more efficiently, and the pool will rely less on a resistive pool heater

👍︎︎ 33 👤︎︎ u/bunifajackson 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

Being an HVAC enginerd, when my homes old heat pump kicked the bucket last year, I splurged and installed a 4ton inverter heat pump with a ducted air handler and have not looked back, to be able to get reliable heat, without resistive electric, at 9 degrees outside is the best feeling and my electric bill agrees!

The prior year in January my electric bill was $389 and this year it was $230.

Heat pumps for commercial buildings are also of great benefit. I oversee a total of over 400 water source heat pumps in hotels I oversee. They are super efficient and use cooling towers and boilers to make up and reject heat. Pretty cool stuff. 🧊

👍︎︎ 64 👤︎︎ u/going410thewin 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

I spent the little extra for a heat pump dryer and it's insanely cheap to run. And the cost to run a vent for a standard one would have wiped out the cost savings anyways.

👍︎︎ 15 👤︎︎ u/PrpleMnkyDshwsher 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

I got a heat pump last year (used with an underfloor system) and plan to program it to use your thermal battery strategy when my rates are lower overnight. Each room has a thermostat that controls a valve for the underfloor system for that room, providing an extra degree of fine tuning room to room.

The system also does domestic hot water heating as well as cooling in the summer. The humidity here isn’t bad so I can combine the underfloor cooling with strategic window opening and the house stays pleasantly cool for minimal cost.

There is very little information about air to water heat pump cooling and actually quite a bit of misinformation about condensation on floors that I have not found accurate with my setup and I do not need to employ any active de-humidification.

One thing I’ve changed for both heating and cooling is to set the system to use the “inlet” temp to determine when to cycle on and off, meaning that instead of saying the water leaving the unit should be 40c for example, I tell the system that the water returning into the system should be 30c, so it adjusts the heating or cooling temperature to reach that desired water inlet temp and also will shut off the system if it reaches that temp, versus continuing to pump out exactly the temp you specify. This is particularly useful this time of year when it still gets cold in the evenings but during the day can get pretty warm.

As you said, u/TechConnectify, this tech exists today and is now viable even in colder climates.

Edit: I live in Europe and have previously had resistive heat, an older thermal pump, wall-mounted air conditioning and wood burning systems. In the US, I had only ever had gas furnace + electric forced-air AC.

👍︎︎ 22 👤︎︎ u/hbendavid 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

Anyone have suggestions of where to go for a heat pump in SW suburbs area (of Chicago)? I got a quote for a furnace the other day and asked about a heat pump and the guy basically said they don't do those anymore

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/Geshman 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies

I have kind of a personal experience that this explanation helped… Explain. Our heat pump has an electric back up that kicks in if the temperature is more than 2° below what the thermostat is set for, so we take vigorous efforts to make sure that, such as in cases where the system got turned off for some reason, that condition is never met, cuz WOOHOO did that make the electric meter spin! Yeah, electric resistive heaters work, but only use as needed😅

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/JaywrightCat 📅︎︎ Mar 27 2022 🗫︎ replies

If we get a fourth video, I'd really like to see a good explanation of variable speed (aka brushless or DC) compressor motors in heat pumps. It's really the biggest improvement in heat pumps, since their invention. Manufacturers aren't very clear on what models it exists in, or how much better they are. Running the heat pump at full bore, when the temperature difference is minor, is hugely inefficient. Two speed motors (oddly often called two stage) are an improvement over single-speed motors, but taken to the extreme, variable speed is a much, much better improvement.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/Who_GNU 📅︎︎ Mar 27 2022 🗫︎ replies

I’m looking at you, Germany.

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/V8-6-4 📅︎︎ Mar 26 2022 🗫︎ replies
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Hi. It’s no secret that I love heat pumps. Making a substance liquify in one place and vaporize in another on our command to move heat feels like a physics cheat code. We’ve been doing it for a very long time in refrigerators  and air conditioners, and we’re finally starting to collectively realize the benefits of doing it backwards. And, thanks to the very unfortunate global happenings, the need to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels has found new and different urgency. The world seems increasingly  in agreement that it’s time for more pumping more now. And the world is absolutely right about that! In this video, I’d like to explain why. Real quick, you may have realized that I have  already made a video— as a matter of fact two —on the subject of heat pumps. So what’s this one for? Well, heat pumps are at the top of a lot of folks’ minds right now but also, you see, that second video? I’m not really happy with it. Largely because I ignored the developments that are happening and indeed have already happened in the air-source heat pump space, and I touted the much, MUCH harder  to build ground-source heat pump as “the future.” Now, to be clear, if you are in a very cold  place and have the ability to invest in a geothermal heat pump system, I still think you should consider it. And by the way if you want to know what that is, well check out the link below. But even in pretty cold climates like mine, effective air-source heat pumps are available  today which will reduce the total amount of fuel required to heat your home over a year — even with today’s electric grid. That’s good from an emissions standpoint, yes,   but it also means more simply that we need  less fuel for heating our living spaces.   And that means we don’t need to obtain as much  of it from places we may not want to. Simply put, in a world where heat pumps exist — which is this one right now! — it actually makes more sense to burn natural gas in a power plant to generate electricity than it does to pipe that gas into homes and businesses to be burned on-site for heat. I know, pretty wild, right? Let’s talk about why that is. Since this more of a heat pump update, or heat pumpdate, I’m not going to go into how heat pumps actually work - check out the original video if you’d like to understand that. It is pretty cool, and pretty hot. But I will go over the COP again  because it’s what really matters - and why they’re so important. The coefficient of performance is  a number that expresses how much heat energy a heating device produces compared to how much  electrical energy it consumes in the process. Resistive electric heat — the ordinary kind you find in toasters, space heaters, hair dryers, and whatnot — has a COP of 1. That means every 1 kilowatt of power consumed becomes 1 kilowatt of heat output. Turning electrical energy into heat is 100% efficient, so every single watt of power that this heater  is consuming is ending up in the room as heat. That’s not bad, but a wrinkle there is  that electricity *generation* is A) not 100% efficient and B) somewhat scarce. Let’s start with efficiency - a modern power plant that burns natural gas is, after transmission losses, about 40% efficient. Note that I’m deliberately talking only about natural gas plants - you’ll understand why as we go on. If you burn natural gas at a rate of 10 megawatts, a power plant will only produce  4 megawatts of electricity from it. While that would get turned into about 4 megawatts of heat if  it was run through a few thousand space heaters, we could turn that into more than 9 megawatts  of heat if we piped that gas into buildings and burned it locally in boilers or furnaces. As I explored in my video on furnaces, we know how to get nearly all of a fuel’s heat  energy out of it in a safe, effective fashion. So… in many parts of the world that’s exactly  what we do. Burning fuel on-site has been until pretty recently the most rational way to use that resource for the purpose of space heating. The other problem with electric heat a la toasters is that there is only so much grid capacity to go around. It takes a lot of energy to heat a building - heating buildings is among  the most energy-intensive things we do. And in many areas the electric grid just isn’t big enough  to switch everyone over to simple electric heat.   And it’s not because we couldn’t build it to do so, to be clear. It’s just that, except in areas with access to abundant and stable renewable energy like hydroelectric power, it has traditionally been much more expensive and resource intensive to heat with electricity because of the efficiency challenges in fossil-fuel power plants. The electric infrastructure in areas like where I live just isn't expected to produce as much much energy in winter months because electricity demand has historically fallen when air conditioners stop running and furnaces fire up. But, thanks to heat pumps, we can largely sidestep  both of those challenges altogether. When it comes to the need for electricity generation, since heat pumps aren’t converting electrical energy into heat but are instead using it to drive a  refrigeration circuit which moves heat indoors, they have coefficients of performance that are greater than 1. Simply put, they produce more useful heat with the same  electricity than a simple electric heater does. Sometimes, more than 5 times as much. This means that although heat pumps will put more demand on the electric grid in places that currently use gas for heating, they require a fraction of the energy of resistive heat and so make electrification much more feasible in those parts of the world. That’s definitely good, but here’s where  things get even better. Dare I say, mind-blowing. Remember that we can pipe  natural gas into a building and burn it there, as we’ve been doing for decades, and we can capture perhaps 95% of its energy as heat. But if instead of doing that we burned  it in a power plant to make electricity, heat pumps will work their magic. We may only get 40% of the gas’s energy turned into electricity, but when you use it to run a heat pump operating  with a COP of 5, in the end you’re effectively operating at 200% efficiency. That’s a 100% bonus compared to burning the gas in a furnace or boiler with perfect efficiency. Literally more energy than the gas itself contains ends up getting put into buildings when you use it this way, and that’s nothing short of amazing! Of course, as I’m sure certain curmudgeons  are shouting loudly at their screens,   I need to tell you that heat pumps don’t always work that well. But, they only need to operate with a COP of 2.5 to break even with on-site fuel combustion. That turns the 40% captured in a natural gas power plant right back into 100% - eking out even the most efficient furnaces.   And, here’s why this video’s happening, that is actually very, very attainable. Today. With simple air source heat pumps. Even in cold climates. Various manufacturers are now producing ductless cold-climate mini-split heat pumps that manage that COP or better down to -15 degrees Celsius, or 5 Fahrenheit. They’re also able to maintain their full rated output at that temperature, though with reduced efficiency compared to milder weather. For the purposes of this video I’m only  focusing on published data for certain models,   and I will freely admit that these models  are state-of-the-art and, for the moment, exceptionally efficient. But it’s important to remember that these are machines for sale right now, not some theoretical future devices. And they are no more disruptive to install than an air conditioner. The technology is here. Now. We know how to build it, and if we had any sense we’d start doing that as fast as we can. But I’m getting a little bit ahead of myself. I live in the Chicago area, and we love to tell  you just how brutally cold our winters can get.   And yes, I know there are places that get colder than here. Much colder. But we are definitely one of those places where the conventional wisdom says heat pumps don’t work. Many, many people think it’s just too cold here to  bother installing a heat pump, and so that pretty much never happens. It does get quite cold for some stretch of every winter - a few years ago we had a 48 hour period where the actual air temperature didn’t get above -10° F, which is about -23° C. For much of that time, it was warmer  in your freezer than it was outside! But, and very importantly, that’s far from ordinary. It sticks out in our minds because it hurts to go outside on those days, but if we actually look at historical data for the winter of 2018 into 2019, here’s what we find. In the month of November, we didn’t get anywhere close to 5° Fahrenheit. And remember, it needs to be colder than that for  a furnace to beat a good heat pump. In December, the closest we got was 16°. In January... things got worse, we spent 2 nights below 5 ° in the third week, and then that lovely polar vortex hit and things got particularly rough. Almost the entire last week of January had evenings  below 5 degrees, and then… well… this wasn’t fun. But actually? That was… kinda it. Only three days in February, the 1st, 8th, and 9th, landed at or below 5 degrees. In March we had two more days at  the start that dipped below 5, but then by April we’re essentially out of the woods of Winter so, yeah, nothing close to that cold was experienced. So, for the entire winter season that year, there were only 14 days where a conventional furnace would have outperformed a heat pump - when it comes to the amount of fuel needed to produce the same amount of heat. And for most of those days, it still got above 5 degrees during at least part of the day. In fact there were only two days the entire year where that didn’t happen. Three if you count the 25th of January  where we just barely hit 5. Actually, why stop there? We’ve got hourly data, too, how many hours were we below 5 that year? By my count it was 141 hours, or not quite 6 entire days. So, there were only 6 days of the entire winter season in which, when it comes to the amount of energy natural gas contains, a furnace made more sense than a heat pump running  on electricity produced with that natural gas. That’s… astounding! Are we willing to say that heat pumps don’t work in Chicago because for six days of the winter we’d have been better off with a furnace? Well I hope not because that’s ludicrous. You’d literally be saying “Well, we shouldn’t with this technology which can reduce our use of energy for 144 days of the five-month heating season because SOMETIMES it can’t do that.” Listen to that. It’s ridiculous! “But sometimes…” Yeah, sometimes life is hard, and new solutions bring new challenges. But let’s keep it big picture, alright? Let’s look at some other years, too. I’m just gonna look at days, though, finding the total hours is a bit of a pain. The previous winter had 13 days where the temperature dipped below 5 at some point. The year before that had only 9. And 2015 into 2016 had only 8. Jumping forward, 2019 into 2020 had but 2, though some days did just hit 5 degrees. 2020 into 2021 experienced 8 days with a low below 5 degrees, all in February incidentally. And the winter we’re just clawing our way out of now had only 5 days. Though, it’s not impossible  for there to be another one before May rolls around. Now, it’s important to note a couple of things. First, I’m not talking about the monetary cost of  delivered energy here. I do need to make that clear - the cost of electricity in  your area compared to that of natural gas   makes cost comparisons a hyper-local exercise. Although, recent volatility sure makes this a fluid situation, and suggests that maybe  we ought to diversify our energy portfolios, which the electric grid is particularly suited  to do by the way, in case you hadn’t noticed. But this is a wrinkle to heat pump adoption that we should probably figure a way around. If it’s more expensive to use the option that saves energy... that’s a problem. And second, I do need to acknowledge that those periods of time where heat pumps can’t get to natural gas parity are  also when heating demand is greatest.   So while I can say that there were only 141 hours  in which a furnace would have used fewer resources than a state-of-the-art air-source heat pump in the 2018-2019 Chicago winter season [inhales] that’s incomplete. We’d need to normalize things by weighting that  time more heavily if we want to get a more complete answer. But I’m not gonna do that for  you because I do not possess the expertise. However, it is factually the case that right now,   today, BTU for BTU, therm for therm, cubic meter for cubic meter, kilowatt-hour for kilowatt-hour, we can heat more homes and businesses by burning  gas in power plants and using that energy to run simple air-source heat pumps than we can by piping that gas to those places and burning it locally for the vast majority of the winter. So long as we are going to use natural gas, that is full stop the smarter way to use it most of the time. And most of the time is what actually matters, folks. There are also some other marginal benefits to this. In places that have district heating infrastructure, the waste heat from those power  plants could be used to heat buildings nearby. We have very little of that in the US so, ya know... yay, but methane itself is a really potent greenhouse gas and leaks in the infrastructure are problematic. The fact that we have pipes filled with it everywhere around here and there are countless fittings, junctions, valves, pumping stations, and who knows what else means we have a lot of potential for leaks. Eliminating that infrastructure, or at least reducing its use, can reduce those impacts of natural gas as well. Of course, and for the long-term most importantly, being electric, a heat pump is energy agnostic. It doesn’t have to be powered by natural gas, it can be powered by the sun, by the wind, or by the atom. And since they use any of those resources  much more efficiently than resistive heating does, they allow us to electrify many more homes  and businesses with today’s grid output, and reduce the need for the grid to grow as  more and more places ditch gas altogether. Heat pumps are incredibly important not just  for their immediate ability to curb gas use,   but for their long-term sustainability. Now, I do want to answer a question I’m sure many  of you are asking: what happens on those *really* cold days? Well, that depends. Many units now guarantee operation down to -13°F which is -25°C, but they won’t attain their full output and will  have a poor COP at that temp. Still generally better than 1, though, so it still makes sense  to run over resistive heat. If that’s about the coldest temperature you ever experience, you may not need a backup at all assuming your home is insulated well enough. But, having some sort of backup may be required depending on where you are. If you have a centrally ducted system this can be  auxiliary, high-powered electric heating elements   often known as heat strips which are placed in  the air handler. Or you could be pairing a heat pump up with a gas furnace if you so desire. The backup can be as simple as a few space heaters, which might be ideal if you’ve chosen a ductless system, although they’re not very efficient and can be dangerous if not properly used. It should also be noted that simply bundling up and choosing to tolerate cooler indoor temperatures during those periods is also an option. The thing to keep in mind about these  backups, though, is that they are needed only in exceptional cases. And because modern heat pumps will operate down to -25°C, or -13°F those cases can be quite rare. Going back to that 2018-2019 winter season, here around Chicago we were below that temperature for about 32 hours total, all consecutive during that polar vortex event. This past winter, it never got that cold. Again, I know we’re talking about what are today  exceptionally good heat pumps. Plenty are on the market that don’t perform that well, and won’t perform at all at those cold temps. But there are tons of places with much milder heating needs than here, and in those places the more average-performing models will be great fits. That’s why they’re pretty common already in the southern US. And let’s not forget - we’re probably only  going to get better at building heat pumps as time goes on. In fact, of that I am certain. I’ll be surprised if in 10 years from now, a COP of 2.5 isn’t maintained down to truly arctic temps. And also, I do just want to note that every home I’ve lived in so far has had a single point of failure when it comes to the heating system. When the furnace has stopped working, which it  has, the space heaters come out until it’s fixed. Maybe don’t fixate on the whole backup situation all that much, is what I’m saying. OK, so I hope we’re in agreement that heat pumps are amazing devices   and reduce our need for literally any source of  energy in all but the most extreme temperatures.   And to reiterate, that not only means we can  burn less gas as we transition away from it,   but also means we need fewer wind turbines, solar farms, nuclear plants, batteries, hydro storage facilities... literally whatever because reducing the amount of energy we need to heat buildings reduces the need for all those things and so  makes transitioning to an all-electric future much, much easier. I say again, with vigor; More pumping. More now. But what does that future look like? Well, that is in many ways up to you. Air-source heat pumps are really just slightly  refined air conditioners, and they come in all sorts of shapes, sizes, and applications - some of which are really exciting! However, we also have many challenges we need to overcome— some real, and some artificial. But this video’s gone on pretty long as it is. I hope you enjoyed this new part 2? Part 2.5? of my heat pump series, and in part three we’ll talk about what it  takes to install a heat pump - both literally, as in, like, what the parts are, where  they go, and how they connect together. And a look at why the process can be so hard - and what we need to do to fix that. ♫ importantly smooth jazz ♫ and air conditioners, and we're finally starting to collectively realize... hoo I'm out of breath! So... what's this one for. Well, heat pumps are at the t.... [haughhghhg noises] Largely because I ignored the developments that are already... whoops. That have happened! [inhales]. Hi. Hi. Hang on a second. My eyes are playing tricks on me. Which is this one. Right now. It actuallya mae.... I'm not gonna do that for you because I don't porsess... Oh crud. Porsess? I don't porsess the exportise? So, more pumping more now, amirite? Seriously, this is probably the single most impactful thing we could be doing in the immediate future for *so* many reasons and in *so* many ways. Manufacturers need to get cranking, and as we'll see in Part 3... American manufacturers in particular need to learn how to make a decent heat pump. They're really... quite mediocre at the moment.
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