Which Ryzen 7 Should You Buy? — 1700x / 2700x / 3800x — 48 Benchmarks

hello and welcome to tech deals how much faster is the third generation of Rison versus the first in second gen is it really not much better is it worth upgrading today we're gonna answer those questions and more as we compare the rise in seven 1700 X 2700 X and the top of the line at 3,800 x8 core 16 thread CPUs from AMD when AMD launched risin 7 back in March of 2017 I said at the time it was the most important cpu launch in ten years it brought AMD back into the competitive fold it kicked intel off their perch and got them moving and it enabled eight core 16 thread CP used to be available to consumers at a reasonable price for the first time it brought content creation and multi-threaded performance to a whole new price point that previously was simply unavailable it did not deter own Intel in the gaming department or frankly the super high performance department but it came pretty close for the average consumer Xen to closes that gap even further it still has not death round intel completely but it's getting real close the idea today is to look at how far rising has come in the past two and a half years since it first launched back in March of 2017 is it worth upgrading from a first or a second gen rise in CPU to third gen all of our CPUs today were tested at stock settings no changes in the bios to any performance options other than turning XMP on for our RAM were used our test bench is the assess Rock Strix x4 70 - eff motherboard we're using a 470 board because it's the only platform that supports all three generations of chips you cannot put a 1700 X on an X 570 board we have 16 gigabytes of ddr4 3200 CL 16 Ram as I mentioned before XMP was turned on in the BIOS our CPU is being cooled with this very nice scythe Mugen 5 120 millimeter CPU cooler and MSI Afterburner was used to provide the game performance benchmarks and the real-time numbers you're about to see in just a minute no performance was lost for recording these benchmarks because I used an external hardware capture card in a second computer the test bench didn't even know it was being recorded I will have more thoughts and a follow-up after the benchmarks but for now I just want to remind all of you that links to everything you see here on the desk will be down in the video too caption below to Amazon and Newegg those are affiliate links they support the channel at no extra cost to you I do get sent some product samples the risin 7 1700 X was provided by AMD but the 2700 X M 3800 X were not I had to buy those the video card was generously sampled by gigabyte appreciate that and the cooler was provided by scythe the first one I've used the motherboard and the rest of the components including the RAM on here I also had to buy C your support was shopping using those links is greatly appreciated and with that being said on with benchmarks for our first benchmark we have this generations crisis Assassin's Creed Odyssey 1080p high detail and there's actually several very interesting things you can pull from just watching this built-in benchmark take a look at the power consumption numbers at how much more power the 2700 X uses over the 1700 X but how much less power the 3800 X uses probably due to the fact that it's 7 nanometre and a more efficient design but I do think that that's an interesting detail that showed up that is harder to notice when you're not watching all three at the same time clock speed wise the 3,800 X is faster but notice the framerate doesn't seem to be much improved even though it's using more of the graphics card I ran this and reran it and I went back and looked at it it went huh that's interesting but that's how it turned out I've got some more for you here but I thought that was interesting despite a higher clock speed the higher GPU utilization it didn't really make much of a difference the 1700 X is of course the slowest but that should surprise nobody 62 frames per second average on the 1700 X 72 on the 2700 X and yeah 72 on the 3,800 X that was weird I'm not showing you the 0.1% low here because frankly it's weird this benchmark is one of those benchmarks that doesn't show that properly you run it you run it again you run it a third time you run it five times and you get completely inconsistent unpredictable results so I simply left it off because it's useless it just doesn't tell you anything so I left that off here I'll show it to you on some of the other benchmarks but the 1% low is pretty reasonable call of duty black ops for 1080p high detail all three runs on the same map in the same mode so these should be fairly consistent and fairly easy to compare this is the nuketown map now of course the faster processors are shockingly enough faster and by more than you might think I played a full battle multiple rounds here on each of these benchmark the entire run I'm not going to include the 0.1% lows because deaths and respawns ruin those they were all over the place so we're just gonna have the 1% lows here and frankly it was smooth and playable across all three processors take a look at the frame rate in real time the graphics card utilization in real time and the CPU utilization in real time now you cannot compare frame by frame I gotta leave these up here for a few seconds for you to watch because you cannot compare them because it's a live-action game but this is not a benchmark where every frame is identical you're em in different places there's different shooting and blasting going on and so it's an accumulative total and that's true of all of the live game plays but if you watch the trends overall you will find that the usage on the 35 3800 X is higher because the CPU is faster and so the graphics card is being utilized more and the frame rate is higher although as I'm saying this the 2,700 X was actually faster in that moment but now the 1300 X is passed again you have to sort of you kind of would have to watch the whole battle to really sort of get a trend line but this is what the charts are for and speaking of charts 103 frames per second average on the 1700 X 122 on the 2700 X and 150 on the 3800 X now the one percent low numbers were not dramatically different those were all grouped very very tightly but that 3800 X is legit straight up monstrously faster than the first generation chip by nearly 50 frames per second that's a result next up we have Counter Strike global Offensive which frankly to be completely honest does not need an eight-core 16 thread chip but this also shows you the performance difference between first second and third generation Rison whether you're looking at risin 7 or rise in 5 or well frankly rise in 3 when they eventually release a risin 3 is into CPU the usage is fairly low but the frame rates are very high this is 1080p high detail and of course if you want more you can lower it and if you want less you can raise it but there is a legit performance difference between DCP users you could watch from the real time numbers here now each of these will benchmarked for about 10 minutes or so which I'm not going to show you all of and do keep in mind that every time the round starts and whatnot that there's a little bit of a delay but I am going to include the point one percent lows here because they were actually fairly consistent as I was testing 204 frames per second average on the 1700 X to 44 on the 2700 X and 283 on the 3800 X now those are all interesting but personally what I find much more interesting are the 1% in point one percent lows one seventeen to one ninety one on the one percent lows now these were all done on the same map on the same configuration the same everything except for the CPUs that is a monster difference in 1% lows take a look at the point one percent lows thirty-nine to fifty eight to ninety seven Zen to is amazing you absolutely don't have to have Zen to if you just want to play games but it is faster it is more responsive it does have better latency and if you're a competitive gamer and you're looking at AMD Zen 2 is pretty awesome although to be blunt it Rison 5 3600 is really all you need for a game like this moving on to a much more demanding game the full price DLC for Far Cry 5 Far Cry new dawn performance-wise this is much closer than some of the other benchmarks here it's a heavily graphics card bound test although interestingly enough if you look at the graphics card usage you'll notice that the graphics cards are actually not pushed to their limit game engine benchmark engine limit sometimes games just don't take advantage above all available resources notice that all of the CPUs are right around 25% used 8 cores 16 threads is basically 25% four cores so it's simply not using all the cores and threads in the actual game when you're running around and doing stuff it'll use a little bit more some benchmarks are more CPU bound than others this benchmark honestly is a better graphics card test and it is a CPU test because it's really not stressing the CPUs the way the the actual game itself can I include it because it's fairly quick to run and I use it a lot of videos so it's a nice comparison and I just wouldn't put as much weight in this one as I would in others for a CPU comparison eighty-three frames per second on a 1700 X 90 420 700 X and 105 on a 3,800 X to be sure with more graphics card you potentially could see more of a difference there especially if your 1440p or high frame rates are really important to you but it's fairly consistent across the board the same thing on the one percent and point one percent Louis this is a very steady very dependable benchmark that doesn't vary all over the place like some others assassin's creed Odyssey looking at you moving on to everybody's favorite battle royale game fortnight now this is another game that's very difficult to benchmark because the battle is always going to be different where you land who you face how much combat you get into I am NOT playing solo battles I'm playing team Rumble and the reason for that is the respawn so it lets you get back in and have a decent length battle with the pure Battle Royale it's just over too quickly and there's nothing to benchmark the downside of course is there's resource collecting and then the map closes in and sometimes you have a great team and you're just dominating and other times you're just getting slaughtered left and right so it is challenging to benchmark however I did record the entire game and I did benchmark the entire game on all of them so when you look at the charts it is what it is for the battle it's actually kind of interesting and how it turned out but we'll look at that in a second the frame rates are all crazy if you look at the real-time performance numbers on the screen you might very well come to the conclusion holy smokes these are all spectacular what's the difference what's the big deal well there isn't much of one at least in what you're watching but it becomes bigger when you look at the total result and similar to Counter Strike global Offensive if you are a serious serious competitive player I think the end result will have meaning for some of you but it won't if you're just a casual player and don't care 166 frames per second on the 1700 X 165 on the 27 wait what again live battle if you'd swap the battles around and swap the chips around I'm sure the results would have been been split it's just how it worked out however what is not odd is the fact that the 3800 X is at 207 average which is fast and faster and it's nice but again just like csgo by far the most interesting result is the one percent end point one percent lows 87 and 82 on the basically Zen and Zen plus versus 135 on the 3800 xn2 way down in the 17 and 18 range on Zen and Zen plus versus 59 on Zen - again these were full battles team Rumble same map tested back-to-back on the same system if you're into competitive play if frame rate delivery and frame pacing and lag and input responsiveness are important Zen twos awesome Ghost Recon breakpoint the brand new critically acclaimed awesome open-world game that everyone loves ok maybe not quite I love it I know there's a lot of people out there who weren't happy with this but I certainly was I am 35 almost 40 hours into this now and frankly I'm enjoying it I do have enough time in the game now to be able to tell you a couple of things number one 8 cores rocks it does run fine on 6 cores it is smoother on 8 I should do a video about that but well take my word for it because I've played it on both and it definitely is smoother on a course in fact you can see especially on the 2700 X and 3,800 X how it does jump up to 50% at times it depends upon where you're at the game and what you're doing but it does use all eight cores remember 50% is 8 cores above that is hyper threading or SMT since it's not Intel who cares in any case the performance difference between these CPUs is not huge it's there and it's real but the more interesting ones are the 1% and point one percent lows rather than just the averages 1080p high detail 77 87 94 between the three chips that's not a huge difference in frankly 77 is very playable on a 1,700 X however the 1% and point one percent lows of work it's interesting the 2700 X is find it has improved latency and improved responsiveness the higher clock speed helps and I would certainly take it over a 1700 X however notice that even the 3800 X didn't maintain 60 frames per second at 1080 P high detail but it was really really close on its 0.1% low number having played this game on a variety of machines it's a good example of how you can look at benchmarks of games that are 1 to 3 years old and say who needs all this new stuff just buy something basic but if you want to play new games like Ghost Recon breakpoint over the next three years you're gonna find the first generation chips and especially chips with fewer cores really aren't going to age very well going forward if you don't care about these sorts of games well then that doesn't matter now we have overwatch and the screen might look a little bit different here and that's because for whatever reason my recording on the 2700 X was corrupted and going and setting the testbench up again to re-record it Andry benchmark it would be frankly a lot of work so forgive me but I'm just not including it I do have the number because it was actually benchmarked on the test bench and I I keep all of the benchmarks in a file separate from the recording so while I don't have the recording the benchmark chart will have the number from the 2,700 X notice the dramatic performance difference between the 1700 X and the 3,800 X this is not just a minor improvement oh look we're 10% faster oh we're 20% faster it's nice holy smokes that's a huge difference and it really is now of course the numbers are so big that you may be going who cares who needs 250 to 300 frames per second what difference does it make fair enough it may mean nothing to you you may look at these numbers and go great first gen rise in deal and there's nothing wrong with that but again just like fortnight and see us go if you are a hyper-competitive player and you want the fastest response times in the best performance and frankly you don't want to give your money to Intel because let's face it they win that battle generally then Zen 2 is a really really good option 186 frames per second on the 1700 X to 6 ceefor on the 3,800 acts that is a huge performance improvement for just two generations in just two years apart look at the one-percent lows 118 to 166 now again 118 is spectacular and amazing and if you are not a super hyper competitive ultimate professional elite competitive whatever player then you're like oh who cares 118 spectacular I agree with you I would have no problem whatsoever playing this on a first-gen risin I'm not a hyper competitive player but if you are 166 99% of the time is phenomenal and again well the 0.1% lows are pretty low but hey 32 beats the heck out of nine and eleven shadow of the Tomb Raider now just like Ghost Recon break point this is another in the next generation of games that will absolutely use an eight-core processor not all the time it's not required if I absolutely plan less but it will use it and this game is a year old so I won't rehash that argument but it's there I'm just gonna show you the first segment of this benchmark because this video is plenty long as it is now but I want you to see the real-time numbers on the screen in these recordings if you were just looking at benchmark charts that's what websites are for go go you don't need to come to YouTube just to see a benchmark chart but this real-time information on the performance here is what I think is truly valuable notice this is one of the few games that truly utilizes all of the graphics card 112 120 and 130 on the average interestingly enough the 1% 0.1% low numbers are a bit off but again these are built in benchmarks and they could be kind of squirrely which is why I didn't include the point one percent low in some of them regardless it performs very well across all of these more graphics card would actually split them and cause the 3800 X to run better you saw it was running kind of maxed out there cuz it's a very demanding game but I wanted to put a mid-range graphics card in there so that we're not always using 2080 TI's next up we have a sports game steep the skiing snowboarding paragliding simulator slash sports game I am genuinely curious I want y'all's comments down in the video description below keep it or ditch it do you want to continue to see this game benchmarked I have not gotten a lot of feedback on it it's different than the usual you know first-person shooters and other things that I benchmark and so I thought well maybe people are interested in this but I haven't really had any comments about it so keep or ditch I will look for your comments down below as far as performance well here's a big shocker the 3,800 X is faster how much looks look at the benchmark 78 90 and 102 on the averages and then frankly the one percent of point one percent lows are all kind of compressed together so this doesn't have the same dramatic performance increase as others but every games gonna be different depending upon resolution detail setting graphics card etc the division to another open-world game I've been having a lot of fun with recently and very well optimized I have been impressed by the wide range of computers this will run on ok the very very bottom end it kind of falls apart but the performance here was good across the board obviously it's gonna be faster on a 3,800 X but not tremendously so however I want you to watch something right now I want you to look at the graphics card utilization between the 2700 X in the middle and the 3,800 X on the bottom now the 1700 X on the top is using about a 80% there's 77% 73% graphics card usage notice that the two bottom tests have nearly a hundred percent usage on the graphics card when you look at the chart in the next screen I want you to keep that in mind because if we had a faster graphics card or we were running it well lower resolution lowered that you can't really do lower this is 1080p high detail who's gonna do less so if you had a twenty eighty super or a twenty atti there be a more pronounced difference here but I'm trying to use reasonable mid-range graphics cards because how many people are buying 150 to 250 dollar CPUs and putting 1200 hour video cards on there I hope you're not but well a few of you might be 129 149 and 152 again we were graphics card bound between the 2700 X and 3800 but we were not graphics card bound on the 1700 X so in this game at this resolution in this detail you now know where the CPU becomes the bottleneck and where the GPU becomes the bottleneck because boom there it is right there of course a hundred and forty nine and a hundred and fifty-two and even one hundred and twenty-nine are great frame rates and if you want to play this game frankly a 1700 X is just fine you don't need any of the newer chips if you already have a first gen rising seven and one of the six core twelve thread chips would actually be fine as well this game is pretty well optimized I've played it quite a bit I'm gonna finish it just like a finished Division one and it's really nice it's a lot of fun in an effort to keep this short total war three kingdoms and the built-in benchmark doesn't show much and especially when it split three screens 91 99 and 102 a little bit more on the one percent of point one percent low faster CPUs in games like this will help but the built in benchmark often doesn't really demonstrate it very well I'm including it because people ask but you really gotta play the game in order to you know do a CPU test program but I'm not gonna do that so this is what you get the performance increase from first to third gen is very much real check out that Cinebench score 47% faster between these two CPUs the question is will that translate into games well good for you we've got a bunch of game benchmarks to show you as I mentioned it's quite long but a detailed analysis of the real-time numbers is included so if you're genuinely interested in the question how much better is then - well you've come to the right video enough talking on with the benchmarks looking at our first non game benchmark we have seven zips built-in benchmark compression decompression and the combined total for those of you playing the home game the combined total is 35% faster on the 3,800 X versus the 1700 X is it worth it from a pure performance $2 point of view no in less time as money same thing with blender or the 3d render benchmark it's about 6 minutes faster on the 3800 x versus the 1700 x or roughly about 30% is saving 30% on your 3d render time important to you well frankly if blender is important to you you're watching the wrong video you should be watching the rise in 9 3,900 X versus 39 50 X but those are two completely different price class so if this is where you're at yeah the 3,800 X is faster everybody's favorite benchmark Cinebench are twenty forty four percent faster between the seventeen hundred X and the 3800 X in single core and forty seven percent faster in multi-core now this is a pure render benchmark that takes nothing else into account and it does not take nearly as long to render as the blender benchmark does which is why the blender benchmark doesn't show the same level of improvement this is sort of the best-case scenario in theory if all the stars align the 3800 X is 50% faster roughly than a 1700 X doing some video encoding work handbrake HVAC h.265 4k 60 frames per second this is a 150 megabit per second original raw source file that is being reconciled and 15 minutes on the 3800 x that is a huge improvement and if your time has value and you're legit doing this sort of thing then yeah I would absolutely upgrade from a 1700 X to a 3,800 X although again just like the blender comments why are you not buying a rise in 9 the additional cost of a rise in 9 3900 X is completely worth it for this sort of workload finally we have a general system benchmark PC mark 10 now this does a variety of tests from basic office applications to content creation to graphics performance storage performance etc because of that it tests a lot more than just the CPU and there is quote only a 28% improvement between the 1700 X and the 3,800 X but again remember this is testing real-world applications and actually using Windows level programs besides direct you know encoding or 3d animating or whatever and it just demonstrates that the newer CPUs are definitely an improvement kudos to AMD for such a large improvement in just two years thank you all for watching all of those benchmarks for those of you who did not fast forward to gold stars for you it's greatly appreciated these type of videos are a lot of work to put together the short version is you don't need then to any more than you need eight cores to play games the reality is you can play all current games on our first generation rise in on a four or six core chip and they play just fine but if you want that premium experience if you want a faster machine a more responsive machine everything from game updates to Windows applications to multitasking to game launch to those 1% 0.1% low numbers if you want the Cadillac experience you've come to the right place because Zen 2 is amazing it's like 90 to 95 percent of Intel's best for a lot less money two gold stars two AMD for putting out an awesome product like this video if you liked it share it with a friend if you loved it remember to subscribe to my channel with a big huge red button directly below questions comments thoughts feedback suggestions you know where the comment section is I don't have a chance to respond to everybody but I do scroll through them and I do read them and I 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Length: 27min 43sec (1663 seconds)

Published: Thu Dec 05 2019