Which one is right for you?

today we're going to kind of do a compare contrast between this and this which one do you think is better and why comment below before even watching the video [Music] [Music] what's the matter oh how is anyone supposed to manage these cables yeah modern PCS feature a lot of fans RGB components and daisy chaining cables and connections everywhere and it's made things really difficult to manage and keep together which is why Corsair IQ link has something completely new coming dude so inevitably every single time I do a water cooled build of some sort there's a lot of comments of folks that are like just get an AIO it does the same thing water is water and you know what in terms of science you're right water is water but I thought what we do today is a little bit of an educational video where we kind of talk about each component that is exists within this and then the open loop custom water cooling counterparts why you might consider going this route versus this route so there's nothing wrong with this route it's just there is a quality difference obviously there is a huge price difference uh and these are some things that you need to consider before you move forward and just say I'll just get an AIO because at the at the end of the day there's nothing wrong with an AIO as long as it's an AIO size appropriately for your CPU needs to be able to keep it nice and cool and guess what with 3900ks and your 7950x's and your 7900 x's and your next 3DS being as hot as they are now this has never mattered more than ever so let's go ahead and sort of break it down each component that exists inside of an AIO also has its individual counterpart piece that you have to buy when you do a custom Loop so first and foremost there's a radiator the radiator's job is to take the hot fluid going through it transfer the heat to the fins that are in the rad and then the fans jobs is to blow air through that rad to transfer that heat away from it that's why it's called a heat exchanger technically a radiator would be true if it had no fans in my opinion because then this is radiating the heat although it's still doing that we're exchanging the heat by using fans so it's more of an active cooling rather than just a convection and slash radiation so a little side note there your fans are responsible for moving heat away from the exchanger as this is response responsible for absorbing the heat to be exchanged you have your fittings you have to have a way to have the tubing attached to the radiator that tubing is nothing but a transfer device to take coolant from one component to another to another to another in return et cetera et cetera so you have your fittings which are designed to hold your tubing you've got the tubing itself which can be a bunch of different materials with Open Water Loops now what makes it interesting here when it comes to an AIO is nearly every AIO in the market and I say nearly because not every single one is this way has a a combination pump slash cold plate that is a single unit that itself mounts to the CPU or technically the GPU depending on what the application is now but 99 of the time when we have people asking me about open loop versus closed loop and this is referred to as a closed loop because you can't service it there's very few uh designs out there that allow you to be able to open it up take the coolant out exchange the coolant etc etc so they're referred to as closed loop for open loop on the other hand is something you have to buy individually and assemble so these are pretty much non-serviceable there are some exceptions on the market where you might find a fitting up in the radiator or something those are very few and far between but also too one of the reasons why you find pretty much every AIO in the market having the pump built into the cold plate slash water block is because a lot of these are just acetic uh rebrands and I mean what I mean by Rebrand acetec owns the patent and the design patent for this now there are very few ways to get around that pattern and they're kind of expensive when you try so what one of the ways that people have gotten around it in the past or at least tried is I'll put an inline pump in the tube somewhere where it'll be like a little square and that's the pump and it's got the wire coming off of it and that's designed to move fluid through the system other brands I think NZXT did this they'll put the pump in the center of the radiator where it's then the pump's responsibility to move fluid through the radiator the problem is those tend to be a water bleeding nightmare because almost always your radiators at the top and then it gives it a very narrow area to try and pull fluid through uh pump burnout was kind of a problem that's sort of one of the reasons why they moved away from that design but it was a nice attempt the other thing we're going to talk about here is the materials used almost every single AIO in the market these days especially acetech rebrands are using aluminum radiators aluminum end tanks aluminum rows and the reason for that is cost aluminum is cheap or aluminum depending on where you are just added mooninium in there if you are not from the US uh aluminum is cheap copper has a copper and brass and almost every copper radiator by the way you'll see it advertises copper or full Copper the difference there is and this is kind of an example right here of a full Copper red you have copper fins copper rows and the rows are just the the actual con like tubes that are inside they referred to as Radiator Rose and copper end tanks sometimes you'll find aluminum rows as little aluminum fins and brass and tanks and now brass is also a very low corrosive metal it handles different kinds of fluids very well it also handles mixed metals very well which is why you find a lot of brass inside of older homes and stuff when it comes to like their piping system for their water coppers where people are going these days because copper doesn't really tend to corrode as easily um the problem is copper is a lot more expensive than aluminum so that's why you find them going with aluminum in these aios and you'll be very hard-pressed to find an aluminum radiator in an open loop because the reason is one rad depending on the brand you go with can cost as much as an entire AIO so the other thing is going to be the CPU block design itself this metal piece right here which mines very discolored because of the fact that we use this with liquid metal so the liquid metal is actually kind of like completely gotten stuck and stained to the copper right there actually it's sort of started to corrode it to be honest because liquid metal is very corrosive um the cold plate design this is the thing touching the thing you're trying to cool the actual responsibility of how much heat can it can absorb is due to its overall design so a thinner piece of metal and overall less amount of mass means less thermal mass that it's able to absorb so having a thin piece of metal will transfer heat very quickly but will also become saturated very quickly so that's why we have other blocks we're going to look at here in comparison including my JC sense block you guys are wondering the reason why I'm including this one is I've had a there's been a lot of comments in the past about saying this is just a reused cold plate from an AIO it's actually not and we'll kind of compare the differences here but I've got an EK block on here as well a velocity block not a velocity two block just to show some of the overall design differences the first thing I need to do is sacrifice this AIO and by sacrifice I mean I've got to open it up and get the coolant out because of the fact that this is this is definitely an obsolete design by this by this point the overall size of it is not big enough to cover um LGA 1700 so they've got bigger cold plates now you can see on mine it's quite a bit bigger in terms of the actual surface area before you get to the to the screws right there so this design right now is just it doesn't cut it very well with the larger CPU types okay so here's the old Celsius cooler completely deconstructed you can see this particular cooler though is a little bit unique to the market because it was advertised as expandable we even did a video expanding one of these way back when it's a challenge to expand it and then you've definitely got to be con concerned with mixed Metals yes this is an aluminum radiator you can tell by looking at the fittings here even like the threads because it is all aluminum construction where if you look at like a very similar looking radiator next to it you can see that that one's clearly either copper or brass now this is advertised as a full Copper rad so I believe although it looks a little more yellow than orange like copper so it's probably a brass and tank um anyway brass and copper are way more anti-corrosive than aluminum is however is the if the brand gets it right because we do have I unscrewed it we do have a copper cold plate here as you can see so we have a mixed metal but as long as the brand is using an appropriate anti-corrosive fluid designed for whatever grade of copper this is whatever grade aluminum this is because that's the other part of the equation is the fact that there are grades of metal and Alloys they might have other things and then none of these full Copper RADS are 100 copper they all have zinc and other things in them that's what percentage that matters so that's why you've probably seen some AIO discussions in the past of ones that have corroded very shortly uh the reason for that corrosion is the coolant was probably just an off-the-shelf one they threw in there and it was not one that was appropriate for the Mixed metal so this is the cold plate you'll know some scratches on there because one of these screws right there did not want to come out so I had to dremel a Groove in it because it rounded out my the Phillips but I'm never using this again so it's fine but what I want to show you here was actually the thickness of it and there is a plastic piece on here I need to pop off but effectively what this is is this the water block technically it's it is the part touching the metal of your IHS on your CPU and it's responsible for transferring the Heat this is like pretty important in terms of the build quality of that so there's that this on top of it is the pump and you can see right here how if we account for the thinness of this the flow the coolant has to flow through this so check out the first of all the inlet size it's very small versus something like say G quarter threads on an EK water block right or G quarter is the center by the way or the G quarter threads on the JC sense Corsair Edition water block yeah the xc8 so this is just a rubber piece okay and then this just fits over that so cool it goes in those little holes gets distributed along that strip and then that strip as you can see goes along the screw right here and then the fluid goes either way like 180 or 90 degrees out each way through these these fins and then out and back through the other hole on this guy so it's very restrictive all of that takes place in that amount of space literally the height that we have on those fins is the only flow that we have for the coolant so there's that which is adequate for older CPUs I didn't use a ton of power like let's say even Intel CPUs are up to like 250 Watts these new ones now that are pulling 300 plus no problem really starts to stress these particular designs all right so here's the pump and you can see these guys here these are just for show they're attached to this top piece this particular AIO also had the wire going through the tube which was nice because it would hide that's what this is all about right here this is the actual tube so that's a lot of that's a lot of length of of cable by the way for for this if you stretch it out we're gonna hang on to this this is useful still somehow reminds me of the little telephone cord this is the diameter of the tubing so as you can see it's only what quarter inch or so it's about a quarter inch very flexible though so this is what's important um and then it had a protective sheathing on the outside of it as you can see and that actually was an anti-kink is what that's designed for and then it had the sleeving over top of it so although it looks super thick like you had a ton of flow in terms of like inner diameter not a lot you'll find just about every single AIO is about a quarter inch inner diameter so there's that so as I further tear it down there's like the ring this is the top cover for the motor that's the actual motor for the impeller and the impeller is built in like this this is the pump I just wish I could have seen the impeller and again I know this might sound like Jay is bashing on aios we have systems here that are running on aios all of our test benches are running on aios they're convenient it's just what you get with the trade-off you're going to have here is build quality longevity at the sacrifice of cost so let's move forward the radiator is easy to start with we already showed this if you compare the weight of the copper one is definitely more you can get these in various colors you can get them in different thin densities the more fins the more heat capacity it can hold and transfer and uh exchange the downside is more noise more fins mean more back pressure more pressure means more fan RPM and pressure which means more more noise one thing I want to show we'll do this with a close-up shot is this radiator right here is at least six years old maybe seven years old there is zero corrosion inside this red if you look down inside here you can see that it's very clean it's very silvery looking you can see cleanly down into the rows there is nothing obstructing or blocking it so it's an example of what happens when a company uses a proper fluid designed for the or the metals that are in their Loop that's important it's just like you have to do when you choose your fluid the 700 XTX Red Devil graphics card from Power color features triple 100 millimeter fans with ring fan blades 8 heat pipes with direct contact copper cold plate dual bios and real-time digital monitoring to guarantee Optimum cooling efficiency the 7900 XTX Red Devil also includes removable magnetic back plate with several optional back plate designs to choose from allowing users to Custom Tailor their GPU to match the look and feel their systems without the need for any tools to see the full list of features of the power color 7900 XTX Red Devil follow the link in the description below all right so next let's go let's move on to pumps this little guy right here obviously doesn't hold a candle to this guy um this guy is also extremely expensive like 300 and something bucks this bottom portion right here is actually the pump it is what it contains a D5 inside there you can even see on the bottom that it is uh speed adjustable it's a manual adjustable this is not a pwm pump I personally don't like pwm pumps just because of the fact that I can't control the speed when I'm trying to fill and bleed the system when I'm trying to fill a system I want to fill it at maximum speed when I'm trying to move air bubbles out of it to bleed it I like to vary that speed up and down up and down because that's that motion of high pressure low pressure going back and forth helps jostle bubbles loose and get it moving pwm doesn't do that and some pwm pumps like to go oh I don't see a pwm circuit because you don't run the system while you're bleeding it some pwm pumps go I don't see a signal so we're going to run at low speed so I use manual pumps when possible but you can get them in D5 DDC all kinds of different variations of of pump this is just one combo that I decided to show you this is what came out of my original black ice build I really like having a large Reservoir that because you might notice on the AIO there's no Reservoir at all that's why there's always going to be a little bit of air in the loop and some sloshing around because there's nowhere for air to go to create uh the loop being able to be completely filled the fluid and by loop I mean everything connected to this air up here is okay air down in here is not okay but anyway a nice large volume of of reservoir feeding your pump when you're filling it makes pump pump filling and res filling and loop filling it's so much more fulfilling so anyway there's that you can get the pumps Standalone and then you just have to plumb them into your Reservoir Etc et cetera you can size it to your needs that one's a bit Overkill could you imagine this little guy trying to send fluid through a GPU block two radiators the CPU block and then the tubing resistance and then all the bends in the tube here's an example of a non-sleeved EK you know is this xspc I take the back EK is the one notorious for not sleeping stuff but it's got a clear top it's also a manual D5 as you can see the lane DD D5 pump this is just the housing that's in so you can mount that on something and then you have your different fittings allowing tubing to go where it needs to go the reason why I'm showing you this one is it's clear you can see if you compare the impeller is that round piece in the middle the inlet is the center it goes into the center of the impeller that's spinning through magnetism and it's centrifugal force sending the fluid off in the direction it needs to go that impeller is larger than the entire motor attached to an AIO because this is the motor on this side this guy right here so yeah a little bit of you versus the uh gosh it doesn't have to worry about yep so anyway there this is an example of why pumps cost as much as they do there's a lot of people that complain about the cost of the motor and the pump the pump is pretty important in your system and it's definitely you don't wanna so you don't want to be cheap and just cheap out on any part of an AI of an open loop in my opinion but the pump is extremely important don't scrimp on it okay let's talk fittings real quick just because this one is one that confuses a lot of people pretty much every component is G quarter thread this one happens to be usable um or removable you have a ton of different fittings you can choose from you've got your excess or your bits power this one's actually Corsair this power is like the odm for Corsair of Corsair then you got your big old one from EK water blocks you've got a ton of different types of connectors that you can use like that's just puts two uh males or females together to create a weird I had to use this to use some spacing which is interesting in my build you've got your compression fittings you've got your Barb fittings you've got your soft tubing hard tubing so the fittings that this the fittings is literally the part that confuses people the most because you have to make sure inner diameter and outer diameter match you've got to make sure you've got as many fittings as you need based on your Loop whether you're deciding to bend a tube or use soft tube or use a 90 degree or a double 90 or a double swivel 90 or a swivel 45 that's the part that I guarantee just about anyone that's ever attempted their first water cooling Loop has went dang I need this fitting or I'm short this many fittings Etc back when I first started doing water cooling videos on YouTube G quarter thread by quarter inch 3 8 half soft tubing was it then you had your outer diameter was it a two mil thick wall or three mil thick wall but now you've got 13 mil rigid tubing 12 mil rigid tubing 13 mil rigid tubing 14 mil 16 mil how thick is the the wall you've got 12 by 10. you've got 10 by 13. you've got 10 by 14 10 by 16. so the inner diameter on Rigid doesn't matter but it certainly does on a barbed fitting I feel like I need to do another ultimate fittings guide all right let's talk about the CPU block there's our cold plate from our aceitec AIO let's start with the js2 sense cold plate so block tear down is an important aspect to consider because here's the thing your Loop can last many generations of your build the reason why taking it apart is an issue is because if you use it for years and years eventually you got to take it apart and clean it no matter how clean your fluid is at some point you might have something build up in there so if you're getting a little peek is to have the sausages made here the top piece here is just aesthetic right this has got giant um translucent plastic piece here's the RGB so another thing I want to point out too is not just the overall size but look at the height of the fins so you've got depth in there for there to be plenty of uh space for flow to be less restrictive not to mention the height inside here this is this is fairly thick to allow fluid to move around there a lot easier EK block is also very very similar we'll take this one apart in a sec but I just want to weigh these so you can see the difference in weight 30.1 grams 77.5 for those wondering the JC sense Edition is a cosmetic change xc8 is pretty much the same so if you don't want the G6 logo on there perfectly available in black and silver and all that stuff so as I take the EK block apart real quick and don't worry we're getting to the end of this video here pretty soon not a whole lot left to talk about there is a diminishing return there it is easy to over spec and over build something and not like if you spend an extra 100 bucks for 2C better performance that's a pretty bad return on that investment when you know 100 block will get the job done depending on your needs you might need to go with a higher end block but you really got to kind of decide if that's something you really truly need so this is this is the velocity not the velocity two this is an EK or a AMD bracket on there works with am4 and am5 this would be perfectly fine for am5 because am5 heat spreader will not fit uh outside of this size of this heat this cold plate but when it comes to Intel 1700 they're longer now so you need to make sure you have it the appropriate version and back in the day it didn't matter they just say back in the day like it was that long ago but realistically it didn't matter it all worked this is gonna have an extremely dense cold plate on here tear down is also fairly simple it's four screws right here on the bottom of the heat for the cold plate this one as you can see has actually never been used so how much does this one weigh 93.2 on that one so this is also a full Copper it's just nickel plated there's a lot of discussion about whether or not nickel plating affects the cooling it really doesn't the plating is so thin it doesn't cause any sort of insulation and it is a direct contact with the copper so it's not a problem but you can get these in Copper as well if you don't want the nickel showing you can see the Flow Design here quite a bit different right it comes down through here it goes to this jet plate goes down through the fins and then goes around the perimeter and then out that hole right there so very simple design if you take it apart upside down it can all fall off this is also hey how you have to change the bracket to Intel if you needed to do that so tubing I started to talk about that a minute ago this is just a couple of different types of acrylic this is pmma which is an acrylic this is a Corsair tube it is frosted this is my new favorite tube lately you can get a very nice tight 90 degree bend on it tighter than you can with non-pmma I don't it's got to be a different chemical makeup we've talked about about this in the past but it takes more heat to bend and it bends much tighter without kinking they've gotten frosted black clear here's just a clear piece of acrylic you also have different wall thicknesses I want to point this out they both are 10 millimeter in interior like inner diameter but you can see one has much thinner wall than other because one is a three millimeter no one's a four millimeter wall because this is the the Frosted is a 14 mil and then the clear is a 13 mil so as you can see very different thickness in terms of the the tubing itself what does the thinner tube mean it Kinks easier you know that doesn't mean you're going to get lucky on your first date it means that as you go to bend it it wants to oval and Crush so you have to be very diligent by making sure that you use an inner core as you bend it otherwise it'll crash like a mandrel for exhaust pipes and stuff um let's talk about fluid and then it's basically time to wrap this up with some final conclusions here you got a lot of premixes on the market now this is the Mystic fog from Ek not a sponsor or anything it's just we're this is going in a different build so I used the Mystic fog in my personal build you guys saw it if you haven't seen my my latest uh build with the 4090 water cooled system so far it's just like a very it's like a lighter than non-fat milk kind of a white it's very foggy don't let me put it I was concerned about whether or not this would fall out and start to get stuck I've left my system running quite a bit when I'm not in there so far I don't see any chunks floating around I do not have clear blocks so I cannot see what's happening in the block but I can tell you you can start to see what's happening in your Loop by noticing changes in the color of your coolant or noticing um bits and flakes of stuff floating around in your Reservoir so that's why having a nice clear open Reservoir is nice to have because you can clearly see no pun intended for the most part you don't need anything other than distilled water with an anti-growth inhibitor and maybe an anti-corrosive additive additive in there the nice thing about distilled water it's deionized all minerals have been removed from it basically the water's been like boiled like you would alcohol to distill it it's just it's distilled water so you don't get alcohol out of it and it makes it as pure as possible it's the impurities in water that causes the growth and the corrosion not the necessarily the water itself it's the stuff in water if you just use tap water in your Loop you are creating a science experiment if you didn't put any sort of anti-growth in there you've created life from that episode of The Simpsons when Lisa created life in her little petri dish you're doing that right now all it took is a couple drops of a biocide to make sure that never happens the pre-mixes are nice because all that stuff's already in it you don't have to think about it it's just stay away from The Pastels and the opaques and the color thick additive stuff I'm testing the fog right now I feel like the fog is a middle ground where they didn't go heavy enough with the suspended material in there to give it the effect to be able to start clogging up so far I've let the system sit for a long time too and I didn't notice any settling at the bottom of the reservoir but it can happen but you can also just get a straight up clear glycol mixed um that is you can add dye to it if you want but the clearer the fluid the better it is in terms of not having things clog up on you if you will the downside about using glycol based coolant is if you use a glycol based tube like p-e-t-g which is what the G stands for glycol if you let your system get really warm and you don't have enough Cooling in there to keep your fluid levels the temperature levels down under like say 40c you'll start to notice breakdown of your tubing by that breakdown tends to show itself in the form of being a bubble at the fitting like a bulge at the fitting so if you keep your system nice and cool tons of RADS you live in a cold environment your windows open your coolant temps never go up above like 25 28 you're probably never going to see a problem if you live in India and it's like 99 degrees in midnight and it's at 88 humidity you'll probably notice glycol starting to get a little soft on it you might know some of your bends starting to relax a little bit that's a bad sign so again the complications all right conclusion time on a fairly long video you can easily get the job done with an AIO most aios are going to perform within maybe 5c of a custom Loop and sometimes not even that much worse what you give up is serviceability accessibility upgradability expandability at the cost of quality at the cost of longevity because if you get an AIO that lasts longer than two or three years these days you're lucky a lot of people start to notice permeation where you start to see evaporation through the tubing it can actually evaporate through the tubing so you'll start to notice your fluid levels over time going down you might notice your AIO is now making a fish tank percolating sound guess what it's because your coolant is evaporating out of it over time and the hotter it gets the faster it happens into the system like it like this you could just top off your Reservoir the downside is cost this is going to cost six seven times more than an AIO at least this guy right here is like four hundred dollars by itself you buy two aios for that price have one on backup for when you need to change it because someday you're going to change it I guarantee you'll have to change your AIO long before you'd have to have to change anything to do with this the downside is it's your responsibility to make sure it's all compatible fits goes together and you warranty it yourself with the exception of like a pump failing and dying there's very little Express warranty on this short of like a radiator springs a little pinhole leak or something on there you're the one responsible for taking care of it making sure it fits make sure it works putting it together and then servicing and maintaining it and it's a lot more work when something goes wrong with one of the open Loops than it is for an AIO because an AIO tends to be unmount your red unhook your RGB wires in this case it was a single wire unhook your pump wire four bolts on your CPU block switch it out you'd be up and running inside of an hour if you had another one sitting there on standby this is not a video saying aios are bad it's just a video giving you some real information that is not opinion based it's just facts on quality of parts that you guys can use to make a decision on which one's right for you you don't need a closed loop in fact you don't even need an AIO all you need is this guy right here 6000.

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Length: 28min 31sec (1711 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 03 2023