What Would You Do If the Worst Happened? (with Mike Glover) - Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

but an underground bunker is not going to prevent you from potentially dealing with the issues that would come to your front door or your underground door that is very much so aligned with the idea that isolation is what's going to save you in the worst case scenario if you're isolated you don't have additional resource resources and assets and you need a network of assets to be able to survive how can I help how can I be useful in ending needless suffering do not be afraid of work that has no end we have to organize a social movement we have an opportunity to lead by example versus just talking hot air I think the more people in this fight the more we grow eventually it could change the people are the ones that can make the change ladies and gentlemen gemen welcome back I apologize for my absence but I am now a proud tummy ache Survivor and I'm back so welcome back to change agents an ironclad original proudly presented by Montana Knife Company my guest today is a very good friend of mine his name is Mike Glover and we're going to be talking about preparedness survival and in general what you can do to prepare yourself in the actions that you can take when everything goes wrong Mike spent 18 years in the Army as a Green Beret followed by many years as a contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency he's an expert in counterterrorism security and crisis management operations he's also the founder of fieldcraft survival a training company offering courses in Firearms survival Mobility medicine and preparedness it's also the author of the book prepared a manual for surviving worst case scenarios and the host of the Mike Force podcast and you can check out his new series focal point which I also co-host with him now like I mentioned we're going to be talking about preparedness and here are some stats that hopefully raise your eyebrows a little bit 2third of Americans do not feel fully prepared for a potential natural disaster 68% of Americans don't have emergency evacuation kits according to a survey conducted by Lending Tree 73% don't have a generator and according to a Business Wire study only 34% of Americans believe that local community organizations are prepared and resourced to assist their community in the wake of an emergency so where does that leave us well that leaves you with taking control over the things that you actually have control over yourself your mindset and your preparation and training and with that let's get into this episode with Mike globber I hope you enjoyed so we got to start at the beginning though of course I mean you are the CEO and founder of fieldcraft survival the idea for that obvious viously came from somewhere so if you could unpack your background for us a little bit and explain where the idea for the company came from in the first place yeah like many of our veteran friendship group we all come from veteran experiences in the military um I did uh about 20 years in the US Army and did a stint in the Infantry for four years and then had the standard Green Beret career I mean I just did a lot of stuff in the in career in the career field but I think specific typically as a start point I started seeking more training that was outside of the protocol of what I would classify a door kicker I was interested in the technical side syruptitious entry I was going to every school that I could go to the official cover course every survival school that was available I went to peacetime detention covert coms and I started learning about you know training as a protocol in the find fix finish model of the military service and so I was well-rounded kind of dotted those eyes and checked those blocks as I crossed over into the Central Intelligence Agency I started realizing I had a very much so dependency on the system I me we have protocols to reduce risk and mitigate the worst case scenario and that kind of leaves us in a place where we're very dependent on the qrf you know we're dependent on the the standard operating procedure or the minimal amount of people that you could have On Target and so when I went to the CIA I realized there's this whole other world where they accepted risk and so I was out flapping by myself so I thought you know a Glock 17 in the waistband if I was lucky I had a writing partner most places I did but I was in um still these kind of semi-permissive environments that could go bad at any time and that's when I started to realize man that's how Everyday People live that's how civilians live and they don't have a protocol to mitigate their risk in their environments based on the Threat Level and you know what I realized when I when I started mitigating risk and started doing contingency planning and making up for the lack of qrf in a semi-permissive environment I started realizing oh you could be confident in that environment even when you're out there flapping in the world and so in the civilian uh sector when I was coming back home from these rotations I started to realize as a business protocol there's nobody teaching that there's nobody offering that education and so that's the Kickstart to Phil Craft Survival I said hey I'm going to do something kind of different Modern Survival or modern preparation and fill this Gap or this void of you know the Tactical instructor certainly existed but there wasn't an overall protocol for how to do all these things in preparedness so I went to you know the basic sear school which is stands for survival Escape resistance and evasion that was early on it was post Bud's pre first operational seal platoon and it it was kind of basic I would describe it as um how to survive in a p type situation essentially the things you can do that can't do some strategies for I'd say more than anything keeping your brain from breaking um and then high-risk Sear after becoming a part of a jck command and I would describe that more as honestly if I had to break it down kind of interrogation survival you know ways to keep yourself alive again there was the oh you need to escape and communicate and all those things but that was more ways to keep your brain intact when you were in a very high stress interrogation situation but I never went to any other military survival schools and even though both of those were called you know S standing for survival they didn't really I mean I can't remember any actual survival skills being taught other than very basic map Encompass at the first one maybe some basic fire starting the advanced schools that you went to what kind of stuff did they cover because those basic sear courses were basically survive until you're either released or you are recovered by American forces yes sear u high risk which is our version of it the Army's version of it is specifically designed for Special Operations Aviation regiment the SAR 160th guys and guys who are Behind Enemy Lines so fix wi Pilots that have the highest chance and probability of getting ejected out over uh bad guy territory and so our our specific sear has a leadup of primitive survival skills uh where we're teaching basic survival um basic evasion tactics and basic counter interrogation tactics to stay in that that that Loop stay in that bubble and you know that setting that aside I didn't really learn a lot from that but in jck I went to a peacetime detention our version of the high-risk which was more about hey you're in a semi-permissive environment where they pull you into secondary and they start interrogating you and they potentially escalate they roll you up and they and they put you in a prison and how you get through that is based on your ability to basically manipulate the interrogator so it was very specific to uh interrogation tactics the best course that I went to in survival was with the Central Intelligence Agency known as hrock and hrock is an acronym and it's it's for the case officer that's in you know Germany and things happen and potentially it falls and you have to escape and evade I think one of the first Stars and the the legacy of the wall of honor at the Central Intelligence Agency happens to be a case officer who escaped China uh then Burma I believe and was killed eventually in Tibet by a random security guard but that whole premise was he was in a safe area it went bad and then he broke contact and he had to survive by being crafty and so the idea of being crafty of surviving with with what's on your person not pre-planned like not not like like we have a plan to escape and evade right now but always being prepared for that is a different kind of mindset and position so it's like the question is like is something happen right now could you escape and evade could you survive 72 hours as a minimum with what you have on person and with all the skill sets that you have that was the best version of it and you know it's a Ziploc bag and all the things handed to you which is all the stuff that fits on your person and saying can you survive for 72 hours and we did that and I was super impressed by that lastly I would say one of the things I was impressed by which I can't go into too much detail because there is an NDA in place on it is covert Communications which is a kind of secretive way to communicate in that worst case scenario and I was really impressed by that whole protocol although not exercised often it's a skill set that you have to sustain and I was part of that program for a period of time because the chances of Singletons and low visit guys which I was I was one of those guys at the time of being rolled up um is higher in those environments than a direct action environment where you in a helicopter you do your thing you get counted on the helicopter and then you fly away so I think it's very relevant to civilians to understand some of those protocols and some of those things that we introduce into Phil Craft Survival are relevant yeah and I think the biggest difference in everything that you have just described even for probably the case officer to a degree like I mean we had satellite communication and capability and it's not like it was an actual red button but if we needed to and called for help they would move National level assets to stop everything and to try to help people that were isolated and that's just not available for civilians I mean we teach our children to call 911 we don't talk to them about what happens when the 911 circuit board is completely full or how about when you pick up the phone and there's no dial tone you know they they they are operating or I should say we had the luxury probably a not a great word to describe it we had the luxury though of having those National level assets at our not discretion but available to us if things went wrong and I think that's one of the big gaps in preparedness personally when I view how people view preparedness in the civilian world based on how we were trained in the military world as well I have some stats for you and I'm curious about what you think about these because I personally don't think these numbers are correct so 2/3 of Americans do not feel fully prepared for potential natural disasters 68% of Americans don't have emergency evacuation kits according to a survey conducted by Lending Tree 73% do not have generators um according to a Business Wire study only 34% of Americans believe that local community organizations are prepared and resourced to assist their community in the wakeen of emergency and the same study found that only 40% uh 47% of Americans have cash on hand just 29% have medical supplies of any kind and only 37% have their medical records on hand and according to FEMA just 48% of Americans have created emergency plans I feel like the actual numbers skew far more towards people being less prepared like 73% of people let's use the generator number I bet you far less than the 3 well 360 million Americans many of those are underage but let's talk about the adults I bet you far less than 73% have generators let alone service the generator on a regular interval and actually make sure that the thing works me there's a difference between having a generator and having a generator full of fuel that hasn't been changed in two years that won't turn over if you pull the crank do you get that same assessment based off of your organization the people that are coming to you yeah for sure I think I think that paints just as the statistics read a grim picture but like you said there's there the The Details Matter like if if a percentage of the population has a prep preparedness kit what's in the preparedness kit you know is it something the last time they inventoried it when was the last time that they actually updated the technology of things going into that kid yeah and I would say our our country is is ill-prepared and it paints a grim picture but but really specifically it points to the level of the lack of confidence in institutions I mean this dependency on institutions through social media we' we've seen through a pandemic and we've seen through social issues that they're not very reliable and so you have to bring back some of the dependency and stop depending on everybody else to take care and police yourself up um specifically when it comes to things like aemergency preparedness and first aid um if if if an accident happens if a disaster happens you have to be able to treat yourself because even in a disaster like a catastrophe uh a tornado like this tornado that struck and killed six people in Tennessee the IM immediate First Responders are overwhelmed because it's a catastrophy and and you would say well that only happens once in a while but doesn't and and when it does happen yeah it targets specifically a pointed uh part of the population but why would you not be prepared just because you weren't the one that was pointed if it happened next door if it happened in the community uh across the river why would you not be prepared for those things and so at as a from a company perspective it is a constant struggle to message to people that we are not crazy that that this whole idea of Preppers being tin foil hat guys yeah certainly it exist but I live in a neighborhood in the middle of Provo Utah I mean I could see the town from my position here and I'm ass simulated I'm not living radical but I'm more prepared because it's on my mind it's deliberate processes it's things that I train and I put myself for so trying to say that is difficult because of all the stigmas and stereotypes associated with Preppers but it's something that we've accepted the challenge for and we we've bridged a lot of gaps I mean Andy to give you an example um for example first day tourniquets when I started talking about tourniquets a decade ago I was attacked by the medical industry in space even people that I knew that were 18 Deltas SF Medics because they were saying why would you teach somebody how to do that like they should be taking TC tacnical combat casualty care or getting their EMT or paramedic certification and I said listen guys like all this information is now available if you could build together a hybrid Tesla um in your garage from a YouTube video why would I not educate somebody to apply a tourniquet which is a piece of material to stop the bleed because it only takes a few minutes to do that and it's not special it's not classified and it's pertinent information for cilian and so over the past decade say about seven eight years ago nobody was selling tourniquets to civilians it was exclusively a military line item and and it had an NSN associated with it now we are selling those and I would say um based on the statistics that I've read we sell more tourniquet to Sans than any other company in the country and that's a good sign and indication that people were paying attention and realizing it's relevant for them you know it's interesting you bring up uh Preppers which I often think and you know I've had this conversation how do you explain preparation because first you have to kind of like breach the door and get through the tinfoil hat like Red Dawn Soviets are coming I sleep in my buried school bus that has an air filter and I have water for six hours you know it's it's some of the the negative associations with that what are some other common misconceptions that you have or stereotypes that you've encountered around the preparation space not the prepper space but the preparation space um one of them is to be most prepared you have to be isolated and and typically underground um I once did a post which I got highly suppressed on social media because of that I actually lost my account because of it because I said I showed a picture of an underground bunker and I said I could kill you with a garden hose and and and what I was saying was you know I could literally just put a garden hose in that underground bunker and wash you out under underground bunkers come from a very cold war specific time in our history but an underground bunker is not going to prevent you from potentially dealing with the issues that would come to your front door or your underground door um like for example people exploiting your potential weakness we know in civil unrests we know in riots we know when things hit the fan people come out of the woodwork and they do evil things and and they try to exploit your your weakness a and and that is a very uh uh that is very much so aligned with the idea that isolation is what's going to save you in the worst case scenario if you're isolated you don't have additional resource resources and assets and you need a network of assets to be able to survive because you can't pull security grow the food take care of your family and do all the things at the same time so when you divide and conquer when you have actually a pull or a tribe of people that are collectively skilled and they become assets weight over liability then you increase your chances to survival it's why tribes or groups of people survive versus the individuals that you think are going to survive now there's a scarcity resource and famine kind of association with that um but again you can't do it all and and this idea of getting the cabin on the side of the the hill in the middle of the mountains that's not going to work yeah and I I would consider that to be like the edge case people who legitimately and there are a community of people out there that have those type of bunkers like that is legitimately part of their plan so like I said I'll call that an edge case coming back to the other side from just from a preparedness mindset give me your top three or five or whatever sticks out in the top of your head items tools technology that you think that people should start with when it comes to just general preparedness like everyday life not not people who own bunkers yeah that's that's a good good question because it's the it's a tangible component of this which is important um philosophically preparedness is talked about a lot but nobody's really talking about how I do it um the first thing I would say is have a conversation with the people that you love and navigate what your priorities are you know a person's priority in a neighborhood in Provo Utah is very different than a person's priorities in Key West Florida or or spell Montana the environmental conditions and factors weigh heavily in how you're preparing and and also your priorities in life I mean a lot of people weigh for example tactical training over physical fitness uh it's not the way you do it I mean it's one of the reasons why we we started doing Jiu-Jitsu because um as a foundation me and you grew up in a combat's world where uh part of your common core skill sets were physical training including combat and you had to be prepared at the base level before you started advancing to tools like the M4 the sniper rifle Etc so um having the conversation will identify weakness most importantly because if you say to your spouse hey honey um we don't have a fir plan where do we go from here it's like oh well we got a lot of gaps to fill like we need to be prepared for the oil fire in the kitchen the the house fire upstairs um secondly I would say most people don't think about first aid and they should statistically you're more likely to be in a vehicle accident and potentially be injured than nearly anything else besides cardiovascular disease or fit and overdose so if you look at 17 million accidents that happened a year you look about two million that people are injured 1 million people live catastrophically with those injuries the rest of their life and about 40,000 people die a year it's like oh crap I ought to be prepared for that but not just prepared for myself because those statist statistics are high if you weigh just your common interactions with your exposure to the miles you put on the highway you're going to come across people who are potentially injured and you need to be prepared as a responsible citizen so first aid especially stopping the bleed is a priority um I would also say in way security but not just the EDC pistol in the waistband I mean we default to to that I certainly carry I got a 365x macro in my my waistband now it's something that is part of my everyday routine but I also mean mitigating the potential risk to you and your family smartly like with technology my entire house is rigged with technology that allows me to see it coming and so the early warning um the the sensor and these are not like uh things that I'm soldering together in my basement these are this is it' be awesome if it'd be awesome if they were yeah but these are things that you you I bought at Costco you know yeah and so um being able to secure secure your and your family is important like uh during personal defense we offer this course that me and you have taught together in Montana when we teach that course you know we do a scenario it's like you're at a gas gas station at two in the morning you know how to reduce that risk don't be at a gas station at two in the morning and so um that's very important tangibly to approach all the things that you do in your life um including personal security including training and lastly I know there's a lot more to this but lastly i' would say um pay attention situation awareness that those statistics I gave in accents are mostly associated with distraction in driving mostly associated with your cell phone it could be eating a meal out of your lap putting your makeup on in the mirror um but distractions are typically what hurts us the most in our environment so pay attention put the cell phone down and maintain situational awareness situational awareness is a very deliberate protocol but it's not complex it's not a military Pro protocol it's just simply paying attention to your environment and what's taking place ladies and gentlemen I could not be more fired up to introduce the presenting sponsor for season 2 of change agents Montana Knife Company founded by somebody that I feel very fortunate to call a personal friend Master bladesmith Josh Smith not only a master blad Smith but the youngest Master blad Smith and one of the most experienced in the world Montana Knife Company blades are some of the finest that I've ever been able to get my hand on they are the sharpest knif out of the box and they're some of the easiest to resharpen when you dull the blade I take them everywhere that I go I have them in every vehicle that I own and every backpack that I ever take into the back country specifically my favorite blade of theirs is the speed goo it's lightweight but so incredibly capable I never leave home without it if you're familiar with Montana Knife Company you know it is often very difficult to get one of their blades because they sell out within minutes of being released what you should be able to find in stock are the Blackfoot 2.0 speed goat or a Stonewall Skinner and if you use the code change agents 10 that's going to net you 10% off of your first order again my personal favorite blade is the speed goat if they have them in stock right now don't mess around put it in your cart and complete the checkout Montana Knife Company they build working knives for working people and like I said at the beginning I could not be more proud to collaborate with them on change agents season [Music] [Music] 2 there's a lot of things I like about the mountain tff program but I think primarily what I enjoy is they focus on mental toughness in addition to just the physical toughness everything they do is grounded in one purpose life Transformations and being strong between the years in the mind and there's also community of 15,000 plus Mountain toou athletes so the community is strong they're supportive and they're going to help keep you accountable so you can train anywhere you can stream anywhere you can access guided training and On Demand workouts right from your phone your tablet or TV or computer whatever you're into and everything you need is in one spot the mountain tff subscription gets you access to all the mountain tff programs new programs and bonus content and they have programs for everyone those who hit the gym in heavy weights those who like to workout at home with no gear or minimal gear and everything in between Mountain tff has been The Trusted training by the dedicated for years now including US military Special Forces and dedicated Backcountry Hunters there is no excuse for you to not start the day with mountaint you can conquer your goals with the ideal program for your lifestyle and schedule train with equipment or just your body weight on your phone tablet TV or web browser most importantly they will help you train your mindsets you are always ready for anything that life throws away Mountain tff subscribers get full access to world class home and gym programs groundbreaking mental toughness training self-improvement prehab and Rehab biomechanical form coaching stretching and Mobility flows nutrition guidance challenge workouts and the global Mountain tff meeting mountaint is offering change agents listeners an incredible offer you're going to get 40% off on the allnew mountain tff plus annual subscription with the code change agent go to mn.com and enter the code change agents to receive 40% off a savings of about $100 on your Mountain tff plus annual subscription that is MTM Mike Tango november.com and ENT the code change agents to save 40% that is less than 50 cents per day for the best in-class physical and mental train it's funny to me the focus when it comes to EDC on the things that make holes versus the focus on the things that plug holes and from a and you know statistics can be modeled to kind of prove points if you want to but even in my own life postmilitary I have been a first responder on accident scenes multiple times at this point and you are so much more likely to be needed in a life-saving capacity than you are in a life-taking capacity and I I believe both tools I'm not even going to weigh the ratio I think they're both essential but it is it's kind of shocking to see how much emphasis is put on the lethal tools versus the life-saving ones and I think that's an easy step that people can make I was going through my vehicle the other day I mean before I wrecked the Bronco which is now at your HQ we were talking about all the stuff that was in there but I'm driving my truck and I opened up the glove box and seven tourniquets fell out because one is none two is one and seven is better than all of those things apparently but those are the things that I have used postmilitary career I have applied a tourning kit when I long ago actually is still in the military when a guy tried to for whatever reason cut his arm off with a band saw one of my neighbors I threw a tourniquet on there I was getting ready to throw an IV in and when the paramedics showed up they looked at me like I was from space like what are you doing I'm like I don't know this is what we're kind of been taught how to do never I mean thankfully never had to shoot anybody in the US and I don't want to but I do want to be a value ad in whatever situation that I am in and the stats largely favor life- saving over life-taking for sure kind of like you mentioned um another situation that is statistically anomalous for people to encounter and I know you've done so many videos on this on the uh the mic force page or just even on your YouTube channel and it's something that I know people worry about and it's active Shooters how would you recommend that people prepare for or even act if they encounter an active shooter situation I know there are so many variables from distance to what they may have on them from an EDC perspective but what would be your overarching um perspective on that well let me give you an interesting statistic since we were talking about first a to bridge this um I was pretty alarmed by this and you might even be alarmed by this I don't think I've told you this before um a a surgeon once told me in the United States and this is very recently that 90 plus percent of active shooting victims are shot in the Torso not the extremity and and I I had to take a step back because I've been teaching extremity stopping of the bleed forever yeah because in combat we do a lot of that and the reason we do a lot of that is because we we wear body armor so you take a couple on the plate you take a couple in the arm and then you have to manage that bleed but civilians don't wear body armor and likely because the active shooter is is moving very rapidly potentially under stress they're just shooting center mass and when they do that they're putting rounds in the upper torso which is a c which is causing several issues including bleeding in the chest attention NE or thorax so on and so forth yeah everybody will carry a tourniquet but very few people will carry a chest seal or know the protocol how to needle decompress I mean the first time I needle decompressed somebody wasn't in combat was actually on the streets of fatv North Carolina when I was behind a buddy who got in a vehicle accident and I had to put a chesto on him and then needle decompress him in the middle of the street I would say um there's definitely a protocol and first aid on person to make sure you manage your stopping of the bleed but understanding an active shooting is is likely to be a mass casualty event outside of that we have our own protocol for for active shooter which is very different than the government protocol the government protocol is run hiide fight we know how run hiide fight for example worked at Virginia Tech in 2011 when 30 plus people were killed in that school by one shooter with and I want to add to that yeah I was going to say I think you're about to say it and I want to add to that that was by Two Pistols I believe one was a 22 and one was a 9 mm and often times if not most of the time people use an active Su situation to bring into the conversation an AR platform type rifle which stands for ArmaLite rifle not assault rifle for people's edification the most catastrophic mass shooting we've ever had in this country was by pistols and I think that's important for people to remember yeah that's super important because it it had um little to do with a particular platform and more to do with the psychology tactics that were utilized by the shooter who whose name was Sam Cho now when he went into the school the first thing he did is he locked the doors with chains and locks and prevented anybody from escaping if they follow the protocol which I I'm uh Bas on the information that I've read on the case study very in depth um I I'm one to believe that the teachers enacted the protocol which was run hi High fight when they did so they had nowhere to run so we checked that block where are they hiding anybody who hides doesn't hide in a position to fight they hide in a position to hide so they're getting small they're getting underneath things which prevents them for being able to react appropriately to potentially fight for their life 90 plus perc of the people who were shot and killed were shot in the head while they were cowering in fear uh hovering uh their hands over their head in some capacity and were shot uh his his sop was to walk into a room shoot each and every individual student that was hiding underneath her desk then he walked into the hallway reloaded and then he repeated the process that whole entire deal for him um didn't take a lot of time before he killed himself before SWAT entered the the actual room and it's very unfortunate but when you look at that protocol just like we understand emergency procedures where protocols like that come from we are trying to reduce the amount of time it takes for somebody to cognitively process information and we want them to react just like a fighter pilot doesn't have time to think things over and go through analysis he has to react based on the symptoms so if we if we just take that for a second when you're running what direction are you running have we put in any information that um we're we have a protocol for where to run when we hide where are you hiding when you fight how are you fighting so in our in our acronym it's observe fight and flee or flee and fight inversely and the reason that is is because you have to assess important information when you observe and you're taking in information it's like oh he's down the hallway on the right so obviously I need to as a protocol flee but I need to go the opposite potential Direction because the further I am off the X the the more likely I am to survive um in the flee and flight capacity I need to always be moving I don't need to you know curiosity kill the cat I don't need to be investigating what's going on I needed to be be displacing most of the students of Virginia Tech that survived did so because they're teacher allowed them to escape through the window they crashed through the window and they were jumping down even from the second story of that particular floor and and that's what allowed them to survive by getting away from the situation and those that fought were actually at a higher rate of survival than those that didn't because those that fought despite some of them dying and and and getting shot through the door even and paying with their life a teacher uh who was a a World War II veteran a a young man who was pushing the door and preventing them from entering certainly prevented life but they paid for it with their own lies but they died fighting anybody who didn't fight and who was hiding certainly perished so having a protocol to fight what does that mean what means when I'm hiding if I if I get into a position to hide maybe I'm not necessarily putting my hands over my head and getting underneath a desk or in a closet maybe I am positioning myself to potentially fight now this is a two-hour podcast that I've done before on the education of this we're just talking kind of high level there's certain principles that we have to follow but I think Run High fight as a protocol is a very poor protocol do you know who actually created that particular protocol the Run hiide fight uh it was a government study I don't know the particular person that did it but it was a government study that was done on active shooting and and generally speaking it was law enforcement agencies and buy in with government uh um um approval processes that allow that protocol to become what it is interesting yeah no so I mean I guess this next question it was an AC of shoo situation for sure you know it's a real-time study in violent events you look at what has happened uh previously or what is ongoing in Israel and let's shove the conversation that would be hours long of you know the politics involved in that and who did what and why did what and and again all of those things should be and have been and should continue to be wildly unpacked um but let's just view this through the lens of armed terrorists taking over neighborhoods what when you watch that situation what are your takeaways about preparedness and awareness and vigilance in violent situations yeah that's a good question I mean the the tragedy that happened on October 7th in Israel had a lot to do with protocol it had a lot of to do with culture and you look at you look at Israel and they have a mandatory service obligation for every single civilian that is born and raised in Israel they have to serve in the Israeli Defense Force at some capacity when you when you look at that protocol um it's a very good protocol for a fairly low population of people surrounded by a lot of people that hate them and want to see their demise but if they're not equipped but they're trained then there's a gap I mean the Gap is is like you could have all the mindset in the world you could be a a warrior in your mind if you don't have the tools when confronted then it's all for nothing so I I think one of the things that was sad was there were plenty of people who are willing to fight in fact there were many stories of people who displaced and then came back into the fight some of them unarmed they used their vehicle and they try to get people off the X including their own family members but if they were armed and and they were responsible armed because they were trained as a protocol in the IDF they would have had a fighting chance and and you know you look at that kind of thing that happened and and on October 6 you would say that would never happen um Israel supposedly for a year knew in advance that that threat was potential but you know like people try to narrowly point to that as as some kind of conspiracy it's like we're we always know there's a threat coming we got fire bases uh had fire bases in the middle of nowhere where we got the call in the middle of the night said hey this is an Intel officer from whatever agency uh you you guys have an impending attack hang up the phone and then after about the 10th time you're like yeah okay well I I guess that's always a thing right so if they were prepared with the equipment and they had a plan and protocol in emergency preparedness as a community they would have been more prepared um outside of the institutional preparedness which is lackluster to say the say the best or to say the least if you say if you look at the situation where um you know a 3 six n hour drive depending on where you're located and where you attacked that response time should have set and establish a specific protocol in the specific Community because of that if there's only five security guards from the IDF that are policing up my community I need to be prepared for the worst case scenario often because of complacency we're prepared for the best case scenario so prepare for the worst hope for the best and and in this case um there are a lot of things that they can repair I think based on this the information that I've taken in I I don't think they'll ever make that mistake at the end yeah yeah I think one of for me one of the main things that highlights in these situations as well it seemed as if to a degree there was a level of shock and awe on is Israel's side that this was happening and it just speaks to how important your velocity is in your reaction how making decisions quickly and then acting on them it's not like is it like like you mentioned you could have the you could be a warrior and you bring fists to a gunfight I hate to tell you how that's likely going to work out especially at distance if you need to cover the distance of a rifle I mean good luck with that but the velocity that you make those decisions can truly impact how egregious these C uh that that particular catastrophe or ones like it can be at least in my opinion so worst case scenarios I feel like this question is like what you daydream about all day long so there's a new Netflix movie It's called Leave the World Behind have you seen it I have yes it's great okay so per exactly I knew that you were like yes I have my morning coffee and think about this so for those who haven't seen it which includes myself but that'll change rapidly it depicts a scenario where a massive Cyber attack knocks out power in telecommunication sparking widespread civil unrest looking at that through the lens of somebody who lives in the US how vulnerable do you think that we are in the US to this type of attack and then added to that what do you think people should do in a situation where comms and electricity are taken offline yeah this is my favorite question by far um so so yeah Leave the World Behind is a is a great depiction of the potential and I think we're closer to than that than we've ever been in history because the advancement of technology to include AI but Power grids the list goes on a study was done on power grids in the United States um and this study proposed that the 4,000 plus power grid locations that primarily feed and network the country to electricity there's about a dozen that if hit would shut down electricity for up to a year in the United States this happens all over the country and we see what happens in just a 24-hour period when we lose power in Buffalo New York or New York City or San Diego California just for a short period of time all these characteristic things that take place are what we would see on a grand scale with more time that went by um we see exploitation of of of people we see the abuse of powers we see um people pillaging and and stealing and violently attacking we see all the things that take place here's my concern with technology we've bought into the idea that it's bringing us more efficiency and further optimizing our life in the future that is creating less dependency on our own self-reliance and more dependency on a a government institution a a building and a government protocol uh when you hear uh politicians say we should adopt a power grid nationally that allows us to turn off the garage lights in your home to sa power if you left your garage lights on that's scary because we're creating more dependency on and more weakness that could be compromised and exploited like when this this Chinese balloon came across the country I wasn't thinking this is a spy balloon I was thinking this is an Ops test this is certainly an operations test to evaluate the security protocols because when we were testing in the 50s and 60s nuclear explosive devices that were detonated in our atmosphere our upper atmosphere we are testing electromagnetic poles and so that that proed to be a very telling story of the Potential Threat that lied that's why after that test nothing was talked about in that in that field um it's like they literally just stopped all the testing they like oh my God and and there's there's proof and evidence that this was so dramatic of a of a thing because everything was classified post that explosion so I think we're in a situation now where we are tethered too much to technology I mean the hydroelectric Dam that feeds electricity to my house right now if that thing was compromised it would shut down all the power and there would be no contingency in place there's no other power grid to plug in we there's not solar panels Tethered to the the neighborhood that I'm living in so what would I do I mean the food in my fridge would expire in a couple days um I would have no ability for running water I would have no ability as a sewage system I would have no ability outside of my the gas that's in my vehicle to even fill up my tank at the local gas station because it's a power pump Tethered to electricity I I think this is this is what the world sees and when you look at when you look at a crisis and catastrophe on a grand scale it's a couple foreign powers maybe even just one realizing which they already realized their foreign uh intelligence Services already realized this a long time ago that the way that they take down America is by further making our systems dependent on system taking away self-reliance and then shutting it down nearly just flipping the lights off and what will happen when you turn off the lights all the Cockroaches will come out and it will be complete utter chaos we see it in civil unrest we see it in in 24hour cycle power outages I can't imagine if the grid was shut down for an indefinite period of time yeah that uh trying to think the quote if something like we're N9 meals away from Anarchy at any given time something like like that if something truly catastrophic happened you know nine meals obviously three meals a day depending on who you are sometimes I eat nine in a day so maybe that's one day for me three days for others but that's how far away we are from just basically true Anarchy which is that's a rough one um and we haven't even really talked about natural disasters yet and I know you did a video um on this but in 2022 there was a blizzard and I believe it was on the east coast and it stranded hundreds of motorists and I believe you did a video specifically I think it was a woman who was maybe 400 yard from her house something like that but got trapped in her car I believe she expired um and my reason for bringing this up is most people travel throughout the course of their day to go to their job you know Co was a little bit weird some remote work type stuff but a lot of people are based in their vehicle for a good period of time throughout the day what do you recommend people have in their vehicle yeah good question I I I think in that case you know it was a freak winter storm but aren't all these catastroph freak something I mean AR aren't they aren't they seemingly reported as anomalies but they seem to be happening more often or is it they've always happened and they're just being reported on and talked about more often I think that's that's more the case so you know when it comes to vehicle preparedness Mobility preparedness you know we've been we've been doing a lot more Mobility trips together we got some um planed in the future in 2024 the thing I tell people all the time is if you plan for recreation especially you know having fun and recreating in the back country of America you're likely preparing for the worst case scenario and and so what do I mean by that well if you're detached from um infrastructure if you're you know 200 miles from a gas station if you're two hours from First Response then you have to fill the Gap with your own protocols some of those will be communication for example um you're not going to have sell reception in the back country so what should you have well me and you the other day when we were with origin jumping uh you were jumping out of helicopters and I was managing the Drop Zone we were communicating via text on inreach devices which use sat based Communications teathered through a cell phone network in order for us to be able to communicate and that's foolproof pretty much with power um and that could be even even solar power for the small electronic devices that we have that's a great means of communication because the satellites will continue to rotate around our orbit in space when this cell phone infrastructure power grid goes down so Communications is important as a priority I would have as as a pace plan primary alternate and contingency will'll cover the primary should be your cell phone the alternate should be sat aridium based communication and the contingency should be any RF based Communications to include gmrs or ham radio and it's a little complicated but um it's one googleable step away before Google B you know shuts down your Google B tactics shut down so reference that and have that communication s most people die in Back Country open exposure type events from hypothermia and that girl actually died from not hypothermia she died from carbon monoxide poisoning because her the snow level went up to her exhaust she was using the heater smartly in her vehicle the insulation which is mild at best and the heater to keep herself warm she died it happens but most people die in back country from hypothermia because they get exposed to the elements have a myar space blanket have a myar bivy sack have a sleeping bag in the trunk that's a void where you don't have anything back there anyway have it uh even during uh summer days because it could be 115 degrees in Phoenix Arizona if you're in a vehicle accident you're bleeding you potentially could become hypothermic I mean when you lose blood your core body temperature reduces so have that as a plan and and I would say definitely not not last there's plenty other options but as a priority have the ability to treat first aid as it applies to Vehicles we see a lot of burn victims in vehicles because you're driving a vehicle with a 15 gallon at a minimum fuel tank underneath it if you're in a vehicle accident and or you come across a vehicle accident where there's a burn victim not understanding protocols could actually do further harm for example putting bandages or putting water on a burn victim is the worst thing you could do simply have burn bandages and understand that protocol and have that in your vehicle have all the things Tethered to First Aid uh for example um have the ability to Sams splint a wound uh if you break or injure your neck or your extremity you need to isolate and immobilize because you have to get to a higher level of care and you're not typically thinking about that when you're thinking about treating the injury you have to actually transport the injured to include yourself potentially a long time over whatever kind of conditions that you're at so have that ability um last lastly let me fill this Gap it's recovery and maintenance we ran into this in the back country of Moab we had um we had imagery that showed a route that didn't exist you know we adapt I think it was man I I'm glad that media wasn't there but I wish secretly there was like a third party filming that entire thing because it could have been a great documentary on the mindset and the technical skill sets of people who are trained because nobody got stressed out everybody worked together we adapted and we did so um happily and because we're trained that was just a life experience that was real really fun but for most people they would have fall apart I mean some people would just quit trying to start a fire probably couldn't start a fire and then tried to call SOS and S up the the the uh the balloon um be prepared in the back country with maintenance and Recovery that's going to facilitate your mechanical tool to get out of Harm's Way if something happens it could be a a tire flat I mean we had a we we lost the side puncture we lost a tire but we we did a NASCAR pit change and change it in like two minutes and we're back on the road um and able to continue if we didn't have that it would have been a lot more difficult to get out of that situation but we plan for contingencies and we have the right equipment how essential do you think evans's bucket was as as far as our survival goes on that particular Evolution that bucket man I don't I still it's like a mystery it's like and I and I want to explain to people what I'm talking about I'm not using a code word I am talking about a white five gallon bucket that I assume was sourced at a Ace Hardware or a Home Depot that had about a half a flat of 12 ounce bottles of water stuffed in it and I didn't even look at what was underneath that but that was his suitcase for the day and I just don't have any explanations for it but we had a bucket I thought there was coffee in it because it had coffee stickers and Evans the coffee guy and there wasn't anything in it but a whole bunch of crap and I'm like and it was taking up all the space when we needed the space when we cross loaded and I was like oh that's unfortunate like now we have this bucket to deal with but yeah but we but we had a crapper if we needed a poop in it if we had to fetch water we had some things yeah you know when you're talking about all the stuff in the vehicle whether it be recovery or bandages or treating people space myar blankets I just want to double tap the importance of something that you already brought up and I don't want to make this a Garmin commercial but those in reaches I just got back from a 10-day trip in Costa Rica with my family which is from a communication perspective there's very few places there that you're not going to have sell coverage but my in reach I carried uh the fanny pack that you actually gave me for that trip the gray one that came out obviously the firearm compartment did not have a firearm in it because I don't feel feel like going in uh to International jail but in that at all times it was literally this micro garment inreach when we were back country before uh you sabotaged the Bronco with your route selection in the attempt to ruin my vehicle um when that happened we were not in cell coverage we were very deep inside of a channelized Terrain but we were immediately able to communicate to people our situation they started asking for help we were able to coordinate a pickup at the house that we were able to make our way back to um my wife had already started started looking at recovery companies and all of that was based on a simple device like you said that connected to the cell phone and even at worst case scenario say your cell phone goes down because the batteries on the inrees are far superior than modern cell phones that thing has a button where in worst case scenario you could push it it is in my mind inexcusable for people to do anything where communication may be even a a consideration without having one of those devices that ability to communicate enhances all of those things you have a burn victim and you apply the right treatment get in touch of a higher level of care and start working towards each other as opposed to trying to work to a place where you have self service and then you're behind the power curve it's just I get that there's a cost to it but what's the price you're willing to pay for not having one of those things yeah I I've already committed a long time ago to that membership fee and I think it's like 14 bucks a month or something like that yeah it's variable and you can change it you can scale it up and down and you can cancel it at the end of every month it's just there really are no excuses to not have one yeah I wish I selfishly I wish I was sponsored by Garmin because I I love the product so much most significantly it's giving you where you're at it's giving you the imagery where you need to go and if you get lost it has the ability to SOS and to reach out no other devices have that ability even transponding on rf-based communication devices on the universal SOS channel is is likely not going to be taken seriously as a deliberate protocol to a center that is designed like my favorite thing I ever did was when I set up that account I accidentally didn't I was kind of fumbling through it trying to navigate how to use it and my son picked it up and pushed the SOS button and I said yes and I tried to cancel it and then my cell phone rang and it said hey this is Garmin SOS are are you okay and I'm like yeah I'm actually okay and thank God and then I was completely sold sold on it and hell we should have a garment sponsorship because it's the best morning everybody as you know change agents is an ironclad original but what you may not know is that for over a decade Ironclad has worked with Brands and individuals to create worldclass films series podcasts and AD campaigns in fact I've been working with Ironclad for the past few years I was introduced to them on a project through the Navy SEAL Foundation I've worked with them on a variety of projects even up here in Montana long before they proposed the idea of change agents to me they're the best in their field and I say that because there are plenty of people out there looking for the best looking for the cream crop looking for the top of the triangle and if you're looking for that you need to look no further than Ironclad if you ever need media by way of film a series podcast or ad campaigns they have you covered you can reach out today and follow them anywhere at this is Ironclad the Amper sand and then this is Ironclad or visit them online this is Ironclad decom again www this is Ironclad decom you know here's just uh a natural disaster situation I don't hear talked about very much but it's it has to do with water supplies what do you suggest people do if their water supply is affected whether it be natural contamination whatever the contamination may be or their access to it is shut off I don't hear people talking about this particular situation much yeah it's it's the greatest question because we understand the rules of Threes you know this this uh idea that you can't go more than three hours or three hours without um what is it three hours without I I don't even know what the three hours is the three days without uh water uh 30 days without food when you look at water it's very anatomically um you know dependent I would say you know some people like I can't go a couple hours without water and when you start deteriorating because you're not hydrated your cognition obviously is affected and so water is very important here's where people get water wrong they stockpile water not to say that's a bad thing but water as a collected vessel at six plus pounds a gallon takes up a lot of space right it takes up a lot of space what you need to do more importantly is have that and the protocol for capturing water blets and bladders are the best I mean don't forget buckets but you have to have a white bucket with a Black Rifle coffee sticker um all these vessels are important and it's it's funny because I was watching this Leave the World Behind show and movie and I I am I'm like the guy in the Tactical movie where I'm preemptively going why is he not doing this he needs to do this and I said when the character Julia Roberts was uh talking about what to do next I said guys you need to fill the bathtubs the sinks and every vessel every bucket with water and she literally said that like right after she's like we need to fill the bathtubs with water right and the guy's like no we don't need to do that you need to do that right out the right out the gate when your water shut down you need to have a stockpile of water and when you know it's impending that you might run out of water you need to fill as many vessels and devices that you or vessels and containers as you have with water the important component to water is there's a filtration aspect that most primitive survivalists and products focus on filtration is like the easiest part of it it's sanitization that's the most important part protozoa bacteria all these viruses that live in water that's what's going to kill you in fact what's going to kill you in every survival circumstance we know this from um the whole Christopher Columbus kind of deal it's going to be the disease it's going to the virus it's going to be the bacteria that kills you the quickest you need to prevent that and the best way to do it uh on a large scale is household bleach household bleach it is it is ludicrous the hundreds of thousands of gallons that you could sanitize with one big container of household bleach it's the same concept behind iodine tablets or chlorine dioxide where you just need a little bit of that in order to to sanitize the water now you still got to purify it but that process is pretty easy one of the best products that I found recently that I recommend everybody having uh there's some downfalls with it is the Grail system which is a Grail is a container it's a vessel that you could procure the water so you have the container and then you push through the filtering system through the water and by the time it hits the bottom because of the way the filter is designed it purifies and sanitizes everything that's in in the water now the downfall is you have to work from water so to water source um as a recommendation for people in general contain as much water as as you can what most people forget about water is a consideration for hygiene and for cooking you need water to cook to purify and you need and you need water to clean your ass so set that aside because that's actually more water than you need every single day to keep yourself alive so have an excessive amount of water I have a 550 gallon container of water and behind me that for my family will last several months that you're like what 550 gallons that's that's a whole lot of water yeah that only lasts a couple months so what are what are my Alternatives freshwater sources um water that I could tap into understanding if you have connection to city water or if you have connection to wellwater all of those things are important to understand and having a plan to capture contain sanitize and purify are important I like it all right so for people who are watching this and listening to this and they have the realization like holy I didn't even realize what I don't know I hadn't even thought about a lot of these situations I have knowledge gaps or skill gaps that I need to bridge or I want to bridge where would you point people where can people learn more the best way is honestly and I hate to to plug myself here in this is the book I mean the reason I wrote prepared a manual for surviving worst case scenarios is because I couldn't find anything that set a protocol and went into the weeds yeah sure everybody has their their acronym or or their Concepts and their philosophies but nobody has like an instruction manual like here's how it works and here's some things that you could do I can't wait to write the revised version because like even with our situation in Moab I learned a lot from that I want to be able to continue to build that out but as a base that that those principles four intangibles and three Tang able principles of preparedness is a good start point and selfishly plugging myself again because nobody else is doing it we have a app that is online based content and you could download that content and tether it to a device so in the worst case scenario when you don't have technology integrated into uh the internet you literally could have the offline version of that education um I would say lastly every single piece of information that you reference buy the book and and shove it that the books behind me which is about a thousand books are all on survival and I don't have that because I'm well I'm a nerd in survival but I I have it as a reference because when all the machine shut down and I need to reference basic mechanics um water purification basic protocols and homesteading those are the books that I'm going to be able to utilize that aren't going away what would you I'll let you close it out for our hour because we're coming up to the end of it just any closing thoughts you might have what would you leave people with just your personal thoughts on Preparation arrogance and ignorance will kill the most um most people either are arrogant and or ignorant to the fact that it would happened to them because it currently hasn't happened to them as we both know because we work with law enforcement we we educate them we Mentor them we train them a an entire department and institution in law enforcement could change all of its protocols based on one catastrophic officer involved shooting or trauma and and when that happens it's because we look back and we say holy crap why didn't we do that why didn't we change that in the first place and it's because they're not thinking preemptively they're not thinking in advance and preparing for an uncertain future so set aside your arrogance and ignorance to the fact and just realize that being prepared replaces this paranoia Gap this lack of confidence Gap with confidence and understanding that education is inviable and when you need it you'll have it and and if for you to like go through an experience and hopefully survive and then realize you need it afterwards I don't want people to be um set up for failure that way so just whatever you can do in whatever way apply preparedness in some way to your life it doesn't have to be overwhelming just do a little bit and then start to build off that preparedness lastly is not a hobby I think it's more of a lifestyle it's a way of life and sure it's it could be inconvenient but if it's if it's convenient and you can integrate it into your life you're more likely to do it and that's how you become more prepared if you enjoyed today's episode you want to learn more about Mike Glover in fieldcraft survival please visit fieldcraft survival.com thank you again for listening to changing an ironclad original proudly presented by Montana Knife Company and we are going to be back next week with an alln episode see you then

Channel: IRONCLAD

Views: 202,398

Keywords: Mike Glover, fieldcraft survival, special forces, andy stumpf, change agents with andy stumpf, active shooter, mass shooting, navy seal, school shootings, true crime, survival, united states, change agents, leave the world behind, this is ironclad, ironclad, True Crime, Epstein Associates, Epstein Court Case Update, jeffrey epstein 150 names, epstein island, cia, human trafficking, little black book, jeffrey epstein, Human Rights Violations, social issues, food security

Id: hR4NkhtTVHw

Length: 66min 41sec (4001 seconds)

Published: Wed Jan 10 2024