What If Milton Lied About Micah Being A Rat?

you'll be dead sure but I'm going to be just fine we offered you a deal Mr Morgan should have taken [Music] it I'm a Fool Mr Milton not all you boys have quite so many Scruples old Micah Bell Micah you mean Molly Molly o'sa sweated her a couple of times never talked a word had to let her go Micah Bell we picked him up when boys came back from the Caribbean and he's been a good boy ever since did agent Milton lie to Arthur about M working with the Pinkerton and if so why so this is something that has always been a question of mine and it's not because I like Micah or anything of the sort if you look at my videos I try to actually look at all the characters we see in the game and analyze their actions personality and pretty much everything else that we tend to evaluate in order to judge the merits of a person's character and I try to do that in as much of an unbiased or prejudiced way as possible and honestly no matter how you SCE it at the end of the day Micah is still a horrible person he receives a letter from his brother basically telling him if he ever sees him again he will kill Micah just because the moment he became a father he vowed to protect his kids from any kind of evil in this world an evil that he says Micah specifically embodies that should be enough to tell you how bad of a person Micah is but it's not Rockstar gives us plenty of other examples such as watch SE him kick the camp dog get out of here you damn parasite I was told you can even find him pushing Jack occasionally around Camp to be honest with you I tried finding some footage but I can't find anything that doesn't show Jack being abused by some character that's modded basically so whether if you can actually find mic a pushing Jack or not I've never witnessed it myself and I've never found pure footage of that but if it does happen please let me know where and how you can get that to basically happen and if you don't mind maybe consider hitting the Subscribe button if you like what you see but moving on that is just scratching the surface of Micah throughout Beaver Hollow we see Micah poking fun of Arthur for being sick countless of times and how Micah enjoys finally being Dutch's lap dog all too happy to push John and Arthur to the Wayside and cowpoke you take it easy you could do with a vacation h again not a good person his likeability and morality though are not the same as his weapon skill or how deadly of a person Micah is all Bs aside Micah is objectively a very valuable asset provided he listens and doesn't go off doing what he does best tormenting innocent people he is a skilled Gunslinger and provided if events were different circumstances were different I think the duo or even Trio between Arthur and Micah or Arthur Micah and John would have been an insane group of men to cross in a way an argument can also be made that although Micah liked to in his own words annoy Arthur there isn't any concrete malice from him towards Arthur at least not at the start of the game not to the point where anyone can really definitively say Micah does not like him does he see Arthur as a threat at the start 100% does he test the water and continuously back down in the beginning not willing to experience firstand what ARS capable of doing without a doubt but the thing is when it comes to the writing and all the characters presented within this game just enough is left open to interpretation that some characters some relationships some instances can be given the benefit of the doubt or even looked at entirely differently there's so much ambiguity at times that there's enough Credence to Theory some people would never expect other rats Beyond just Micah some people say could have been John could have been Abigail could have been Pearson trani I even heard someone say one time Arthur might have been a snitch himself and went down a rabbit hole but the point is there's enough to open where you can give the benefit of the doubt in certain instances and Mike is a very complex character he's not exactly one-dimensional he was portrayed so well that a lot of people hate him it's not unjustified but it's hard to say for sure if he genuinely respected and liked Arthur at the start of the game and because of Arthur getting sick and his mentality changing and him going from doing any and everything that it took to please Dutch and satisfy the gang to now doing anything and everything he can to save as many lives as he could in a mind such as Micah that could be seen as weakness and just how weak can be disappointed in family members brothers friends fathers cousins uncles and we start treating them differently or we start poking fun at what we perceive as weakness or if they betrayed us and we're upset about it some people like to agitate and lash out doing just this fits Micah's personality to a te in a weird way if Rockstar chose to expand more on the dynamic and relationship between Mike and Arthur it may well have been more interesting than the relationship between Arthur and John because even Arthur is ruthlessly pragmatic at times Micah even when he crossed the line had Dutch's protection and there's not a sibling rivalry between Micah and Arthur as there is with Arthur and John so there's no bringing up the past or irrelevant stuff from your childhood it's simply your mistakes and what you do at this point in time everything that happened as a child is irrelevant it's all about what you're doing now how it affects the gang how it affects us in this current bank robbery Stage Coach robbery or anything else that they're getting into at the time but I always wanted to see the releas ship or lack of one further explored Mike has only ever seen in a light that agitates Arthur and causes problems making us hate him all the more again not defending him I'm just saying how differently some of our opinions may have been swayed by a mission or two where the dynamic between Arthur and mic is further explored I mean think of all the people who after seeing Micah's reaction when Shawn got killed at least had respect for his weapon handl skills after that mission they may all hate him still he still sucks ass as a character but this simple show of what he can do is enough to Garner players respect as a gun singer but going back to Milton why do I think he would even lie about Micah well let's consider the history and what Milton knows about the gang let's do it working backwards in the final exchange between Milton and Arthur Milton claims Mike has been the rat the entire time Arthur surprised responds with no doesn't he mean Molly we offered you a deal Mr Morgan should have taken [Music] it I'm a Fool Mr mton not all you boys have quite so many Scruples old Micah Bell Micah you mean Molly Molly OA sweated her a couple of times never talked a word had to let her go Micah Bell we picked him up when your boys came back from the Caribbean and he's been a good boy ever since Arthur believed it was Molly because Molly herself claimed she was was the one de feeding information to the pinkertons out of anger Dutch wasn't giving her the attention she demanded so consequently she claims she told the Pinkerton everything Molly appeared to be drunk and was visibly upset upon this Revelation needless to say the mixture of being angry and alcohol leads people to say and do moronic things she's been Sid Steed this entire time and it appears Dutch only gives his attention to those that could only further his interest at the time interest that typically revolves around money or getting the law off of their backs Molly could very well have felt neglected and Powerless powerless to help the gang powerless to help Dutch and forced to up and move time and time again with a final time in the midst of the aftermath of the failed sandon bank robbery angry and maybe finally feeling she can have went over Dutch the man that had paid so little attention to her this entire time her way of getting even was taking credit for the hardship this man has endured without thinking this may cost her life angry spiteful vengeful anything to feel better about ourselves to get even with those that have made us feel like fools I don't think it's completely out of the norm for her version of telling Dutch and everyone else around here [ __ ] you but admitting all the [ __ ] they're being dragged through all the hardship that they're having to deal with yeah that's thanks to her an interesting idea to bring up is even if Milton denied Molly snitching we can at least confirm she has been picked up at least once Milton says he sweated her a few times and Molly did admit to talking so between the two of them she had have been addressed at least once by the pinkertons maybe she was the rat and slowly leaked information going more and more in depth as Dutch's negligence towards her continued maybe seeing how close Micah was slowly getting to Dutch she struck up a deal and asked Milton to place Micah as the rat in his early as hesho Overlook Micah can be seen suing up to Dutch telling him how incredible he is how special he is how there's no one that he's ever met that's remotely close to him who's to say Micah didn't drive a wedge making Molly more resent for what the two of them revealing to Milton exactly who Michael was the extent he's willing to go and admitting he's far more unpredictable and worse than Arthur ever was I wish there was more information out there tied to how much the world or just the pinkton knows about each individual vanderlin member and to what extent their affiliation with the gang or even to Dutch is because it would make a lot of speculation so much easier and I wouldn't have to constantly refer to this one and only scene where Milton addresses the gang in a somewhat diplomatic way because in this one interaction we don't see every single vanderlin gang member they're not all present it looks like Milton's aware of who Dutch josea and Arthur are of course Jose has assumed Arthur Milton already met and John well he's Rip Van Winkle good day fine people Mr vanderland Mr Matthews I presume and who are you Rip Van Winkle huh good day sir if we go off of this cut scene alone Milton appears to have very limited knowledge of each individual gang member the actual numbers in each individual member's rap sheet both what they have done on their own valtion or tied to other gangs and then what they have done for this specific gang and as I said a moment ago Micah unfortunately is not in this cutscene which does give Credence to Micah working with the pon sooner rather than later that is not the timeline Milton gives us though on the one hand Micah isn't always present if Milton said he was working with him all along long before the s bank robbery went downhill or during the middle of the gang getting involved in the Rivalry between the Grays and the braith weights that would have been much more believable because we can't account for what Mike is up to during that time it's not until Beaver Hollow where we see the most of him and during the events of Clement's Point Mike is possibly even working with the adris Scholls or at least actively looking for a way to get rid of Arthur as seen with his lack of enthusiasm upon Arthur's return to Camp something you would think he would look at as a blessing Dutch constantly shows an eagerness to to deal with col any chance he gets would this not be the prime opportunity for Micah to come up to Dutch and propose a plan to get rid of his rival once and for all his rival who crossed the line by kidnapping Arthur playing them all for a bunch of fools this gives even more suspicion that he plays a hand in Arthur's kidnapping at the hands of col's men from the very start but let's not get distracted guarma or after guarma is where Milton places Micah's cooperation I find that a little difficult to believe because of a few reasons you're going to tell me Michel was picked up by the pinkertons by mistake this slimy bastard that always has his guard up is fully aware of the heat he and the rest of the gang members returning from guarma will have on him managed to slip and get captured how is he the only one to be captured better yet if he got picked up immediately after guarma why would he tell the pon the gang is hiding out in lay lake and put himself in a position of Harm's Way Milton immediately opens fire on the shack to arrest you come out with your hands up give them to a count of five then give them everything actually down the same sha Micah himself is hiding in unless Milton does what Ross does in the first game and already made up his mind that these are horrible men horrible people that cannot be trusted or allowed to live there's no Reformation or Redemption whatsoever it's plausible then that Milton promised Micah some kind of clemency and then here and now saw a golden opportunity to just rid everyone at the same time and Micah an knowing Milton was going to arrive with a full Maxim gun and an entire Army set to just kill placed himself in the shack unaware of the fire power that Milton was just going to arrive with or the fact that he was going to be placed in front of said Firepower and with all of that considered that brings another question when if Micah really was working with Pon did his cooperation begin how does this fit within the overall timeline Milton claims it's after guarma I placed his cooperation immediately after returning to the area from guarma but right before uniting with everyone at L Lake which I couldn't find a smooth place to say this in so I'm going to say it here I really do think the peeron fighting the entire gang hiding out in the swamps here was Bill's own recklessness well here you is well I asked everyone I could find and eventually someone knew said you fools were out here especially if you put into account how Milton shows up and again Micah being in the shack with everyone else just doesn't make that much sense when you start to break it down it's much more plausible that after the gang was ambushed at La Lake sometime while they were relocating from here to Beaver Hollow Micah was then snatched up by the Pinkerton and that's when the cooperation with them could have began but as far as timelines and direct events we witness firsthand between Micah being placed In Harm's Way from the Pinkerton and what Milton claims is the true beginning of Micah's cooperation with them this would be the most viable option yet even then we would be looking over some key details just looking at how Milton is during this mission in Lay Lake he's visibly agitated at the end of his wits with this gang of savages a gang of murderers and thieves that he has tried to reason with and each time they spit in his face slapped his Olive Branch away and continued on doing something that would only increase their notoriety and consequently the pressure Milton is under to apprehend this gang after he met with Arthur and Horseshoe Overlook Milton gave Arthur an opportunity to hand over Dutch and walk away Arthur instead chose to stay loyal we got a problem what I just met some guys out near the river a fell named um Milton and um I don't remember the other Fell's name Ross Milton and Ross and they are employees of the Pinkerton detective agency and they know about the train and they know we're here were you followed back here no they know we near here and they want you Dutch and the Gang went on to rob a train shoot up Valentine go back later and rob the bank of Valentine get involved with the Rivalry between the graves and braith weights destroying the history of the local area by shooting up the town of roads and burning down braith weight matter events that probably came to Milton's attention after he approached the entire gang in Clement's Point attempting to reason with them again asking for just Dutch and in exchange they will be given 3 Days To Leave disappear and live decent lives somewhere else he says in 3 days time I'll be back with 50 men who's to say when he returns at this point in time now he finds out braith weight Manor was burned down rhs was shot up and the gang is no longer in the area of course they resettle over in shady Bell where they shoot up Shady Bell take it over from the Le Moy Raiders and then get involved with the politics of s eventually killing anelo Bronte attempting to rob the trolley station accused the stealing from the mayor of sandini and even robbed the fery in the harbor of sandon all culminating in them robbing the giant Bank of sandon where Milton manages to capture at least Hosea in the previous interactions Milton may have talked down to these criminals but at least he tried to reason with them now in the middle of sani's tactics and feelings are very different as he says he's given them their chances they made their decisions now it's death it's over no more Bargains no more deals Mr Milton this is America you can always cut a deal I've given you enough chances come [Music] don't and it's here in the middle of sand where for the first time he arrives with a massive amount of Manpower pink Rend and law enforcement on every single Corner this was him showing he means business he will not be taken for a fool and he follows this up with the second show of power of strength of how little he really cares for them or their lives Horse Show overlooking Clem point marks two points where he tries to reason with them and the gang is really in a position where they still have members that may not be considered that deadly they're not entirely all Gunslingers murderers they may be considered thieves but they're not to the same caliber as Arthur Micah or even bill or Javier they're not all enforcers going from Clement's point to sandini we see Milton be much more aggressive he ramps it up because time and again they spit in his face this time while there may be civilians at and chances for innocent people to be killed for the most part he can take out all the enforcers all the Gunslingers all the specific murders within the gang here and yet they managed to escape the next time we see him is in Le Lake everybody in the vanderland gang is huddled into a small decrepit Shack he has every single one of them right where he wants them and they're not going to escape even starts off with a countdown then he says forget it and he gives permission to open fire yet again the vanderlin Gang manages to escape with no casualties the next time we see him although it's very brief is when he was just dismissed from having a meeting with Leviticus Cornwall in annesburg if the gang is going to be bold enough to venture into town and shoot the man that is actually directly funding Milton and the peeron to apprehend them on top of two previous instances where they pulled off this miraculous Escape where there was hundreds of men firing upon them and they somehow still managed to outgun these lawmen these p at least enough to be able to pull together some type of Escape it has to have hammered home to Milton that at the end of the day these men are incredibly skilled they are crafty they are clever the final moment where Arthur has to go and save Abigail and Sadie yes he provided some covering fire from a distance for STI but even then when Sadi disappears into the building Arthur has to clear waves of men in order to make his way to the building that Sadi disappeared into which would then mean that even if Arthur is sick he's he not weak he still has a lot of fight left in him so even if Arthur's on his dying bed like so many people are quick to point out that is true however we can't invalidate all the times Arthur is shown to Milton directly his loyalty lies with Dutch his loyalty lies to this gang a gang that's arguably much worse and a bigger threat now than it was before in or to overlook there was Hosea there was women there was children Beaver Hollow the gang is a shell of its former self we're just looking at people like Micah Javier Bill Arthur John sure Abigail and Jack is still around but at the end of the day there's less collateral for the gang as a whole we just have the enforcers practically remaining and the enforcers are blowing Bridges pushing the ATI Indians into increased ingression towards the United States Army and Dutch and his goals and intentions are becoming more sporadic by the day Milton I believe would have lied to Arthur in this moment because Arthur still has that fight yes he might be sick but we don't know when exactly he's going to die he's loyal to Dutch but maybe Milton was aware of how much he disliked Micah and Micah was putting that wedge between Dutch and Arthur so if Arthur was to escape this room and with sandev Vu with Dutch and the rest of whatever remained of The vanderland Gang That seed of distrust that seed of betrayal that seed of disloyalty was starting to be planted Mike is a skilled Gunslinger Arthur is a skilled guns singer this gang or at least Arthur believes and loyalty above everything else it's unfortunate that we really don't know how much Milton knows about each individual gang member but what he does know is how much Arthur values that relationship that longlasting time that he spent with Miss Grimshaw with josea with Dutch with John people that he spent a significant amount of time with people that he holds near and dear if Milton's made so many attempts to break the gang by reason or to demolish them through sheer Manpower and Firepower and each and every single time he failed maybe a final attempt attempt was to rot the system from the inside out why keep fighting Arthur why not play ball like Micah wouldn't that make sense to sew a little bit of dissension the very least Milton had to be aware of Dutch's increased boldness and aggressiveness and it's unlike him maybe Molly did snitch and did place all this aggression hatred that Dutch was exhibiting on not him but on Micah and it was easier to just tell Arthur that hey Micah's been working with us all along what do you think it was just an interesting thought that has always came to my mind just the way that Milton says it always made me wonder and it's so easy for us to hate Micah and it does make a lot of sense but for Rockstar the writing and the story and how everything is told within the game it's almost too much on the nose to be like yeah Micah is the one to blame for all of this sure maybe he did play ball but I don't think it would have been so cut and dry the way it's presented but let me know what you think what's your take on that do you think I'm right do you think I'm wrong let's talk down in the comments section I might even go a little bit more in depth into how Micah worked with the Pinkerton because it's interesting and this may have also been something Rockstar was intentionally working on because of this little clip of John talking to Charles about Micah being a rat all along Micah I hope that bastard's dead you know he was the one speaking to them agents what put them on us the whole time or since before I got off sis so even John places a timeline different than Milton that could be through J's own hatred and dislike towards Mel where he distorts the timeline and fits it where it makes more sense to Charles and Charles betrays Micah it's just interesting all around but with whatever angle you decide to look at it Rockstar still intentionally kept that line Jon's line in there for a reason

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Length: 22min 49sec (1369 seconds)

Published: Sat Jan 13 2024