What if France Won the 'French and Indian War'?

oi mate you got a license for that tea [Music] the war has taken a toll thousands of colonists and militiamen left dead towns and villages wiped off the map said he's blockaded and the news from back in the homeland was not much better britain was losing this war and now it was over the flag of france remained flying over montreal the british were pushed back to the atlantic shore france had won the seven years war whereas the americans called it the french and indian war and now it was ready to reaffirm its claims so that new france would never be threatened again [Music] so you might be confused well probably not since you know the video title but how exactly could such a situation occur before world war ii there was world war one but before that there were the napoleonic wars but before that there was the original world war a global conflict the seven years war a conflict that involved all the european powers of the time fighting over empire colonies and irrelevant monarchist politics i don't want to get into all you need to know is britain and france fought for several years everywhere and every theater the outcome of the war destined the fate of that region for centuries india europe and for this video north america by the end the french were kicked out of india they had lost in europe and were beaten to negotiations where they surrendered their lands of new france today the only remnant of france's control of north america is new orleans quebec and names of places that are very much not french today like detois or sun louis napoleon ohio but what if they had a greater legacy what if france won the seven years war all we care about is north america and how a french north america would continue on without the english to mess things up at least for a little while as the war comes to a close britain knows that its money is drained and its forces at exhaustion the campaigns in india have taken a turn as the mughals hold the british back in europe prussia hasn't lived up to its expectations their forces were meant to handle the french while the british focused on north america north america colonists that started the dam war in the first place were now falling to native raids and even losing a few cities to the french britain realized its mistake it was focused too much on a european war the flag of defeat is waved a treaty assigned in britain who wished to go past the appalachian mountains instead was forced to cling to the sea new france would remain so what now would new france simply take over the british colonies well no new france wasn't like the 13 colonies france claimed this but they really held this most of the territory of new france was populated by its original inhabitants and the french were perfectly fine with this the 13 colonies on the other hand were well populated with europeans around roughly 2 million compared to france's tens of thousands they had carved up a section of the east coast through blood and fire pushing the natives out past the mountains so a war ending in the opposite direction leads to an imbalance one could say would france simply take over the 13 colonies do the english become subject to french law would the french be a minority ruling class over the american colonists no to all of that no amount of military victories changes this one fact the british simply out populated the french and they were here to stay on the atlantic coast i don't think france would even wish to go through the hassle of trying to control an already well-populated region new france was a fur trading colony its main goal in the war was to prevent expansion into ohio not simply kick the british out into the sea what a french victory in the war would do is reaffirm french claims and protect their native allies and spooking the british from ever trying to cross past the appalachians again a hard border is now set so what now in our timeline while britain did win the war they knew that allowing colonists past the mountains would only enrage the natives this was one of the intolerable acts that led to the revolution the american colonists felt betrayed as one of the main reasons they fought in the war was to gain access to all that valuable potential farmland their attention turned to parliament and eventually the crown yet in an alternate timeline the colonists aren't stuck due to internal forces but external and the anger over this instead of being directed at parliament is directed at the french ironically making the 1770s a time where american colonists actually become more reliant on assistance from the crown and taxes may go up the team may be controlled but i believe even with these same actions there would not be an american revolution had the british lost the seven years war for one main reason an external threat with the threat of the french in their native allies gun the american colonists were not as reliant anymore on a strong military presence to support them from attacks fear brings compliance and without any more fear people start thinking why do they need the state at all with a defeat for britain the colonists would only fear that at any moment they may be sacked by the french or their native allies even if realistically that wouldn't have happened america was only able to win its own revolution due to the support of france the colonies wanted that land and france certainly won an ally with a young nation that was simply going to take the territory it's most likely that the revolution waits and as this time comes and goes new france remains on the doorstep but what about the french themselves what are they doing even with a victory new france wouldn't see the population boom that you would expect french colonialism was rich aristocrats staying in the country while profiting from the fur trade or caribbean sugar it was these limited numbers that made the french much more appealing to the natives and i can't imagine that new france suddenly gains a bigger population of europeans from this victory most importantly for the natives within new france they can further consolidate and rebuild following the conflict as what we have here is an unstoppable force going against a very movable object that british wave of colonists was too big to stop what also doesn't help is that the french revolution very easily still could have happened now you might say without the american revolution wouldn't france not be in as much debt therefore the revolution doesn't happen no france is still in debt its population is hungry its feudal system is crumbling at best and enlightenment thinking is bringing up new ideas by the 1790s the french revolution brings the nation into a spiral one that may very easily be an opportunity for the colonies and the british an expansion westward as france is in disarray going into the 19th century american colonists expand into the ohio country france simply loses their fur trading empire whether these holdings would ever be officially recognized by a treaty i doubt it but france would eventually get back on its feet napoleon still comes to power and i doubt he would just let new france fall without a fight in our timeline despite losing new france in the seven years war thanks to napoleon france was able to gain large amounts of territory in north america mostly just getting it from the spanish he then turned around and sold it to the united states since at the time the us was still on cold relations with britain and the haitian revolution left the rest of this territory pretty useless this land is still new france and it wouldn't just be sold to the british if the british did come and cross the mississippi to get it then napoleon would redirect some men and ships from europe to deal with the more rural colonies french gunships sailing into the ports of boston and new york french troops landing on a poorly defended coastline to teach the americans a lesson about taking territory and even if this was simply a small contingent the chaos of the napoleonic wars would leave britain helpless to defend individual militias would need to fight off the french as you can assume napoleon would eventually fall the land originally lost during the seven years war absorbed by the british however such a victory costs far more resources men and blood than ever in our timeline such an invasion i could imagine profoundly impacts american history the crown from which they relied on didn't actually keep the friendship bay instead it was the militiamen the homegrown effort that aided in kicking the french out while technically it'd be napoleon falling in europe that would get the french out but you know american myths they don't always have to be true with napoleon gone and new france now british america the same problems we saw in 1776 once again rear their head parliament doesn't need authority over here the crown no longer needs to protect the colonies independence time yet considering by this time it'd be the 1820s maybe even 1830s this probably doesn't resort to a violent revolution but a peaceful independence allowance like canada the colonies remain a separate country just within the commonwealth so why no violent revolution well for one revolution had a much different meaning before the 1790s after the french and especially the haitian revolution i could imagine the upper class a new generation of founders in fact would be more keen on a peaceful transition of power breaking out into a violent revolution might not be seen as the unifying effect that it was during the 1770s this may sound like assumptions but who's to say what reforms may or may not be made since the 1770s france would have its monarchy restored yet even if they did wish to help the americans they just couldn't the french just aren't in a position to aid anybody with the defeat of napoleon british north america now can expand westward which in a way brings us to something i haven't been talking about this whole time the people that actually live there now they have to deal with the british but in many ways they got something that was extremely valuable in this alternate timeline time itself time to regroup and rebuild after being obliterated from disease time practicing fighting against the british and with such a delay the expansion west is slower the expulsion of the southern tribes including the building of new plantations and southern slave states occurs decades later only by a few decades but it's enough especially in such a fast-paced time like the 19th century because even if the colonies peacefully left and are still in the commonwealth there is still britain and their views on slavery britain would eventually abolish it with some compensation to slave owners however even with compensation to the south granted a smaller south the south would still attempt to rebel this time with arms i could imagine an alternate american civil war breaking out three decades before our own however this war is not isolated from europe it's directly tied to a british commonwealth one involving both the north and british forces this combined with the south smaller size means that the conflict ends much quicker than our own timeline and this is where the situation gets even more messy as texas is still a state in mexico and the push to get the territory by southern states is ignored as the slavery issue comes to a head much earlier in fact whether texas would even join anglo north america is up to debate with the destruction of southern power and an enforcement of a northern british coalition perhaps it's not even absorbed at all so past this i'm not going to go any farther there's a much greater world out there and as the history of the united states begins to clash with the world i feel like it'd be more important to discuss the effects of france winning in another video to conclude new france even had it survived wouldn't have left a lasting impact on the demographics of the continent it was always going to fall whether due to events on north america or europe however it still leaves a mark a mark that acted as a wall to decades of american expansion this is cody of alternate history hub [Music] you

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Published: Thu Apr 29 2021