What God Thinks About astrology, Yoga, Movies and More

this evening we're going to continue with a question that we got let's see if it works well oh it works even when Phil's tuning it up this was the question I'll read it to you what about astrology in the zodiac and occultic practices and Eastern religions yoga and Reiki and I added to that gaming and movies and lack see I added yoga gaming in movies and I added to that Genesis 3 because I always connect in my mind any topic to kind of a foundational part of Scripture and so this evening how does Genesis 3 impact our understanding of what God thinks of astrology and the zodiac and a cultic practices gaming's especially any gaming that has to do with killing with a cultic type of overtones monsters especially with names that come out of the Bible you know like apollyon and and you know the destroyer and things like that movies especially all the different ones that come out about finding boxes that have spirits inside of them and all kinds of stuff like that Eastern religions yoga which by the way 15 million Americans are Yogi's and it's growing all the time and Reiki which is that energy healing art how does God want us to respond to Satan's influences in our daily world so that's the question I guess the answer you know people like the short of it so what do I think of all of those items from right there down all of them are experiencing Satan's influence and but not just them and I think we need to understand and think through the the grid that God has given us and so what we're going to do this evening is first of all look at and if you want to turn in your Bibles to second Corinthians two I just want to show you a kind of an appointed warning that the Apostle Paul gave to the Philippians remember he gave this to them probably 55 56 somewhere in there he's writing this about the same time as Romans and that's right in the same time period as the book of Acts so right what we're studying the morning this is what he's talking about to the Corinthians but he says in verse 11 lest Satan should take advantage of us for we are not ignorant of his devices now we have a habit as humans it's kind of like if you ignore it you hope it goes away and and we do that with a lot of things you know we do that with you know things that that bother us you know a pesky bug or or with a sound in our car or with a little pain here and there basically we've been taught all of our life if you ignore it it'll most likely go away and and so that kind of carries over sometimes into our spiritual lives and what Paul is saying here is don't ignore the devil because he won't go away and he's talking to us about Satan's devices and when we ignore problems with our helps and our homes and our cars those problems usually worsen and people that bother us that we ignore and hope they go away it works sometimes but often it doesn't but it never works with the devil and so when we enter into the realm of our spiritual life ignoring the devil is the worst choice we can make so if Satan is influencing and impacting and permeating parts of our world around us and we just ignore it and say we hope it goes away it is dangerous Paul warns the church if you look here he's talking to the Corinthians it's his second epistle and he says more than any other New Testament writer Paul says there is danger in the devil now Peter mentions the devil you know in in 1st Peter 5 and and James mentions the devil too but Paul seems to put warnings about Satan all throughout all of his epistles he is very much in the forefront and if we could summarize everything in Paul's extensive teachings on Satan it would be what it says right here in verse 11 don't don't allow the devil to be there without us in a defensive position being ready and weary because our adversary is the devil and he's always wanting to devour us especially if we ignore him and basically what we need to do is hold up all of our habits all of our desires all of our hobbies our spare time our recreation or sports our pursuits our collections our appetites and everything else to the scrutiny of God's Word and the reason I say that is that there are sometimes things that appear harmless that aren't so I just read to you I brought it this is a little tiny note from a message that John Piper if you've heard of John Piper a pastor in Minneapolis area in fact rod used to be in his church weren't you four years our chairman of our elders when when he lived and worked in Minneapolis but I mean this guy is a pastor and and he was doing a series called finally alive and now it's imprinting this is just I just clipped out two paragraphs of what he said to his church he said oh how jealous I am that the followers of Jesus be Christ exalting Bible saturated discerning people I mean as soon as I say that you know it's Piper talking that's how he talks now he says this for example I pray that you don't just sign up it's your local yoga class and not know what you're doing Yoga is to the body what a mantra is to the mouth the two are rooted in the same worldview take my own town as an example when I go to the Minneapolis YWCA website and click on fitness classes I find 22 references to yoga including beginning yoga middle yoga youngster yoga youth and dance Yoga Yoga for everybody he goes on to say one explanation says that mantra yoga has to do with chanting a word or phrase until you transcend your mind and emotions it's a process of your super consciousness being discovered and achieved and that's in a whi WC a now you've heard that you know that that was an orange institution started back in the time of moody as an evangelistic and most Y W and YMCAs are not young it's mostly older people the the W and the M are still pretty much there but the C is gone the Christian part it's an association of usually older men and women but but actually them offering yoga has spiritual overtones because this is what yoga is described as now this is not what I'm reading here is from secular websites not from Christian not from the you know the Institute of of Christian research CRI that's always looking for cults and problems this is just what what the pagans say about this yoga focuses on the harmony between mind and body Yoga derives its philosophy from Indian metaphysical beliefs the word yoga comes from Sanskrit and means union or merger the ultimate aim of this philosophy is to strike a balance between mind and body and attain self-enlightenment during what Satan told Eve he said if well the serpent but it was Satan we know from Genesis 12 he says if you eat that fruit God commanded you not to eat do you know what will happen you will become like God and you will know you will have this enlightenment this esoteric higher level of knowing stuff what is yoga do yoga helps you attain self enlightenment you know I don't want self enlightenment I want God enlightenment Yoga is focusing on looking within and trying to unleash this and and in this this self enlightenment from to unite me with the divine whatever out their self enlightenment to achieve this continuing the definition of yoga yoga uses movement breath posture relaxation and meditation or to establish a healthy lively and balanced approach to life now Piper chimes in you were born again through the living and abiding Word of God this word is the gospel of Jesus Christ crucified and risen don't fall prey to another gospel there is another gospel and there is our I mean there is no other gospel and there is no other path to God whether it's ultimate well-being or better hearing and understanding or believing because all of these are scandalous when they deprecated the Lord Jesus Christ what do you thing is don't get near anything that actually is part of the devil system which is what Hinduism is but that I just thought you'd think that was interesting that that Piper weighed in on yoga but there's a world surrounding us that is swirling with a battle and that's why Paul said don't don't be unaware of what Satan is doing don't yield any ground of your life to the devil nothing in life is neutral did you know that people love that they just love the gray area there is nothing that is neutral everything is either for God or against God whether therefore you eat or drink or whatever you do do it for the glory of God you know Paul said nothing's neutral even the way we eat can either before or not forgot everything that we do is either for or not for Scoy there's nothing neutral nothing you know some people think oh you know clothing or recreation or this or that nothing is neutral as we'll see in a moment in 1st John 5:19 the whole world is under the sway of the evil one and only when we live redemptive Lee does something go from being under his way to being under God's way nothing is neutral everything is under the devil's sway in this world except that which we redemptive lis interact with and that is something we need to know and understand and live so don't ignore the devil oh by the way I wrote it out for you there's what Piper said be a Christ exalting Bible saturating discerning person don't just sign up for your local yoga class we've already read that I forgot I take no wonder I was late to church I was typing too much and I typed that too there we go I type that to their Genesis 3 let's turn there I want to show you something and I'm gonna come back and do it more deeply but I just want to give you as a survey for you to understand this question Genesis 3 you know Genesis 1 and 2 is the creation account Genesis 1 is a anthropological view that means from man's perspective Genesis 2 is a cosmological perspective from God's perspective it's basically the same account from two different angles kind of like the synoptic Gospels when you get to chapter 3 now we come to the temptation and fall of humanity in chapter 3 with the first statement the gospel in verse 15 but what I want to focus on are those first 5 verses because it's very interesting what the devil says and and I will show you all this and explain all this but just show you the serpent verse 1 was more cunning than any beast of the field do I say that's the devil because it says in Genesis 12 the serpent of old which is Lucifer as in Isaiah 14 as in chapter 28 of Ezekiel it's all the same person the devil the serpent Lucifer Satan the same person it says in Jenna's or in Revelation 12 so the serpent in this chapter was a real serpent that was being used as a vehicle for the most powerful created being in the universe the devil himself Satan Lucifer okay so the serpent was more cunning than a beast of the field which Lord had made and he said to the woman has God indeed said the first thing we learned from Satan's strategy is Satan always wants us to question God actually Satan wants us to doubt God's Word and he uses anything from professors to well-intentioned teachers they're just trying to expand the minds to a lot of items to make us doubt God's Word so has God really said doubt God's Word you shall not eat of every tree of the garden you know what that was that was an attack on the goodness of God this guy really think it's me that's a nice fruit how come God said you're not supposed to you know doubt that's goodness doubt that God knows what he's doing that did his plan is best doubt the goodness of God and that is often what's at the root of so many sins people think the Lord isn't good I don't have a good job oh the Lord isn't good I don't have a good husband I don't have a good wife I don't have this I don't have enough money I don't have the Lord is not good and so I'm going to take things into my own hands and I'm gonna get what I want and we doubt and that's part of the Satan's strategy doubt God's word doubt God's goodness and the woman said the serpent we may eat of the further treats the garden but of the fruit of tree which is in the midst of the garden God has said you should not eat of it and then if this is always been questioned by theologians nor touch it it could be she's adding to the Word of God there there might be that the Lord said more than is recorded but as far as the recorded words she's doing a little addition there lest you die and then the serpent said to the woman verse 4 you will not surely die you know that is doubt God's Authority you know what God says the wages of sin is death know what the devil said no it's not and and what's interesting about about each of these is that that these are paralleling what we see running throughout all religion running throughout all the devil's various deceptions they come to doubt and God doubting he's good and then right here doubting his authority that he is the last word in fact the whole idea of reincarnation comes in here you're not gonna die nobody dies you just you know you keep going around you're going up or going down but you're not gonna die see it's right back there the the the whole Eastern religion that the reincarnation istic idea is right there but keep reading it says in verse 5 for God knows in the day you eat of it your eyes will be open this is that esoteric enlightenment change of consciousness you know knowing more and you will be like knowing good and evil this is doubt God's plan that wasn't God's plan he didn't say eat the fruit you're gonna have this change consciousness and know this and you'll be like God that wasn't God's plan he had a different plan for us to be like him but the devil always has these flaws and so the first thing what does God in Genesis 3 say is Satan's strategy we need to know and understand be aware of Satan's plans so God says watch out turn now to John 8:44 because this is the second verse remember I always attach things in my mind and so if we're looking at the occult and and these intrusions of the devil John 8:44 reminds us of something when we get saved whose family do we leave in order to become part of God's family that's a good question remember I said it this morning that you can't you can't really have a salvation Testament unless you start lost well what is what does the Lord say he says you he's talking to two living breathing religious Jewish people in Jerusalem in the first century you or of your father the devil the desires of your father you want to do that explains our fallenness our sinfulness were all infected with that same rebellion he was a murderer from the beginning he does not stand in the truth there's no truth in him when he speaks of a lie he speaks from his own resources he's a liar and the father of it that's whose family we were born in that's why known has to teach children how to lie no one has to teach them how to be murderously angry they're born that way because they're in that family and that's why the new birth transfers us from the family we were born into into a new family with a new father with a new operating system from the one that we came into this world with well next let's go to Ephesians 2 because this is another kind of like anchor for our hearts and minds understanding what's going on when we're talking about the the world of the devil fusions - and I want to go through this slowly with you because what we're we saved away from and what are we saved unto and basically I didn't print out the verse so I'll just just look at it in your Bibles and we'll emphasize some things in Ephesians 2:1 in you he made alive who were dead so so what were we saved from we were dead in trespasses and sin verse 2 in whom in which you once walked so our whole way of life was according to the course of this world again people we all when we were born were wired to follow the course of the world you've heard of worldliness and world likeness and the world that is that is how everyone is wired everyone has the same operating system at birth everyone is wired to walk it says there according to the course of this world and what does that mean it's according to the Prince of the power of the air and who might he be the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience does that include me verse 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves this is a universal operating system I mean you don't have to go to to some place where they're doing satanic rituals that's just one end of the spectrum everybody that's why I hear people and they say well you know music is music is music music is not neutral if the music comes from the heart of someone who is but look what it says here we are under the Prince of the power of the air the spirit that works in the sons of disobedience if the musician is unregenerate 'add the very motivations and and and words and and direction of their life comes out because they are walking and conducting themselves like Oh verse 3 says in the lusts of our flesh fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind in we're by nature the children of Wrath just as others so all of us have this commonality with the less lush less the eyes in the pride of life now the gospel verse four but God who is rich in mercy because of his great love with which he loved us even when we were dead and he's repeating this dead in trespasses that he earlier had said he made us alive with Christ by grace you have been saved and raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of His grace and his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus and then the famous verse 8 for by grace you've been saved save from what from death from living in trespasses and sin verse 2 from living under the domination verse 2 of the Prince of the power of the air from verse 3 conducting ourselves according to his desires his operating system because he's the god of this world we've been saved through faith verse 9 verse 8 says it's not of ourselves it's a gift of God verse 9 it's not of works we didn't dig ourself out of the pit of sin lest anyone should boast but look at verse 10 for we are his workmanship were created in Christ Jesus for good works which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them what were we saved away from the god of this world lost of this world the operating system this world what were we saved on to our heavenly father a new operating system a new orientation as it says in Colossians 3 we set our affections our deepest desires are not tied to things on the earth when you think about what matters most to you you can tell your spiritual condition by whether it's totally geared toward here and a house and a lifestyle and a health and wealth and experiences and pleasures or whether your affections are attached to things above clash and Sri says that everyone everyday can do a little you know how the the diabetics are doing the little you know check their their blood to see their sugar level and all that you can check your heaven level any day by seeing where affections are primarily is is everything pointed this way or is is it slowly being drawn we're slowly setting our affection and things about so what were we saved away from and unto now next one look at first gen we're going to the right look at first John 5:19 this is fascinating and this is one you should have marked if you don't already have it because it explains it kind of fits the pieces together what does first John 5:19 say is Satan's present role and if you look at the 19th verse the Apostle John remember he is pastoring in Ephesus and and he is this is this is the church that that Paul founded the Timothy pastored after Paul and then you know tradition tells us that they killed Timothy and but John is still there and he's still ministering kind of like the the you know the Chancellor of the church there and look what he's writing near the end of the Canon first John 5:19 we know that we are of God I look at this and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one nothing's neutral either of God or you're under the sway of the wicked one either you're operating under the sway of the wicked one in that operating system or you're of God there's no comfortable in between and and that's the the underlying for this question about you know is this right is this right is this right is this right is this right we have to examine the sway that verse 19 the sway of the wicked one how how much his sway is there and how possible is it to redemptive lis be involved in that activity for the glory of God okay now let's go to the Old Testament and the next question is or the next line of thought is God has always been opposed to all things occultic now now you might not know what cultic is and so let me show you by the way I checked in head toward Deuteronomy 17 we're just going to do several verses in a row fifth book Old Testament Deuteronomy starting in chapter 17 Deuteronomy 17 and verses 2 & 3 now let's define a cultic ok if there's found among you Deuteronomy 17 to within any of your gates which Lord God gives you a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lord your God now that's interesting we don't determine who's wicked we don't determine who's bad it's in God's sight are they wicked you see if someone asks me after a couple weeks guys talking about the homosexual you know that whole mess our country's in and and all the the direction our country is tilting that way and they say our homosexuals evil and say you mean to me as as a person no they're just people we work next to them we ride around we use their stuff in fact a lot of this stuff is from I mean if you don't like homosexuality ought to stay out of an awful lot of high-tech stuff okay because they're geniuses but are they evil in the sight of God yes see that's what matters it's not my opinion whether I don't like him I only I'm not comfortable being around them that is not we need to get out of that realm we need to put the attention on reminds me when I pastored for five years at Grace Community Church the Los Angeles Times and I've told you this over and over but I thought what a monumental thing it was the Los Angeles Times owned and operated by pagans would call area code eight one eight you know whatever I forget the phone and not seven eight two seven eight two five nine 100 I don't remember the phone number but they call Grace Community Church and whenever an issue came up they would call the switchboard and they put it through to Pat Hiskey or before her to John's former secretary and say what does God say about this they would ask John MacArthur what God said about it what they meant is we don't know what the Bible says has God weighed in on that issue yes or no and John would tell them see that's how we need to project ourselves to the world not I don't like that it's not nice it's so me you know it offends me God says look at chapter 17 this is what God says is bad verse 3 who is gone and served other gods and worshiped them so who is someone that is wicked in the sight of God anyone that's worshiping another god anyone Buddhist Confucianist you know Shintoist anybody that's involved in in any worship of a false deity even ones they've made up and renamed with Christian names like Mormonism has renamed who Jesus Christ is and he is a lesser created being in Javas witnesses had the same problem that's wicked and God's sight but that's not all has worshipped either the Sun or the moon or any of the hosts of heaven which I have not commanded God says I'm not into Sun who worship moon worship or hosts of heaven worship what about all these people that follow the zodiac follow they get their horoscope what they're doing is they are worship means that you bow toward that you that you come under the sway of that you yield to people that are involved in Horus copic or you know any of the the mediums that that tell the future that guide the spiritual advisors even these 900 numbers you can call and someone can you know tell your future the Lord says that is all wickedness but keep going to chapter 18 of Deuteronomy next effect it's on the same page with in my Bible I wrote this one out for you Deuteronomy 18 starting in verse 9 when you come into the land which lore does God is giving you this is this is to the Jews okay now this is specifically applicable to the Jews but it has doctrinal implications for us don't jettison the Old Testament just make sure you understand who the primary intended recipient was and then see if it reveals anything about the character of God because all scripture including Deuteronomy 18 and every other verse the Bible is profitable for doctrine reproof correction instruction and righteousness and so there is truth about God we can determine and discern from here and and he says when when you Israel are going into that land that I'm giving you don't now look at the principle don't learn to follow remember we saw this morning Christianity is following Christ don't follow the abominations of those nations this is what we call paganism what is paganism it's everything humanity comes up with apart from God leaving God out not wanting him substituting something else for him it's it's the same thing that Romans 1 talks about all of that they didn't want to retain God in their mind so they did their own thing all of that is paganism it's the opposite of God of what he is revealed there should not be found among you anyone who makes the sons or daughters pass through the fire that's the the worship of Molech and the whole ki mosh and all that stuff the abomination of the Moabites or now let's talk to modern time one who practices witchcraft so I mean I'm not against what's her name Wizard of Oz girl that hops down the path Dorothy I'm not against The Wizard of Oz there are no good witches there's not a good Witch of the East there's there's nothing good in witchcraft nothing I mean it doesn't matter if you can sing really nicely and you have it snowing and it's frozen or whatever that's called if it's witchcraft not good doesn't matter if the music is catchy doesn't matter if every kid in the church can sing it anything to do with witchcraft God is opposed to God hates God does not want us to to have anything to do to learn the abominations of witchcraft there is not good witchcraft which is that help people are not good they're witches you understand that there are witches and warlocks it's none of its good in any form or a soothsayer some that can help you get guidance from the powers the energy from the the other side or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer someone who is into incantations and spells and all that who conjure spells or a medium a medium it's a go between the spirit world in here and they communicate they they're the ones that that have the seances and and they talk to people or a Spiritist someone who deals with the spirits or one who calls up the dead do you remember in first samuel 30 when saul goes to Endor and talks to the witch there and she is used to this she's a medium and she knows the demons and by the way demons know far more than Google you understand that they arts they've they've been alive the entire time of the human race so they've all existed as long as all humans have existed throughout all of history since creation they've been around and they can hear they can see they travel you learn something on a trip how would you like to be on a trip for thousands of years and speak every language and not forget anything can you imagine so demons know stuff that it's impossible for humans to know and they can trick humans because they know the past they know everything's buried you all know where the buried treasures are the demons know they watched it they watch the Pirates bury if they watch everybody they saw these people go out and put the can in their backyard by the tree that grew around it it's in the roots of the tree all those gold coins they know where they are they will lead people they'll do anything they can to get people under their influence and so this woman was was she and for Samuel 30 the witch attend or was able to get demons to tell people what they wanted to hear because you could find out they knew where the soldiers were hiding they knew what the plans were they were there when the king was talking about his plans and so they're the ultimate NSA you know what I mean they knew what's going on everywhere and they can go through walls there there's no nothing that is pervious to them they are they're able to go through and so she was used to working with them so Saul comes and she's when she realizes who it is scares her and she says what have you done he says I want CMU so she went and did her normal thing and when she conjured up it wasn't the demons that usually came in impersonated people and talked to the paying customer and she screamed because it was really Samuel she never had anybody come up from the grave because people can't come up from the grave you can't communicate with your dead relatives through a medium because they are in a place where there's a great gulf jesus said and no one can go from here to there and no one can go from there up to us so she was shocked it was her first time having a true you know bringing someone back and she screamed so stay away from mediums and spiritus knows that call up the dead for all who do these things are an abomination Lord now you want to know something about the immutability of God if something was an abomination to God it still is you understand that God wants us and all people of all time they have anything to do with him to have nothing to do to stay as far away as we can from crafts sorcery mediums omens spells calling up the dead it's an abomination and because of these the Lord is gonna drive them out before you and you shall be blameless before the Lord your God the Lord says I want you to to keep clear and clean of all that stuff and don't be drawn under the sway of the evil one well keep going let's in your Bibles if you want to look to first Chronicles I'll show you what happened to Saul first Chronicles 10 has an interesting word from the Lord so you're in Deuteronomy Joshua judges Ruth 1st to 2nd Samuel for 2nd kings 1st chronicles so if you keep going the right you'll get there in chapter 10 and it says this 1st chronicles 10 verse 13 Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord because he did not keep the word of the Lord also because he consulted a medium for guidance and God says I don't want anything to do with you so that I mean he did a lot of other bad stuff well what did the Lord say you didn't you didn't want to follow me instead you consulted a medium for guidance Isaiah 8 I'll just read it to use a ax 8 and verse 19 seek those who are mediums and wizards who whisper and mutter and they seek the dead on behalf of the living and the Lord says that's bad okay how about this one let's go to acts 13 okay this is a good one to write down now we're in the new test when a lot of people get real uncomfortable in the Old Testament cuz they're just not sure about it well this is in the New Testament okay look at acts 13 Paul is plowing along in his first missionary journey and elements the source server this is just the New King James text 4 so his name is translated withstood them seeking to turn the proconsul this is a high-ranking Roman political figure that Paul was ministering to away from the faith then saw who is also called Paul filled with the Holy Spirit looked intently at alamos the sorcerer and said and here here is here is a New Testament perspective on anything involved with the occult with with the one in who has sway over everything on this planet the devil the the people that are in tune with him our sorcerers mediums involved in witchcraft and all those other words that were in Deuteronomy and this is one of them and this is how Paul defines them o foolish all deceit all fraud you son of the devil you are of your father the devil you enemy of all righteousness did you know what is going on in our culture is we're gradually in American culture as we're pulling out the control rods of the gospel of the word of God of Prayer of of Christians being salt and light as we're pulling that out our culture is descending into paganism and paganism is an enemy of all righteousness because righteousness as one philosopher puts it our modern relativistic world has their feet firmly planted in midair that means we're standing on nothing we have no foundation no moral compass no source of right and wrong and truth and and Satan is an enemy of all righteousness will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord do you know if you want to really criticize someone you say you're really straight-laced aren't you did you know God considers his plan for us to be straight ways well it's time for communion so what do you do with any any occultic influence and we're going to get to Genesis 3 but it was too big to go through all of the elements of it because there's a lot of implications of it but look what happens because Paul keeps plowing he gets to Ephesus and many came believed and came confessing and telling there they had this lives turned upside down and regenerated also many of those who had before their salvation who had you notice that when they came to Christ their allegiance no longer could they be involved in the occult because they belong to Christ but they had been in the old days actually not just normal sinners they had been soldiers for the devil himself they had practiced magic now if you talk to Disney magic is it's magical you know I I think the Walt Disney Company is the largest purveyor of satanic stuff it just looks pretty and sounds pretty but it's a cultic because either it's God's power or it's not if it's not God then first John 5:19 says it's under the sway of the devil now I'm not opposed to have a dear beloved brother in Christ that I mentored who is one of the executives of Disney and you know he always asked me should I get out of here I said no you know it'd be like leaving the world but don't be falsely duped into thinking if the song is pretty and the characters have pretty smiles that it's okay it's kind of like the title that recent movie maleficient or whatever or whatever it was that's what it is practice magic but what do believers do they bring anything together that has to do with the occult and they burn them in the sight of all they don't sell them on eBay they get rid of them anything to do with the devil games books you know the crystal balls the the sands the Ouija boards all of that stuff is to be destroyed and that's in fact any holy hardware that's involved with idolatry Lord says get rid of it

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