What do Christians have against Homosexuality? Tim Keller at Veritas [8 of 11]

I wrote a book about the gay rights movement because I was appalled by the oppression and the discrimination against homosexuals in my America and this questioner asks what do so many of the churches have against homosexuals and what about your church's approach to homosexuality is it a sin are they going to hell let's talk with my about my church first which will be a little easier than then try to answer for all the other churches of the world but I'll try I'm representing all the churches of the world alright you know yeah but Christianity I mean I don't know me let's start with my you you go to the Bible quite often and there are many plenty Angelica 'ls who will say it is listed as a sin in the Bible rival and these people are going to hell right now what you first let's talk about my church again let's go back here what we would say is I think it's unavoidable I think most Protestant and Catholic and Orthodox Christians over the years have said you read the Bible and the Bible has reservations the Bible says homosexuality is not God's original design forums for sexuality okay there you have it the Bible also says love your neighbor the Bible losses in fact the Good Samaritan parable which is how Jesus tells us to love our neighbor you put a Jew in a Samaritan there so what Jesus is trying to say is everybody as your neighbor gay people your neighbors people who are of other faiths or your neighbors people other other races are your neighbors and it's the job of a Christian to do what Jesus did on the cross which was to give himself for people who are opposing him and people who had different believe didn't believe in him even and so a Christian is supposed to say I serve the needs and interests of all of my neighbors in the city whether gay or straight with their Hindu or Muslim I mean Hindus for example don't believe in the Trinity it's a different view than what the Bible says gay people have a different view of sexuality than with generally what you see in the New Testament I'm supposed to love my neighbors so what I don't see is at this point I see some churches that are basically ignoring the places in the Bible that talk about homosexuality in order to love their gay neighbor and I see other Christian churches taking very seriously what the Bible says about homosexuality but in a very self-righteous way so they actually do single out gay people I mean there are a number of conservative churches that will love their Hindu neighbors and will love their Muslim neighbors and not their gay neighbors and I really don't think there is any excuse for that so yes that's what's it I mean I I therefore I have to take some responsibility being a member of the Christian Church for the oppression of homos are committing homosexual sexual acts sin against God what do you mean by sin but the answer is yes yes now the reason see here's the problem with that no you don't go to hell for being homosexual but committing homosexual acts will go to get you get to go to hell no wait a minute wait wait right no because you know so it some people say oh yeah it's not the homosexuality or being gay it's being doing gay style with the problem no no I first of all heterosexuality does not get you to heaven I happen to know this right so how in the world can homosexuality send you to hell I just did and actually the Bible of us and this is this is true Jesus talks about greed ten times more than he talks about adultery for example now one of the problems Christians have here is partly let's be nice to Christians you know when you're committing adultery I mean you don't say oh you're not my wife I mean you know you're crazy but that almost nobody knows when they're greedy I mean nobody thinks they're greedy you know because everybody is comparing yourself to other people and so it's a frog and the kettle kind of thing however the fact of the matter is the Bible is much harder on greed materialism it's a horrible sin terrible sin well well greed send you to hell know what sends you to hell is self-righteousness thinking that you can be your own Savior and Lord what sends you to heaven is getting a connection with Christ because you realize you're a sinner and you and you need intervention from outside that's why it's a it's very misleading actually to say even to say homosexuality is sin because most people yes of course I'm a sexualize of sin because greed is a sin because all kinds of things are sins but what most Christians mean when they say that and certainly with non-christians think they hear when they hear that is if you're gay you're going to hell for being gay it's just not true absolutely not true so then what's the how is homosexuality is sin and that well almost it grieves us in in other words it's not doesn't help human flourishing basically Christianity has an account of what we think human beings were built to do and what will therefore help human flourishing so we would say if you spend all your money on yourself that's bad not only for your own soul but for everybody else's we would say homosexuality is not the original design for sexuality therefore it's not good for human flourishing we want people to do things that are good for you and flourishing but that's not what sends you to heaven or hell now there may be we got to talk about that what sends you to heaven or hell really has to do with your faith in the gospel which is that you can't be your own Savior through your performance and your good works now here I'm coming at this at a prot is like a Protestant no you know everybody's got to be a particular kind of Christian and there's difference of opinion within Christianity about this but no being gay doesn't send you to hell and and sin doesn't send you to hell like that the sin underneath us in is I am my own Savior in my Lord and that's the reason why Pharisee ISM moralism Bible believing people who are proud and think God's gonna take them to heaven because they're good that's sending them to hell I mean I know this is a lot to take in at once it's a lot I'm well yeah I mean I was here it's either inside our church right therefore there's just not going to be this disdain of homosexuals that can't be not what I'm teaching the gospel like that for more information about the veritas forum including additional recordings and a calendar of upcoming events please visit our website at Veritas org

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Published: Tue Nov 29 2011