Weight Loss Wisdom from Dr. Doug Lisle

to everybody chef AJ here with dr. Doug Lyall the co-author of the pleasure trap we are at Emory in Atlanta we are both speakers at the remedy food project conference one of the best plant-based conferences there is and I pulled dr. Lyle aside after his brilliant lecture getting along without going along which you can see in its entirety on his wonderful website esteem dynamics with an S org and I asked for a few minutes at a time to talk about a few things that I get asked a lot so thanks for being here dr. Lyle pleasure you look great by the way adorable I just love this guy so dr. lout one question I get asked a lot and I don't know if there is a physiological basis or a psychological basis in this but I run the ultimate weight-loss program we've had the privilege of having you speak so many times is very often people that lose weight unfortunately gain it back maybe some of it maybe all of it and they seem to have a more difficult time losing it again is there a physiological basis when we regain weight that our body just says hey enough or is it maybe because it's so devastating to gain the weight back that they just did it it's hard anyway but it seems to be sometimes harder the second time around you know I think I think there there's several there's several things that are involved here I don't believe so I don't believe there's a physiological reason at all okay I think the the very often when people do something that's really difficult they and then they don't do it anymore mm-hmm they actually underestimate how difficult it was the first time so their memories says that wasn't so bad so women for example it have had a couple of children right after they had the first one like it's unbelievably painful sure a runnable ordeal and I actually had one couple that they went through this and then and the wife's immediate reaction was you know there's just no way I'm ever having another job and then a couple years later they had another one and after the second one they said that they needed to go down and sign a contract a nap we never do sorry this is a sort of uh we we have short memories for how difficult something actually was you can your memory can kid get it as a snapshot at what you know wasn't easy but it doesn't appreciate the entire process that you went through because that process mat might have taken months or years and so you you forget how much energy you pour into a long-term goal and I think that's what you're seeing is you're seeing a essentially a distortion of memory and because when you start up the slope the second time you're pretty confident that you can do it because you've done it before and then you start finding out just how steep that slope is and it's like whoa this seems harder than it was the first time really yeah and the truth is is that it it isn't any harder you just don't appreciate it how hard you worked the first time yeah Wow how can we help these people that have lost weight to not gain it back because it seems that everybody can lose weight yes but not everybody can actually keep the weight off sure usually I mean there's you have to remember that there's constant pressure on us to to fumble the ball here there is your your nature that your natural psychology was built to to follow certain rules of behavior and the rules of behavior are in the modern environment a disaster that's what the pleasure trap is it's the story of how your natural environment is not shaped for this particular problem and so so it's unusual for people to solve it and so it's only it's a rarefied group of people that get this information are motivated and then incredibly they executed yeah I'm saying so this is not these are these these are not normal individuals under normal status quo situations for people and so as a result it's no surprise that the slightest bit of sort of turbulence in one's life or the slight slightest misdirection of time energy and resources and now they're in trouble again and and so that it's not uncommon for people to have to go up this slope a bunch of times and so that that's what I would say is that that it's the same it's the same information that gets you the second time around you know it there are some issues some other motivational issues that I think will stop people from essentially taking the first step those are once they know the right direction to go and those have to do with with some very tricky subtle motivational dilemmas that I delineate in in the continuum of evil and also in when I another webinar MacDougall's that I've done called the slow fast way and by the way ladies and gentlemen these you can see for free simply by going to dr. Lyles website it is team dynamic org and by going to dr. MacDougall's website dr. mcdougal com dr. Lisle is a guest speaker on his free weekly webinars which take place Thursday at 11 a.m. Pacific time and dr. Lyle has done a bunch of terrific ones on panic disorder and anxiety so what he's referring to is available on both of these websites right yeah I don't have it on my website yet because I'm a little bit of a flake but it is on dr. MacDougall's website the slow fast way is the story of that we need to essentially keep our expectations modest and keep our ourselves trudging ahead and and to to not set the goal so high that we feel intimidated and then we just quit okay so this is you know this is how it is that we have to do this and it's there are a few individuals that they can that they can make I don't know stories out of you're one of them you know what's your you know you are in a usual story of someone who got the information finally but it wasn't remember this bread was ninety percent baked by the time you got the last bit of information yes saying yeah so you had already come you're already extremely facile in the kitchen we didn't have to get any new information about nutrition like you you knew essentially everything you needed one last piece and then that one last piece now we got the combo lock open but that piece was important because without it the puzzle wasn't complete that's correct and that's going to be true for a lot of people so a lot of people will will do well for a while but they don't have enough pieces of the puzzle put together yet and so and that's why these different webinars that we do are trying to address sometimes the the limiting factor in an individual's life that is actually could be the difference between success and failure that's why you got to keep getting yourself educated I agree so where do you think they should go for the puzzle to tune or through dr. mcdougal read the book the pleasure trap is a great place to start yeah the pleasure trap is pretty cerebral okay this is for if you're if you're sort of an upper part of the bell curve for intelligence the pleasure trap is a deep and interesting read but it was not really meant for the general public okay this is there there are books that are that are that are easier easier going I would say the China Study is also a difficult book yes that is not that that's a book for for bright people who really want to make sure that the right and you want to nail down all the details this story has been told many different ways by many different people john mcdougall has told the story 15 different times in slightly different ways always looking to try to make it easier you know or more convincing for different groups of people and so they tend to be a similar group they tend to be bright they tend to be health conscious they tend to be conscientious etc but but everybody's a little bit different in terms of their their and their different where they are in that moment in their lives and how much how much knowledge they already bring to the table you know you talk a lot about the environment being so important we are in a none chill environment yes why it's so hard to solve this problem yes I was taking a seminar in Hollywood the other day and I didn't want to fight traffic so I called lifts yes and my driver was from Uganda yes he's only been there for a few years and will for whatever reason we started talking about nutrition yeah and even though he wasn't vegan or vegetarian you know he was very nice-looking and slender and he just did not understand processed food he said we don't have that in my country and he goes there is some but you have to be very wealthy to have it and here's a man who I don't know if he was in his 30s never eaten processed food and now he's in this country and he still doesn't eat processed food he didn't understand processed foods so you know it sounds like the only way we can actually get out of the pleasure trap maybe is to either live a true North full time we're living Uganda because the environment is horrible it's a fascinating story in other words he his is he's sort of as a conservative by nature in his behavior or else he would have experimented ah so he is a very unusual man yeah an unusual man that most people like that would have never left Uganda there was he's open enough to experience but for some reason there's some strange story in that in that guy's history I kinda yeah yeah so I don't know somebody opened more open to experience dragged him to the United States well to money he needed to send money to his family very interesting story because because almost everybody is feverishly interested in the food and one tastes a processed food and of course it's supernatural yeah and so but amazingly he has sort of kept his his target and good for him yeah we have to continually make healthy food plentiful and available in our own environments yeah I actually forget to say that aj and then you say it to me and then I hear it again I'm like right that's so right it's not nice to have your own words like fed back to you yeah somebody's got it right yeah and the issue is the environment you need to work harder on your environment that's what you've told me and I do believe that because when I see people relapsing in the program yes one out of a thousand maybe drove to 7-eleven but the other 999 it was always something in the house it was for a family member and I don't see how that's gonna work there is like the alcoholic keeping alcohol in the house I don't see how that person's gonna get healthy when there's no nuts and son that stuff I don't know that I would be able to hold up very well in other words it the I'm just I'm not like Alan Alan's not Alan Goldhamer is not open to experience right it's totally boring yeah yeah yeah yeah and that that is actually one of the reasons he is so unusual and remarkably successful is he happens to have a very interesting personality for this niche yeah and in the same way that there are people that are so hyper conscientious and so mathematically brilliant that they worry about the smallest detail those are the guys that got us to the men so I'm saying so there's there's horses for courses and most of is our natural personalities are are open enough to experience that that we are easily led into trouble and if you had me in a household even today eventually I would probably get worn down if you had a bunch of Pizza around and you had a bunch of ice cream and Fritos if you had enough junk food around and the and I had to go out and hunt down and deal with and create my own whole natural food you know my own good I would wind up probably pretty significantly compromised I wouldn't become a conventional leader but I would probably move one-third that direction and that would be a problem yeah I mean so I I agree with you we have to work hard on our environment we have to like set up boundaries and agreements and rules if we share space where they look at right and there there has to be you know ways for us to to work on that variable and I think it's negotiable because so many people just say well okay well my cousin many kids wanted so this is how it shall be and I think you can work on these things and shade it can be respectful it doesn't you know and I always tell people look to have them eat it outside the house you know we grew up kosher dr. Lyle and my parents didn't always keep the the they let us eat non-kosher food but only outside the house and at first I thought well you're kind of hypocritical but as I grew up I realized that was brilliant mm-hmm that if we were going to do that better outside the house so that our house could remain kosher for the rabbi to eat at and and I think it's the same thing with this junk food if you don't have to say I'm never gonna have this again but to not happen in your house I think is reasonable yes and particularly anything that is that is very attractive to the individual that's trying to be healthy people could put food in my house I couldn't care less and they sometimes have so there's been eggs in my refrigerator i I couldn't there a lot I'm not gonna do anything with it right and so the but it depends on what it is so we don't want stuff in the house that will lure us into the trap that's not a good idea yeah just in case somebody watching has never heard of the pleasure trap just briefly what is the pleasure trap yeah the pleasure trap is is what happens to us when we run into an environmental stimulus that we were not designed for so for example we could be a teenager that gets introduced to cocaine hmm you were not designed for cocaine nope so cocaine what it does is it hyper activates the pleasure centers of the brain your brain is designed with sensors that tell it when its run across things that are unbelievably valuable for survival and reproduction like attractive members of the opposite sex for example or same-sex depend upon your proclivity but the point is attractive members of our species and really tasty food and also very beautiful environments beautiful environments are beautiful landscapes are things that tell us that this is a good place for us to live and so you we are we are designed by nature with essentially beauty detection mechanisms and that will also include smells so for example when it comes to mates we are designed to actually like certain smells of mates because it indicates that their immune function chemistry is a very good match for arms so little did we ever know this but chemistry literally is chemistry right down to the level of immune system the so we are attracted to certain things and it's going to turn out that you can make those things what we call super normal so super normal with food we put the food together and take it apart and essentially concocted foods that hyper stimulate the pleasure pathway drugs hyper stimulate the pleasure pathway the actually modern music that's made in studios essentially does the same thing now that's a really benign version of what we're going to call process stimulation so it can be a beautiful sound and it can be a more beautiful sound than voices that you would have heard out in the village because we got instrumentation an incredible studio and so that's a super normal stimulation but there are suits so not all supernormal stimuli are dangerous but some of them are okay and and one of those supernormal stimuli is going to be the modern food supply the modern food supply chips chocolate hot dogs city ice cream you know white flour sugar salt and fat in high concentrations especially when they're together and they're together an animal food for example animal food is typically animal food all by itself out of a natural world would have been reasonably benign for people that cheese isn't right but cheese is not a natural food right and cheese is a hyper fat hyper fat salt ii product it doesn't even remotely resemble anything that our ancestors got into but we are but we have taste preferences for the chemicals of salt and fat and we were designed by nature to be very excited when something was five percent fat instead of four percent fat so a very tiny difference makes a big difference just as we can tell the difference between very small differences in sugar content between an apple that's right than one that's not quite right so we're designed to be highly sensitive to very small differences in these chemicals and the modern food just takes that completely to the men in other words instead of an Apple being 280 calories a pound Apple in other words an apple with with maybe 9 calories in a bite mostly fiber and water and vitamins and minerals and a little bit of sugar a very ripe Apple might be 10 calories in a bite so literally 1 calorie difference an apple that is 300 calorie pound type Apple that one carry parent one carry a bite difference is the difference between not one and eat dot Apple and want to eat that Apple 9 covers against 10 but a same size bite of chocolate is 100 calories so you can imagine that 9 calories is literally unacceptable 10 calories is very good you can now imagine what happens when we go to 100 calories that that is essentially over blowing the circuits and if you if you eat things that are chocolate and you pay attention you'll if you're if you watch what happens in you you introspect on it it literally is over blowing the circuits you essentially can't even taste the impact of that within seconds after you've eaten it it is so intense that the taste buds essentially lose their sensitivity very quickly and it's only because stimuli is so overwhelming that you can continue to taste it at all and so but once you have had this that nervous system remembers that that is way richer than the Apple and so you're highly motivated to return to that because it knows that that's 10 times the calorie density and since you're designed for an environment of scarcity anything that is very intense and rich constant concentration that's why we call it rich food we don't call it poor food not call it rich okay the and so we are you know that's what rich means ie laden with the stimulation and so that's uh that's that's the problem of the pleasure trap is that that once exposed to this we have an addiction like process that sets up and it's it takes a great deal of diligence to get out of anything like I like that word diligence because people willpower I don't think I do but I am diligent because I see what happens when you go back to the chocolate then the apple doesn't taste good but I want my Apple to taste good so I stay away from the chocolate yes yeah and it does require diligence and as this is this is one of those things you know I'm saying if you if you want to be a creative artist Hollywood you don't need this you just need to be wildly creative with a big right brain and a lot of color splashing for your personality okay but if you want to do this walk okay I want to actually get fit and you want to get healthy it requires this diligence and if you don't haven't you have to cultivate it as best you can and and protect your environment you know like you were protecting your children right I don't want to interrupt too much because you're so brilliant dr. Lisle but people are commenting and sure says I love him he is just the most kind knowledgeable man and Heather you forgot handsome but okay it's just because people are saying out painting very kind things about you you know am i you know gar Goldhammer sure he's an unusual specimen yes because he has not yet been exposed to the pleasure trap right and I remember once at TrueNorth you know we were doing cooking demos it was the extravaganza and so the cooking demo ended I think about 3:30 dinner is served at 5:00 and we make food that he would be able to eat yes but it was not yet dinnertime and it was I think like something like a pumpkin muffin not not too hyper palatable but maybe a little bit more so plain and so I guess about 30 and so he said gar would you like a muffin you know and he literally like looked at it and like for five minutes and it was like he was running some kind of calculation and he said yeah I would but I think if I eat that then I'm not going to enjoy my dinner yes I mean they're like most humans it's just it's som eat and I'm like I learned something from that and that's what I learned is that yeah if I eat some of this rich food maybe I won't gain weight but then I'm not going to enjoy my food right and so I would rather enjoy the food every day like I do then have to keep neuro adapting from this rich food to the simple food sure and that was a little you know a kid little kid a kid that kind of made me think about things that way yes you're sure I could have this then Mac enjoy my food of course yeah yeah absolutely yeah and it comes to him pretty naturally yeah you know I mean so he he's one of those people that was born with that kind of natural vigilance yeah and and good for him that's why his dad was able to pull this off well you know I'd mentioned that that dr. Alan Goldhamer has a unique personality for to be able to succeed in this yes if we don't have that personality should we just say why even try I'm screwed no that that would be like someone who is for example getting B's in high school and they're watching somebody else who breezes through it gets A's it says why bother you know I'm saying so wait a second the if we if we don't work reasonably hard we're going to get c's and d's uh-huh if we work very hard we may get some it's Samsung so so the notion is is that that of course there are people that are going to be more naturally gifted in some areas in life that's just that's just the way this is and so Alan I don't know with Alan's bland palette he could never be the chef that you are right but he liked the soup that you liked interestingly enough the creamy curried kabocha squash soup you both liked it yes and that had a little bit of spice to it right this is salt free but it had a little curry and I was surprised you both actually enjoyed that suit right because we usually I'm a little I got a little more Flair a little more open to it yes perience yeah so I'm gonna like things a little jazz here that he's gonna like him but I was surprised that he but we liked it it all liked it and I was very very pleased that he could still recognize good food even with his yes mmm yeah yes that's interesting it's via the holidays coming up this is a period notorious for people relapsing going off plan gaining weight and a lot of them feel like well you know I feel so many times you know why I even try like I had a Snickers on Halloween I may as well just eat my way through to oblivion until January 2nd but I believe you're going to be a guest on the upcoming holiday webinar and hopefully give us strategies but we give people hope that it's it's not hopeless it's not futile that they don't have to eat themselves into oblivion and and they can do a pretty good job yes this is going to be a lot more it's going to be much easier for people that actually control their own living environment once again and so for myself when I've gone through situations where there was a party or some such thing and I had a bunch of food around after a holiday extravaganza what what I did was I threw it all out the next day nice now let me tell you this is very interesting if there's one thing that comes close to a skill one of the skills that I developed I actually can tell you how this happened I had a friend of mine who lived in a high-rise and they they didn't take your trash downstairs to the dumpster you had a lawn at like a laundry chute big high run zone so you walk out into the into the hallway and you dropped your garbage sack into a chute and I somebody had given me like a box to cease candy and I had brought it over and so we had a few pieces of it and I was looking at that because there was a pound of it mm-hmm and there's two of us I'm thinking I know this woman is it going to want very much more of us and I am definitely not I do not want to sit here and finish this box which I will yeah if I just let events unfold and so what I did was I I took out about three or four pieces and I set them on the counter and I took that box and I took it down out to the laundry ship I mean at the Tara shoe yeah what was interesting about it was that it only took a few seconds and it's gone the decisions over rights okay and so this this I had another incident about this is a little bit this is there's a concept under here and the concept is you want to break down a problem into something that may actually only be a few seconds and you can live through almost anything for a few seconds and so I only had two I only had to have a nap discipline to say it's going to take me five seconds to walk out this door get that shoot throwing machine it's done the decision is over I'm not going to have to be sitting here making these decisions back and forth and negotiating with myself for the next hour and a half it's not going to happen okay so I'm just going to get it done and the I had another situation many years ago when I had a friend that was goading me to go on the Texas giant which is a big high roller coaster in dallas-fort worth Wow and I didn't want to go and I was just stubborn scary I'm just stubborn enough it's like no I don't need to do this for my life and and I was really getting a lot of pressure and I looked at this thing and I stared at this and I actually stared at it for about 15 minutes as they kept people kept going down this thing and I noticed something and what I noticed was the big drop was the only drop that was scary okay the secondary drops were not that big a deal oh geez the big drop I timed it was two seconds Wow so I said to myself I can last anything if I know it's two seconds yeah so I went on that thing and I told myself all the way up that thing it's two seconds it's two seconds that's two seconds and then you know I remember like yelling as I'm coming down but I knew it's only two seconds yeah and so it's there it's gone and then it's like okay the rest of the right I'm fine and so that is how I got through the Texas giant and I was not that upset about it whereas I didn't before it was like no way I'm not doing that that's too upsetting for me and I'm saying and so in the same way I've now learned that discipline or problems a lot of times take it's a few seconds it's not very much so a bunch of crap in your kitchen one conceptual problem that people have is about money and food this goes back to the Stone Age you don't waste food in the Stone Age you're scarcity but today you have to realize no we're wasting food like crazy and food is at an excess and don't try to save five bucks by saving all the junk food this is the total waste it's a Miss it's a Miss allocation of your life's resources you we'll never be hungry nobody that is living in range of this video will ever you know be long-term hungry in their life they may be hungry because they're waiting in an airport without food but you will never you will not die from a shortage of food right that will never that is impossible that's interesting right so once you get that idea the idea is you can throw this food out wrong way that's somebody give it to an Avery yeah too much that's even too much trouble for me what I do is once I get a head of steam I start taking action on these things and I'll clear out that kitchen and get rid of everything and it'll be gone in two minutes it's over so Andrews spud fit Taylor who you are going to meet at the next MacDougal advance study weekend he's the bloke from Australia eating nothing but potatoes for a year he's lost 120 pounds right says hello to you and he says the moderation myth is my favorite chapter from any book I've ever read this oh my dress yeah and he's doing he's doing really great now yeah you know I noticed I've died with you a few times and you seem to be very similar to my husband Charles and it drives me crazy but both of you guys leave food on your plate yes and I died also with Alan we don't leave any food it's like us Jews I don't know what it is maybe from Pete in Nazi Germany but me and Alan don't leave food on our plates and you and Charles do and I always look at you like and then maybe you'll even have dessert but it's like but how can you be sure you live something on your plate you're gonna leave something on your plate yeah my dad said you don't do that right right yeah I actually somewhere along the line I got it in my head this was probably from reading the research that's done that shows that animals that are systematically underfed live longer rooms and so this one comes from way back from you know 25 years ago for me and I once that idea was in my head and it was well-established in scientific literature but I started to have this little open loop in my head that said yeah just just eat 95 percent of what it is that you want that's like a Japanese thing called Hara Bochy boobers I eat a little bit less a little bit less and so I'm not going to say I do it all the time mm-hmm because I'm not always thinking about it but I generally do think about in other words as I as I come to the end of what's on my plate my attitude is can I easily live without it and the answer is almost always yes and so I just leave a little bit on my face just I can't I try but that laughs boy it's like what do we do throw it out yeah I just turn up hey I think I'm going to try and I'm going to try to do it in your honor yeah so we don't want to get political but we have an election here that have said a lot of people sure and what was interesting is a lot of people relapse the day after the election they were upset yes and and I understand that it's upsetting but a lot of things in life are upsetting people have things happen to them trauma drama abuse we all do we all have stress and you once said that people don't eat for emotional reasons they take drugs for emotional reasons and but the foods that people are eating are these drug like foods sure so you're being the psychologist I'm sure you help people with things other than weight loss how do we get people to not have eating these hyper palatable foods as the default we are going to lose loved ones we're all going to have things happen that we would rather not that's life sure so how do we retrain people to not just go from the sorrow to the cookie jar but maybe what what can they do instead well the truth is is that these these these events are always more complicated than anybody says so in the same way that your success AJ was you are literally on the 5-yard line and then you needed a little bit more information and then you're in the end zone that's what happened to you okay the in the same way that when people are wobbling okay and they say oh well the election happened I'm all set and then I had to go the Dairy Queen right that's exactly what they said yeah they were wobbling before that happened ah because I was upset too but I didn't make me eat if anything of a me Nadya because I was sick to my stomach all good why this is then see it's not so simple and and it's also it's a little something that I've said it is that I want to I want to clarify so people understand kind of where I'm coming from my Sorrell eyeball estimate of this notion of emotionality and eating is that that people will eat for some they will do some celebrating they'll do a little bit of medicating with it with ie they'll try to move the needle on their present emotional state with food but it's always rich food people don't people don't eat for emotional reasons they eat junk food from exactly because they don't just go say God I have more broccoli slaw right now never never okay and also what I'm trying to also help people explain is that the reason a junk food isn't for deep problems emanating from their childhood mmm-hmm that is that's what I'm attacking in the pleasure trap that's what I'm trying to explain what I'm trying to explain is is that the the tendency for people to teach junk food is a is a trend species characteristic this isn't just humans mm-hmm any animal will eat the pleasure Trump any animal we push drop the pleasure trap is you can addicted to anything that would naturally Stoke its dopamine pathway yeah and so we don't need to be hypothesizing deep reasons why somebody's having a problem at 35 staying on a healthy diet we already know why they're having trouble staying on a healthy diet it's because they were designed by nature to eat the richest food in their environment so we don't have so the one of the things that I think is I think psychologists and individuals and the people themselves are puzzled because they don't understand they want to do a good job why are they not doing a good job and so the disconnect between what is that they want to do and what is that they're doing leads them to think that there's some mysterious boogeyman that is actually causing this to happen that is not the case there's nothing wrong with the individual the individual is actually simply playing out the natural programs of motivation that are in us but in an environment now that has a drug leg food and so do we go towards drug like food when we get emotionally perturbed sure we do not that makes perfect sense but we're never going to get rid of those emotional perturbations because those rapport of life right and so what can people do instead I mean what do you read because I'm sure that you have things in your life that are not always the way you want but you don't go in eat that food what I will tell them to do with this is there's of course as I said when you hear this story they say it is you put it why do they go to cookie jar well why is there a cookie jar and why does it have cookies in it yeah and why are you within reach of it right and we come back to the problem with my environment and so the the so there this is going to be an ongoing challenge but the better you manage your environmental circumstances the less and less this is going to be a problem I think that's why the holidays are so difficult because people are leaving their safe environment just going to so many parties where they're not in control of their food which is why I don't go I just and they're polluting their own environment sure so they're here you're making it a problem and you should know that if you do this if you if you walk into teasing yourself which many of us are going to do then it's useful for you to know something about about essentially your your nature with us and that is that because whenever you whenever you have a super normal situation you eat a Snickers bar you have an ice-cream cone you have a bag of Fritos then what's going to happen is those are very exciting events biologically they're very intense and as a result they're remembered very well mm-hmm and so those memories are going to be very salient for the next few days now they will fade just like it just like what you talked about with your friend at dinner two weeks ago you can't hardly remember what you talked about it's faded you might have remembered very well the next day have we started to cue you but two weeks later you might not even be able to pull it out of there it's essentially gone in the same way that that you're you're the potency of the imagery is that is recalled into you know in memory about an eating experience will fade fairly quickly but not that quickly so in other words you can imagine stone each situation where there's a rich that's a tree of ripe peaches and you ate five of them yesterday and you remember the next day what it tasted like and you remember that they're still there so I'm saying so it would make sense that we our memories would still be pretty salient two weeks from now the peaches are ripe and they're gone and if we were eating them two weeks ago they're probably not there two weeks later so therefore the memory is not pounding us with it and telling us to get back over there and that's exactly what will happen we've got your toughest time after you have adults yourself is probably about 72 hours well you have to understand that if you walk down that path for little ways your job is to stop yourself right there to grit your teeth for a little bit and get through the three days that it's going to take where those memories are not pulling either about 72 hours yes you know I just want to mention a comment I think you'll get a kick out of because you said human beings were designed for this environment Shirley says she was not designed for this kind of election okay and Colleen is calling it election depression but you know when it people like they don't get engaged or get a promotion and they go eat yes it's always seems simply negative event a family member died so what do they do they just call you for an appointment which by the way dr. Doug Lyall does do consult such reasonable a price he has and you can do even a half hour you can book it on his website which is WWE were he will do private consultations on phone or Skype I'm telling you he'll blow you away so how do you help these people because they are going to have people loved ones died they're going to have so there's guy what I'm trying to say is what what do we do I mean when these stresses are core and they're going to a core sure so what do you do called call you go for a walk ah you know I'm not worried about it what I'm worried about I'm not so worried about that somebody may go off the store and get some licorice because that's what they always did yeah so but what we now have to understand is that if you have wobbled off-course and you're having time getting back on you need to know that you've got about a three-day you know about three days worth of trudging and that's all you have to do and and the first day is by far the hardest and the second day is quite a bit easier and the third day is not too bad at all my day for you're back in the groove you can be back on and there's a there's there's other things that are happening beyond the memory decay from from rich food also your self-esteem takes a can you go offshore and it your self-esteem does not spring back immediately so if I have a person that's struggling with alcohol and they relapse on on Friday the if they if they turn it around on Monday they do not feel so good about themselves on Monday they're still feeling kind of bad about themselves that they went on a bender so they don't their self-esteem doesn't spring back there but if they got it out Monday and they got it out Tuesday and they got it out Wednesday by Thursday morning they're starting to feel like okay I'm not disgusted with myself I'm doing a pretty good job and so in that same way you know we need to tap into the resilience that they become so this the problem is is that we have two problems when we know what we should be doing and you know and it's a difficult thing to do and then we we go off course and we are indulgent to things happen number 1 we get the supernormal stimuli and the memories that will try to chain this into a recurrent behavior forever and so that that's what will happen the second problem is our self-esteem takes a hit so it's literally two different motivational problems are triangulating and making it difficult for us to turn this around so we need to know that we're you know three days away from not only starting to tame the pleasure trap but also starting to regain a lot you know a significant amount of our lost self-respect and so that's what we need to do and if we do that you can you can turn this thing around that makes sense I didn't realize it that it also their self-esteem has taken hit and that's why it's so hard not just from the physiological part of having all that crap in their system that's making them crave it but then they're also feeling bad about them so it's at least even that is a huge part of the motivational dilemma here is that a person may have gone for six months really clean and then when they go off there's a part of them that is disgusted with themselves and and so that since they plan to be so good when they weren't so good the idea of starting again today it's like well what's one day in a row that's nothing 180 days in a row where I did great so what does it mean for me to go one day in a row that's not impressive beat themselves up when they beat themselves up over this and instead what they what they don't know is how close to the surface a recovered self-esteem is so literally because they're still discussing with themselves and they're in the throws of the poser trap with hot memories this can now chain a set of self-destructive behavior that could last the rest of their lives mmm okay and so this is bad news and you and I've seen it we've seen people go off course and then just stay off forever or you know or take years to get a year's to get back and it's when they didn't know that their self-respect was only about three days away they didn't know how close to the surface the world was they're gonna help people hearing this because we got one gal that was gone for three years yes she had known it was only three days three days by the time you get to the end of three days and you've done a good job there's a little internal voice start saying not too bad Sally not too bad you know I mean you feel like you're back in the club and you have deserved reentry and that's it it's important to know that so that we can turn people around quickly so guys look it's not about relapsing is about just getting back on now you know you've heard from the expert you might have a couple of difficult days but it's just three days it's just so one of the reasons I don't relapse you might have heard the stories the one time I did the first face I saw was Goldhammer and I'm just afraid now too he's just going to appear and manifest Jenelle's Restless oh boy so you know in the pleasure trap one of the things that I found interesting was a concept I had never heard before which was about the satiation yes I don't know where you learn that but the calorie sectors the nutrient receptors and the stretch receptors in this whole concept of stretch receptors was new to me and I still find it interesting and I wonder because we were all eating lunch together it was about eight of us various shapes and sizes and we were eating different volumes of food and we were talking about the feeling of wanting to feel full and three of us and these were actually all people we were all slender now people it's not slender before eating the largest volumes of food and we said well we're volume eaters but do you think people very in there either maybe the sensitivity of their stretch receptors because Charles eats less food than me by volume and you give him one extra cashew news with Warren so full yes whereas me I seem to need a lot of food to feel full which is why I love calorie density do you think it's a genetic thing or do you think it's because I was overweight or maybe had an eating disorder is this just something that varies in the genetic realm mostly this is going to be genetic okay so there there's going to be differences in sensitivity to different signals so their stretch signals or specific nutrient signals like fat so Charles I've met Charles he's built like me you guys are two peas in a pod Charles and I are a couple of guys that if you feed us a little chunk of fat our system says whoa you just gave us a lot of calories right he could sense it when I would try to hide nuts in his smoothie he would drink half of it and goes I don't know what you did but I'm full yeah totally yeah that's exactly the experience I have so and so and yet there's people where it'll pass it'll pass them right by they'll eat the same pound and a half of food whether it has 1,800 calories that or 900 our set and this is you know this is the problem with rich foods the problem with rich foods are not that it's not going to hurt the freaks like Charles and I the con sense a calorie from a mile away it's going to be most people most people are not that don't have that much sensation which is why oil is so insidious which is why a restaurant meal that you made at home the restaurant would be 500 calories more but it's from oil and you can't sense it yes absolutely yeah Charles and I are the equivalent of people with really really good vision there's we can just see we've got like 2200 divisions like we can see way further than everybody else and we can see the calories coming and the most people cannot see the calories coming that is God forbid you're you're near-sighted yeah I mean when in fact if you are a curvy girl or a big strong guy you almost certainly cannot see those calories coming which is means you better know where they are because you can't see them so interesting this do you think that people very genetically in the ability of how much fat they can eat and be fat because I know there's doctors some of them plan face but some of them not telling us to eat a lot of fat whether it's oil or knots and then some like dr. Esselstyn and dr. mcdougal who are telling us to eat low-fat and which is where I stand and dr. Goldhamer but I guess what I'm trying to say is are there is this a genetic variation as well because some people can eat a lot more factor and be slender sure and it's sort of like Jack Sprat could eat no fat his wife this is a genetic thing right horse Stilson it's absurd to be telling people they eat a higher fat diet because the truth is is that all of us are going to do really well down it you know 15% fat mm-hmm and and some of us will do just fine at 30% so Charles and I would be fine yeah we could we could in provided we didn't have cardiovascular proclivities we we could we could eat oil on our food Cheyenne we would we would eat it in a modest amount but we could eat probably 30% fat die and still look about the way we do yeah the but we would be quite as healthy but it'd look about the cent yes whereas somebody else eats 30% fat and they're going to be 40 pounds overweight they can't get away with it yes be telling people I could just see some moderate to thin doctor who with his with his family you know I'm saying that it's also moderately thin genetically saying that's not a problem it's like oh yes it is a problem you got to look at the whole species yes and when you look at the species as you start to add any kind of processed food it doesn't have to be fat it can also be processed carbohydrate the but when but fat in particular is so rich that when you start to add you know particularly any kind of processed method of getting that specifically oils when you do that people start to get fat even thin people get a little fat but you can't tell right can't tell the difference if you put one pound of fat on Charles nobody in the world must see it well we know it's interesting as he's six feet tall when I married him he weighed 160 he was still thin yes when we stopped oil I didn't tell him so he didn't even know that's how we know it was it was a true experiment let's see he lost um he he lost 18 pounds yes there you go in in like seven months without even knowing and that just shows that the Charlie unconscious mechanism yeah which is it's so beautiful when somebody like yourself runs experiments to it on him all the time and then when I took the nuts out he I mean now he weighs 134 pretty soon the guy's gonna waste away just because of my experiments but you know you're gonna think I'm crazy but I did the same thing to my dog Bailey yes and I mean and that's it I didn't do it on purpose but she had gained weight and then she had a liver problem she needed to lose weight yes and it was again like you say the pleasure trap it was taking the pleasure trap food which was the dry dog food right and I moved that away and I substituted half her food with cooked carrots yes low calorie density and I was able to get weight off of her but still giving her a feeling of fullness and this stuff never doesn't work it doesn't matter the species because Bailey couldn't say it was psychological right her weight gain was not psychological and her weight loss was not because of diligence sure it was because of the pleasure trap of course you got it yeah yeah I love this stuff I love this stuff I don't want to take up too much of your time but I'm going to go to one question um they've got asked you you treat children right because a woman is saying that she used her techniques for panic and told her daughter to run in place but her daughter was still freezing or something selling fruit so can the is that too young of a child to contact you or the mother in context is what I would say we want to do that child what we want to do is we want to the next move in that problem is to get more alert as to when the panic attack starts so the notion is here is that we we start to get we start to really be on the lookout for adrenaline Rises and we even want to start to do this even when it's very mild or even when it's not happening at all so for example just every now and then we're going to drill it and you need to get up and you going to run in place for a little bit and then rest and then run in place for a little bit and then rest and run in place for a little bit so we might do that might be a three minute exercise to do that the even even running a place over for a little bit who's someone who has panic a disorder will actually cause a little bit of anxiety like symptoms because we're going to be breathing hard and sweating a little bit etc so what we want to do though is we want to get the person so that even when they're having a little bit of adrenaline rise they go for this and they do this and so they watch the fact that they can process out mild amount of anxiety this then gets them more ready we don't sit and wait till we're having a full-blown panic attack we jump on this thing very early and then in doing so we we are getting the person sensitized to those adrenaline Rises and we are teaching them unconsciously that they actually have it under command and that's how that's where I would go with that child I think it they could certainly talk to me if they want to but that's what I was in um just so you guys know when I met dr. Lisle in January of 2011 I actually didn't end up I didn't try to start seeing him and dr. bull hammer for weight loss I was there from completely different reason I went to true north because I had panic disorder no agoraphobia I lived in my house for a year and lost my house because of inability to work and within one session he after having this condition for years he pretty much cured my panic disorder now the only time I have panic attacks are under extraordinary circumstances like missing an airplane or having a pitbull come at me or having a major car accident so if you have this condition it is completely treatable and dr. Lisle also got me off my psychiatric medicine so consider signing up for a consult you'll be glad you did at www.andyjenkins.com dr. Lisle you are like the funnest most brilliant best-looking plant face doctor please just say look like Ellen Alden when he smiles you're so beloved when he spoke at the in person when all the women even the married ones were saying I love him I love him I love him so so thank you is there any and he's turning red right now guys you can't see that so guys thank you for watching we will archive this we'll get this on YouTube anything else you want to say to these people you have over a hundred people watching and we didn't even announce this this is the thing oh it's a pleasure thanks for having me AJ I just love working with you it's great yeah well you guys consider coming to the live ultimate weight loss seminar on Labor Day weekend 2017 meet dr. Lyle in person dr. Goldhamer in person and thank you guys so much say good bye dr. Lao bye folks oh shoot this is so great

Channel: CHEF AJ

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Keywords: True North Health, Chef AJ, Weight Loss, Food Addiction, Relapse, Psychology, Vegan

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Length: 53min 27sec (3207 seconds)

Published: Tue Nov 15 2016