>> So 10 year writing about
Donald Trump's comments to black voters. That happened
last Friday in South Carolina. As a reminder, here is some of
what the former president said at the Black Conservative
Federation's annual gala. >> These lights are so bright
in my eyes that I can see too many people out there. But the I can only see the black ones.
I can see any white Plains. You're saying that's how far
I've come. That's how far I've come. I get indicted 4, nothing for something.
That is nothing. They were doing it because it's
election interference and then it got indicted the second time
in a 3rd time in a 4th time and a lot of people said that
that's why the black people like because they have been
hurt so badly and discriminated against and they actually
viewed me as I'm being discriminated against. It's
been pretty amazing being indicted for you. The American
people, I'm being indicted for you, the black population, my the mug shot. We've all seen
the mug shot and you know who embraced it
more than anybody else. The black population. It's
incredible to see black people walking around with my mug
shot. You know, they do shirts and they sell for 19 deaths. Pace. Pretty amazing
millions. By the way, millions of these things have been self. >> So a bunch of racism there
on top of a lie about the assault on our democracy.
I got indicted for nothing just for nothing and then they did
it again. Jeanne, your new pieces entitled Donald Trump's Con Man Hustle
from the black vote is not going to work and you took a
look at his history. >> Yeah. That's all you have to
do to be the first time Donald Trump name was in the
newspapers was in 1973 when the the Trump Trump and it wasn't
called the Trump Organization. That was the first company.
But the gist taking a leading role in the
company was sued by the Justice Department for Discrimination
for refusing to rent to African-Americans and they
entered a consent decree that promising not to do with it
anymore without 3rd admitting her guilt. So first and then,
of course, there was the Central Park 5, the black and
Latino men who were wrongly convicted, the brutal rape they were.
He took out front page star full-page ads in the New York
newspapers are saying bring back the death penalty even
after they were works on a rated. But DNA, he refused to
apologize to convince us that they were still hoping for some
reason, even though DNA proved that they were not, they were
all we still incarcerated. It goes on and on his his
history of the Wharton owns sank and overt racism. It's there for all to say.
And so anybody who looks at that I is is not to believe,
you know, they're not going to be out biometric sneakers. >> Yeah, Mike, a senior member
of the first time around what you have to lose. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's there's something resident
about that. I mean, it's it's a it's a in politics is a a the
question that you could ask in the audience, you know, but I
think the genes point the reality of it is with Trump. There is nothing there
substantively because of his own history. That would tell me
that I would have something to gain with him. And and that's
been proven time and time again, as you listen to, you
know, him talk to black people as if they're not there.
And and that, you know, when I hear him say the black people
of the minds of some 1950's redneck host whose referring to
them other even though they're in the row. Yeah. When you say
that, you know, these lights are so bright so I can only see
the black people, my the black black. I want to make too much
of it because, you know, it is what it is. It's Donald
Trump. But I think it also says a lot about the the narrative
that she puts out there that he thinks so little of the black
community that she can get our vote with, you know, giving us
greater access to menthol cigarettes and a nice pair of
gold lamaze makers. And I'm so happy you wear my mug shot on
your T-shirt because you can identify with the because most
of you in the criminal justice system. I and that's basically
his narrative to the community. Nothing about health care
disparities in black neighborhoods. Nothing about of
the head educational disparities in black. There are
no more talent, nothing about the mortality rate among him.
Nothing about fair housing. Nothing about redlining that
goes on in black communities. So they come up with some to
bit. Oh, here's another little economic development plan we
want to put out that most white people benefit from. Yeah,
because there's no resources that put into black
entrepreneur and so seriously put into black entrepreneur is
through the black economic engines that exist with those
who are creating jobs are trying to create jobs. So, you
know, Joe, I just don't the whole thing for me is just more of the pandering
BS that this generation, the Republican Party think they
can get away with. Well, that that's enough to go in
front of black people, refer to them as the black people and
and say, hey, you know, you've got your sneakers and menthols.
Yeah, I its rides me of Ross Perot. I think he was going
before the NAACP and he was he made sure everybody knew
before the speech. I wrote this speech myself and he kept referring to his
audience as you people. >> Haha that did not go have a light touch nor does it.
I don't trust her will remember in 2016 said where's my African
American where he was that they that the rally and he found one
black guy in the crowd and pointed to a man yet, Jonathan
on the air, despite does have assisted approach. Some people still think they're
going to increase the black vote for Donald Trump. I mean,
and it's like in Michigan and other states is like a corner
sound. They talk about it all the time. Again, I had campaign
officials telling May as Albert anything, he's going to get 20%
of the black vote and in 2020 as like, yeah, I'll take that
that it's just not going to happen. And you look again, talk of that did just this talk
is ceaseless Donald Trump. Somehow he appeals to black men
more and so the black vote is going to be he got about 6 to
8%. According to AP Votecast in 2016, they got about 6 to 8% in 2020 unchanged. I don't get about 6 to 8% in
2024 yet the mainstream media talks about this constantly
just like they used to talk about. Yeah. Well, you know,
Donald Trump did have the greatest economy at know he
had. In fact, he was buying Jimmy Carter in GDP. Gross.
He was behind 6 other presidents since 1960. It's
just this garbage that's repeated so much that actually
people even in the press pick it up and take it as gospel. >> Yeah, the Trump people and
Trump himself of always a very good about spinning narratives
and selling stories that yes, some in the media by you're
right. They've been talking for a while now that the Trump
would do better with a black voters, particularly black men.
As you just noted, it didn't really happen in 2020. They're
making the same case. Now we just heard it because of the
indictments because of the mug shot. Trump adviser said to me
because the sneakers because Donald Trump gets his name dry
grass in the bakers, the sneakers in rap lyrics are also
signs they think that will lead to more black voters coming for
Donald Trump. Now the Biden campaign acknowledges they need
to do better there. I'm not because the Sayre those black
voters are going to go to Trump but they might stay home.
I think there's a general sense across lot of demographics of
people and happiness that this choice. But certainly this is
part of what the re-election teams challenge he's going
forward is that that in states like Michigan, Willie, in
states like Pennsylvania, turning out their voters,
unlike say Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, they know they
need to do that in order to add to the margins there feel
pretty good about the suburbs because of Trump's overwhelming
strength in the world counties in these key battlegrounds.
Yeah. In Twenty-twenty Micah Joe Biden got 87% of the
African-American vote slipped only 2% from Hillary Clinton.
That 89% in 2016. One note Joe brought up the infamous 2016
rally moment in California where Donald Trump said look at
my African-American look at him. That man is named Gregory
Cheadle. He a couple years later left to the Republican
Party and became an independent because of Donald Trump. >> So looking ahead to Michigan
Cat, okay. And then Adrian, what are you looking for and
are some of the concerns we've talked about here given the war
with Israel. >> The big issue for President
Biden causing grief runs in concentric circles, writing to
people who living in Michigan who are Americans of
Palestinian American who have actually family members in
Gaza. Yeah, this isn't going to go away very soon. I think
there are lots of groups who are disaffected with Joe Biden
at the moment. You may well come back to votes the
Democrats in November. But if you've lost, a mother always
lost a father, if you will, to. Grandparents will use lost
a child. It takes a long time and then I'm going to get
what's happening in Gaza. Very quick. And I'm I'm hearing
it from our American friends. I'm hearing from Palestinian
Francis is deeply personal to them. So you may well see the
largest group of uncommitted voters. And I think this
partisan a second confess that Donald Trump, right, but it's
something that I stay home in November. One of the groups who
at the moment suggesting that they are unhappy with Joe
Biden. I think that is the food because Michigan is such an
important state. That is the group that the White House
should be most were in danger and the White House is trying
to sort of shift and raw but they're dealing with and
unwieldy partner and in Israel. Ah, with
Netanyahu got kind of a difficult challenge for
President Biden. How is the administration doing in terms
of trying to counter some of these very deep resentments and
feelings among American voters, Arab American voters? >> I think it's important to
know that they are taking a 2 track process here. As we noted
in the previous hour, you've got Jake Sullivan and Tony
Blinken, some real seasoned veteran pros who are traveling
to the Middle East constantly, you know, doing, you know,
behind the scenes diplomacy a very effective way. At the same
time, of course, the administration to campaign is
really trying to reach those Arab American voters and trying
to have at least a dialogue going on. So I think we see
what happens in Michigan today is going to give number one the
campaign a road map. Yeah. But you know, where are the
voters are? Are they are we able to get them in our corner?
I'm it's also important to know is we also talked about the
previous hour that the protest vote in Michigan. This is not a
new phenomenon. There are protest vote against Barack
Obama in 2012 at this is something that happens in
Michigan every cycle. And so I think it will give the
administration the campaign a roadmap to determine where they
are with these voters. What kind of work needs to be done
between here and November? Because to your point, they're
not going to go vote for Trump. I mean, would we do not believe
that to be the case, especially the person you enacted or what
said he was an act about the Muslim ban within the first 6,
6, weeks in office, right. But what kind of work that we
have to do? This is going to this road map. Absolutely, Joe. >> Well, I just that he also
talked about a Muslim registry. He what he what he tried it.
You know, he was campaigning talking about out. He was going
to force every Muslim in America. The enter their name
into a registry just just like Jews had to and not see Germany
in the 1930's. So you're right. I don't think they're going to
go there. But, Jonathan, we're still a long way to
November. And again, what for for good reason because a lot
of it's classified, but most Americans and a lot of Arab
Americans in Michigan who are rightly upset, rightly
concerned about the direction of this war don't know now, but
will probably no later the constant work that the entire
Biden administration has been doing, not only trying to push
a Benjamin Netanyahu, you know, they're just stop stop just
widespread attacks in Gaza and giving up on him for the most
part, but also working fever. She lead AM and day out since
this crisis began with Arab leaders to work toward a
two-state solution. Were Palestinians and Israelis can live freely safely and with
dignity. >> Yeah, the Biden
administration misses no opportunity to say the 2 state
solution has to be the end result here despite Prime
Minister Netanyahu's protests. And it's difficult to prove a
counterfactual to prove a negative. But Biden aides have
been clear all along that they have been successful in
restraining the Israeli response that they think that
were not for the president's efforts were not for the
tireless efforts of Secretary of state Blinken, NASCAR
adviser, Sullivan and others that Israel would have hammered
Gaza that much harder. The civilian death toll. We'll be
that much higher. In addition to the public protests we're
seeing from administration trying to get Israel to rein it
in and there's some hope. But again, we should underline
here hope that a cease-fire and hostage deal could be just a
few days way. But we have been there before and most previous
talks have broken down. So we shouldn't bank on it just yet.
But in terms of the electoral revocations in Michigan, other
states, too, but particularly Michigan with its large, our
Eric and Muslim American population to to the point just
made there by catty and others. There's a lot of anger in that
community. And there is a sense from the Biden team that even
if the Gaza War us live from the headlines as the year goes
on, not all those voters are coming back to not vote for
Trump, but they're not going to necessarily come for Biden and
I find your stay home or find a 3rd party candidates. So
there's going to have to be some repair work. There's some
talk of a presidential visit to Michigan before too long to
begin that process, Willie, but they know it's going to be
hard. And they've also looked at trying to piece together
other coalitions in that state, a key battleground in November. >> It is primary day in
Michigan and for the Republicans. Today's results
will determine only 16 of Michigan's 55 delegates.
The 39 others will be decided Saturday during a state party
convention. But there will be competing conventions this
weekend because of a leadership dispute with then the GOP
Kristina Karamo and election deny or and Donald Trump
supporter was removed as chairwoman last month following
a vote by state party committee members. She has refused to
accept the results. >> And still claims to be the
party's leader Ahmed. >> Her own election results
were shocking. I mean, this is Robin said his side of things
stayed calm. Sometimes you need to step back, right? Have an
actor. You go. Why are things happening the
way they are? And I know we've all seen up beds talking about
this the years, but the Republicans have lost 7 of the
last 8 presidential elections when it comes to popular vote,
they've been able they figured out and 16 how the way and just
barely. And they did it through the Electoral College. But, you
know, and she not to get to the defendant here, but I'm going
to defend it because it's just kind of what they do. If you
take away Ralph Nader in 2000 and then you take a deal signed
in 2016, get this a Republican, a Republican would not have
been elected president this entry. And that is, of course,
assuming Bush doesn't run in 2004 when reelection, but but
the Republicans have lost the country. They've lost, you know, they've
won one. This is amazing. Since 1992 Republicans have won
the popular vote one time. So what do you do, Joe, if you
know you're going to lose that you've lost a country, not
going to change anything, you're just going to keep
denying elections and they're trying to protect it now. >> I tell you what first thing
you do is you gerrymander. But how about everything, right
to put that right up for building an advantage and you
put your thumb on the scale every way you can watch the
program. But it did. And you still move. So the only
recourse after that is just to say, no, it didn't happen.
It just I didn't move as I actually was. Even so even
though you lost and that's oh, there it is in credible that
this is sort of being repeated down the ranks of the
Republican Party about you have the situation in Michigan where
this really, yeah, I think this is a term of art for this to
complete work is quite think that's just be head of the
party would whether it's really Hoekstra Dow. We'll see.
We'll have to you don't have to Duke it out. So >> I'm fairly or this month the
Republican National Committee recognized Pete Hoekstra who
was endorsed by Trump as the state's party chairman. He will
oversee a convention in Grand Rapids. Well, Karamo is holding her gathering
in Detroit. Then on the Democrat side,
President Biden is expected to easily defeat Congressman Dean
Phillips of Minnesota. But his biggest challenge is likely to
come from the state's large Arab American population who
may not vote for him in protest of his handling of the
Israel-Hamas war. Joining us now, Democratic Governor
Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan. She is national co-chair for
the Biden has as 2024 campaign. It is great to have you back on
the show in this capacity. And Katty Kay has the first
question for you, Governor Caddy. >> Governor, thank you so much
for joining us on this primary day. When you look ahead to the
results, whatever comes out of Michigan today in terms of the
Democratic Party, what do you think the Biden campaign might
love from today's results for how they should go into the
November election and talk specifically about that
committed vote and you'll states Arab American community? >> Sure. Well, I appreciate the
question can be good to be with you all. You know, I would just
say this is Michigan's first opportunity to weigh in early
into this presidential primary season. It's always kind of
mind boggled me that we left other states go first one.
This is the most first swing state in the country. Elections
are always close in the state of Michigan and this year will
be no different. It's going to be a close election as we go
into November today. I anticipate that we will see a
sizable number of people vote uncommitted, as we know, are
huge air of Palestinian and Muslim communities are going to
voices some of their opinions with regard to her, how we're
handling what's happening over in Gaza and Israel. We also
have a robust Jewish community here. And these are 2 very
important communities that have lived in harmony in this state
for decades. And there's a lot of people who are hurting.
So that's what I expect. I also am expecting that
President Biden will be the victor in today's primary as
well. Very likely President Trump between all the chaotic
different things are happening and the GOP here on the ground
and that this will be the match up. And as we look to November,
it's going to be a stark choice once again. >> Yeah, governor, what other
issues are Michiganders dealing with challenge to buy that will
play a role in their decision today and down the road? >> Well, one of the things that
we now has in Michigan, we were able to secure reproductive
freedom in our Constitution. 22, I wiped the 1931 law off the
books with the stroke of my pen and we've expanded reproductive
rights. I think as we see in what's happened in Alabama,
this issue is not over even here in Michigan where we've
secure these rights. If there's a second Trump presidency, we
could see a national abortion ban. That means IVF. That means
embryonic stem cell research as well as obviously the
fundamental right to make our own choices about our bodies
and our health care. So this is very much at risk for American
women and girls and families on this upcoming ballot. I think
that, too, is something we can't let people lose sight of. >> Governor, it's Jennifer
Palmieri. Good to see you. I thought that you had to Vice
Prime high at the vice president was in Michigan in
Grand Rapids on Friday. I think with a Congressman Hillary
Scholten, a big trust women banner behind both all 3 of
your and that with on on this question of IVF and that even
with the bout initiative, you still had to give got
guidance to doctors that they can continue to do that.
They could continue 10 give IVF treatments. So I know
that it's still yeah, very much at these rights are still very
much at risk. But tell me about the economy, Michigan. I know
things are things are going well, by most every measure
their the president was the first first president to come cross a picket line as he did
with the UAW strike there believe the UAW strike helps to
raise wages, not just but the striking plant, but for
carmakers trying to makers overall, how how are people
feeling about the economy? It's a president, get any
credit for it. >> But you know, there are so
many great positive signs about the strong economy coming out
of COVID. And as we're seen on shoring of supply chains, the
chips act, the ire, these are income, credible, historic
things that the Biden Harris administration was able to get
on that infrastructure week which everyone talks about.
They got it dot and South fix. The d*** roads were doing that
were seen battery plants that are being built here. 5 in
Michigan alone. This is about the future of our economy.
This is about lowering costs for people and this is about
good paying jobs. As you said, John, this president walked the
picket line with the UAW who is able to get a historic contract
for it's men and women who are its members. And I think that
this is a really a moment in time where you see another
striking difference between it, 4 more years of a Biden Harris
administration or the prospect of a second Trump won. You
know, the former president showed up in Michigan
supposedly to walk the line with union folks pie. He want
to 9 union shop. This isn't about talking points. People
are not. They're not stupid. They know who's been there and
they know how important this upcoming election as and it's
our job to my job to make sure that people understand the
serious high stakes in this upcoming election. >> Governor Whitmer, good
morning, Jon Soleimani. I want to return to the protest vote
we just spoke about as you well know for so many people in your
state. It's a deeply personal issue in this. We'll anger
there how this White House has helped support Israel conducts
its war. It's one thing to have a protest vote in the primary.
But the president's going to be a lot of those voters in
November. How do you as a Biden campaign surrogate and the
president himself and his team, how do you win them back?
Not necessarily. They would vote for Donald Trump. They
might choose to stay home or vote for a third-party
candidate. And if that were to happen, that really hurt the
president's chances of winning your stay. >> Without question, you know,
this is a state that out. It's always close elections.
There's a sense of urgency. And, you know, is I've engage
with with Michiganders of, you know, various backgrounds.
I know that this is time high concern. It is re traumatizing
for so many people who've come to Michigan or other their
ancestors came to Michigan to flee violence like they see
playing out on TikTok halfway around the world every day it
is re traumatizing. So I think it's going to be important
that, you know, the administration continue to
engage with leaders and individuals in the Palestinian
community, the Muslim community, the Arab American
community, as well as the Jewish community. I'm hopeful
that there will be a release of hostages and that there will be
an end to the violence that is playing out because it is
personal for so many people in the state. It is raw and it is
genuine pain that people are >> When you go through, you had
to new Douglas Farah banks. You got we are Lawrence Olivier. When 70 movies it Charlie Chaplin and Micah. Well, I was hard to even say
this because I get I get really emotional about a half years. I've known
him for so long. And yeah, he's like a member of the
family. I see our boy. He hit the big time our whole
2nd half all along. Yeah. And I'm going to start
the Nixonian flop Sweat. >> Just make sure there isn't a
tissue sticking to your face because I'm not there for you.
Always right there. He always has. Yeah. >> Now that cause so people of
this age is I'm trying to connect with 8 try to sweet
child. He said to Sweden, he's hit the big time in the
USA. He is our honey pie. And here here's a clip from Curb Your
Enthusiasm to give you an idea a little light about what I'm
talking about. I'm a little >> All right. Well, I think
this is going to work pretty well. You and I'll talk in the
interview be loose like I think it's are with you. We can do it
here. There's a lot of beautiful space and talking a
bunch of people. Everybody's got something to say about you
and a low one person did call you and ask. >> Well, call me that. Do it and hear what goalie this
chart. >> Wearing what I can do this,
OK? I don't give up my sources. I need you to respect my
journalistic integrity and the integrity or the integrity of
telling me that somebody called >> They're getting ready there.
It's a small part of a larger story, had to tell the full
picture. But it's a universal fact that everybody is called
that I'm sure Mother Teresa was called in as by someone wideout
that I know. I don't doubt it that somebody was that she's so
good. She's so good one and a half. What that will look at those
perfect hopefully lovers. >> You know, come on. I'm not
giving you the source so we can just drop it, Larry. That's it.
That's it. You know, I don't have to
commit suicide note was not dead. And son. I just know that. I just saw
that. That note that to tell those a look away us. And
that's not a look away. Let's let's move along. That's it.
It's not that that's all I'm going to say, OK? Forget, I
know as haha, I can believe it. The thing is it was joy, the death of actor the club,
Troy Kotsur, the guy who won the Oscar for coat. Yeah.
I do with the golf ball was I could do for I think a lot of
to what you think he signed to me that your mask. >> Totally. Yeah. >> Larry, let me ask you
questions long as we're talking about the club yet. Are you disgruntled Scott? Yeah, you know about
disgruntled when it got put a note on the locker room door
and there's a fight inside the closed. There's something
there. I am most certainly not disgruntled with a capital D. >> I'm just come through with a
small d Willie could be a human being and not be small. The
disgruntled. We're coming at me with some big D disgruntled
energy right here. I am not big date. Little date all the way you sure about that, Larry. Yeah, I'm sure. I do. >> I don't know. Is that more?
Get a rental and so on the water is it does it make us? And China
attack was commanding 2 Black Hawk Man and Meryl Streep.
Incredibly get him. He yes grade said nobody else has
their story, Larry. And really this is well above what what
this is your new career. I said, well, I don't like this
a future. >> I don't want to give away
too much of the plot because people watch it all week.
But let's just say I was there for a couple of days. And as I
watched on Sunday night, I was surprised at how much
they actually used it. So it's a lot of of me in the episode.
But it was you guys, you guys know and have seen to go there
and beyond that set and watch behind the scenes in person.
The genius truly, truly the genius. That is Larry David and
as executive producer and director Jeff Schaeffer, who
was a writer on Seinfeld, his right hand man to watch
them, cut it take and then going lean into what if you
said this, what if you did this? Because there really is
so much Ed live on the show. It was truly just like a pure
honor and privilege to even be there. What to to show up on
the episode. That's okay. And he come completely
eclipsed, Larry. Yeah. >> And come on little. Yeah.
A little. The dominant. Yeah. >> Really good
