Watch again: Jacob Rees-Mogg on Brexit in full

good evening ladies and gentlemen The Telegraph welcomes you to Jacob Riis MOG brexit live please welcome to the stage Chris Evans editor of The Telegraph [Applause] hello hello thank you last time I did an introduction like this I was introducing Boris whom I must now refer to as the p.m. and of course instead of saying brexit I said breakfast tonight I'm introducing a man who's banned his staff from using half the ways in the English language so wish me luck but I'll be very quick I and I'm sure many of us I'm a great admirer of Jacob I think of him and he'll probably hate me for saying this as a man of style and substance style because of his adherence to all these wonderful traditions the sartorial the grammatical and lounging on green leather benches but but substance because he is one of the most articulate and determined advocates of brexit and it's his it's both his style and his substance which have won him admirers and adversaries in equal measure he is a very distinctive politician and I suspect we're going to find although we will see that there are more admirers than adversaries in the audience tonight so I'm gonna get off now first of all I get to introduce her he's going to be in conversation with my colleague Chris hope you saw the video so chris is going to appear any second now and tell you a little bit about what's going to happen tonight the running order and I'm going to disappear but allow me to thank all of you for being Telegraph readers subscribers whatever you are and to reiterate that you're very very welcome to what I hope will be a marvelous evening thank you [Applause] ladies and gentlemen good evening my name is Christopher the chief political correspondent of The Daily Telegraph and presenter of choppers BRICS it's podcast welcome to jacob riis MOG on brexit live if you want to tweet about tonight please use a hashtag hashtag MOG live our guest tonight needs very little introduction said not the telegraph subscribers like yourselves since 2010 he's been MP for North East Somerset he entered the cabinet in July as leader the House of Commons and he's a father of six children a recently uncovered video showing him age twelve promising to be chief executive of GEC Marconi by the time he was 30 and Prime Minister by the age of 17 well ladies and gentlemen he failed at taking over GEC Marconi bass for number 10 he's 20-30 years old please welcome Jacob Riis mom [Applause] and I give good thank you very much now we'll be here from about 9 o'clock tonight when we'll leave or promptly and we'll have 45 minutes of me asking some quick questions with some slides of Jacob's life so far and it's over to you for the real big questions the ones to hold up will hold up all your favorite questions until then but check out what I've been digging through my archive on my Instagram I found some pictures of you it's the first one I found this is the you age 12 have you got that vote Maggie badge anymore I have still got a love Maggie badge somewhere around yes and I'm glad to see that one of my son's is now permanently wearing a back bar is bad say this habit of wearing political badges carries on from one generation to the next and un6 shares in u18 age 12 for this yorkshire TV program gec do you know the profit you made on this charity remember there's no quite a long time ago I'm rather a Jew you know yes but you gave them what they were know and I remember some of the companies I'm in town and city was run by Jeffrey sterling Lord sterling who I run into periodically in Parliament and who went on from PNA yes and you you you are you embarrassed by your 12 year old self saying these things I mean I don't know would I prefer that this video yes but is it is it is it deeply embarrassing no and you ought to be Prime Minister what angle 70 and you're 50 now I was great Ronald Reagan who became president when he was 70 and it was such an amazing and important force for change and for good not just in the United States in the world if you think of that period in the early 1980s how well run our country in the United States was and the phenomenal difference that made two people stand living in security and I think that's why I've thought of the age of 70 because of his his model we're getting old the leaders don't we Jeremy Cohen could be the next prime minister not careful let's hope not well what would you give it for what advice would you give to your 12 year old self Jacob Riis mom what advice would I give to my 12 year old son itself or indeed my children I would advise them to do what they want to do and to push for things that they believe in and that they're interested in and whatever they do to do it because they think it's important and interesting and not because other people are telling them to not to follow the crowd he's our next picture it's your family you name all your children I can yes I can I name all of them I can name all their names and they've all got lots of names so there we have Peter Mary I think Thomas is missing I can't see him and so Thomas is that Thomas is there Anselm Alfred in my arms slightly hiding behind nanny's head yes with Sixtus on his christening day and that's nanny of course holding six isn't it that's right that's right and she cared for you and you were a child baby oh gosh it's just it looks after me in so many ways I mean what would I do without a nanny and is it right you go up and down to the west country and back with nanny in the car no nanny no longer works weekends no she has weekends off you know where a fair employer their trade unions would approve I've got a while are you planning any more children or if you join at six well he'll does in the audience we better ask her really I think six is that was a nervous am I being heckled already by Telegraph's or wives your wife but no I think it I think six is probably it okay here's your son Peter who is here tonight yes yes there's Peter mine does he not want to be dressed like you or is it would you make him do it it's entirely up to Peter I don't make anybody do anything I do what my children tell me - I'm a very obedient father and so Peter dresses like me and my younger sons actually two of them were dressed not so long ago wearing liverpool football kids and there was a piece in The Telegraph defending their right to do this because they've been a piece in the loop aleko saying how dreadful it was that some old right-wing and me put his children in liverpool football kit it was nothing to me at all that's what they wanted to do i'm in that sense yes i'll say the word quiet because it's telegraph readers i'm quite liberal which football team use of or jacob i don't i don't follow any sports cricket cricket on somerset lost against Hampshire today which is a great disappointment sorry yes yes I don't you you don't you you don't keep your children their apps and other politicians Boris Johnson do do why is that you've made a choice there other have you asked them if they mind being photographed its passive rather than active that they've sort of been around and they come with me to things and it's great fun having them around and if they're around then they get photographed and I'm a great believer in the free press I think that if you go into public life then you have sacrificed your and your family's privacy by virtue of doing it I I don't like the encroaching privacy laws that we've got in this country I think not something anybody's ever voted for and they've come through the human rights legislation and I believe really in the First Amendment principle they have in the United States the freedom of the press is absolutely fundamental and that trumps the privacy of a child possibly I I'm afraid I think freedom of the press Trump's almost everything yes and that you're the son of course that the editor of a rival newspaper The Times absolutely no it's kind of you to mention that yeah I was just thinking before coming on my first visit to the Telegraph's building was to watch the Royal Wedding of Prince and Princess of Wales and The Telegraph had it's wonderful building on piece per court on the Strand and there's a magnificent view of the carriage procession that's right again passed and say my father was invited with all his family let me park you there well that's right that's right it's now a Goldman Sachs office yes shows where Power has moved from there Jacob do you like being a famous famous is such a funny word I'm a politician and yes politics isn't about Fame it's about ideas and getting things done and I think one ought to be very careful about the overlap between politics and celebrity politicians don't want to be celebrities but by virtue of what they do there sometimes get asked that I found this picture yeah you're having a hair spray ladies and gentlemen can I give you one piece of advice never do what you're told by photographers because they always cheat say they told me that I had to have they wanted to do photographs in a special way and it was all gonna be like this and I didn't need to worry they wouldn't let me down so the first thing they do is get some lady to squirt me with this disgusting stuff and then and then take a picture of it say never agreed to do silly things were asked to do by photographers on Twitter I asked for questions and someone mentioned your hair it's admired on Twitter do you put any on it to where product Brylcreem this brush in the more I'm the Dennis Compton of no no I know anything like that no products the attention phase he does it get in the way if you're a serious politician with serious ideas but people like to hear what you're sayin there's a serious audience here with some question but if you don't accept a degree of publicity with what you're trying to do you don't get fantastic Telegraph audience is willing to come and listen to a discussion on political matters and how do you get your arguments across how do you get people to read what you're writing or listen to what you're saying if they don't know who you are this is surely true daily in your paper everybody reads your articles because you've been writing the Telegraph for some time they think they know you and that they rely on what you say whereas if somebody completely new comes in it takes time to build up a following and so it's really important that you are known as a public person in political discourse but that mustn't ever take the arguments that you're making and drown them out I do ask that because you've never you've never said gone against your yourself heavy yards if I may say Sauer struck by your response about her to abortion that question on good morning Britain would you allow abortion in case of rape or incest and you said no because it's against your faith and I remember thinking from the lot of politicians that would be the end of their career but people accepted what you said as your aunty held opinion well I think life is fundamental and that you have to remember in these very difficult cases that there are two lives to be considered not just one and once you think about that second life it must have rights as well and I think the teaching of the church is not only something I accept because it is the truth but I accept it because I believe it personally I believe it is a fundamental importance not to forget that there is a second life and that life is valuable both at the beginning and at the end you're not willing to sacrifice that for your political career or find a wave of saying you're ambivalent towards it I mean Tim Farron the Lib Dem NEET had a real problem with it at the 2017 election I wasn't intending to get biblical but what profit is it a man if he gain the whole world but lose his soul I cannot think there is any benefit in a political career if you have to sacrifice or lose [Applause] when um when you said that on the sofa and you're going going back to the office in the car did you think well I don't know how that will land that might be difficult I said a prayer no III thought it wasn't the most popular thing that I had ever said and that there might be some reaction yes and there was yes well talking of reaction now this is on your doorstep wasn't in August last year it looks like you're given that giving the benediction there to a class more activist well we we literally I mean nannies looking like the Virgin Mary looking up at you and hello Heather's like the elders like Mary Magdalene to one side and got the Roman guard at the front and you're just forgiving you're forgiving this class poor activists aren't you well well you weren't were you what we doing to be honest I felt rather sorry for him he here's a rather sad elderly man who has nothing better to do than shout at people his daughter gave a very sad interview to The Mail on Sunday saying DISA bludging things about him it can't be a happy way of life no and but do I think people should turn up on politicians doorsteps and shout at them no broadly not I think it's a disagreeable thing to do and they my children all thought it was rather funny they weren't and they won't upset by around tea time wasn't it so they he is called ian bone and he said to you she said your children he said your daddy is a horrible person lots of people don't like your daddy do you know that he probably hasn't told you that lots of people hate him but you'll be very generous towards it well it's probably true there are lots of people who don't like me I mean I I mean I'm in public life I'm a conservative I'm a brick city that doesn't mean that everybody in the country thinks that my views are views they would like to hold and it's got to be realistic about that that and then we all do this actually that when you're watching telly and on comes let me choose none controversial figures they say John McDonnell you you watch you watch him express your views and you think that his personality must be like his views actually to meet him in the lobby of the House of Commons he's got great charm he's not an unpleasant person to talk to his views are dreadful and dangerous and would ruin the country but I don't think of him as a bad man and I think when you don't meet people it's much easier not to make that second part of the argument and you think people are as bad as their views now I that that's price of being in public life were even happy about the invasion of privacy or have they come back or they made that where they have they haven't come back that he'd made his point and he went away yeah this next picture here involves well I was lost on the stage here with Nigel Farage and that's Tim Martin from Weatherspoon's and you're laughing at a joke that's allowed isn't it only to prophase about us thank you when did you first become a brexit heir Jacob oh goodness I was opposed to the Maastricht Treaty but I didn't think for a long time that leaving was on the cards politically I thought that renegotiation was possible and not having further integration but I think breaks tears our great debt to Nigel Faraj I don't think we would have got to the position [Music] of having a referendum without the work that he did and very lamely work to begin with he didn't have much support he was a marginalized political figure but then people began to realize that the European Union was getting very badly there's been treaty was it was a turning point for that the Lisbon Treaty and the referendum we were promised and then never had by David Cameron by well by David Cameron but the Constitution was of course turned into the Lisbon Treaty to get out of the referendum promise but then the euro crisis and the ruination of many European states because of that very misguided policy yes and the realization that the European Union was a product for the fat cats the elites for the monopolists for the producer not for the consumer or the voter and people got fed up with that and we are a wonderfully democratic free society and we hadn't joined the euro yes so it was easier for us to yes make the case against it than some of the other countries I asked that because the new book its new book out by Michael Ashcroft your biography in all good book shops and he reported in 2013 that you backed him in negotiation over leaving you're faced with a choice even as recently as six years ago yes and I was very cautious about a referendum I voted for the referendum in 2011 slightly nervously because I thought we needed a referendum at the point of which the Conservative Party was committed to leaving not before and I thought we needed to do it in a more staged process the stages weren't what I had expected but I thought our chance of winning a referendum on leaving was stronger if we did it in stages rather than in one big bang on brexit are you boring you have more in common with Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson on brexit well I have everything in common with Boris Johnson I'm bound by collective responsibility but even if I weren't I find myself in regular agreement with our great leader how near we No I'm in the same position ladies and gentlemen as all of you I've been indoctrinated through reading his columns in The Telegraph decades how week after week of that wonderful diet could I not have come round his way of thinking how near did you get to joining you Kip never the world never under Cameron you might go but they were all entirely plans by were they ever going to join the you the Conservative Party is my party and I was never get Lee leave it for another party and that it temporarily had people leading it who didn't share conserved with all my views was irrelevant that that's often the way and I've always was important that the Conservative Party is and remains a broad church there is room within the Conservative Party for people who believe in the European Union and they should be welcomed within it but we need to deliver on the referendum result as a crucial matter of confidence in public policy well we'll come on to brexit there's a picture there of both looking quite Stern can you see it I think I've known those powers for about 15 years I think he what he wants strangely is to be respected and recognized by the state he ever imagined being in government as a minister in the Lord's I respect Nigel powers as I said earlier but the honours of the state Dane come from Mead and flow from me but he is a very distinguished political figure and an important contributor to what has happened within this country he is a significant British statesman it's time he was made a knighted or got a peerage do you know I think what people do is say much more important than the titles that they get given and if Nigel looks back on his career and thinks that he has changed the polity of the United Kingdom more individually than almost any other individual who has never been in Parliament I mean a proper Parliament I don't mean the European that must be a much greater reward than being given a title would you call the most influential Britain on politics in the past 30 years who's them do you call him that who's never been in Parliament yes I think you need to look at the parliamentary work you need to look at things done by people like bill cash yeah the great thing about bill is he knows all the facts yes and ultimately if you know all the facts you win the argument and he has built that up over decades and I think that is formatively impressive say there are other figures so it's not yes right just to pick on one but outside Parliament I think you can't do you know how long bill Cashman on the European scrutiny committee in House of Commons 35 years yes nearly as long as been in the European Union yeah yeah this next image I was actually in front of you squatting down it's Laura Kunz Burke you remember that that was in November last year wasn't it what are all those people doing that yeah well you asked him to be there oh did I all right who are you having a party we're having a party this is some Siemens entrance for those who don't know it him and we were we were you were then announcing that you'll put your letter in of no confidence in treason a who he was Prime Minister that up at that point yes and I did that because we had been told that there were many things that she would not do and that there were various red lines and then the withdrawal agreement came out and the Irish back stock was in which potentially bust up the United Kingdom I mean it was so sad really that all the things we'd been promised turned out not to happen and at that point I'm afraid I lost confidence in her leadership and it was a confidence I never regained did he go too early do you think or will history say it was the right moment to do it it's a very difficult question of timing that there is no good time if you the the argument that I got as we were doing it was twofold one was that we were too late because by then it was too late to change and get a new leader and have a new negotiation and the other it was too early because the meaningful debate hadn't happened and therefore her position what March is approaching and what it but you were faced with the deadline of March and the idea that you couldn't get somebody in to do the renegotiation with the vote coming later and later and the vape was the thing that maced undermined confidence and perhaps maximized your chance of winning anyway it didn't work out and I think in politics things that you try the damn work must be considered to be failed have you seen her since she she's very finicky she is very polite I have a certain sneaking admiration for her and of course she gave Geoffrey Boycott a knighthood for which I would forgive her many things because as that film showed thank you there's one other person who likes Geoffrey Boycott in it III was a great admirer of his when I was watching cricket as a child you vote voted for trees mayor steel didn t on the third time of ask I do which some breakfast needs haven't forgiven you for he might know no one here obviously but but well they're a very forgiving lot the breaks tears my sisters forgiven me she seems to cope with this and prexy Party MEP she is abrasive Party MEP very distinguished one the most distinct you front if I may say so though I may be biased but nonetheless it was a very difficult decision the deal hadn't got any better was a bad deal but I'd come to the conclusion that if we didn't accept it we risk losing breaks it altogether because Teresa may had said she would go if it got through and I thought it could be improved by a new leader that international treaties are different in substance to the European Union which is your law is written into domestic law yes and that it was better to accept a bad deal and to risk not leaving at all you were given a second chance to get back into government but the 21 who voted against and gave Jeremy Corbyn to control the order paper a few weeks ago haven't been allowed back in is that I wasn't given a second chance at new stage two trees when they make any of her baits competent baits that would have been open to her to do but she chose not to do it because she would have she said it was what she didn't say that this is now a conference about that's right that's right and confidence votes are always different and the difference in the vague recently was that it was about handing the order paper over to a Marxist now if you're a conservative I don't think it's unreasonable to say that as a matter of confidence having said that the 21 includes some very distinguished very popular very decent people and as I was saying earlier I'm in favor of the Conservative Party being a broad church so it wasn't an easy decision to make but I think it had to be made under those circumstances and you have to bear in mind that we will have an election at some point I think we need a general election I think this Parliament is not functioning and that when that comes what happens if the Tories have a majority of 10 and there are 21 MPs who still went back leaving the European Union nothing then has changed to use a former Prime Minister's favourite phrase but it needs to change because if it doesn't change our Constitution is gummed up and we're not delivering on the vote of the British people in 2016 so it was a very tough decision but it was a decision that I think is eminently justified would you vote again if mv3 now looking back well fortunately that's not going to happen because we haven't inspired and incisively yes who has said that the agreement is funked Israel way back in of the 21 if they vote the Queen speech for example I I think that it is human to our it is divine to forgive and the Prime Minister is very close to being divine I think I I did when I when I was when I was living in Hong Kong I proposed the motion that Margaret Thatcher should be Dera fide in the same basis as Roman emperors with I'd say Boris Johnson next ok did you miss your old spot in House of Commons now on the front bench yes I keep on thinking of going to sit back there because there's a door you can see just sort of behind Martin Vickers and so I was sort of wandering back to go into the chamber and I had to get started halfway up the steps and then I realize I didn't sit there and that's your place your place that's where that's where I was for nine years nine years and then and why do you choose it you're a good sir view of the chamber did you look at all John Bercow you've got a fan tip you've got a fantastic view of the chamber and you don't have to peer out when you're speaking because you're speaking towards everybody everybody is broadly in front of you well we'll come on so that you're sitting arrangement shortly all right what do you make of John Bercow he's about to embark on a very lucrative lecture to overall accounts the way its baby at the moment anyway well I think there are many good points of John Burkett I think that his aim to ensure that the House debates what he wants to to hold the government to account and to be the champion of the backbenches is absolutely admirable and as helped Parliament I think precedent is of overwhelming importance in how Parliament works and therefore overturning precedent and expressing his own views has been a mistake so I think we need to look at his service as Speaker in the round and not just on the bits that we disagree with I think a lot of it has worked very well but I think in the last nine months the new understanding of the word forthwith was clearly against all precedent the allowing of a si 24 an emergency debate to be used to form the basis for legislation the taking of the timetable away from the government have been decisions that are not justified by president is he biased bust is a harsh word he's cool biased isn't he I passed as a harsh word become been a huge on you don't be net the next speaker would you know fortunately I've got to be impartial on this matter edit and genuinely say because as leader of the House of Commons it would be wrong for the government to say it should be actual why not because that would do them any good but precisely reverse if I said I wanted I don't know who can you think of who would be a most a John MacDonald let's pick on him again and partly because he wasn't gonna stand but if I would say I want Ramadan to be speaker that would be the black spot for Tom McDonald because backbench Champy's don't want to appoint a government Lackey no fair enough now III did find this picture of you reclining yes so it's very traditional to sit like that in the house columns it has to be so okay on the front bench do you know it in in hindsight I think not I love the House of Commons I think the House of Commons is so important in our Constitution and being an MP and representing seventy thousand people is the greatest honor anybody could ever have and sitting comfortably distracted from the importance of what was going on and it upset Caroline Lucas which of course is something one wishes to avoid and and and therefore it is better not to have these distractions to explain it to you you were listening to Dominic grieve speak weren't you over your left shoulder from the back is that is that what you're doing I was listening to everybody I stayed for the whole three hours of the debate it was very interesting debate house I'm simply sitting comfortably there is no greater explanation though I did have a very nice friendly piece of Correspondence from somebody in Canada who pointed out to me that when the chamber was rebuilt after the war damaged Churchill insisted that the table that you can see in the front bench were placed closer together so that people could put their feet on the table yeah and ministers until television cameras came in to house ministers always sat with their feet on the table and it's it's of course the television cameras and being old-fashioned I can't said forgotten the cameras were there but I was just storing a nation but but but I I do accept it was a mistake I think even some Telegraph readers didn't approve and they wrote to be saying nanny wouldn't approve them we can't upset nanny's family but you were away quite near of course I was awake I was waiting through the whole thing yeah yeah yeah it did prompt the Twitter's game though they were very fun they were very funny I you've got I do like the one of the Empire State Building and I love the one with the Boris teddy bear but actually the best one came out today and I got sent in as me on the lecture next to that Luxembourger it in place of our prime minister just just just just take it easy so it wasn't yes but you enjoy being lead of the house telling you I mean it's something even so a wonderful role is there's a really important role in this time when Parliament is at the center of events and I love being little President of the Council because I have the enormous honor of meeting the Queen and like most people there is no greater Allah nor excitement than meeting one sovereign and there you are delighted bit number 10 when you how was it in Balmoral when was the plot first hash to get you up there there was no plot there was a prorogation I'm a journalist all called plots yeah we then plot governments make decisions we went up with British Airways the three relevant ministers so that was me the leader of house lords and the government Chief Whip and we had a fantastic journey from Aberdeen Airport into Balmoral because we traveled with the Queen's hairdresser I hope it's not too indiscreet to tell you that it was absolutely charming and full of a fascinating stories which I can't tell you there I can't oh no games you I know it was it was a very interesting and when see the back entrance didn't you think to avoid the cameras we went into the the back entrance but I'm afraid I'm not saying affair with Balmoral that I know the difference between the back of the front entrance a we we went in I I wasn't saying why are we going in this way I must compare and you knew what the script was and you you with Baroness sevens Whitney I think in the chief whip I think the Privy Council is very straightforward all its meetings are held standing up the Lord President of the Council and that's currently me reads out whatever the decision is and the Queen Her Majesty says approved and that is how that's all that happens it's very brief it's very straightforward it has been filmed so this is public information without touching on the legal case she worried that you were a proxy for misleading the Queen for the prime minister Oh what nonsense no absolute nonsense that I mustn't be dragged into this because of the legal case mister but Her Majesty was in no way misled it's not okay to be Prime Minister but once you are in the bookies lists aren't you I very happy then I was delighted to go in there and I have having spent the last year backing also all since and the now Prime Minister resigned as foreign secretary backing him to become leader I want him to stay on and do a jolly good job he has my complete support so no is the answer you know no forever or no now I want Prime the Prime Minister's remained the Prime Minister and I I was so excited when Boris Robbins became prime minister he has such a clear vision for what he wants to do he is a very thoughtful principled person but he makes politics fun as well and hasn't the mood of the nation lifted since he took over William it's so I feel that in terms of my own ambition I've backed the right horse and he's a fantastic horse if it's not rude to call the Prime Minister a horse and I don't want to change that as he read Rome or sugar Oh Redrum much sorely Redrum I he's heroic in the way Redrum was heroic well Esther what breaks it very quickly what will bricks it look like what deals what what deal are you doing because no one's listening are you and me talking absolutely all that matters about braixen is that we take back control everything is democracy brexit is a means to an end it's not an end in itself the end is better government is able to have chief of food clothing and footwear control of value-added tax able to make decisions for ourselves able to have free ports that can trade with the rest of the world able to send tax rates unlike they're trying to get our land in thirteen billion pounds charged to Google it's that great freedom not for politicians but for the British voter when we have elections from now on if you live in a rural constituency like mine and you're a farmer and you have strong views on agricultural policy you vote for a party that will change it in no election since 1970 has that been true didn't matter how you voted if you were a farmer it was gonna be the Common Agricultural Policy or if you're a fisherman or if you worked as I used to do in the city of London all the rules got made by somebody else completely unaccountable nothing our government could do nothing your vote could do this is so exciting because surely as a nation we can make better decisions for ourselves through our democratic processes then somebody from Luxembourg can do much though I respect people in Luxembourg to name a country name to name one of the Continental countries that I think we created you couldn't name several others but that's superb but I do yes yes splendid place it will the deal be different than one that you voted for on mb3 would it be different enough because the ERG went like that and you were for your chairman until just early this month when you the Prime Minister has been very clear that it will be a different deal that the backstop has to go and he said in his letter that it was primarily the backstop but not exclusively the backstop and the political declaration has to be renegotiated I am very very confident that the Prime Minister will deliver a deal that is fundamentally different if you can deliver a deal before the third-fastest that is the question the European Court of Justice jurisdiction there's no no shadowy committee running the Britain and Yee relations these things are not in there the backstop meant that we would have remained run by the European Union until the European Union decided to stop running this or we could have split up the United Kingdom that will go would it be an angry backstop covering you all of Ireland well there's a question on the single-site Oh sanitary space which there is already every cow shipped from Scotland to Norland is checked on arrival in Northern Ireland anyway anyway now I I think it would be deliberately obtuse to object to things being agreed that already exist within the United Kingdom but that it would be wrong to do anything that splits the United Kingdom and therefore we have to listen very carefully to what the DUP say who are in a sense the guardians of that flame yes and do you worry about the what might happen we look forward to say there's no deal in October the October council the Parliament might try and revoke article 50 and stop breaks it all together because they're slightly drunk on power there aren't they given what they did just her this month well it's very interesting that the lead but leader of the Lib Dems has come out and said that her party's policy is to revoke our departure from the European Union full stop and not bother with a second referendum just do it and therefore override the biggest Democratic mandate in our history on what inevitably would be a lower Democratic mandate but that's fantastically helpful because it shows their true colours it shows us that all these people who say their pay is no deal actually mean their pays brexit all these people who say they wanted different arrangements and sons so forth I want to soft brexit no they didn't they wanted no brexit we now know that the Labour Party manifesto in 2017 was a dishonest document it wanted to do something that they didn't believe in and they have consistently opposed you see the hypocrisy of people saying that they insist we don't leave without a deal but they would never vote for trees amazed deal now I wouldn't vote for a deal because I thought was rubbish and it was better to leave without a deal but that's not their position their position is that anything is better than than leaving without a deal and actually it's not true it's about stopping breaks it altogether so Joe Swenson has refreshingly shown us what the truth of their position is and we should remember that and brexit ears will no come the next election but there is only one party that will be able to deliver brexit and that is the Conservatives one of Pro problems again off the Queen speech because I don't think that would be a constitutional approach I think the constitutional approach is to have a general election if you look at our periodic constitutional crises if you go back to the 1830s over reform if you go back to 1909 the Constitution is always cleared by having a referal election and that would be the right approach now and then you would get a new Parliament that would be able to deal with these issues that this current Parliament has simply failed to do but perhaps even more excitingly you could have a parliament to get on with some domestic issues too because one of the things I think many of us have noticed and many of us are fed up with is that there's been this period of inertia on every other subject and that's one of the reasons a new Korean speech is such a welcomed prospect but they've they can do it they're like Connie they're your majority of -43 at the moment the Conservatives don't have a majority but can they do anything they like that they can have a vote of no confidence in the government and that I'm glad to say would probably lead to an election which is what we need in which what we offered and they won't accept it now isn't that odd opposition parties don't want an election and then they accuse us of trying to undermine democracy what were the first party in history that has tried to undermine democracy by offering a general election yes in argued what might you do to get us past October 31st and take Britain out of the EU because it's quite hard to see how Boris Johnson the PM doesn't break the law to leave by that day given give him the requirement set out in the in the Ben legislation well first of all it's possible that there could be a deal that's obviously the best way okay and if there were to be a deal and we would leave on the 31st of October absent absent of a deal well absent of a deal we'll have to see precisely what the law means that's the wording you look for ways around that a second letter V tell you their own ways around you're looking at the detail of the law then the law is in some ways a blunt instrument it's not a nuanced instrument and therefore you will have to look at precisely what it says and what the clinic amendment means and what the effect of all of that is and and so on and those decisions will be made in due time because the clinic amendment revitalised nv3 didn't say something that had been voted down three times yeah says quite quite confusing what was palm and past at that point I think the parliamentary draftsman probably feel that it is not the most elegant piece of legislation ever to hit the statute but is it could you just boycott the Commons to say don't come back we're just gonna we're out you know couldn't the party be as bold as that about B that would a free pass to late never boycott things you always look ridiculous what do you think about the Lux Lux and border rpm's behavior talking a boycott e who the the Luxembourg PM oh look some bourgeois I called it oh I see yes he's got a bottle or something isn't he a battle of battle there's battle not bottle but I did matter of I think supreme unconcern I'm afraid that he did what he did and Prime Minister sensibly held his press conference where he could be heard yeah now before we go to the audience I asked him some questions on Twitter and they said there's very very quick fire round for you what's more Alexander Brown asked what's more important brexit by October 31st or Somerset winning the county championship oh wow that is the hardest question you've fired at me yes a pizza I think I'm I'm not going to answer that question no I let me also let me do the best politicians trick I would have happily sacrificed the World Cup victory for Somerset winning the county championship and the ashes because some said have never won the County Championship but I think if you're really going to push me and my apologies to my eldest son it's got to be break sit on the 31st of October about that before coming on do these things you think about all the really difficult questions that you can be honest that's the hardest and that is the hardest now that that that is the Chin Music as I understand fast bowlers now call it you are them now Sarah Irvine mrs. Michael Gove asked on Twitter is it is it ever acceptable to wear brown shoes in Somerset yes yes so how far from from a major conurbation can you get away with them it depends how you define town okay Matt Mars asked our spats suitable for dry cleaning there is a PG Wodehouse book called young men in spats I didn't think a gentleman any longer wear spats does that make me horribly modern but I think that spats and no longer proper formal attire will this Melanie Riley says will this level of national ill-tempered discourse ever improve yes it will I it will improve once we've left those of us who brexit ears and one or two in the audience maybe this evening this is the point at which our opponents throw everything at it because they know they've got six weeks left they know that they will never get this country to rejoin the European Union ever why would we without ass it's probably not solvent anyway it's a disastrous failed organization an economic model that doesn't work a structure that may have worked in the 50s and 60s but is out of date doesn't compete with the rest of the world we would never they join it again so those who love it the Euro files the ramona's whatever you want to call them are absolutely desperate to keep us in and they will throw everything at it for six weeks once we've left and having left is fact then it's finished that's the opportunity of the country the nation to come back together and that's I genuinely think what will happen Thunder cat Walla asks are there any circumstances in which you will stay in the cabinet if the UK is still a member they you on the 1st of November 2019 just got into the cabinet would you foodie flounce out I'm not a flounce sir IIIi I don't model myself on Lord hassle time I think my role is to be one of the staunchest supporters of the Prime Minister I took the decision to back him very early he has my complete and utter support and I will carry on supporting him until he comes to the decision which always happens the poultry that my service is no longer required I hope that's a little bit into the future who's your favorite superhero oh I think it's got to be Batman played by Bruce Wayne in the if that's the right name in the pow pow and Zam and all of that that was that was out in the Batmobile in all of that no not the films I could never really be bothered with them but I was probably too old but time they came out and just final one how you'd like to be remembered was one of the questions on Twitter how do I like to be remembered I'm not taking it fast about how I'm remembered except I hope I hope my children won't forget me too quickly and we'll pray for my soul I've got some awesome time for questions now just the final 40 minutes if you put your hands in the air I'll try and call you soon again little house lights light it wants to build a scene so just the front of that left there yes because I gentlemen athletes and say your name sir for the audience thank you my name is Pat Totten I'm living in Cambridge and I'm from Cork and I wish to congratulate you Jacob in having your family here tonight and I know your family and your wife's side of the family have a deep knowledge of Ireland and I do believe that Morris should be able to handle the situation in the border talks my I think the Northern Ireland is offer precious not only to the United Kingdom were all sort of Republic of Ireland because there's quite a lot of entrepreneur for what recorded material in Northern Ireland that I found astonishing and that it leads across industry after industry down so I wish you the very best luck thank you thank you very much [Applause] Yes No thank you for that and I think Northern Ireland is an essential part of our country so I think my country is the United Kingdom and every part of it is of enormous value Scotland or non and Wales and England and that therefore a government any government should always look at the interests of the whole of the United Kingdom not just the bit that shouts the loudest not just London essentially and so thank you for your question and the skills we have in all now and the benefit we get from all none and being part of our United Kingdom is I think enormous and it's not just economic it's also cultural and about the type of nation that we are the lady in a balcony there and I think it's a turquoise shirt Thank You Christie Harrison we've travelled down from Macclesfield in Cheshire and had the pleasure of listening to you were to leave means leave at meeting when you were indeed on the stage with Nigel for hours he said a little earlier though that that would only be one party to vote for the Tory party who indeed I voted for all my life don't mind admitting that in a public venue but people are very very disillusioned are they not with what's gone on over the last few years and I would not want you to be complacent about the anger that is felt and the there has to be a lot of trust regained so my question is will you be working with the brexit party to try to ensure that actually this brexit of the values that you both share do get taken forward do a deal III don't need a deal works for the following reason if we haven't left by the 31st of October the brakes a party won't want to do a deal with us and if we have left by the 31st of October what is the point of a deal because we will have delivered so I think a deal is one of those things that sounds interesting but it's very hard to see the circumstances when it would actually apply either we've done it and we've succeeded and we're all back together or we've failed and the brexit party is full steam ahead um should we cooperate with people who have similar views well we all want brexit party and most conservatives one big thing and that is to leave the European Union and we have to ensure that that is what we manage to do and that we don't cut off our noses to spite our face now in the European elections it really didn't matter because we were going to leave and nobody much takes an interest in the European Parliament I mean I now do because my sister's there so I get regular reports about what's going on but it it doesn't have that much effect particularly as a departing country on our daily lives your choice ladies and gentlemen would be do you vote with heart and emotion for the brexit party and let Jeremy Corbyn in or do you've a in spite of all that went wrong in the last three years before Boris Johnson became leader for a reinvigorated conservative party that will keep a Marxist out and to live a brexit that is the harsh reality that we will face and I have said earlier the respect I have for Nigel Farage and the important role I think he has played but we mustn't get carried away with ourselves if you vote for the breaks Tea Party in the next general election it's a very effectively for Jeremy Corbyn think very hard is that what you want or do you want a prime minister who is completely committed to delivering brexit and where the majority would be able to do great things for this country okay jet for the frontier my name is John Wilmot from Berkshire as a businessman I voted to leave with no deal I don't think the government's communication has been very good I cannot understand why the government does not counteract all the scare mongering by giving the general public reason to believe that post brexit we will all be ok the reason companies trade together is to make money after brexit that will be no different so if costs go up both sides are free to go elsewhere if they so wish and who knows the u.s. or China may have cheaper options the world will be our oyster so the question I've got is can in the six weeks we've still got left could not the government up the game on their communications public relations or whatever you want to call it I think that's a really important question and I think you have to bear in mind that something fundamental changed with the change of government I have to one extent gone completely native and that is in my admiration for the civil service as BRICS it wasn't happening a lot of us falsely blamed the civil service rather than ministers but actually the civil service carry out what ministers want and work extraordinarily hard to do it government policy is now to leave and to make a success of it the previous government's policy was to have a brexit in name only and that was dutifully advertised by the civil service who did a loyal job to the then government they are now supporting the new government and getting this message across more and more through government communications through preparations for the 31st of October the whole machine is moving in favor of that and it's really impressive and I think reassures us that Northcote rebellion still works and is still effective well these brexit 50 bitcoins be minted I like Britannia on the back of 50p coins I don't like all this other job other I was about to say junk but I shouldn't say that should I all these other I like proper coins that look like coins rather than these you need a need Royal Yacht Britannia do you think after breaks it this has never been a campaign that I have been a particular advocate of III think we should never do things that are peripheral to the fundamental argument I think we are so lucky to have a monarchy I think it makes all the difference to our country I think it is a bold statement about who we are as a people and it creates a stability and we are blessed to have the sovereign that we have and I think the Royal Yacht is a secondary issue that may not be beneficial to the monarchy or to the brexit argument so I would put it to one side okay I have to disagree Jacob with your response to the lady across the hall I think you will agree that any practical politician knows that to win the general election you need activists in the constituencies to get out the higher proportion of vote on the day a large number of the best Tory activists are now supporting the extremely well-organized brexit party irrespective of Dominic Cummings arrogantly being jealous of Nigel Farage the father a brexit it must be vital for the Tories to attract brexit party activists to work for them okay along with the brilliant Pericles canvassing app now the brexit ears need to be united and Boris needs to brace well first of all a word in defense of Dominic Cummings who is one of the most brilliant thinkers and campaigners that I've ever met and we would not have won the referendum with our Dominic Cummings inspirational leadership of the Veit leave campaign we had lots of other things going for us we had Boris Johnson we had Michael gave and we had Nigel Farage appealing to their respective audiences but the share organizational effort and campaigning effort of eight leave was to a large extent Dominic Cummings he is a very brilliant individual and we are lucky to have him in high office but the point you make sir is a valid one as I said to the lady but what did the brexit party want one thing and that is brexit we now have a Conservative leader who shares their attachment to the importance of that one issue and I absolutely know that conservative activists voted for the breaks it party in swathe in the May election 72% of conservative voters voted for the breaks a party why because they felt let down and we hadn't delivered brexit that's why we must deliver brexit uniting us is done by delivering not by backroom stitch ups so deliver brexit we all come back together we and yes the campaigning efforts of breaks or tears will be invaluable I want my sister to come back to the Conservative Party I signed her up to it when she was a five-year-old so sorry when she left she's 10 years younger on Salem okay I'd be very I I don't think there is any psychological evidence that you will get South Shields for example a seed that has never vetted Tory since 1832 to vote for the brexit party it appears to be that if you went all in for No Deal we see what neither flowers are saying with words clean brexit you then get rid of the top percent they'll go towards him and you have 45% of the polls and Anna Tory is 40 seat majority in the House of Commons that's the the argument that the rare and referring to I think that some of these seats are much easier to win in theory than they are in practice they have a very long history of aging for another party regardless of whether that party is represented their interest or not and they'll look for any betrayal weren't in the VEX the party and what you end up with and then they'll use that to pick away at your support in the polls I there isn't going to be another betrayal Boris really believes in that the Prime Minister it's very hard isn't it to stop calling him by his Christian name but it is most improper we've all got to get used to saying the Prime Minister the Prime Minister is a convinced you're a skeptic you have already the articles for decades you know that he has exuded euro scepticism long before it was fashionable bear in mind John major according to Andrew Mitchell tried to keep him off the candidates list because of what he was writing for the Telegraph in the 1990s he risked his political career at the very beginning by backing yura skepticism he is as committed a euro skeptic as I am or as bill cash is he will deliver for us the lady there in the fourth row vacuum thank you very much for this brilliant interview I want to say that I have moved faith and respect for Prime Minister and total trusts that breaks it will be delivered and that we will leave on the 31st of October and thank you also for all your efforts towards that so my question is to do with you know post conference and post brexit and the nature of the Conservative Party I've been more excited now then I have been for 20 years you could probably say that the last time I was this excited about being a member of the Conservative Party is you know Margaret what's your question so the question is during lady touches Premiership we won four out of five general elections in the last 20 years we won one out of five one of the biggest reasons in my opinion is that we had better connection between the associations and central office is your opinion as - that if that connection was properly restored and associations did have more power we wouldn't have MPs like Sam Mia who get elected and their Association never sees them again for example locally might be is being changed by never you know would you be for that would you be for restoring the power of associations and and the better communication between the associations and the central office thank you I completely and utterly agree the Conservative Party is built from the grassroots up my involvement in the Conservative Party was as a ward committee member as a treasurer as a vice chairman as a chairman I think all the good sense in the Conservative Party is in our associations and it builds up and passes through to central office not the other way around and that association should be free to choose their own candidates they should be free to have local candidates on non local candidates as they see fit they should have a party conference which we're going to have this year this year's Party conference thanks to James it's going to be focused on men that's fantastic it's not gonna be focused on lobbyists and all the stuff that it had with an empty conference hall you making speech I am yes I'm doing choppers podcast as well but I know I should be making a speech I think on Sunday afternoon on in in the conference hall but it's going to be revolving around the members and that's absolutely where we should be in your point America Thatcher is so powerful the Tory party wins elections when it believes in things and communicates its belief when it thinks it has to dress up in the opposition's clothes and pretend to be something that it isn't the electorate see through that and we don't do very well do you think that the Chairman should be elected by members no I said you think the chairmanship yet by members and he said no no I think the party Chairman should be the right hand of the leader of the party I think back to the days of Cecil Parkinson and Norman Tebbit and Lord thornycroft and Kenneth Baker and the party chairmen is there to be what the campaigner for the leader and you don't want to set up a second power base which is very divisive look at the Labour Party just for a moment if you can bear to with with Jeremy Corbyn and Tom Watson and all that does is have different camps fighting each other so I think an elected Party Chairman is a as a mistake it's a gentle at the front here yes yes you say you have microphone hand yes thank you for coming tonight mic flew thorough Billericay conservatives I had the privilege with my friends of coming to see you at the Palladium fantastic performance at that time you actually said that you would not go for Mays deal with the backstop subsequent to that we heard reports that you'd said you consider it if the DUP went against it that didn't happen you're the one politician we all trust do you not feel guilty now that you voted it on the first time yes I regret the fact that I voted for it on the third time not because I think it was wrong but because there was one piece of information that I didn't have and that was I believed Mrs May when she said we would leave on the 29th of March and said it over a hundred times I was naive to have believed that that was the case and when I came to the conclusion that it was either that deal or not leaving as I said earlier I thought that that was the least bad option but was it an option I'm proud of no not for a moment I did not want to be in that position and it was a very difficult choice to have to make and it was I suppose I spoke to my sister about this in Nancy Otto now representing the bracelet party and she was egging me on not to vote for it but we did come to the conclusion between us that that was rather easier to say outside Parliament run inside Parliament because if you thought you were casting evade that might lose us breaks it altogether did you really want to do that however much you found swallowing the deal a dinner of bile and that was the position I was in goodness right right at the back there's a chap in a white shirt on the balcony yep yes this is Ben Walker Jacob for many people in this room and I suspect Steve Baker may be their second favorite conservative politician when do you think we'll see him in a senior ministerial position well I assume your first favorite conservative politician is the prime minister so I'm now beginning to feel a bit left out but as Steve and I have worked incredibly closely together or through the ERG he is a brilliant conservative a true conservative a passionate conservative but it is not in my gift to reshuffle the prime minister's carefully constructed ministry so I'm afraid we'll have to get Boris back and the Prime Minister side is again you very at the prime minister back on one on one of your events and ask him lady at the frontier a good evening and thank God for Jacob Riis morgen Parliament because we you've been such an inspiration I'd like to hear from brexit politicians when being interviewed by Lauren Coons Berg and others more about the what would happen if we actually remained in the EU I mean it looks so horrific it's going to be such further integration they will never let us out and it would be a worse situation than if we'd never had the referendum in my opinion so we never hear this from the remainders either they never give us predictions of this great future in Europe and this is an opportunity to be missed I feel so what is your opinion about that and can we emphasize that in the future well I think we should arrange an interview with you and Nora kun spoke straight away say these points can be made because it's obviously true that the European Union is pushing forward to further integration that is what a number of the leading continental politicians want and a pushing for and so we must be realistic about those changes it's fascinating talking to some people who backed remain believed we should remain in the European Union before the referendum who now say well the EU has changed since we voted to leave that there for remaining in it would be remaining in a much more federally orientated organization and so yes you're absolutely right we need to remind people of those dangers mad at the back there because I'm microphone thank you hi Jacob I've got a question about the Constitution what's your name sir my name is Andrew I'm originally from Canada but I'm also British and we do have a similar Constitution if you view Constitutional History as the attempt to achieve a balance between the crown the lords the Commons government and common law do you think we have that balance correct at the moment or does the Commons have more power than it should I'm going to duck that question I'm afraid because of the current court case that it is too close to what is going on within the courts and I'm afraid that's a sign that the in question is very important rather than otherwise I'm sorry I've just just to give a boycot Ian forward defenses Supreme Supreme Court is off limits very very back back row here on this ground floor there's someone I've want to state that Tony Blair never one of 770 majority by a popular vote a referendum agent wrote to your paper saying that if they had not stood he would have only got a 30 or 40 seat majority so something has to be done about that but the question I ask is why do people talk so much about the European Union's benefit when this corpus juris lying in the long grass I've taxed Geoffrey Cox my MP about this several times and if we somehow or the other with an e with a Labour Prime Minister abandoned our legal opt-outs corpus juris which was passed by majority vote when Tony Blair abandoned our veto that reads there shall be no trial by simple jury nor lay magistrates remain errs think so highly of the EU when that is hiding in the long grass why I feel remain as Jacob that's a difficult question for me to answer I can't go through the eccentric thought places of people who come such conclusions but the thing to bear in mind about the advocates of being in and remaining in the European Union is that they have always known that it led to political union and they have always known that people wouldn't vote for it some of you may remember that the Charter of Fundamental Rights was said to be of no more importance than the Beno he turned out that it had effect in the UK in the same way as every other member state in relation to European Union law which has been a growing share of our domestic laws there was a fundamental importance we were told we had an opt-out it wasn't an opt-out at all it was a piece of window dressing and so knowing they can't win elections they've been bringing in Europe by stealth that's why they're so shocked by our referendum result because actually we said no we won't have this we're leaving and that has shattered the confidence of some of the pro European elites and jolly good thing - it was shattered we will be pull out of the ECHR as well which is manifesto policy at the last lecture the ECHR is different and I don't think there's any point in fighting on two fronts let's get out of the European Union and then think about the further settlement after that yeah top left that there's a Roger Kendrick no Jeff from beckons field not represented I might say very Dominic grieve have we have have we reached a point in this country where the establishment is so powerful that if the country votes for something that the establishment doesn't agree with we can't expect it to be implemented and I'm sure you'll say that actually the 31st of October will prove me wrong but if it doesn't what can we possibly do about it if we're going to remain a democracy but I think say your round of applause is thoroughly well deserved that it is a matter of great concern and should be of concern to all of us I thought the rate would be accepted and would be implemented didn't occur to me in late June 2016 that we would still be discussing this now I thought we were such a democratic country that the result of eighths was just taken when we lose votes as conservatives we say well we'll fight the next election but we accept the result and that didn't happen and the remain side started campaigning in earnest as much after they voted taken places before and the establishment which is a bit odd for me to criticize because I am in so many ways quite an establishment figure but I think that gives me a good understanding of why it's a rotten the the the the establishment turned out to be much more hostile to brexit and much more cavalier about our democratic processes look at the House of Lords House of Lords has done everything it can to frustrate brexit dare I mention the British Broadcasting Corporation which and seems to be C it seems to be the quite I've actually it's the propaganda arm of the European Union it is quite extraordinary how this [Music] I just ultimately have confidence that you can trust the people and they will say again that they want to leave we will have a general election that will make it clear that we are leaving and therefore it will all come to pass but you are right the establishment is more powerful than I expected and more hostile to democracy the question hit the bayfront it's great to see the prime minister peddling optimism and this government doing everything it can to deliver I think that is a great optimistic scenario post-break said what is your optimistic view that Britain should do as the four three things to compete and beat the European Union three things the three things this was much easier when I was a backbencher because I wasn't bound by collective responsibility and I'm not really allowed to make government policy on the hoof so let us talk in broad theoretical terms about where some of the opportunities may be you mentioned one of them so and that is the competitiveness of the City of London the City of London has been weighed down burdened by excess European regulation by mithya day.i FMD and so on which have existed to make us less competitive we need to look at the competitiveness of the City of London we need to look at the duties and the non-tariff barriers we impose on goods coming in from outside the European Union which raised the price of those goods primarily to protect inefficient continental European businesses not to do anything for British businesses they want to open up our markets make off markets freer as a second thing and the third thing we need to do and this is totemic rather than being something that will transform the British economy is we need to restore our fishing waters we owe a great debt to the fishing community but they were deemed a price worth paying to join the European Union and I think we should pay them the price back okay let's look at that in the balcony mister my name is Celia miss panty is a correspondent I've been covering British politics for the last ten years and I think that you are extremely interesting figure I followed you in Twitter Instagram I hear they make smoke podcast congratulate you to you as well so I kind of political groupie I could be delighted if one day you could accept my invitation for an interview promise no taking you to not know any kind of practices or anything questions first of all regarding to the law the key point is not if mr. Boris Johnson is able to get a deal with ruses is if Parliament approved that event well deal and it's pretty clear that in case that Parliament doesn't approve the deal the government because the law in a new precedent it way even explain the specific worst of the letters that you have to send to bruisers so in case that there is no deal by the 11th no 20 October I finish you don't have any other option and my second quick questions what do you think about Cameron's memories among older he says that John Stone doesn't believe in breasts thank you very much thank thank you very much and you'll be glad to know that my press advisers are here in the audience today say your request for an interview will have fallen on ears that are listening so thank you for that and doing it so publicly and then starting the interview with some very good questions come on Jake okay I'm getting there patience I'd like some old engine I need to get up steam a bit before I can answer the first point you quite rightly said the law is unprecedented and therefore it's untested as to hide works and untested as precisely to what it means and what effect it would have and what the conditionality is and what would happen to the deal if it were brought back to Parliament so I think we've got to see how that works out between the 19th and the 31st of October which is only 12 days in terms of the Prime Minister never believed in brexit I just don't think that's right I think that's a cynical misunderstanding of the Prime Minister's motives so many Telegraph readers as I said earlier will have read his commentaries over decades which showed how you're a skeptic he always was that he really he saw firsthand the rottenness of the European Union because he worked in Brussels and therefore he knew what was wrong and you how it was taking power from the United Kingdom and the former Prime Minister is actually somebody I've always admired greatly I think he was a formatively able Prime Minister a very successful prime minister but there was one area of public policy where I had a fundamental disagreement with him and I'm sorry about that because I think he was a good leader but inevitably in his book he is putting his case as best he can the core spectators thank him for give him the chance to lead the European Union I'm deeply grateful to him I think he will go down in history as a fantastic Prime Minister because he freed the United Kingdom from the shackles of brexit European Union come on here hello Jacob my name's Andrew I'm from Kingston just down the road firstly to thank you so much for being who you are in public life I've got my 17 year old son here and it's great to have an example like you for people like him to come look up to you so thank you a couple of questions an easy one I'm HAP some more difficult one the easy one is are you going to start doing your mod cast again now that you're in government and secondly you talk just now about the establishment and you perhaps they might have some kind of inside track on that why do the establishment favor staying in the European Union what is in it for these people I don't understand okay the first question the good news is yes the mod cast will be back I'm actually doing one live at the Tory Party conference and we only missed the last one because there was a confusion which I thought I was doing it and they thought I wasn't doing it was the confusion say that's going to be back the establishment but you know I disagree with the person who called out money I don't think it's money I think it's power and I think they think that they know better than us and that they've had a quite comfortable time of telling us what to do and it's absolutely fascinating you see governments routinely got things agreed at the European level that they knew they couldn't get a democratic mandate for at home so all these regulations that came through to do difficult things that were just slightly annoying not fundamental but whether they were lightbulbs or vacuum cleaners or any of those things they just made life a little bit harder they knew that if they stood on election platforms and said I'm going to stop you buying usable light bulbs we've all said no what we're not voting for you then so there's a tar we're so sorry not a fossil insisted upon it then turns out they voted for it in the Council of Ministers and and I'm even not voting for it because or even allege it go through without having a formal vote and I think that was the problem with the EU is really really easy for politicians to rule without referring back to voters and I'm much prefer referring back to voters because actually if this country were ruled by telegraph readers wow what a powerhouse we would be okay you son of ultimi thank you my name's Paul Daniels I was a food importer prior to the EEC prior to our joining the ICI we imported fruit fish meat and vegetables from 36 countries around the world and I can tell you categorically that it was far better then we have a much bigger choice and much better prices and I'm still a businessman and I'm very much looking forward to the opportunities okay the question is do you agree with me do you agree that business will overcome the problems necessity is the mother of invention and there's no greater country in the world than the United Kingdom in inventing products and trade absolutely I know it's nice and polite to be modest but let's for once be immodest and recognize the United Kingdom is the greatest country in the world without look I like and admire the United States hugely but all the best things about it they borrowed from us that I'm actually says that Constitution is modeled on our Constitution their Bill of Rights is taken from our Bill of Rights you know the article on bearing arms is a direct lift from our 1688 89 Bill of Rights as says that we must have the right to bear arms for the maintenance of a protestant militia and they've taken out the word Protestant which relieves me because I say we are the most amazing country with incredible global reach and influence in a wonderful country to live in one earth would anyone want to live anywhere else thank heavens and on your question of our trading ability now I got a bossy note from fact-checkers of the BBC because I had said that at Southampton goods were cleared within 10 seconds and they got in touch with me and said how do you know this where have you got this figure from and I looked it up and I'm sorry to tell you ladies and gentlemen I had made a mistake it wasn't ten seconds it was six seconds and my source was the head of HMRC giving evidence to parliamentary Select Committee so I send this back to the BBC fact checkers do you know I never heard from them again very keen young man at the frontier it's a very brief questions so I'm a bit like you which is a bit I'm not very normal people about my age I'm only 23 and I'm a conservative of a breakfast area I'm also Catholic as well and I creasing ly find the people of my age it's very hard to express our views on a daily basis and I often find people are Sevilla fide or cookware labeled things that we're really not and my any questions he is top see you with that age as well and you probably thought what I did what would your advice to be someone like me instead of obviously yeah time the moment you know what would your advice be some like me Oh my advice is stick to your views argue if your views and your suddenly discoveries you get 40 that everybody's to come around to your way of thinking I know you've got a bit of time but the other thing and III think it is harder for you than it was for me I think the left really hates freedom of speech and I think this is one of the great worries [Applause] how many journalists did cursed Armour prosecute we're phone hacking yeah and how many were found guilty zero find guilty yeah and this was an attack on the press when a of DPP and he was director upon directors officials he led effectively a witch-hunt against journalists and they had dawn raids and all that went with it zero in the end found guilty I think there was one conviction that was overturned on appeal if I remember rightly the left doesn't like freedom of speech why because it catches out their failures and the fact that socialism doesn't work wherever it's tried in the world those of us who are broadly on the right the greatest Liberty that we must protect his freedom of speech because without that democracy won't work because we won't know what the evidence is on which to base our vote we will lose the rule of law because we will be corrupted and we will lose property rights because we will have a socialist government that steals our property freedom of speech is fundamental so I really encourage you to make the effort to express your views and all of us to do the same because that is what our liberties depend on and thank heavens for the Telegraph and other papers that are hold freedom of speech so vigorously thank you one last question halfway back on the left is of someone Hania yeah hello I'm Tom live in London at the moment previously from the northwest my question I'm slightly worried I'm in a minority here my question is that the Prime Minister is twice chosen the option of death over the other option once do or die second in a dish is brexit really worth anybody's risk of death yes no of course not but one of the Prime Minister's great qualities is that when he says something you always understand what he has said he always says it clearly pithily and uses language that other politicians shy away from in their wrappings of euphemism and evasion and prestidigitation and I'm I'm glad to say that the Prime Minister doesn't need any of that but sometimes it's clearer than you may wish I feel either trying to spell it ladies and gentlemen it's 9 o'clock that's what that's your lot thanks for listening and becoming this week's shopping podcast as in Douglas Smith and Bill cash please tune in but please thank checking me smog [Applause]

Channel: The Telegraph

Views: 357,653

Rating: 4.6051502 out of 5

Keywords: Telegraph, News, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Christopher Hope, Brexit, Debate, Live, 31 October, tories, politics, no-deal, second referendum, supreme court, EU, boris johnson

Id: kjsH4B8OVzw

Length: 90min 37sec (5437 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 18 2019