Vinyl Corner Bead vs Steel and Paper Bead!!!

you guys welcome back to Vancouver Carpenter the drywalleriest Carpenter on the internet so vinyl corner bead um I'm not actually a huge fan of vinyl corner bead I've actually almost never installed it but just like almost every other DIY channel I watched a few videos on how to do this and I'm ready to tell you how to do it now um no but seriously I'm going to try and use my years of experience to show you what I think can and can't go wrong with this product okay first off we're just going to be using regular tin snips to cut this just like a regular corner bead and you can just kind of bend that off so what I don't like about a vinyl corner bead I don't know if you can see just how slick and shiny that is now how is mud supposed to really stick to that properly that's the first problem I have with this stuff like I'm not a huge fan I know people use it all the time and if it was actually a bad product it wouldn't be out there even though you know the shelves are actually full of bad products when it comes to a lot of different things but um many people have used this probably for almost their entire careers but I have noticed that in general mud tends to blow off of this stuff in bigger chunks as soon as the nose of the bead gets hit anyways um we are not talking about mud set bead either trimtex does make a vinyl mud set bead that I think is actually a really good bead but this is just your standard vinyl corner bead and we're going to be installing it with spray adhesive it's also recommended to use staples which I also think is totally laughable like when you use staples into drywall drywall has no holding power so I don't see why Staples is actually going to improve it when a contact cement bond which is what this glue is I do think that this type of glue the trimtex one has some real benefits in the way that it sprays over a regular you know 3M super 77 or whatever it is they're called those are good but I think this one is a little bit better for this intended purpose and you can also use this stuff just for any of your regular contact cement like spray adhesive needs so yeah it is good that way anyways let's get on to spraying this stuff so again giving credit where credit's due one of the things that I saw was you don't need to spray it on super thick and this came from drywall Nation Brian at drywall Nation because definitely in the past when I've done Arch beads and stuff and had to use vinyl bead I've sprayed too much on here so give the can a little Shake first it comes out really fast so I don't really have the speed I would say that's pretty good maybe a little bit thick I wonder if I could have done both sides at the same time too late to know now it's way too thick at the top I'm probably too far away oh this is going really well this is definitely a DIY in your garage video foreign if you do it too thick the stuff takes too long to dry and it slides around so it's not tacky so when you get drips like this that's going to take too long to dry the rest of this is actually getting tacking up but yeah that's too wet most of it looks okay though not quite good there so what I think is weird and kind of tricky about this stuff is that it can't be fully set up or as soon as it makes contact it's going to stick I'm just going to the bottom down here let's see how this works you want to make sure that you're trying to get it on Square okay this actually isn't going too bad okay so that actually went on pretty well and we can see that it's actually like up against the board everywhere that's pretty solid I'm happy with how that went on to be honest it was pretty easy so at this point there is definitely zero adjustment ability and that's one of the things that I think is kind of weird about this stuff and like if you ever work the contact cement you know that as soon as contact cement makes contact it's 100 Bond and I think the idea with this stuff is that you're actually supposed to get it on right before it's a hundred percent Bond but not when it's able to slide around easily so really short open time I don't know how well it went on actually that's pretty straight that's not bad a little bow right there I mean that could just be the wall but it went on straight fairly easily I have definitely Twisted steel Corner beads easier than that by nailing on so yeah yeah not too bad no I really want to see how it coats out so I'm gonna go get some mud but actually before that everyone's going to be going Ben you have to staple it Ben you have to staple it and um yeah technically according to manufacturer's instructions for sure you have to staple it but again I think the Staples have literally zero holding power in this unless you use trimtex's Divergent Staples so that's a special type of staple where instead of both going in straight I think they go in angled right so one goes up one goes that way and that gives it some actual holding power but that means again you have to have some special Staples that I don't even know if they actually make those in the four videos I watched to train for this video I didn't see anyone mention Divergent Staples so I'm not sure if that's even a thing anymore um but that's part of the reason I'm not doing it is because without actually using Divergent Staples you're not really getting the proper holding power from the staple because that one actually because they go in um up in opposing directions it actually provides a little bit of mechanical resistance to being pulled out so I wanted to get that one out of the way and because this is a silly wall in my garage and not a job that I actually have to worry about you know like insuring after well who needs Staples let's see how it coats out it's all nice and stuck even without the Staples so I really feel like when you're coating these it's so annoying because this is a false wall that's just moving but I really feel like if you're not actually filling up these sides so all these little slots come over on this side a bit I feel like if you just go like this if you just you know like just coat downwards you're not filling up these holes enough and part of the bond from these is also the mud actually going in here and it kind of actually has to get in behind all the flange too because if it's not 100 bonded somewhere you want the mud to go in there so that you don't have a hollow spot otherwise it's not going to be as strong my cat is in here check him out don't run away okay anyways so I really feel like the first coat I mean I shouldn't be using a six inch knife honestly I should be using a bigger knife but I did this on the bevel and you'll see when I wipe that that's why the mud kind of stops right there because I did it on the bevel I feel like I'm getting scatterbrained here you guys but I mean it's coding out nice cool thing is you know you don't have to necessarily wait for it to dry the way you do with the tape on corner bead but you don't actually have to wait for tape on Corner beads to dry to be totally honest like I've installed those in a brush on the same day tons of times and as long as you have enough drying time after it's not a problem at all and speaking of drying time I have heard from many sources that to get a really nice finish on a vinyl corner bead actually takes three coats two coats of regular air drying mud you are still going to get a pretty Hollow bead and as it dries you're still going to be seeing the flange so that's something to be aware of when it comes to a vinyl bead is it takes a lot of build out especially if using runny mud like this you might not get the build out necessary after only two coats before we actually close this video out we should code it the one or possibly two more times with air drying mud to see how long it really takes this mud is too runny I'm making such a mess that's okay it's just a DIY drywall video in your garage okay let's let this dry and come back to it okay this has had a chance to dry um it feels like ages for me it's been a couple seconds for you but if you can tell by like the haircut and how long my facial hair is I don't think I've shaved since the last take of this video but anyways I have some thoughts on this vinyl bead that I'd love to share so I would say that it's pretty resistant to cracking I added this steel corner bead just for some future video purposes and all that nailing and hammering didn't crack the flange at all so it's definitely well glued on there it for sure looks like it's going to need another couple of coats to really disappear but it's looking good I'm still really feeling like it doesn't need staples look at this thing moving garage YouTuber wall it makes it a lot harder when the wall moves foreign T now it was also that it's pretty easy to make a mess with the spray adhesive you can see it on the wall here and that's not going to paint up well now I will admit that that's because I'm inexperienced with spraying the stuff on the wall but if you're new to vinyl bead you're going to be inexperienced at spraying that stuff on the wall too so it's one more thing that you're gonna have to look out for not the end of the world but still okay now that we have this second bead on here it should help it cover a little better foreign well I think that generally it would be passable with two coats we'll see what it looks like when it shrinks I think you get away with it but somebody who knows what to look for could see that the bead's empty empty might be the wrong word but slightly Hollow is what we call it we call it a hollow bead when it's not full enough okay this has had a chance to dry Let's uh get this light shining right across and turn off the overhead lights so we can really take a look at it okay let's see if I can actually show you the problem so the fact that we can see all those holes still is not a good thing because after we sand some of those holes might still be present because I don't want to sand it so much again that we make it Hollow so the other problem is this nosing it sticks out quite a lot and if we sand it we might actually see this nosing After paint I'm going to sand this exactly as I would for a finished coat that was actually more than I would usually sand it on a finished coat now let's take a look at it so we can just faintly see those holes and yeah it took a lot of build up like couldn't quite get the mud flat and smooth yet although it did need to be mixed and I did have it a little bit thin but still on second coat it should have been a bit better than that definitely that nosing is a bit more exposed than it should be and as we go down let's see if we can find any of those perforations most of those sanded out but overall yeah we can just see that it needs a third coat in my honest opinion there's some of those perforations still showing through that's where I hit it with the broom just like an apprentice okay so what are my final thoughts Final on vinyl well I think that I would probably choose steel bead over vinyl because I would rather nail on beads than use that glue but I do think I do think that the vinyl bead is stronger now the other thing talking about steel beads over vinyl beads is I don't remember what I was gonna say oh yeah it was the third coat so I've almost never had to do three coats on steel bead only if it gets installed too proud but the vinyl beads just naturally sit more proud than a steel bead and we haven't even started talking about paper beads obviously if you guys have watched the channel you know that paper faced beads like the tape on paper face bead is by far my favorite corner bead you can get them on the most snug they're the easiest to adjust they usually go on the most straight um and I don't think you get that many callbacks from them yeah they fail sometimes too every drywall product fails sometimes it's crumbly mushed with paper over top of it like what do you expect you know anyways um yeah vinyl beads I don't think I'm gonna start installing them personally not a fan the nosing is also a little more round than uh is to my taste I like the slightly sharper one of a paper faced or of a steel bead but yeah that's my thoughts on vinyl you guys um I I'm going to finish coding my pretend wall you don't need to watch me coat the whole thing but um maybe we'll take a quick look at it when I'm done okay now it's looking nice and flat and I don't think the nosing of that bead is going to shine through anymore after paint it'll sand nice and easy so in my opinion I really do think it actually takes three coats to make it good I think if I had two almost unworkably thick coats of mud on there we could have done it could have gotten an acceptable finish in two coats with really thick mud but for how I had it definitely three coats now looks like how my beads usually look after their second coat well you guys that's my experience my one and only experience with vinyl bead years ago on the drywall talk Forum I read you know a handful of guys saying yeah I don't like vinyl bead it takes three coats so I did come into this thinking that might be the case again had I had thicker mud it might not have been the case but it would have been unworkably thick and I also did not enjoy having to use the glue I didn't feel like there was any opportunity to adjust it you know with steel beads you can tweak them and put them different places and nail them in place wherever you want it it's kind of annoying with paper beads if you use Quick Set and you have a decent enough amount of mud underneath the corner bead you can do anything with them like you can you can make them dead straight you can make them curve you can Plumb slightly out of Plum wall with them like there's all kinds of stuff you can do but I don't see how you could do that with a vinyl bead the vinyl bead more or less follows the framing and I think if you tried to pull it out or tweak it in any way it wouldn't be strong at all as for the Staples again I don't think it was necessary I'm sure it's just fine but obviously manufacturer's instructions say use staples as did probably about like 50 comments but whatever anyways yeah I'm not going to be switching I'm going to stick to paper I'll use steel in a pinch and I would only use vinyl if it was the only thing on site and somebody else supplied it for me no offense stream techs you made a great sander and you have a lot of really good other products like I think all the radius ones and all the detail vinyl beads that trimtex makes are awesome but as for just your standard 90 degree corner bead not for me I have no need for it anyways thanks for watching you guys I hope you're doing well and as always I hope your projects are going well but I hope you're doing even better until the next one

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Length: 19min 2sec (1142 seconds)

Published: Wed Nov 16 2022