Victoria Pedretti | Podcrushed full episode

everybody comfortable Victoria thank you not just for being here today but for doing this twice so a little bit of background context uh a background context that's redundant as is having Victoria here because we the first interview we ever did was uh was with Victoria it was over Zoom and there were I'm gonna call both of us out you I think you I think you either didn't press record I also didn't um route the mic correctly because this is like the first interview we had sent you a mic and that was confusing we did not give you good directions so it was like a technical snafu and we had a whole episode that we loved that we wanted to be the first episode and we couldn't use it yeah so we're heartbroken and since then we've had all these people commenting like when are you gonna get Victoria this person from you but not Victoria like we know it doesn't make sense doesn't make sense either and so then I was like after once we realized that we couldn't use it like and we really tried yeah and we and we were trying not to be like super precious about the about their audio quality we were just like all right can we use this because it would be crazy there was at one point we were going to have me when we thought your audio was usable I was going to re-record all of my audio as though it was spontaneous which what a great accent exactly honestly I was like yeah I guess I can do it I'm sure I can do it but anyway uh so I finally texted Victoria being like a tail between his legs very long Blue Block I was like I'm really sorry but anyway so Victoria has graciously agreed to come on again again and so what I did um was I didn't listen to any of the old stuff I was like I'm gonna let myself forget about as much of that as possible and we're gonna do take two it's not just going to be the same old same old it's going to be no that was our first interview so we were frankly awful really underperformed yeah [Laughter] she actually purposefully did not record she was like she recorded but she was like I'm not sending you this audio actually and we did we were we were getting really granular with like because we were like this is whose poster was on your wall yeah I really don't I I it sounds like me like I believe that I did not press record but I don't I don't remember the conversation at all okay I mean it was at this point like what a year and a half ago so it wasn't a long time ago wow two maybe two yeah yeah so how are you doing now [Laughter] it's nice we haven't been able to do that many in-person interviews and Victoria is here shooting a film a film called Ponyboy Ponyboy you're in New York and actually Jersey actually oh wow yeah and you're doing a New Jersey accent which we won't we are seeing we see the nails so that's something that uh yeah you can tune in for bonus content for him I feel like such a shill yeah go to our um go to our YouTube channel for Victoria for Daddy's yeah I was like wait are we gonna acknowledge that Victoria pedretti's beautiful nails okay so and then also just knowing what it's like at the end of a shoot I just want to honor I don't know what you've had to do but it's it's uh hopefully this will be this will be gentle and you don't have to feel the need to perform this is hopefully what we always do is we we go through a a session and I think we've gotten feedback that it's like it can feel somewhat therapeutic reflecting on this time so so maybe just let's start off um as as Nava likes to say paint us a picture think of what has brought you to to the parts of your career now that you love how did that start then who were you what were the things you were going through hmm to the past we did tell her she could pass on any questions [Applause] you can talk about um this is serious we have a series of questions about you if you want to start there because we can reorder it in the edit if that's like a warmer start yeah you let us know do you want to start talking about those first I don't it's not like I think about that time all the time so I feel like it does take I'm also like as you said I'm I'm in a state so like I'm like it takes me a while to process things people are asking me things on set yesterday and it was taking me like a good 30 seconds to be like processing the question right that's fine yeah yeah so this is so we can either use this or not I remember you were reading and again if this is too personal totally cut it but this will at least provide some context for something else we'll talk about season three I think you were reading a book that has now become very popular by uh Gabor mate who we are actually gonna have on the show no [ __ ] way yeah no no no no it's honestly I'm reading his book now uh the myth of normal yeah me too but but so so Gabor mate in these last couple of years she even has the book jacket for That interview if you want yeah you'll be our special guest I'm a fan girl I love that and and I think this is becoming increasingly common I mean he's a he's a really by the way I think he believes in what he's trying to share so much that he'll go on any podcast okay he's a great speaker he is and uh uh but you were reading a book that again has now I think like caught fire I hadn't heard of it and his name sounded Vaguely Familiar to me then but anyway it's called scattered and I know there's so many people who like have felt seen and identified by this book I've heard him talk about add or ADHD like sort of more marginally when he's talking about something else yeah so he references and I just remember you feeling really encouraged by by that can you maybe because only because what you were just saying was like it's it's a really to show up for an interview and to do what we do uh as actors is actually it's just it takes so much focus and it's a discipline it's a craft but it's also a discipline it's a practice no matter how much raw talent you have and I think you know as actors what we often do is we we kind of have to plumb our personal lives for better or worse and sometimes actually I think it can have great benefits sometimes I think you can have like it can it can be too much it's just like whoa so I'm just curious like is there anything from when you were reading that that you can that you can share like like what hang on I think you can get there yeah I believe in you my read on what he says about this is that to to Simply call it it a disease or a diagnosis or something is very it kind of gives us nothing it's like you describe the symptoms and you say well why does a patient have that oh because they have ADD or ADHD and you say well what are what is it add or ADHD and then you just describe the symptoms and it's like it's it's not it's not getting anywhere it's not helping us understand like and what I what he does a lot is he talks about how we're just talking about something like that or or addiction all these things that typically I don't know people like feel like there's some kind of negative classification or categorization he's he's what he's doing is he's talking about people having Humane responses to an inhumane culture in a lot of ways right and so the reason we started this show is because when you are this age going through Middle School part of what's Happening we we can talk about in a way that's comic you know which is like the turmoil and the bipolarity of you know some hormones just the roller coaster but the reality is that what you're having is a person who's coming into maturity and Consciousness for the first time being inducted into what in large partisan and Humane culture and so when I think of myself at that age I largely feel like the same person I feel like the same person looking at the same world and just getting a little bit better at like navigating it sure um there's got to be a question here somewhere uh dude can you tell us a little bit about 12 year old 13 year old Middle School Victoria I mean through the lens of discussing something like being diagnosed with ADD like like that part of my um life definitely made me feel like it was a defining factor in who I am as a person um when you say like it's a diagnosis there's a bunch of symptoms and that becomes like this Vicious Cycle in which you're not really getting to understand an individual person right so people are dealing with you in that way and I think that can be quite dehumanizing and it can feel very limiting um because as you like read and Scattered and as you read in like the myth of normal like people have these lifelong histories that contribute to how they're developing as a person um and I think being able to it's so funny I'm talking about this and I'm like oh Bill Nye on there and I'm like girl so many people's autographs and messages and I too during interviews I am I sometimes I zone out and I'm like oh Leonard Moulton like I noticed Denzel Washington it's distracting there's something in Korean here that I can't read um um but yeah I think I think I I mean I know I'm not alone in that like many many kids are dealing with even if it's not like you're the addk like you're a problem child like even that like definition like you're you're disruptive you know these kinds of things without thinking about the fact that they're coming from somewhere as children we don't have control over our circumstances I mean we have different levels of control of our circumstances even as adults but as children we really don't have that freedom and so so much of what's creating who we are is a product of the culture that we're living in the larger culture we're living in our home lives our educational system um and so yeah I think taking that into account and being able to like think about that more and process that more as we become adults and understand how we became the people that we are kind of a can be kind of fun and interesting and empowering when were you diagnosed with ADD or ADHD I think I was like seven oh wow yeah that's young I was really young and I think it was because I was so disruptive that they were like shutter figure something out yeah yeah that is the word disruptive when you said that I was like because when I was a teacher that was a word that was thrown around so much because it's like Kinder than other words like trouble like you know they're causing trouble or they're disruptive felt nicer but it is really an intense descriptor for a young very young child this is like disrupting what yeah right yeah a lesson I guess you're inquisitive I was asking questions like when I think back about it I was really trying to engage in learning but what they want in a public schools I mean like like this is how I feel about it like they're trying to make tiny little capitalists who will go off let's talk about capitalism yeah that's what all comes back to a lot of the time it's true yeah um like who will do do what they're told and and and serve the system and not serve themselves yeah disregard yourself completely actually like disregard your ideas or your thoughts or your feelings that don't exist within the realm of normal like so I get like I mean I don't know what it is to be a teacher and to have the pressures of like trying to get through a curriculum and um um create a safe space for all of the students to learn collectively because I was very engaged in in doing that but some other kid who's not asserting themselves also deserves to learn and ask questions it might be a little bit harder for them like there's a lot of ways in which I've tried to understand why these things exist the way that they do but I do think that there is a problem with you know not trying to meet kids where like and acknowledge the fact that kids have different needs you know this system of like of capitalism that we exist in makes it so like people aren't allowed to be individuals have differences and have their needs met and create a community in which we can support each other um understanding our differences and our strengths yeah yeah and I mean in the school I worked at actually was actually like one of the best schools in the country at uh you know each class was uh an integrated code talk classroom and so it was mixed we had students all across all every spectrum and that was one of they had two focuses one was anti-bias education and the other was to engage all Learners so I that and that's that's at a school that's true that's doing their best you know what am I trying and there's still the disruptive kid yeah I know exactly and I mean but one of the things we would talk about a lot is coming to a place where we understand we're not trying to teach kids to be independent but to be interdependent and that that's a beautiful thing and that our that's that's what we want as our end goal because a lot of the time in education we use the word independence like where we want to meet a kid where they're at so that we can help them to become independent but but we kind of flip the scales and we're like no we actually want to be interdependent it's a beautiful thing to be interdependent and I think when we say we want kids to be independent we actually want them to be individualistic and not like turn into a community and but then also support like the existing culture that we might cut this but I just can't resist like have you seen the Ken Robinson I think it it was at one point the most viewed Ted Talk of all time I don't know if it still is but it's called education Revolution I think I think you would really like it I'll send it to Penn and he can send it to you but he basically talks about like differentiated design for different Learners and I don't know who she I don't remember who she ended up being but it was either like a lead in cats or like the premier ballerina at some point but he talks about this young girl who was always getting in trouble because she couldn't sit still and they wanted to put her in like you know um like have her go down a level or something and her mom like advocated for her and I think they switched her into like a School for the Arts and she became this like incredible ballet dancer I'm probably messing up all the details but there's a woman who becomes a dancer there's a key detail uh we should cut all of this but I think you would really like that Ted talk because it's basically speaking to what you're saying and he's so compelling and it's like you can't educate every child the same way not every child is meant to come out and be the same person they have different talents our education has to educate to bring out their talent it's not what we think someone should be yeah I think the system that I grew up in like Arts weren't really supported or like encouraged um I mean it is very difficult to become successful as an artist but like I think it's still worth pursuing your passion which I'm lucky that I had parents that definitely um encourage that um but at the same time I guess if this is about my experience like a huge part of being called disruptive was that teachers were pressing my parents to medicate me um and so that's something that happened very early on yeah did it you don't have to talk about this if you don't want to but what ended up happening did your parents like come to the pressure so I was medicated from the ages of like seven or eight to like 11 um at which point like I think it probably really developed like affected the development of my brain probably and so I'm like this and um that's actually what I do you're okay um and like yeah I didn't grow I didn't eat um I don't think it made me less disruptive yeah um uh but I was like on speed and like went through withdrawal when I was like 11. like it's pretty hard drugs to put a kid on um and also over the course of that you start to feel kind of like ostracized because like I was like tested into like mentally gifted but was also in special ed and it's like a weird identity thing to be like obviously like what what what is what am I and they'd be like we don't understand what to do with you and you're just like I'm sorry yeah you know like I'm 11. oh that's wild Victoria so this was in I want to say Pittsburgh but it wasn't Pittsburgh proper no I'm from the Philadelphia area yeah okay you're like please for a few years but whatever but it was it was I went to college in Pittsburgh okay yeah okay okay I also do not know my my Northeast I don't know my geography Pennsylvania New York State very well it's all New Jersey actually it's like it's pretty close is it when it's Philadelphia people say Pittsburgh hardly ever been there um yeah I grew up in Bucks County not just a suburb of Philadelphia well Victoria I feel like you've started to sort of hint at this but um I I did like do some prep and watch some of your other interviews and then in one of your interviews something that you said really like um I don't know like kind of touched me and you talked about really what you wanted was friends and to feel like you belonged and um and that's something that you still long for to this day is to feel neutral about yourself like not too high not too low and I was just wondering like yeah in middle school did you did you have friends like how are you with that Journey now have you found that neutrality how's that all going I mean I think having neutrality is really a difficult and maybe like something to Aspire towards but never really get to like I don't actually want to be neutral about things you know like but I I think it's something it's like I don't know maybe I want to be a monk or something [Laughter] he was like yes we're talking about monks I mean I yeah my dad used to say this kind of goes back to the 80d thing he was like you should become a monk really because because I was so indecisive and he was like just have a life where everything's just kind of clearly laid out for words and I do love to just sit and look out right but see that's kind of I don't know that's fascinating to me because the last thing that we would associate with acting a performer no I no I know I was actually going to say like the idea that someone has trouble I don't know sitting still or whatever they may be very typical classifications of add whatever it's just I don't know it's just interesting that it's also like manifest it's also a sensory answer of a struggle with being a ble for for for people with 80 right yeah and exercise and also like let's be real like I mean I mean Gabriel mate talks about it being something that is a product of um and and not him alone other people as well but like in that book um talks a lot about how add develops from an innate sensitivity that is then um like as you're developing outside of the womb um certain things are blocked from developing yeah and so certain parts of your brain and nervous system are functioning probably in the way that would be the most efficient um I also I have many family members who are diagnosed with ADHD I'm 99 sure I have ADHD but I have not gone to go get a diagnosis because it's so expensive and I don't need to for my work but um from what I've read about it and from what I know from my own experience is there's like a couple things that can like get you to get up and do a task one is urgency like if it had like you've left it to the last minute and you have to do it you'll sit down and do it another the other is desirability like if it's something you want to do you're gonna lot like lock in and not eat not drink not do you know I don't think I think oftentimes people think of ADHD as like maybe flighty or like you know you you can't focus on one thing sometimes it does look like that often it does look like that like you're switching subjects in your mind all the time but then sometimes it's the complete opposite you're in like a flow State um which I think is like yeah a misconception about the disorder totally I mean I'm very passionate about the things that I'm passionate about yeah I really enjoy diving into that like Flow State but then it comes back to the idea that like okay are we dealing with diagnosis or are we dealing with individuals that have an entire health history that have an entire life of the way in which they've experienced trauma to their physical body or their like Soul you know like and how that creates an individual what you want to deal with within that like I I think figuring out ways of like coping and functioning in the world is very difficult especially if you don't have the resources or the just an understanding of how these things are functioning I think a lot of us understand these things on a like instinctual level but we don't necessarily have the language in order to express how we're feeling what we're seeing and like like working it out like even like like I have this thing with me like just in case just in case I get over stimulated I can just like Touch This and like like when I was when I was in like Middle School I would have had so much Shame about that you know because it was so it's like a sponge like I'm holding a sponge that has like shaped like a fish that has little um poke like Pokey things on it that you can do to be honest I don't really want to yeah that's really cool I really like that yeah but um so that there's this is really nice actually my my Layman's grass Sophie's like been handed over my Layman's grasp of what is behind a lot of what Debra Mata is saying and what I you know I think we're Loosely talking about here is like there's some there's some Okay so I would say the question at the end of the show that we always ask often comes back the answer is always individual but there's always a universal thing which is like basically wanting to say what would you say to your 12 year old yeah what would you say to yourself about self and it's I would say like you're okay and and I'm just feeling like right now like there is this essence you mentioned the soul earlier like deep down we want to tap into that because we know there's a level at which we're okay and then we know there's levels of which we don't which we're not but and it's and I think at that age it's just it's just really emotional and you know in the past Victoria you um if there's something that's always stood out to me is maybe the way you talk about I I don't know what you would want to call it it's both spiritual and cultural it's many things but like your your relationship to your Jewish identity and your family as you were growing up maybe you could talk a little bit about that because I think it it seems to have informed like your creativity and it informs I don't know a lot of things that you feel comfortable mentioning it I guess yeah I mean I guess it was like just from the way in which I was taught to relate to my to my has a lot to do with like a sense of of Duty in terms of cultivating healing in the world and um prioritizing life above all else [Music] um uh yeah I mean I I feel like I have a unique relationship with my Jewish actually it's probably more Universal than I know I just meet a lot of kids and people that um kind of had easy access to their um Identity or like like my my mom grew up in a situation in which she very like where there was a huge a huge um pressure to assimilate and her father wasn't very supportive of her like learning anything about her Jewish identity so she kind of uh pursued that later in life when she was in her 50s and I would have been in elementary school um and so that's kind of where I started my like religious education but before that I had like a deep cultural education learning about my history and everything like that um but um I don't know a lot of it comes back to like the story of Exodus for me too like this idea that like um what is the line I can't remember it's like from the Old Testament yeah from the Old Testament where it's like I don't have it uh uh off book okay some people really got it right in their bags when people do I'm like wow wow yeah um but something like we should never treat people like strangers in our land because we were one strangers in Egypt that's beautiful yeah which is like about community and peoplehood that goes beyond like I don't know some people some people have an understanding of Jews being very like exclusionary um which might be true about some like religious practices but in general I feel like there's a duty of like you know raising up people you know a big we're a Wandering people I feel like Passover is a conversation about refugees all over the world um that we retell every year um and so these things just kind of got into my brain as I was growing up and um yeah I really I'm very proud to be Jewish and I'm you know happy to be able to like pass that sense of um pursuing Justice um did you feel that was that specifically like I mean Justice is something now that we think about a lot it's like it's a word that is used I think a lot more culturally like in pop culture you know yeah do you feel and and I am I don't know like part of the ethos behind this show like we we wonder about how kids in middle school are thinking about this stuff and and we can see it out there in the world like some how they are more middle schoolers are thinking about Justice now than they were when I was a kid yeah totally yeah for sure and yeah so like kind of go back there maybe like how how are you thinking about stuff like when I was in Middle School I was obsessed with the musical hair I was obsessed with the Civil Rights Movement I was like really into um social justice The Counter Culture and it made me very unpopular you know I was trying to engage with other students about like political conversations and in the suburbs of Philadelphia Pittsburgh kids were like um can you calm down yeah where was that coming from like were you having those conversations with your parents or okay okay yeah yeah I was always meant to engage with them I guess I also had curiosity because if I really didn't give a [ __ ] I guess I would have just been like stop you know like but I really cared about these things I thought that they were important and that they affected me even if I didn't have the ability to vote yeah yeah and I mean you were right yeah so I do want to Circle back to that question I was trying to get at earlier did you have a close friend like did you have anyone in your class who was like yeah I want to talk to you about politics yeah um yeah I had one friend Lily Frankel um we were both really into hair I love that I like that um we both like we're really into talking about like the presidential election that's when um Barack Obama was elected for the first time wow and um that was all very exciting and um yeah that's also when when I was 13 I went to a Jewish summer camp and that was kind of the first time that I really felt like I was becoming the person that I wanted to be and that I had the ability to Define myself on my own terms like the truth of the matter is I was partially disruptive because the environment I was growing up in was very chaotic and I think we don't take that into account with kids enough too and they're like why are they crazy and then it's like maybe they're like they're little people living in you know we don't know what they're going home to yeah so like there was a lot of uh chaos there and being able to get away from that for like a whole month it was so healing for me even at 13 like um and I remember getting into the car and my parents just being like you seemed different it's like I am oh um and I can't like say enough about those you know teachers can do a lot of good and the the counselors that I worked with I remember them me doing something maybe not disruptive but maybe a little mean you know and I remember just somebody being like why why did you do that you know and just being asked that question just being like I don't know and I don't want to yeah you know this is just how I'm this is just how I'm being taught to deal with things you know beautiful this is what's being modeled for me yeah yeah um but I don't have to be that person I can be whoever I want to be especially when nobody knows who you are you know like I went by Tori at some really yeah Tory or Toria Tori yeah well as you were talking Victoria and you you mentioned disruptive again I was thinking well actually disruptive is a really cool thing to be called right talk about social justice yeah to like disrupt the environment and well then it it signals to the person in power in this case like the teacher the counselor whoever that like something's wrong like if someone has to be disruptive then something's wrong with the environment something needs to change so it's actually it's actually cool should reclaim it yeah well I think leadership all over whether it's teachers or in any kind of working environment can often struggle to admit that they don't have all the answers yeah and um I think great leadership is the willingness to listen you know because you're there to serve the people you're leading in part like so yeah it's unfortunate that so many people take on these roles but really um don't have the capacity to do it I also just wanted to point out when you said that someone asked you that's really powerful because if they had like shamed you which sometimes is like the impulse like being a school administrator a teacher at points like you're like how could you do that like that was the wrong thing to do yeah but that might elicit in the person like defensiveness and no reflection on the behavior whereas like you had an opportunity to be like I don't want to do that why did I do that and that's really powerful yeah yeah punishment is I mean like I think learning that you there are consequences is very important understanding that you ought to take responsibility for what you've done is important but I think that I think that we have I think we're moving away from it to the point where sometimes I hear like we need it we need a little bit more punishments but I think except I think excessive punishment can definitely just shut a person down yeah yeah yeah you see that especially with toddlers it's so clear because like they're they're just a great example of not knowing but like sometimes they can like throw something and like really hurt you you know and it's like you know it is the beginning of seeing like wow it would be so easy to take that personally and get upset and then and then that couldn't like to hold them to try and hold the toddler accountable for something is is like if you really think about it it's insane it just doesn't make any sense what you have to show them is Mercy like that's the best thing because then they learn how to soothe and be like oh that's a yeah it's just like it's and then once in a while just put them in a cage he's really not getting it yeah we talked about Community or you talked about community and then we've talked a little bit about friendships in middle school but I'm wondering just sort of more personally as someone who's moved around a lot and thought about friendship myself as an adult specifically I'm wondering what your experience with friendships has been like throughout your life how has it evolved and yeah yeah I mean I think friendship's the the thing that's it that's that's what life is made out of is the opportunity to connect with people like yeah I I I'm so grateful for the friends that I've had uh along the way in my life but also like as somebody who's like moved around and transitioned a lot in my life there's a lot of friendships that I've I wouldn't say let go of like they're very still present in my heart but people that I do not see very often yeah um but it is it is special when you get to see those people again and it doesn't feel like much time has passed yeah yeah yeah I mean I think those can really like drive you to understand that you're not you're not so crazy you're not so um unlikable you know you're not so you know that there's there's people that get it like I I don't know I do think that a lot of us are vibrating on different frequencies you know and that it's we kind of translate the way we speak to different people in order to feel understood and just just communicate like it's hard enough like trying to figure out how to communicate because we all have such different frames of reference and um a different way that we I mean we're all like right here we're all speaking English but I it's that's still that still can make it hard to communicate you know that's not um it can be easier to communicate with somebody who's speaking a different language sometimes you know like the way in which we communicate is really complex but like to really feel like you can be freely express yourself with another person is pretty profound yeah and very special and I've definitely found that and I have that I think I have an amazing Community with your uh with your friend you mentioned Lily Lily Lily Frankel um were you and you know you both loved hair like were were you both like little drama turgs were you like little was it was drama becoming a thing then just just in case our listeners who don't know what that is hair is a musical yeah so it's not just like the thing that grows out of your house all right wait is that the one with um they all get naked at the end the movie version is with like John Travolta with Age of Aquarius it's with Age of Aquarius I can't remember who it was in it but I definitely watched it a lot at one point um yeah it's it's a rock musical we were were we into hair and then well like were you was that was drama becoming a part of your life then yeah yeah well Middle School was the first time that you could okay Middle School ready Middle School was the first time that you could audition for the School Musical and I had waited for this moment really so it was like you were oh I was so excited and they were doing into the woods oh yeah that's a great one yeah I mean the first half of it because it was Into the Woods Junior that mean that that musical actually deals with a lot of very adults yeah um things um but Lily Frankel got cast oh [ __ ] Lily Franco comes back again and isaena who is my best friend from elementary school they both got cast and they were the only is eighth grade the first year of Middle School no no sixth grade sixth grade they were the only sixth graders you could cast I wasn't two of my closest and I was devastated yeah and they also told me that part of why I wasn't cast was because I was like confident they were like well that's not how they said it let's let's like this is crazy yeah just walk us through it talking about an 11 12 year old they said that they felt like I was too much of a diva they did not which is something that I heard in college as well like my freshman year like it it's it's weird how like we I mean I don't think I was perfect but I was also 12 years old yeah and I was very confident and excited yeah and passionate about what I was trying to do you I mean yeah just for the for the record and for the the listeners Victoria you are you are it's I can absolutely vouch for that Victoria is extremely committed Victoria he's extremely committed I I really do feel like you know uh grounding the intensity of your character love on the show you uh those pronouns were so it's like when you say either love or you it's like it's just hard to be so we're talking about love with an upper case L and U all caps um just grounding that crazy see here's the thing is even as I'm about to call her crazy because you know the way I talk about Joe is obviously just ridiculous yeah she's crazy yeah she's crazy but but like hats off to you as an artist you I think when you're like on set and when you're playing her like you identify with her so much and and and and again I think that's beautiful I think the way I view Joe in some ways limits the way I'm able to portray him whereas like you know you uh you really Embrace her I think are you in I don't know is it is it accurate to say that you like embrace your characters you like you do something very right yeah to the point where um when I was watching the third season and we're just like I think it's the same it's like the first episode like just starting it and we're like in the basement and I just killed Natalie and we're like yelling at each other I was like my mouth is a cape yeah I was like this is crazy I was like she's so [ __ ] crazy you know because at that point I'm dead you know like I have a distance from it and now I'm watching it and I'm like no I was really in it like I was really like these are the circumstances this is her justification yeah and that's it you know like I need to say these lines they need to be felt completely yeah you know like there's no room to be like judgmental or analytical judgmental or analytical of it like that's not my place I mean now I have my judgments like I would say she's crazy she's a serial killer like she's also know exactly how she got to be how she is yeah actually I have a very soft spot that's some really like almost problems yeah like she like she's not I'll tell her to do it we we did an episode where like we're talking about the show because so many listeners let's ask questions about it yeah yeah yeah yeah um and uh and and Sophie like had some super hot take like a shot like she was like love isn't really what did you say she was like I love Joe made love this way she wasn't a serial killer yeah her whole life made her that way yeah well she and she yourself as a victim you know like she doesn't see a space for her to to you know I think go above her circumstances she's always looking for justifications to explain what she's doing and what she did instead of doing the hard disciplined rigorous work of trying to better herself for herself yeah for her child for her life you know like she she's just like I'm a product of my circumstance you know as opposed to being like maybe I should try meditating you know like like well I think you you played her particularly in season three you're amazing in season two of course but season three yeah I mean oh waste yeah I am obsessed with you in season three you did such an incredible job I think that's why I have such a soft spot for love anyway we'll move on wait no actually I want to say something when Victoria came in I said this off Mike because it was totally sincere that when I was doing research for this show I couldn't I wasn't looking mine was sincere too yeah does this also mean that you're insincere online yeah yeah usually it's all it's all for show um I was doing research and like I kept reading reviews about Victoria and they were all positive I I wasn't looking for negative ones but none came up usually you see both and one of the reviews that really stood out to me and I think it was about it was not about love Quinn and I don't know if it was about Nell or the other characters Blair what's her name no um uh Danny Danny I don't know if it was not Nell or Danny well it's the head I think it's very good that I never watched that show wow I don't think I ever quite realized I remember when you told me that you were a Gossip Girl and I was like whoa I don't need to watch it either Nell says the thing about Victoria the thing about Victoria is that she with this character you feel every moment of Anguish and grief like through like in its absolute totality and I felt that way about love I was telling someone that there's like a moment in season three I think it's when you're watching Joe um have sex with shalita that character and you're realizing that he's picturing Marianne you're realizing that he's picturing another woman and your face changes from like joy to anguish to anger did you do that yeah you did it like how can one person Express all of these emotions in three seconds your face is very expressive yeah how do you do that but also we can feel your anguish your face is not as expressive I'm just kidding no it's actually not you know what my choices do nothing all the time although I did once have an interviewer I won't name who they are because I've forgotten wow no um no no no no no no no no no this is real this is real so like I am interested in that too but on another level it is actually just like it's hard to explain a craft because our season two I think it was or maybe um I did have a lot of people asking me like how do you do that with your face where you're very serious and then you're like I was like you wouldn't [ __ ] ask you wouldn't ask uh wouldn't ask I'm trying to think of you can't think of it yeah I was just thinking this I was like okay yeah Daniel doesn't let anyone ask him anything no questions no I'm a visual artist and there are certain reasons why I make certain choices to do you know to show something in a certain way or sometimes I don't even know that it's happening and then I'll I'll like watch the video I made afterwards or I'll look at a collage afterwards and I'll realize why I did it um and and how it makes sense in the end product so I feel like that's a valid question of like well I think what I was trying to get at is just that you there's something about the quality of your acting that like it doesn't feel melodramatic it doesn't feel soapy but I ca but you are playing every emotion and some actors don't but you do and it works and I like I don't know why but it really yeah with no acting experience whatsoever I mean I I think I based a lot of my performance on what I saw pent doing in the first season that's so sweet no for sure like because you you you've got the recipe you know like like you know how to make a character that is insane and yet sympathetic yeah yeah that's true you know and so I think a lot of what I was trying to do was just like match that energy [Music] yeah I think in terms of being like really expressively I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing like I'm just existing in my imagining imagination and I think that I can overact sometimes and I think that that's something that you know you have to be willing to yeah like I'm like I'm like I'm just trying to find the balance you know and and hopefully there is difference from character to character like I think I think you really need to see all of what love is experiencing should go on that Journey with her you know um yeah I mean maybe probably training as an actor contributed to it a bit like tell us a little bit about that because you so so again tracing this line we've got to go back to our brain going to middle school middle school yeah but but you ended up I was a diva yeah oh yeah sorry about that um but you you do have like a lot of training I think significant training you value that process you went through I did to school and I really respect that it's not always the case you know and and I and I so maybe tell us a little bit about that like you you've been a conservatory I did yeah what made you decide to go into acting and how did you fully get into it so I mean I think it goes back to even Middle School like that happened then I was on crew because I was like I'm gonna get as close to this as I possibly can like I really don't have pride about it like I just want to be a part of this I want to be a part of this collaborative process I want to be a part of this community like every time you do a production whether it's a show or a movie or a stage play like you're building a tiny like a little community and it's so enriching talk about friendship connection like honestly on an artistic level right like it's so it's so life-giving and so I just pretty consistently through like middle school and high school like didn't really get the lead and like I don't know I think that said just more fire under my butt you know to be like I'm gonna show you you didn't give me the opportunity then I'm going to show you like that was really a huge motivating fact I'm gonna be honest because that could it could have gone the other way yeah I feel like it did not discourage me I was like I don't know why you're not casting me like I know that I have something to offer you know and I want to figure out if it's not if it's not working like how I'm gonna get there um did that confidence show up elsewhere you know growing up I mean I think I was probably pretty calm I'm probably pretty confident now like I know the ways in which I'm insecure but I sometimes have to realize that like in the grand scheme of things Victoria probably a lot more confident than a lot of people uh wait wait can she finish answering that actually I'm sorry yes yeah um so you like joined the crew you didn't have pride about it you wanted to be part of that world yeah and then you know then you go through middle school high school I I want to feed it I didn't get into the musicals but I got into the play still wasn't really getting cast Jenny in the musical but I got into play didn't really get into the play but I could do the one act and the one acts when it's a one-act competition but then I won an award at the one act competition so I was like okay okay somebody likes me people are responding I'm getting laughs that's that that gets you for sure I'm getting laughs I'm getting tears people are responding to it that's what I want that's what I get out of theater and film and television you know that's we have the possibility to have a catharsis together it's spiritual it's real you know like and then I was like wanted to drop out of high school very desperately um I will never forget like being at a Joe's Crab Shack and being like Mom let me drop out of high school like to perform uh probably whatever be out of school okay primarily but also like yeah I could just like go somewhere and try to pursue this and figure something out for myself like I didn't I don't think I thought I was just gonna immediately work as an actor but um yeah I think in high school I started to really be like I definitely want to be an actor um and then got through high school by the skin of my teeth and um wanted to take she was like you could take a gap year but then I got into one of the best acting programs in the country and I was that was again very motivating so I was like I don't want to wait for that I don't want to be there now um so then that's how I ended up going to Conservatory program and then you you were the first professional job was now right yeah that is so unlikely Blair wallet but no that I just feel like that never happened um so how did you go from like no experience to were you like you had to also like land your marks and like I feel like there's a lot of technical stuff that people have you know time to grasp so what was that first season like for you I mean when I think about it now because I've been I've been kind of processing it recently like it was quite a luxurious process we shot that for nine months and um I mean I don't think it was luxurious for the for a lot of people but honestly I mean my character feels very present in it but I'm I honestly am mostly just doing one episode um but like we were doing like numerous takes from many different angles it was all very well planned and constructed where as an actor you know by the time I was showing up the focus was really on the performance you know there weren't people adjusting lights like our director Mike Flanagan ran a very tight set um that created a lot of safe space for actors to do that um I also had the opportunity to watch playback which I really enjoyed I learned a lot from that um I remember when I first got to you and I was like we don't have playback yeah like nobody has playback what is playback is it just like after you do a scene or after the day yeah but but at what point is like right after the scene well I usually I usually I mean it depends I wouldn't I don't I would never watch playback while I'm doing a scene but it was it was great to help me learn in terms of like watching it after the scene was done and be like because it's never as bad as I think it is you know whatever I've come up with is 10 times worse in my head so it usually puts me at rest a lot of people don't let actors watch playback especially because I don't know they're well I can I I can see how I mean especially even this last season directing I um can see why across the board it's hard to get because like I I remember when you were able to watch playback a few times probably for some kind of technical reason I don't remember them like I ever was I think they talked about it no I think I know the reason I remember it is because I I just remember you demonstrating in some way that it helped you and it didn't get you in your head yeah it doesn't whereas I would think that some actors it gets them in their head I also found when I was directing without a lot of playback first of all which was maddening but we didn't have time for it no that is what it is but um it went both ways sometimes I would see it and I'd be like oh if I had just had playback I would have known to just just move the camera just a little bit to the left and down and just just boom down just a little bit and then suddenly you have a shot otherwise so now I know that that like take doesn't have an opening shot so I gotta use so anyway but without getting technical but I think that what playback means for an actor is either oh I see kind of where it's going wrong let me just yeah let me just do another and and it's better or playback means oh is that what I'm doing is that what I look like oh is that and then so it I think it either helps you because you can use it as a tool or it completely hinders you because you're because then you become self-conscious and it really depends on the actor and and have you had that experience of being able to watch it while you're shooting a scene no not as an actor yeah yeah I wouldn't yeah I wouldn't think and it's and it's very unusual but it was present on that was a possibility on on Hill house it was also the shots were so well so specifically continuity was so intense and like it like working under those kinds of restrictions I find a lot of freedom actually and I really enjoy it that is that I I think it's almost like the more yeah restrictions constraints whatever you want to say the more everything is like intensely rehearsed and specifically placed as an actor sometimes that is it is it is liberating because then then you are allowed to be fully present you know and you don't have to worry about everything working mm-hmm Victoria you mentioned that you think you're probably a pretty confident person or more confident than most and I mean I've made it clear how incredible I think you are but because you you were straight away on such big shows I'm wondering if you ever dealt with a feeling of imposter syndrome or not feeling like ready yeah especially about being famous like I didn't I didn't really want that so laughs it took it took a long time to accept that that was a reality that wasn't going to change um being famous yeah because you're just exposed you know once you have exposure people know who you are they're not gonna forget I mean yeah the young people might not know you know right but like the people that really like took in the work that you did or probably not gonna we can cut this too but it's interesting because before you came pen and I went to get lunch together and when we walked out of the building this girl jumped she like gasped and jumped and I thought it was funny because I forgot that then I often forget that pen is famous I don't know why because people always forgets that I'm an actor yeah for a second I was like why did that girl just jump in and then I like laughed and so I asked pen about it kind of like cat I was like oh that was kind of funny and he he got Sommer like the mood changed and then we had like a brief conversation he was just talking about like it's always hard like it's not something that he enjoys it's not something that anybody really is meant to be subject to I think in a way and let's be like I'm gonna be real like I was made I was made fun of in school so when a bunch of people are all snickering looking at me in a corner she feel awful it doesn't feel good no I know no honestly someone actually helpful to hear yeah because you wouldn't assume that yeah we were on the train over here today and uh I was also very aware of like the surroundings and there was a girl probably like 21 or something and she's sitting right there behind yeah yeah no not behind me to your left and she was like filming pen and like I just and then like looking at her phone and that's actually I didn't realize it but that's what it felt like it felt she for her she's probably just like excited but it came across as like meme like mean like it's like yeah it bring I think it probably brings you right back to Middle School where it's like if you don't know what someone's thinking or who they're sending it to this show it's like it's like who are they sending that to what are they saying like what are they thinking about me in this moment it's that's and here's the thing it's never about you it's always about you yeah sorry I'm just listen to it every now and then see what that was that was deflection yeah yeah I think we are we all picked up on that yeah um it was subtle no you did not so absolutely no just to say like yeah I I feel for you guys well some people love it uh yeah I mean some people the teachers and people do love it and some people think that that's the life anybody would want yeah and you I you did you became an actor so you could be famous duh and it's like no I thought I'd work on some stage that nobody was gonna see and I'd impact the people that shared space with me right and it wouldn't be about that you know like I took jobs because they were jobs I got out of college I didn't have money I like took the jobs that came to me you know I wasn't being particularly Discerning in that way either yeah it was not he was not a huge hit when I signed on for it like like it hadn't gone to Netflix yet and hadn't blown up on that platform so I didn't know that it was going to be such a huge thing I didn't know that no that's when you signed on no it was still it there was like the plan of that but it hadn't been released and so it hadn't blown up Netflix was the space for it not a lifetime I guess wow Victoria you just mentioned that kids were mean to you and so when someone's like standing in a corner looking at you and laughing like that it brings you right back to that place would you mind sharing an example of like of how because I know that that's something that our listeners struggle with a lot too and and they might feel I don't know a relief knowing that someone like you has also gone through it um yeah I feel like a really good example of this that happened in middle school was that um yeah I think it was math class I was in math class and like I remember these people like sitting over there sneaking around looking at me and I was like huh what's going on and then this guy gave me like I I hadn't had like any romantic interactions at that point really and this one kid like gives me a little phone number and he says my phone number called me and we had lunch right after that so I went to lunch and like I walked out of the lunchroom like I remember standing in like a hallway or or maybe he maybe it was the next day and he hadn't come to school or something I don't remember but anyway I was in school and I called the phone number and it was the rejection hotline oh no it was so awful that's so uh even that that exists number one yeah that's so awful Victoria but also it's so unprompted it's like it's like it's like a live-action troll like Internet troll that's so unfair yeah I think I mean even since elementary school I think because I was so passionate and so obsessed with Justice it was very easy to get a rise out of me like I would just get so excited about things and I I was like pretty serious and like you know I I would get over I would get really really loud about like the things I was passionate about like when everybody was calling everyone gay like I'd be like don't say that you know and like people loved it they were like haha look at you getting caring about things like I think it was also very in fashion to be apathetic yeah yeah it's less so now I think I think so I think so it's still it's it's it's hard for Todds to change that much that quickly but yeah I mean it does seem like it's changing yeah I feel that way but then I like went to my nephew's soccer game and don't go to a soccer game in high school and I was like they literally look exact like has the fashion changed actually that much yeah it's exactly the same it was so weird I was like that guy did that guy never leave high school with him yeah can I ask how you feel around it's a question for everybody at the table actually um how you feel around middle schoolers and high schoolers because I think the joke is is that as a as a class of people which we all go through like we are the most awkward and sensitive and self-conscious and yet somehow exude something that makes adults fully like cower oh [ __ ] there's this high scores okay nervous you know what I mean yeah like how do you feel around around people that age I don't know I don't spend I don't feel that I don't feel I mean it depends it depends I don't know I was just hanging out with high schoolers and it was like pretty pretty fine I mean I want them to like me but I want everyone to like me no that's not true I think I want I think I think that I don't think I can generalize in that way middle schoolers maybe I am a little bit I'm a little scared of really yeah for me it's the opposite middle schoolers because I actually do know a lot of middle schoolers in my neighborhood yeah and I feel that actually they are really sweet the ones I know and they're like easy to please they're eager they want to be around you and like learn from you and talk to you but then it's high schoolers really and this is this is this has not always been the case I have been around middle schoolers before as an adult and been like extremely nervous because I just I just want them to like me and I feel like one toe out of line one like misstep one old reference and it's over and they know that I'm too old and it's it's over for me but now I feel like middle schoolers are really sweet and lovely to be around high schoolers I feel that same feeling nervous and like I'm gonna out myself as being old and uncool yeah I I haven't been around middle schoolers recently but there's like one hi Kenzie if she listens but uh besides Kenzie I haven't spent much time with middle schoolers lately and I wish that I would because I love them so I was a teacher and I've taught I taught Elementary for one summer and I've taught middle school high school and University and University was the easiest high school was my favorite in terms of like preparing but middle schoolers like have my heart like I love middle schoolers I love being around them and to me like eighth grade and even ninth grade which is the first year of high school is like the last year in the U.S where they'll be really sweet to you as a teacher they'll hug you they'll like tell you they love you like it's just like such a loving relationship and then once they hit 10th grade it's like they're cool if they like you like you're the cool teacher but there's none of the Like Loving affection it just kind of ends and it probably should you know what's the age four I would say 13 14 is the last year that I experienced and I taught middle school and high school at the same time one year and there's just a big difference one year but there's a big difference in how they treat you so yeah I totally saw that sweetness and I think middle schoolers are the funniest which is why I wanted to start this podcast because they're so funny they do absurd things and like I love it I love being around middle schoolers I need more of it yeah yeah I don't actually spent like what I'm thinking about I don't spend time around middle schoolers or high schools Middle School is really based on nothing so I mean I feel like I just try to deal with people as people and I'm often just I'm often very consumed with what I was thinking about at the time like I like like I like if they're doing anything weird I'm just like or if they're being mean I'm just like oh no there's that you know like I feel like that's my response but what about you pen I I mean you're living with a middle schooler yeah yeah stepson is uh she's gonna be 14. wow wow um of course half of it was during a pandemic so there's that's there's this aspect of like such a unique time to be in what we call middle school but if it's not even spent a school what's the what's the thing we call it what's the you know middle time period of adolescence yeah uh and then and then um part of it is well I don't know I mean I think like what you're just describing Sophie about um this feeling of nervousness and awkwardness around you know these like certain age youth that's in some way the way I feel every time posting on social media it's like all right just walk through the hall really quickly and just don't look at anybody that's so funny such a good analogy I think that's maybe the way that I felt previous to getting on Tick Tock which is interesting that it's like it's I did not anticipate it at all to feel this way but it feels somehow a lot more relatable it feels a lot more like commenting makes more sense whereas like I don't know again the the yeah like you know the comments section of Instagram post feels like the hall or the lunch where everybody's just like talking about well and in this case it actually is about you and it's and you know and so it's it's a very you know in Hollywood itself isn't I think Beyond uh if it's lucky it's at the age of maturity of high school and it isn't really gone beyond that I think there's so much about it but there's so much about it that is just so consumed with Optics yes yeah and and the way that things appear and the and and how if you're not a roof but just certain people just you know when they say they have that it factor I mean and you know a lot of times it does it the way they look or whatever so you know it's just it's it's I yeah there there's um to me the beauty of it somehow is like the older you get the more you can accept the lightness of of Life the sweetness of life and it's and it's uh and yet you know I have this personal conviction part of what we think about in this show is like if we can understand why it takes so long to get there what could we be sharing with our youth like when they're about to go through that when they are going through that so that like it doesn't have to be such a long Boomerang back to sweetness you know back to lightness and it is something you're going back to like I do think that yeah I mean you're going back to it with growth so it's like it's you know you're going back to it and and then and then it's wisdom and I mean maybe maybe actually that's the beauty of age is that you're is it is maybe it's that re that Reclamation Reclamation yeah yeah I think so we have about 10 minutes left and I I do know that fans of the show really wanted to ask a few you questions so are you guys down if we ask you a couple of questions about you sure ask questions about me I mean that's what this is yeah we're here to interview me Victoria's playing with me okay so the the question that I saw that I thought was interesting is fans want to know how you guys felt about the iwolf view scene and was it hard to keep a straight face something like that I fought it a lot oh really I don't recall struggling with it I mean no I think there were many moments where I was like why are we doing this and you're like Victoria just do it oh wait that's the exact inverse of my relationship with Ken it's true he's like why are we doing something like pen just do it yeah press post press post today I'm like I'm gonna hit post for you today she had her finger over the butt do it so funny that's fine interesting why did you fight it because it's ridiculous well and the fine line between us and iconic is yeah yeah oh my God what the [ __ ] is this you don't love me you know what's interesting about that episode there was an entire wolf cut out of it we'll get pictures of it there was a scene where Joe gets bitten really that was cut out they cut out the entire and I was we had a wolf guys I was limping I don't remember the entire ladder happens the limp is just gone there's a scene where you cut your finger you're limping no huh no there was a wolf no no so the wolf is still there but the but the bite the wolf was featured so much more prominently in the episode um and and it was cut out because it was so hard to get the wolf to do what there was a real wolf yeah oh it was so hard because of reasons that are obvious like you know they couldn't really get the they couldn't have the wolf actually lunge at me oh my God I hope they didn't try uh no no so basically they couldn't really you know know what it came down to is like they would have needed hundreds of thousands of dollars for like a CG wolf to come to to come for me and so I think it just so basically they edited around this whole story point you know which was like Joe gets bitten by the wolf and that is a thing you know at the is that before or after I will for you when was it was it what prompted the item I'm not sure not sure wow okay Victoria I'm like in this week's episode uh the one that's out this week so in last week's episode we asked Penn what his favorite scene was to film with you and he said it was the dinner scene the final scene in season three and I want to know what was your favorite scene to film with Penn hmm of course I didn't have to answer in front of her that's true pen would you leave the room for a moment sure yeah that's fine I gotta relieve our Nanny anyway [Music] um um I don't know we did a lot together my God mine was like a little bit of just a quick hot tick I was like um okay what's what because you know what's favorite even is like so subjective it's like why because what I like that scene for was that well first of all a lot of times I don't have lines that's true people don't realize how often it's another person and carrying all the weight yeah exactly and doing all of that all of that good acting knobs all of that all those facial expressions where she takes you on an emotional Journey what she's doing finally someone on this show is making me feel something yeah um uh what I liked about that scene was um I don't particularly love my performance I just I just liked that there was such a give and take you know and actually not I'm thinking about it episode two though all those therapy scenes oh that was fun that that actually I'm revising my answer those are to me that's episode what episode episode two of season three yeah yeah maybe those that was really fun what was fun about that well that we were talking like they were real like scenes in which you're talking and responding and like there's dialogue and there's a journey through the scene you know it's not just starting in a heightened place um I love I always love scenes in psychologist offices yeah like across the board on everything I think it's a great um space to explore characters with their guard down a little bit um but yeah I mean I really loved the end of season two too those were those could some of those were really fun um especially when we're like yelling at each other and I think it was I I think when like when I'm just like you were looking at a fantasy and like we're going back and forth about like finally being like really oh and that's what I really hope that season three would be and there was so much of like that real like um real confrontation that ends up being like deeply funny because neither of them kind of sit on a moral High Ground they're both just trying to be like correct and right and it's like um yeah yeah I would say psychologists sure here's a question you once said what should I say you once said in an interview I've never met a ghost yeah which made us curious do you believe in ghosts oh yeah sure yeah I think that's what I mean I was answering that question I think I think when I was saying that it was because somebody asked me and I was like I haven't had an interaction with one but I think as an actor your imagination should be like wide open and I've met too many people that have had those experiences to like disregard them it's real I think that's not that would seem silly to me right I think that was it for the sort of show questions so we do have a final closing question which is if you could go back to your 12 year old self what would you say to her [Music] um I mean you said you would say like you're you're okay my answer is different from from that but what I was saying is that often what comes through is the way that what I hear when we ask them yeah the what what I hear like kind of across the board in some manner is like it's gonna be okay you know foreign yeah I mean honestly I don't think I could tell that little girl anything but like I think it would be more like you're not okay you know and the fact that you feel like this is not okay um is a good sign you know like um it can be um yeah just like yeah I feel like more I'd want to listen um I like that yeah because I think that's what that person needed was somebody to listen as opposed to tell them what to feel that's so profound Victoria the resonance yeah I love that beautiful yeah thank you so much for being here thank you for coming back yeah thank you so much yeah Ben do you think I'm a Diva no I'm down I'm down I recently I was just visiting my husband's family and we were talking about how you know people sometimes end up in partnership with people who remind them of their their mother or their father yeah and um yeah always and I'm not sure if that's our unconsciousness my mother-in-law was like I think we're quite similar and I was like really in what ways she started naming someone she's like I think we're both down to earth and I told David my husband about it later and he just started laughing his head off he was like you down to earth learning something totally new about myself anyway that's yeah I'm funny Victoria no I don't think you're a diva I think Sophie's a dick and that concludes this podcast this relationship and me and my husband join us for season two where it'll just be me what did I do you're okay

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Published: Tue Feb 07 2023