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This episode is sponsored by Audible One of the greatest constraints on human   civilizations has been the need  to travel outward to new horizons   to find fertile land to gather and farm from. What  if the solution is to go upward not outward?   So today we’re taking a look at vertical farming  asking what it is and what the opportunities and   challenges are in developing it, and if it  can ever become practical. Now discussion of   vertical farming almost always involves  discussion of other farming techniques,   typically greenhouses, soilless farming,  hydroponics, aquaponics, aeroponics,   and other controlled-environment agriculture  and so we will discuss those today briefly too,   but vertical farming itself is the concept  of growing farms in vertical stacks,   multiple levels, or of just taking far  more advantage of height in farm layout.   As an example, in a future of low gravity space  farming, up and down aren’t much harder to work   with than left and right or forward and  back, whereas you usually want optimize   maximum internal volume per external surface  area on space habitats, keeping them compact,   so you would be a lot more likely to see farmed  volumes rather than farmed areas, so to speak.   Now the biggest hurdle of vertical  farming is cost, it's outrageously   expensive to build up or even to build at  all, compared to raw cleared land. Mostly,   we’ll get into current exceptions today  and expected future ones. This is also why   vertical farming is almost always discussed in  tandem with controlled-environment agriculture,   because while something like a greenhouse is  usually hugely more agriculturally productive than   an equal area of open land, the cost to build and  maintain one is often considerably higher than an   equal amount of land is. However if you’re already  building up for stacked vertical farm layers,   putting a roof and sides on to control  the environment doesn’t cost much extra,   but gives huge rewards, so tend  to almost always be included..   A lot of the costs for vertical and  controlled-environment agriculture are   likely to go down as we improve technology, and  also proportionally down as we seek to get more   food out of less land and land values rise. So  too, the cost of food traditionally – especially   for citizens in an urban area - is mostly not  the cost to produce it and more the cost of   transportation and storage. And especially  in the case of items prized for freshness,   like herbs and some fruits and vegetables, urban  agriculture that cuts out the transportation   and storage issues can get away with premium  prices more viable for vertical agriculture.   Now a lot of our examples of  controlled-environment agriculture, especially   vertical farming, tend to rest their economics  on taking advantage of discounts and freebies,   something like building out of discarded  shipping pallets or abandoned urban warehouses.   I applaud any hobbyist or entrepreneur taking  advantage of deals or recycling that way   but it does represent a false cost for upscaling  – you run out of free discards – and it makes it   very tricky to really look at the future  economics of vertical farming because so   many of the known examples are of that sort. Similarly, it's not uncommon for advocates to   credit big production with vertical farming in  cases where that is more from the controlled   environment aspects. It's not false but it can be  a touch misleading from a future expansion point   of view because any scenario in which vertical  farming has come to produce a large fraction   of our food is one in which we either have  hyper-energy-abundance and/or amazing automation,   or it's one in which we have already replaced  open-air farming with domes and greenhouses   over it all, in which case we’re comparing  the economics and productivity of vertical   farming to that, not open-air farming. And we should probably start there,   because it does show how the costs contrast. Good  agricultural land isn’t cheap, it can run several   thousands dollars per acre, but that pales  in comparison to the price of land in cities.   We estimate that the total of urban land in the  United States values at well over 25 trillion   dollars and amounts to some roughly 50 million  acres at over half a million dollars an acre.   And that’s all urban land, not metropolises  let alone downtown Hong Kong, New York,   or London, where a single square meter of  land costs more than a hectare of farm land.   Incidentally since I’ll be switching back  and forth between hectares and acres, meters   and feet, a lot in the episode, for quick mental  approximation, a square meter is about 10.7 square   feet and a hectare is about two-and-a-half acres,  or 4 hectares, 10 acres. A hectare is 10,000   square meters, or 100x100 meters, and an acre is  about 4000 square meters or 43,560 square feet,   and there’s 640 acres to a square mile  and 100 hectares to a square kilometer.   You don’t need to memorize those, there’s  no quiz at the end, but I felt we should   bring those numbers up to emphasize just how  wild the cost differences are. Monaco, the   world’s most expensive land market, at over 5000  dollars a square foot, costs more than an entire   acre of farmland does in my neck of the woods,  indeed it’s about 60,000 times more expensive.   Out in the country land is so cheap that  virtually all the cost of a structure is   building it and maintaining it, in a metropolis  that flips around, the cost of the land and   paying its mortgage and property taxes can  dwarf the cost of even multi-story buildings,   let alone some ultra-cheap area structures like  barns and warehouses. We normally put the price   of a commercial greenhouse at around 25 dollars  a square foot, so greenhousing in an entire acre   would run around a million dollars, a hectare  about 2.5 million, both about double the cost   of average urban real estate, again not downtown  metropolises where it can be several million.   Obviously the land cost is trivial there for  rural examples, and indeed there places you   can still buy land for under a thousand an acre  from a combination of remoteness and bareness   and greenhousing those places, like a region cold  enough to be permafrosted, can suddenly change   that land into prime agricultural producers.  And yet the savings for building there,   rather than on existing prime land, is trivial  too and possibly non-existent considering you’re   trying to build far from existing infrastructure  too. On the flipside, sure we can find an   abandoned warehouse in many a city and convert  it into vertical farming or a big greenhouse,   but even for the purpose of freshness, we might  be better off buying 100 acres of farmland   and making that warehouse a top-notch  supply and distribution center instead.   This is a futurism channel though, so we’re not  interested in the economic viability of vertical   farming or greenhousing today, we’re interested in  it down the road. Right now there’s only 8 billion   of us, and many do think the population will  stabilize at around 9 or 10 billion. Personally   I doubt that because the background thought on all  of it is that having more folks than that, or even   that many, uses up our resources. But as long  as the cost of food is only a fraction of what   a human produces overall, you can keep expanding  – or in this case, doing more with less land – and   greenhouses, hydroponics, and vertical farming  are all huge boosters of food per unit area.   Indeed enough that greenhouses are already  marginally profitable in many cases.   And they get relatively cheaper every year  as we get better at engineering, producing,   and assembling cheap but durable glass-like  materials while simultaneously land costs rise.   There’s around a billion acres of farmland in  the US, about two-fifths of the total land area,   and even with existing technology we could  easily feed the entire human population with   just that space – though a lot of people couldn’t  afford to eat at that cost. Indeed that same tech   would easily allow new areas to be converted to  farmland too including flat out desert, because   even a few centimeters of rain a year is enough  for a greenhouse since water is mostly contained,   and seawater can economically be converted to  freshwater at that point too. It might seem   insane to spend 10 million bucks building  some ultra-durable acrylic greenhouse   with multi-layered vertical farms and aquaponics  and hydroponics inside designed to feed a thousand   people, but if the improvements in technology lead  to a planetary average GDP per capita of 100,000   dollars a year and you are trying to feed 50  billion of us without knocking over every forest,   suddenly that becomes economically viable.  And in truth, or my opinion anyway,   most of those aforementioned factors seem  pretty plausible in the next few centuries.   Now if the population does end up stabilizing  for a time at around 9-10 billion, how much more   controlled-environment farming we see will depend  mostly on overall improvements in material science   and automation. We can produce food to feed  hundreds of billions on this planet, but it's   way easier and cheaper to feed our current levels  on open-air farming of larger amounts of land.   As an example, the typically 6 to 10 mill  plastic used on most greenhouses is usually   only pennies per square foot and those can be  made from biofuels so you can hypothetically   greenhouse in land for about its normal rural  cost, carbon neutral and sustainable, and it   will be way more than twice as productive if you  do, and there’s a lot that could bring that down.   Similarly, the cost for tall buildings is  usually predicated on them being sturdy and safe   as residences and office space, not as mostly  for plants, robots, and a few human inspectors.   If agriculture shifts to a more  robotic and controlled environment,   because we’ve got our robots good enough to run  most basic agriculture with human oversight,   then vertical farming might be much more viable. Now there is a fundamental limit of sunlight,   only so much comes down on a given area, and while  you can intercept light destined for different   chunks of ground by building tall and putting  other bits of land in your shadow, taking their   light, it isn’t terribly likely that in most  cases that would serve any practical purpose.   So super-tall vertical farming is  really more the realm of arcologies   running on fusion power or power satellites,  see those episodes for discussion of that.   Today we’re still focused on the relatively near  term - the 21st century and maybe the 22nd - and   we’re not really contemplating off-Earth  Agricultural here either, space based or   on other planets. Here we are talking about 10-20  levels of plants stacked up, possibly a bit more   in an urban environment where you might borrow  the sunlight falling on some other building nearby   like a warehouse or storage garage where they  aren’t really interested in windows anyway,   and you can install mirrors, or just leave  the building in your vertical farm’s shadow..   Now getting that light there  offers a lot of options,   you can build to just let the light come in but  you also have options for mirrors or even for   growing plants up bundles of fiber optic cables  connecting back to wherever the light source was,   which could be kilometers away given how  good fiber optics are at carrying light.   So too, while we’re not focused on space options  today, we often discuss power satellites,   and shades and mirrors as a beneficial and maybe  even a necessary part of future civilization,   even perhaps this century, and have some of  that orbital infrastructure – handy for power   generation and climate and weather control  - devoted to beaming down light to some   rooftop lenses for distribution to a vertical  farming site, and this is definitely doable.   However, let's take a look at a current production  to see the situations and challenges as they are   now. As of currently, vertical farms of several  stacked layers run about twice the start up costs   of greenhouses, and are often running supplemental  lighting for the plants – which isn’t necessarily   costing extra as you can use that minimal  tailored-spectrum light for heat as a byproduct   and plants like heat. I mention that specifically  because people like to eat all year round   but precious little grows in the winter, and  even heated greenhouses are limited in this role   whereas multi-layered vertical farms do a lot  better at staying warm for less expenditure.   One thing going for the vertical farming market  is the total collapse in LED lighting costs. LEDs   are not only stupidly more efficient at producing  light than old incandescent or even fluorescents,   they can also be tailored to photosynthetic  spectrums. Indeed they can be tailored not   just to the frequencies plants tend to like, but  the specific frequencies a specific crop likes,   and like at that time, as how much and  what kind of light a plant wants can vary.   Seedlings need little light compared  to their future plant, for instance.   How much light of what wavelengths, and heat and  humidity, for how long each day, and for a current   time of day and current time of year or maturation  period, can all be controlled and the production   booms when you do, particularly if contrasted to  the normal sunlight hitting a chunk of ground.   Long term it won’t just be LED lights either, we  might see stuff like semi-transparent greenhouse   glass that transmitted the photosynthetic  frequencies through for the plants but reflected   non-photosynthetic light down on to solar power  collectors or thermal heat mass in the greenhouse   meant to keep it warm at night. This is  a lot of what I mean when I say we have   problems discussing vertical farming separate from  controlled environment agriculture, because the   two tend to be innately intertwined. If you’re  building a structure to be climate-controlled,   you might as well take advantage of the  multi-level tray of plants you can do in it.   Even without supplemental lighting, just by  being able to cut out the natural seasons,   and thus have some plants growing in  seedling phase, using little light,   near ones that are using more form being  more mature, adds to productivity.   Economically, fresh food that I can grow in the  winter and put in a supermarket in a city on the   same day can sell for a good premium, and the  competition is better storage or cheaper rapid   transport from further away. I want to emphasize  that though, because we are getting much better at   storing stuff in ways that prolong its freshness  and obviously we ship way faster than we used to.   And we could see some weird hybrid innovations in  that too. We’ve a long history of truck farms, but   contrary to the implication, it has nothing to do  with growing food on a truck or transporting it to   market on trucks, it's just a perversion of the  old north French word ‘troquer’ meaning barter and   exchange, in reference to small market gardens of  a handful of acres; folks would bring produce into   cities from. However we could see that term become  properly literal in a future of automated freight,   fleets of trucks holding vertically-farmed produce  could be operational, with one parking right   outside someone’s house to deliver produce that  a robot just harvested from that truck 30 minutes   after someone ordered it. It might even be carbon  neutral from using its own exhaust for travel   and supplemental lighting for the CO2,  water vapor, and heat the plants relish.   You get some weird scenarios with low-level  AI in any economy, especially a post-scarcity   or borderline post-scarcity economy as  is basically inevitable with such AI.   Contemplate a civilization where most people’s  homes were semi-off grid in terms of having   in-house water and sewage recycling and some  small automated garden that grew its regular crop,   and where animal-intelligent robo-trucks  swung by to deliver orders for less-used foods   or a sudden need for extra quantity, tanked up  off your sewage for partial payment, and meandered   off to their next delivery. Recycled shipping  containers are currently a popular option for   housing vertical farms, and I could well imagine  skipping the recycled part so that the farming was   in shipping containers and vehicles just picked  them up when ready to deliver. Possibly in a   weird parallel to crabs changing shells. Bit of a tangent into more of the scifi realm   than science for the moment, but I could imagine  civilizations having an almost human-pet relation   with such food trucks or have roaming  fleets of entire wild stray trucks,   animal intelligent and parking wherever they  could steal some sunlight and begging at doors   for food scraps and waste and repairs in exchange  for fresh herbs and greens. Like I said, you get   some very weird scenarios in a civilization  with low-level AI, especially if it's smart   enough to play at being cute and appealing to  why we like kittens, puppies, and little kids.   Anyway Vertical farming has to potentially compete  with weird new innovations like that, and is a   reminder that improvements in technology in a  different area can sink another area we expected   to do well in the future. Though that example also  raises some market for it, being able to convert   rooftops, basements, or garages into home gardens.  Automation makes that a lot more viable, from both   the overall increase to human wealth and the ease  of maintaining a garden if you’ve got robots doing   most of the grunt work. It might seem like we’re  pessimistic on vertical farming in this episode,   we’re not, and indeed that sort of home vertical  farming is something I can practically guarantee   will explode in the next couple decades.  That’s hardly a niche market either.   And neither is that rapid ability to get  fresh food from farm to fork in mere hours   and any crop at any time of the year. If you  want that, you either need climate-controlled   agriculture or amazingly good global transport  and distribution, and if you’re doing climate   controlled, then the conversion to vertical  farming isn’t much extra, indeed it's usually   necessary to make it profitable. But we  shouldn’t ignore that the aforementioned   amazingly good global transport and distribution  option is probably also going to become a reality.   Which one wins out, or if the two can  simultaneously exist, is likely to be dependent on   unpredictable factors, tiny differences in cost of  thus far undeveloped technologies could make the   difference, so could international strife making  food security a bigger concern. Heck, a lot of   human history is an ongoing conflict not between  neighboring realms but the cities in those realms   with the countryside that feeds them, and same  as things like online shopping and 3D printing   can lessen rural dependence on big factories and  retail centers, vertical farming could lessen the   feeling of food security for folks in cities from  rural areas, a historical exposed jugular artery.   If I were a cynic I suppose I’d be worried  those options might make conflicts between them   and shifts to city-states more common in  the absence of that shared interdependence…   thankfully I am not. I should note though that  while vertical farming offers the ability to   cut down on travel time and distance for goods  to urban areas, it still isn’t likely to see   truck farms – the traditional kind – adapt to  vertical versions in the middle of downtown,   just on the outskirts where land and  building costs aren’t too prohibitive.   I mentioned earlier how the cost of urban  agriculture can often be misleading because   of how much is being done with discarded  materials or abandoned buildings and land,   but it is worth noting that there is likely  to be a lot of that in any given city   and the economic viability of  any project is pretty holistic.   If I can take over an abandoned old warehouse  covered in graffiti and weeds and turn it into   a small vertical truck farm, I can probably  also get a small market and deli in there,   maybe get a grant from the city or a foundation  aimed at helping restore that neighborhood,   and then sell the whole thing down the road  when land and building prices rise nearby,   due to my improvements. Again that’s a niche  market approach but hey, there’s a lot of niche   markets in a civilization of nearly 8 billion  and rising, over half of whom live in cities.   I would tend to bet that a vertical farm,  especially one with transparent sides of a nicely   insulated acrylic or polycarbonate, would tend  to work as well as garden parks and greenspaces   at all the things those are touted for, which  is everything from actual medical health to   psychological wellbeing, lower crime, higher  property values, and more. So again any costs for   making them need to take factors like that into  account but at the same time would probably be   of diminishing value as the number of them grew. Also, we should note that major use of vertical   farming is likely to also be tied into not  just hydroponics and aeroponics, since heavy   trays of dirt come with their own problems,  but also aquaponics since it's such a good   way to handle storage of water and heat, and for  that matter creation and recycling of nutrients.   Cities need vast grids to handle their water  and sewage use, if you can narrow that down   so that the water and sewer recycling for any  given neighborhood was in the basements of a   couple local vertical farms, all within walking  distance and open to strolling through, you’d be   cutting down on the huge cost of water and sewer  infrastructure in metropolitan regions and in a   way that’s like to be positive and appealing  to many folks, and possibly profitable.   It’s also one possible way to reclaim abandoned  underground tunnels and mineshafts, and ironically   one approach to carbon sequestration  back into some of those mineshafts.   Vertical Farming and controlled environment  agriculture in general tends to be vastly superior   in water use, fertilizer use, and problems  with disease, contamination, and pesticides,   so that’s another aspect to put on the  balance scale against the sheer price   difference compared to open air farming.  They are much easier to quarantine and thus   also safer for using GMO crops which might be  invasive to an area, but highly productive.   All right, so what’s the takeaway? Will  we see vertical farming in the future?   Certainly, it already is in use, just principally  in niche and premium markets. But it's growing,   and as we grow ourselves, hoping to keep more  people while hopefully not needing to make new   farmland to feed them, I think we will see a  big rise in vertical farming, so to speak.   Somewhat surprisingly given how important  agriculture is to humanity, it tends to get   undermentioned in science fiction and only gets  surface dips rather than deep dives as a topic.   Probably one of the biggest exceptions  to this is Farmer in the Sky by Scifi   grandmaster Robert Heinlein, which looks at  a farming colony on Ganymede built to help   feed an overcrowded Earth and the journey  of a young man out to join that colony.   Farmer in the Sky is one of the roughly  dozen books Heinlein wrote for Scribner as   young adult scifi and is also counted as part  of his Future history series, so is a very good   gateway into one of Science Fiction’s most  fundamental and influential authors, and it   got a Retro Hugo Award in 2001, as the novel came  out a couple years before the Hugo Awards began.   70 years later Heinlein’s works still  resonate with audiences, young and old,   and I’m very happy to add him to our very  short list of authors who have won our SFIA   Audible Audiobook of the Month more than once. We gave him it some years back for Starship   Troopers, which was ironically rejected from the  Scribner series. We’ve been doing the Audiobook   of the Month for six years now and other  repeat winners are Isaac Asmiov, Larry Niven,   Alastair Reynolds, and Arthur C. Clarke, so he’s  in good company, and each of those authors has a   huge binge-worthy catalog of novels available  from audible. I would like to go ahead and thank   Audible too, they are our very first sponsor for  the show, going on six years, and I’ve been a   customer of theirs for almost thrice that now. 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Keywords: biology, botany, science, future, technology, hydroponics, greenhouse, aeroponics, aquaponics, food, vertical farming
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Length: 25min 34sec (1534 seconds)
Published: Thu Dec 16 2021
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