SSB Vegito Vs SSJ4 Gogeta: The STRONGEST Fusion & Multiplier (Dragon Ball Super)

vegito and gogeta the result of the fusion between dragon balls two most popular characters goku and vegeta or are goku and vegeta really the most popular dragon ball characters does it actually get any bigger than gogeta and vegito why do goosebumps and hype reach whole new levels when these two fusion characters surface in the anime manga and movies we get our fill of goku and vegeta on a constant basis the same old crap we see those saiyans all the time so when vegito and gogeta rock up there are so many good feelings that we all experience first of all it's a bloody treat and feels fresh seeing them arrive in their short appearances you know there's going to be some badass moment secondly it's intriguing when we experience their power combination of two of dragon ball strongest characters i think that's what truly fascinates us is that we can take two of our favorites and result in the best of both with a whole new selection of trick or treats to go with it and not just gogeta and vegito but we experienced this in many fusions such as gotenks what a bag of surprises he was in dragon ball z we also get to see caulifla and kale merge and gives us a heavy duty powerhouse known as kefla we also see fusion in another variety of ways such as namek infusion with piccolo nail and kami we also see majin buu go through a variety of absorptions and power mixtures super android 17 is another type of fusion that resulted in one of gt's most broken characters but what i really want to focus on here today is just gogeta and vegito the two big trump cards the metamoran fusion dance and the kai's potara fusion we'll be looking at their performances in power and just why they are so loved perhaps even more than goku and vegeta i mean big bang cam em it has spirit swords stardust breakers final kamehamehas what's not to love here this move set screams heavy artillery let me tell you right now where budokai 2 came out on the ps2 there were only two characters i couldn't wait to get my hands on super saiyan 3 goku and super vegito oh man just feeling the power of vegito on the game was insane considering budokai one only went up to the cell saga and then in budokai three just playing a super saiyan 4 gogeta was the most valuable 10 seconds of my life i wish his fusion held out a little longer but i suppose the short duration lives true to his gt reign i mean gogeta vegito are they the same person yes and no yes because obviously yes it's still the merger of both the same fusion parts but for marketing purposes each get their own name look move set i mean i always laugh thinking about what's going through their head as soon as they fuse should i call myself vegito today or maybe gogeta hmm let me check my hairstyle and see who i look like the most but essentially the same being apart from a debatable personality tilt some like to say that vegito is influenced more by vegeta and goku influences more of gogeta i mean it's debatable because we both see vegito and gogeta act brutal and both of them act arrogant at times so now we've touched on the surface of both of these monsters we're going to dive into who is the strongest fusion between them both the different versions of gogeta and vegito and how strong the fusion multipliers actually are and much more you don't want to miss this coming right after today's video sponsor this video is sponsored by skillshare skillshare is an amazing online learning community that gives you the tools to unlock your hidden potential right from home skillshare is great for your welfare including improving your focus and inspiration which i have a great passion for it offers literally thousands of step-by-step classes online for creative people who want to sharpen their skills in tons of media such as animation design storytelling music and much more the classes are taught from the basics so you can progress at the pace you feel comfortable with if you love my stories on this channel and want to power up your own writing skills for your future stories i recommend this class on skillshare storytelling 101 by daniel older where he walks you through the key principles of writing effective stories for your fans the first 1000 people to use this link will get a one month free trial of skillshare try it out after this video and go even further beyond so who is the strongest gogeta or vegito it's always a debate which is the stronger fusion fusion dance or potara a 1995 issue of weekly shonen jump compared gogeta to vegeta state in that fusion dance is able to draw out more power compared to potara and as such gogeta was stronger than his counterpart vegito and would defeat vegito in a fight that took less than 30 minutes but vegeta would win in a longer battle in the daisen shu it says the result in warrior from potara fusion is more powerful than the equivalent fusion dance result thus gogeta is weaker than vegito but nowadays a lot has been retconned potara doesn't last long some source material such as the weekly shonen jump looks at gogeta and vegito as equally good and the strongest trump cards so that's up for debate if it means power level wise or them just being the best finishing moves but you also get super dragon ball heroes where at times it makes gogeta look way more impressive especially in later episodes and it's alternated during the show but either way you want to cut the cake vegito and gogeta they're both in the same ballpark i guess it depends on when you were watching dragon ball because back in the day it was officially stated in the show and anime itself the potara was a stronger fusion amp than the dance this progressed into gt where you would have expected a theoretical super saiyan 4 vegito to have the edge on a super saiyan 4 gogeta and this would make sense using fusion dance logic where fighters are meant to be at equal levels of power before fusing potara would always be superior in that case look at it like this let's take goku and hercules fusion parts now if fusion dance were to work goku would have to lower his power all the way down to hercules level to balance the energy and then the fusion amp goes on top from those levels of power which wouldn't be much now let's be honest but if you threw the potara on both goku and hercule it would literally add their current level of powers together then do the amp resulting in a way stronger power than if goku had to reduce his power to the weaker part for the dance so fusion dance can be as strong as potara in that sense but only if the fusion parts are equal you can look at it like that because two kid trunks would be stronger than a kid trunks plus goten because kid trunks had to lower his power down i truly feel the reason why vegito is loved an incredible amount is from his performance against majin buu especially in the anime the z anime completely wanked vegito hard in terms of making him look cool and showing off his power i mean every moment vegeta was on screen was bloody amazing the spirit sword the way bass vegito punched buon right in the face and caved it in you felt this power up man and it was such a relief for us that finally someone could stand up to this powerful beast and i think a sudden end defusing inside buu after he ate him made us fans even more hungrier pun intended in seeing him again we loved this short-lived appearance i was a little sad to hear fusion may not have been enough to defeat beerus during dragon ball super but i was still super excited in eventually seeing vegito again i always knew he would come back and when the build-up happened in the future trunks when zamasu and goku black became merged zamasu i knew this was leading to vegito and i truly believed vegeta was going to be the big win if not the big win something that led to something like trunks getting the final hit in to save the ark and his future and as awesome as the animation looked when vegito blue is in action i was incredibly disappointed and underwhelmed by the performance overall in the arc and how it turned out he just didn't feel as powerful or as dominant as he used to feel against buu wasn't goku plus vegeta already a stronger team than zamasu plus goku black the fusion part separately didn't vegeta train and started whipping goku black yet the fight was too close for what i expected vegito should be to the point the fusion just breaks apart and it was over before it could even truly begin i really was waiting for vegeta to be in dragon ball super and what i got just didn't seem enough at least in z his plan was to get absorbed and after he defused goku and vegeta continued to rescue their family but in super it felt like vegito and we as fans were cheated out of something spectacular like the mission of ass kick and was interrupted so the ridiculously clustered and disappointing future trunks arc could throw in something else to add a spin on and already destroyed storyline which started out so great by the way literally vegito or at a push trunks spirit sword were the only justifiable saving grace is to end the future trunks arc to a level that i could digest and move on but no the writers kept throwing more and more ridiculous in until we got that disrespectful cheap zeno button in erasure and trunks goes to another future timeline everything is gone anyway everyone loses it was this point in super that i started to switch off the future trunks arc ruined super for me vegito's reputation was incredibly damaged from this treatment and the way the ark went ugh i get so frustrated thinking about it poorly executed to the point when the tournament of power came along i wanted to see gogeta more than vegito just so i didn't have to remind myself of the future trunks arc we do get a different portrayal of vegito in the dragon ball super manga vegerot as he's often referred to as terrible name by the way and yes he does feel like a steamroller of power cabinet zamasu in that and his power is questioned to be at beerus's level which is impressive as i mentioned even if beerus's power is constantly a moving goal post the manga portrayal is still short-lived however i just wanted to get that off my chest about vegito blue and dragon ball super so much hype and potential wasted now let's talk about gogeta particularly super saiyan gogeta in the fusion reborn movie i believe this is why gogeta is remembered the most especially in terms of classic fans what a badass appearance and performance no messing around you can't go wrong it's how you imagine fusion should be fuse fight kill job done or in this case a raise super saiyan gogeta got it done and for a long time that super saiyan gogeta was the only goku vegeta fusion that got the damn job done because vegito defused super saiyan for gogeta defused and i feel like this is why janemba movie goji is well respected and looks badass as a figure his design as just a basic super saiyan with the halo looks so impressive and the finishing move status breaker adds in a tremendous amount of uniqueness to that character and this leads to gogeta in the broly movie in modern dragon ball times this is how super saiyan blue is done right this is how super saiyan blue should be portrayed it made a hell of a difference in this battle man you talk about your goat jeter 3 16 gogeta blue just stomped a mud hole in you and walked you dry what an absolutely top-notch performance for a fusion character as well the fight with broly and gogeta was intense and i loved how broly was adapting to gogeta up until gogeta went blue and truly widened the gap and showcased a monstrous godly power that made broly feel like an insect still a tough sob for standing on his feet after a stardust breaker but more importantly gogeta went in guns blazing he knew the games had to stop and went for the kill yes kill i loved how serious this portrayal was in this movie a spectacle of a fight and it made me respect super saiyan blue more still would have been hella cool to see super saiyan god on gogeta now let's talk about super saiyan 4 gogeta the character who had been the king of the dragon ball mountain for decades until dragon ball super arrived where endless gt this super debates happened but with all that scale and gibberish aside you've got to respect this monkey even to this day he made his grand return in the latest video games fighters legends to the point super saiyan 4 gogeta is even promoted as the flagship face of dragon ball gaming you've got goku for everything dragon ball in general but when it comes to dragon ball gaming i see super saiyan 4 gogeta's face man you see him on the front of news and headlines and banners it's insane and let's not forget the super dragon ball heroes promotional anime where fusion is a huge deal in that we get to see the crazy brawl between all our favorite fusion characters it's absolutely phenomenal how well monkey and gods can be in the same realm of power together when it comes to super saiyan 4 gogeta in gt i see a lot of misunderstanding about how he goofed around and he's to blame for losing his fusion time against omega shenron and yes the party kamehameha is the ultimate troll move i don't think i've ever seen such an insult and technique with how the move is delivered it's one of my favorite moves but you have to remember this if you watch the fight you will notice that gogeta's plan all along was to cleanse the negative energy around the earth baked in omega into using his strongest attack which he then converted that minus ball's power into positive energy then immediately after that was done gogeta went for the big bang kamehameha he went to finish it followed up straight away with a second one where plot made sure omega survived so they could do the spirit bomb finale yes he played around in the beginning for like five minutes but super saiyan 4 gogeta tried to end it all by the 10 minute mark so you can't really blame gogeta as he was working with a goddamn 30 minute time limit in mind he wanted it all done and wrapped up by the 10 minute mark it was just one of those bad luck things plot due to the power overload from super saiyan 4 and goku's weakening body we have to remember it was stated in the guidebooks and in the show that gogeta could win with one finger if you wanted to so yes plot override statistical potential there as it does in a lot of cases but nevertheless super saiyan 4 gogeta is one of if not the most favorite fusion of goku and vegeta to many even to this day and a short-lived appearance in half an episode is one of the most memorable and iconic moments in dragon ball history half an episode and he didn't get the job done yet he's loved insanely how does that even work super dragon ball heroes always gives me this vibe that they want to make equal counterparts of a lot of concepts for example gogeta and vegito blue and super saiyan 4 ultra instinct and limit breaker just like they are doing for the fighters game where super saiyan 4 kojita takes on super saiyan blue gogeta it's great for marketing and it brings in a lot of friendly competitiveness between fans and their favorites balance in the play field i say friendly but you know how the community can act in times of defending their favorite characters against another series but to this very day this is why i prefer gogeta over vegito due to their reputations and performances i just always associate the name gogeta with bigger more fun memorable moments it seems like the main event name oh wait i forgot about skinny and fat gogeta yeah these are the strongest versions of gogeta by far and still more impressive than vegito blue however tiensha is still the most powerful fusion in history super saiyan 4 gogeta is still today one of the biggest mysteries in dragon ball writing as dragon ball gt had the potential to carry on past its mere 64 episodes if the circumstances were right one of the most interesting topics i have for you today is what if super saiyan 4 gogeta was meant to be the start of much more to come in terms of primal saiyan transformations and that is he being the true super saiyan 4 successor maybe even the true super saiyan 5. although over speculation may indeed be a strong aspect of this video it's still a very very interesting speculation nonetheless firstly let's acknowledge the original fan art of super saiyan 5 which appeared in the 90s and from sources which originally tell me it came from a fan in spain very cool design and unique looking compared to the previous super saiyan forms the formers made appearances in fan mangas years down the line and the form had become recognized as the true fan favorite unofficial super saiyan 5 form more so around the time dragon ball z budokai 3 came out super saiyan 5 goget all the color schemes was an alternate outfit for super saiyan 4 kojita which is interesting so fans can see why the combination of this and the original fan art started a wonder but those are the more external speculations to the super saiyan 5 for if we dive into the actual show of gt whether it be canon or not you decide there is an official dialogue conversation leading up to the appearance of super saiyan 4 gogeta and that's when vegeta was having a discussion with bulma on how he could become a super saiyan 4 bulmer tells vegeta that he can even achieve super saiyan 5 with her new method of achieving super saiyan 4 and vegeta responds with are you serious now when gogeta arrives in gt we are graced with a brown third red-haired warrior with a star sparkling golden aura appearing different much different from the super saiyan 4 goku and vegeta although goku and vegeta had different red shades of fur their hair was still their unique color to their base form but gogeta's red now that is interesting there have been speculations lately that gogeta was actually a super saiyan god because goku and vegeta's combined power was able to control the god power in a primal form but we know gt was way before super and super saiyan god was probably not even thought of back then but if i had to guess realistically i would place a bet on that gogeta's red hair was definitely a marketing idea to separate him from goku and vegeta and using the color red to make gojita feel more powerful remember the original design of super saiyan 4 was chosen to be red fair rather than the golden yellow to showcase a stronger being red seeming more powerful but nevertheless if we dive into gt as a story with thoughts and possibilities and with the mention of super saiyan 5 beforehand with vegeta bulma then gogeta definitely has the potential in our own head cannon to be the next level beyond a regular super saiyan 4. we had already seen super saiyan 4 and the two powered up variants of it which were super saiyan 4 full power and ultra full power scene 4 used by goku but none of those variants changed the look of goku making it possible that super saiyan 4 was the final form in terms of visual changes with only changes to its power happening in the future but gogeta with the red hair a different shade of fur made it very possible that the significant visual change could be a super saiyan 4 transforming into a higher form in the transformation tree let's think why this is possible first of all go tanks now alone gotenna trunks could arguably never achieve super saiyan 2 on their own it can be debated but i strongly believe they could only achieve super saiyan 1 on their own either way that is still ranks below a super saiyan 3 which they could achieve combined so it's obvious that a fusion and i'm using the fusion dance gear for example allows the users to achieve an even higher super saiyan transformation than what they were capable of doing alone so what does that mean for gogeta and gt well if goku and vegeta had become solid super saiyan 4s alone then the combination and fused being of two fighters with that potential surely has the ability to become something far greater in their fuse state and i'm talking about the red hair brown fur that being a second transformation on the new primal transformation tree and if that was the case of super saiyan 4 being the start of a new tree of transformations then having the number four in it seems strange from a design point of view but we can thank old kai for labeling it that right truthfully from a story point of view super saiyan 4 may not actually be super saiyan 4 it may actually be more suitable to call it primal form or true saiyan or whichever is desired but gogeta was visually different from a super saiyan 4 and i believe if there was such a thing as super saiyan 5 or the next level of super saiyan 4 then gogeta was indeed that level hence is extraordinary power and maybe it was by pure accident in the story and goku and vegeta never knew what they were as gojita maybe for it to be explored in potential new episodes of gt if that ever happened back then super saiyan 4 had so much potential to be explored further because it was different from the regular golden forms and just having that one form seemed like the biggest tease that left us in the dark with nothing else except for the mystery of gogeta and what he looked like with the red hair of course he was always marketed as super saiyan 4 gochita so the answer is obvious in terms of official names but from a fan perspective and what we know about fusion and super saiyan advancements when fused then maybe it's time we start acknowledging that gogeta and dragon ball could have indeed been a super saiyan 4 2. either way i still think the red-haired look on kojita was the super saiyan version of a super saiyan 4 that makes sense albeit if super saiyan 4 was the new base form but true super saiyan 5 could still be acceptable if we eliminate the fan made designs the strongest fusion character in dragon ball history or is he super saiyan 4 gogeta let's get straight to business fusion multiplier law is so inconsistent and we need to stick with one so i'll do my best in explaining what fusion multiplier i chose for this because we are all going to be different guys so let's break down some of the source material and stick to our guns here firstly a times b from the super exciting guide no other material supports this and it's broken it's not a set fusion amp the fusion multiplier itself widens the stronger the fighters are so i'm not using this one next we have the gt perfect file stating gogeta super saiyan 4 is dozens stronger than a regular super saiyan form i spoke to herms98 who translated it and it literally does translate to several 10 stronger than an individual super saiyan 4 when reading across from the page with super saiyan 4 goku and vegeta there several times stronger is also backed up in the dragon ball z son goku densetsu where it used a similar dozen stronger when referring to gotenks i would like to use what vado said in dragon ball super for the potara the sum of the parts then multiply tens of times tens of times still share some relevance to dozens and the gt pivot files several ten stronger but again this is potara and it's a modern dragon ball statement that vado speaks back then in the 90s potara was stated to clearly be stronger than fusion dance both in the show and the daisenchu base vegito could take on buhan but super saiyan 3 goku couldn't so potara is at least a 400 times am just by going with that mindset and that is far more than dozens or several tens that's been referred to for fusion dance potara fusion is hundreds if not thousands above goku vegeta's base power alone gogeta in the broly movie states the two powers aren't just added together they're significantly magnified as well and that's for the fusion dance the truth about this guys is there is no truth it's all inconsistent this is a never-ending debate you literally go around in circles and you basically just have to choose one explain it and be reasonable with what tens or dozens mean some love to go high balls and low balls but i feel a mid ground is the best here because it's rare we get to see full power effusion anyway so i'm not going with a times b like i said that's inconsistent in itself so for fusion i tend to go with a plus b some of the parts and then multiply that by a hundred that way it's not hundreds it sits reasonably as tens and can be classified as that but also low balls and rounds down the dozens term two as you know a gross is 144 and gross is used after dozen twelve dozens is a gross so bringing a gross down a few dozens and a little bit more to round it to 100 is not an unreasonable multiplier either but what do i mean by a plus b well a plus b base form is then times 100 in vegeta's case that would never match buhan that would literally result in a power equal to super saiyan 2 goku or super saiyan 2 vegeta alone and we know bass vegeta was far above that level so a plus b i refer to as the strongest parts of both warriors add their best power then times 100. so for vegito and z it's super saiyan 3 goku plus super saiyan 2 vegeta then times 100 equals base vegeta's power so essentially bass vegito is over 100 super saiyan 3 goku's you can't really knock that i mean boo tanks was wasting super saiyan 3 goku and then went a tier above again after absorbing gohan base vegito is far above super saiyan 3 goku base go tanks can be considered a hundred super saiyan trunks and super saiyan goten's punching you in the face at the same time bass kefla is super saiyan 2 cauliflower plus controlled berserk kale then times 100 you get the idea i hope i sound reasonable here i try and explain this as best as i can considering the ridiculous vague statements of fusion and all the contradictions so bass gogeta is basically super saiyan for goku plus super saiyan for vegeta times a hundred and that's how to keep it simple but you apply whatever multiplier you want to these two and let me know what you think it should be but i'll go with this plot has omega shenron survive the big bang kamehameha where he loses all of the dragon balls if super saiyan 4 gogeta was stated to be able to defeat omega with one finger there's no reason statistically and through scaling why omega could survive a big bangkam and even just a normal keyblast except for plot allowing him to yes yes plot and story typically interfere with what fighters can do in dragon ball so we have to know when to separate feats and potential from storytelling eat your heart out cauliflower wonder if your super saiyan 2 form is 50 sep 10 decilion times stronger than super saiyan 3 goku vs kid you're a prodigy after all right why is it when they both separate after becoming one why do they not retain any information on how the other fighter works and what knowledge they have in relation to their skills and combat abilities why doesn't vegeta know instant transmission super saiyan 3 kaioken and why doesn't goku know about vegeta's dark dark secrets with bulmer in the bedroom theoretically speaking we could say if two people joined together in dragon ball they become so close that it's impossible not to know each other inside and out kind of like piccolo kami and nail piccolo retains all the information and knowledge from kami and nail once merging also it's implied especially with the new light grenade technique it showed us that piccolo developed new abilities but it could very well be the fusion of kami and piccolo created a whole new person with new moves and a combined knowledge though it's not just piccolo junior on his own anymore but i'm not so sure about that one i always felt piccolo was the main vessel and kami and neo were just chilling inside with some mojitos so why is it not the same for fusion dance or potara fusion for goku and vegeta or maybe it is but each fighter has a code of honor and pride not to utilize the others moves we see vegito and gogeta use combination moves of the two fusees so why is it if he is not they and they are not him why doesn't it work the other way after defusing so let's look at a statement in dragon ball super in the manga vegeta admits that goku is the one to be healed whilst fighting zamasu because whilst fused he realized the truth about goku's power now that says a lot the fighters individually sense each other to some extent but by how much is not known but it's clear after defusing vegeta has a lot of feeling and confidence in how strong kakarot is so perhaps he does indeed feel power but perhaps individual skills are a little bit more specific and technical and they are not remembered however goku soon manages to master the super saiyan blue so could that be a type of key technique how did vegeta know goku would do something like that with his key or perhaps that dormant power was always deep within goku and vegeta could sense it after joining with him either way one big reason why i feel that while they don't know each other's move sets and knowledge is because of marketing and story balance think about it if both defuse and have the same knowledge and skill sets they don't really have any unique elements of themselves anymore by keeping them separated in terms of skills and knowledge creates a much better atmosphere like i said it just could be a story element that they choose not to use it out of pride but then we have super saiyan 3 because when it comes to the kid buu fight goku and vegeta had already fused before this so if vegeta were to retain the knowledge and skills associated with knowing how to go super saiyan 3 i believe he damn well would have done so if he had the potential to because he's done it in the past he wanted super saiyan then he wanted the next level of that which gohan had so it would be no different to super saiyan 3 he would use it if he could but could he do it could his body handle it if he had knowledge of it from joining with goku personally i feel he could have given it a shot if they do learn each other from the core he should know super saiyan 3 if they do retain skills and if he did attempt to do it especially if goku and vegeta were equal in super saiyan 2 it should have happened but then there's a whole reason vegeta doesn't share the knowledge on how to become super saiyan 3 from joining with goku which is kind of backwards considering in super he did learn that goku had what it took to defeat zamasu and probably as well away of goku's ability to master the super saiyan blue so why not the same of sense in super saiyan 3 within with the amount of fan theories of super saiyan 3 vegito out there you would have definitely thought that vegeta would have shared that feeling and knowledge of the super saiyan 3 power within or heck maybe he did get the feeling of super saiyan 3 but he realized its weakness but i truly feel if he did learn it after fusing with goku i believe vegeta knew his body wasn't ready to test it for the first time against kid buu it would have been cashing all his chips in for one attack and a dangerous move now some mentioned goat tanks and the goten and trunks can't go super saiyan 3 or use galactic donuts or the kamikaze attacks but this is more of a power matter super saiyan 3 was associated with a level of power and goten and trunks individually definitely didn't have that capability but the donuts and other attacks if they do retain information i don't see why they couldn't do it maybe they just don't retain skills and information but it could really be that they truly do live up to neither goku nor vegeta that line a whole new person dragon ball treats fusion as an entirely new product a new person a new being nothing is stated that specific information is ever shared between the fusion parts yes vegeta felt goku had what it took to beat zamasu so maybe that's just a feeling of power being that close to goku not a specific skill and even if vegeta knew the kamehameha he would never use it in battle because his mind is already conditioned to use his techniques and use them more effectively it would be like a right-handed fight to learn it to fight left-handed just because he had a really good session of left-handed training vegeta visualizes his techniques better and with more experience than the same for goku perhaps when goku vegeta fused their memories of the fusion is like a dream and they have this feeling of what it was like but because there was a whole new fighter they just share a portion of a memory of what it felt like not actual detail like a vivid dream and both of them aren't in full control over what the new fighter does because of the mystical properties of fusion so they kind of have to give in to what the fused warrior wants to do as it's a combination of both of them creating something new with magic which is why goku senses fusion wouldn't be enough to stop beerus it's probably based on just feelings they aren't two individuals working together in fusion it's a new person entirely in replace of them in the form of vegeta and gogeta so this is the reason why goku and vegeta don't know each other's techniques and thoughts only the feelings and that's because the fuse warrior is a new being altogether and you can think of goku and vegeta are inside pods like inside boo's body just laying there unconscious while the fusion beast does all the work with its new personality and traits they don't know each other's moves and they don't know each other's past or knowledge that's what i believe but they do share the feeling of how strong the fusion was and how strong the person he actually was with dragon ball for years has always been about key and sense in it so it's quite simple goku and vegeta are professional key users and can probably sense ki even when they sleep but just like the fusion it was probably just one big dream plus it would break god damn dragon ball if they retain knowing everything about each other i just feel it's different from the mecca infusion don't ask me why maybe it's because piccolo is still the main body that possesses the power and knowledge of the others who join him hence all the voices he hears inside gogeta doesn't get goku and vegeta arguing inside fusion is basically magic and sometimes magic doesn't need to be explained with science still would be pretty insane if goku vegeta did know each other's techniques tell me below if you thought that to be true and what would you see happening in the dragon ball story if they did retain each other's moves and knowledge what are the possibilities how would that change things in dragon ball let me know below the vegito jawbreaker is potentially one of the most dangerous characters in dragon ball z history in fact it may actually be the most dangerous most powerful and most overlooked levels of power out of all the characters including vegito himself in his humanoid form the reason why this is true is because vegito specifically states his power strength speed have all been retained whilst in the jawbreaker form just his technique was a little off with no limbs he could smash buhan to the rocks with ease punch him so badly that his tentacles would fall off his power in hard candy form was so damn intimidating and superior that buhan even reverted him back to his original form why would he do this because it's obvious jawbreaker vegito was a bigger threat than his humanoid form if he was weaker and at a disadvantage buhan would have kept him that way through tactics alone so if we line super saiyan vegito up against his candy form candy form is coming out on top due to retaining everything about super saiyan vegito plus with the addition of being extra hard to hit ultra instinct can be confirmed so now let's talk about why vegeta was able to retain all that power in the candy form there are a few theories vegito is stronger than buhan thus stronger than buu's magic and has the potential to overpower the magic hold on himself to some degree but if he was stronger in that sense why couldn't his body stop the candy transformation in general so let's go to the daisenshu it tells us that vegito has certain special characteristics including that his strength doesn't change even if his shape does now that is a very specific ability right of course it's referring to the candy form and link in this information to what we see in the anime but if we take that information we can apply it to make sense sure buhan's beam would hit and connect with vegito starting the candy transformation but due to what the daisenchu says and vegito's ability even though he ended candy form he's still the same vegito why can vegito do this and not anyone else can is it power alone i don't think it's power alone because like i said he should be able to nullify the chocolate beam in general so i feel this has nothing to do with the power alone so i feel this has something to do with a potara the potara is a magical mystical based item with magical properties of fusion and power amplifications everything about the potara is magic based buu's power is mostly magic based especially the candy bean it would be a solid assumption to say the power of a potara has a stronger magical essence than the candy bean thus overrides what the candy bean is trying to do to the wearer of the potara like some barrier to protect the fighters abilities so imagine someone was trying to turn vegito into a rat and we'd have a master splint a spirit sword coming right up because the daisenchu says no matter if his shape changes so it's implying he can change shape through magical stuff attacking him but the power just remains the same but what makes candy vegito even more deadly is the time limit on fusion appears to be nullified think about it what if vegeta didn't get restored to his human form what if candy vegito ran out of fusion time would he split into two jawbreakers or being in the candy form has kept vegito in that form forever like he's stuck in that jawbreaker form no matter what so imagine that imagine jawbreaker vegito has infinite fusion time that means he no longer has to rely on basic humanoid functions such as needing a toilet or eating or needing a shower he's a goddamn jawbreaker with a full power of vegito intact with infinite fusion time so as long as he doesn't go out of date like other food types we've got the strongest character in dragon ball z right here so talking about out of date let's dive into the nutritional facts of candy vegito so being a chocolate flavored jawbreaker vegito consists of two main nutrients that being carbohydrates and fat the calories of a chocolate jawbreaker of this density in nature is approximately 149 calories with 32 grams of carbohydrates 2.5 grams of fat due to the chocolate you won't find any of the vitamins or proteins in this but there is a rumor that vegito is a coffee flavored chocolate jawbreaker candy so that means he could have a small dose of caffeine in it which wouldn't make much difference upon consumption you would have to consume at least 10 times the jawbreaker power to be able to get a sufficient hit so i think if boo consumed 10 candy vegitos he would be able to take on jiren with relative ease but would have to get the fight over in the first 10 minutes due to the fast absorbing carbohydrates you wouldn't expect buhan to be able to absorb vegito if he was expected to run a few laps of snakeway so i hope you enjoyed this video on the strongest character in dragon ball z jawbreaker vegito one of the classic joke fusion transformations i've ever seen was i believe in dragon ball z budokai 2 on the playstation 2. goku fuse in with mr satan or hercule creating gokul or gotan which is the japanese name but we will be using goku for this at that time this fusion character was seen as a joke but today you will find out the goku is not the joke he was intended to be and not the joke that goku believed the outcome would be a fusion with mr satan in actual story terms gokul would have had what it took to slap super boo into another dimension and this is going to be based fully on if vegeta never arrived on the battlefield and it was left for goku to make that decision to fuse with hercule he was a second away from fusing with him until he sends vegeta we are going to continue with that story of events let us begin for years the daisenchuk guides give the fusion multiplier as a times b but that in itself is a broken multiplier because there is no linear increase but the stronger each part is then the gap increases even more from the original fusion parts which is not consistent to a set fusion multiply hence why it's broken however the fusion multiplier we will use for guides here today is with the two statements in the dragon ball super anime movie the first is vados stating kefla is the sum of both fusion parts which is then tens of times stronger secondly gogeta in the broly movie states it's not just the addition of the parts but they are both magnified as well so in a way vadas and gogeta statements are both identical in the way they're explaining the power increase in fusion now where does that come in with goku fusion with hercule the fact that he is fusing with goku not only adds his tiny power to goku's but then according to the statement that power is then magnified because of the fusion perks so we can say mr satan's additional power makes no difference to goku's but when they are added it's almost like we are dealing with just goku's power in the end anyway but then we have to follow the fusion rules and magnify goku's level of power and magnifying his power tens of times so where do we place goku vs buhan if goku's power is magnified tens of times in his base it's hard to say but we know he is going to stand a much better chance now when we hear tens of times man i've heard numbers ranging from 60 up to 190 because anything more than that would be classed as hundreds and we have the right to theorize that because we are never told an exact number but for theoretical purposes let's say for an average it's close to 100 times now straight away we know 100 times is the same as when a base form goes super saiyan 2. so in our minds we can already picture how strong goku would be roughly in his base form against buhan and that he would be performing the same as a theoretical super saiyan 2 goku against buhan which let's be honest that isn't exactly a threat we saw how buhan manhandled both goku and vegeta at the same time before they fused but the difference now is that is the base form if we assume gokul has the ability to transform into a super saiyan heck two or three why not many theorized vegito could hit super saiyan 3 and we know vegeta isn't the reason for that it's goku so gokul with goku in it super saiyan 3 so that's a 400 times multiplier on top of a level of power match in super saiyan 2 goku that's how we look at this imagine super saiyan 2 goku vs buhan then super saiyan 2 goku didn't get a four times increase to go super saiyan 3 no no but 400 times from the super saiyan 2. that may just be the deciding factor and enough power to beat buhari depending on where we all scale buhan do you think buhan is over 400 times stronger than super saiyan 2 goku or could we say to make it easier power 100 times stronger than super saiyan 3 goku is that enough to beat buhan or would it be close was base vegito 100 times stronger than super saiyan 3 goku and was based vegito enough to beat buhan this is how we can kind of gauge things roughly and remember this is based on the fusion multiplier being times 100 using the tens of time statement through an average the reality is this could be a very close fight the fusion multiplier could be even higher but the fight could be closer than we ever thought and it could be something like super saiyan 3 goku vs kid buu where there are debates on if goku played his cards right he could have won still win or lose at this rate for gokul this is still a better result than many thought he would perform at and this is based on how the fusion works now with the statements the thought that goku would get weaker fusion with mr satan was definitely a joke the fusion doesn't create a fighter which is in the middle point between their power but one factor i want us to consider now is that goku is half saiyan and half human just think what that means in terms of his potential both with combat and how fast power surges can happen we see it in hybris all the time look at gohan and super i said it a million times in the past a night eating marshmallows by the fire camping with piccolo and gohan goes from zero to hero look at trunks a strong super saiyan 2 has a tantrum and he's then smashing super saiyan rose all i'm saying is gokul is a god damn half breed and that is something to consider when he has the fusion time fighting one hour fighting in dragon ball as a long time and that's where goku went from super to ultra so i don't want to hear gokul cannot get growth surges in 40 minutes it does have goku included in the fusion after all and that gives him the plot armor feat furthermore it has mr satan the guy with a pretty good death record but what about his moves theoretically we are dealing with goku's moveset with a twist of mr satan's crazy karate chops i just want to say just because here cool is not as strong as the others don't count out his martial arts fighting experience when goku and hercule are combined that is one dangerous veteran when it comes to the martial arts techniques and close quarters combat and that can help especially with the power to back it up so now i want us to think about the story of events let's say gokul had what it took and could win just barely against buhari not a stomp not unless goku is really broke and can use a kaioken on top of super saiyan 3 to finish buhan quick but then i think the fusion would just split in half because of the power overload however story wise goku wins the fusion weighs off vegeta remains dead everyone lives happily ever after with the dragon balls right well there are a few roadblocks one b and the others inside buu would goku want to try and save them first it could be very tough if they split inside buu but i don't think hercule is the one to break the earring like vegeta would so fusion would probably happen again if needed or heck they free gohan and the others inside and then goku quickly puts the earring on an unconscious gohan and then we have gokan inside creating a storm of events inside buddha in the day so what do you guys think could gokul beat buhan is fusion strong enough for even gokul to beat buhan what story of events would unfold how powerful do you think gokul gotan is what moves would he have and being half saiyan half human is that an advantage now leave your story of events below and what you thought about this video i personally think he would be buhan based on the power of fusion and because gokul has that god damn mustache

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Published: Tue Jan 18 2022