Ustadh Abdulrahman's Life Story (Part 1) The Hot Seat Podcast [Ep 7]

bismillah he was salatu was-salam ala rasulillah he sallallahu alayhi wasallam I'm about the Salam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu brothers and sisters it gives me great pleasure to welcome you and to introduce you to a brand new show and a brand new podcast called the hot seat to understand a little bit more about the hot seat we first have to understand the context of the modern-day world we find ourselves living in in the year 2019 it is a world in which perhaps perhaps there are more doubts misconceptions and misinterpretations that are thrown around about the religion of Islam than in any other period of time in the history of mankind the Internet is a number one source used by people globally to acquire information any topic and it is riddled and full of false notions and erroneous ideologies about the deen of allah azza wajal our kids ourselves are being exposed to this kind of information on a daily and if not daily that the very least weekly basis and whether we know it or not whether we choose to accept it or not it is have an effect on ourselves our hearts our minds and ultimately our understanding of this beautiful religion to further complicate the problem many of us find ourselves living in Western societies where the government's and the social norms and pressures are constantly trying to redefine what is good and what is bad what is accepted and what is rejected what Islam is and is allowed to be a what Islam is never allowed to be all of this my brothers and sisters ultimately leads to confusion at least the ignorance and if Allah permits it can lead to miss guidance the hotseat has therefore been designed with the permission of allah alone to counter these kind of modern-day contemporary issues head-on by using the knowledge and the guidance of the Muslims of the past the early generations of Muslims the best of generations there's not a single Muslim on the face of the planet today that would doubt the fact that our last panel wa'ta'ala completed our religion for us over 1400 years ago and that completed holistic perfect religion is just as applicable now in the year 2019 as it was back then we really do have classical solutions for contemporary problems however this isn't your normal average Islamic lecture series first of all it's not a lecture it's a discussion between two parties often opposing parties in an attempt to reach the truth bit needle and secondly and perhaps more importantly it's a unique one of its kind interactive podcast where you from the comfort of your own home have the opportunity to vote for and to choose the topic we'll be discussing on the show you also have the chance to ask your own questions on these contemporary issues and to grill the speaker if you feel like he hasn't been grilled enough on the show itself I'll be releasing details of how you can do both of those things at the end of this episode but for now without any further ado let's get into this episode of the hot seat we follow another loop injuried Khiladi a microphone you'll not be him he can see him whoa he calls Salam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatu welcome to another episode of the hotseat podcast once again instead of doc Manhattan holla wa'ta'ala has very kindly donated his very busy schedule to us to film another episode a very special episode today we'll start assalamu alaykum first and foremost how are you - Sarah Muhammad Allah al hamdulillah so this is really going to be your average normal hots the episode where we have a kind of back and forth discussion it's going to be more of an interview style where we're going to be trying to derive some benefits from your life and in particular your journey to seeking knowledge now this is something that a lot of people have been very interested in and one of the reasons for that is because you've never ever spoken about this before on a public platform and that's really where my first question begins what is the reason why you haven't spoken about this before hamdulillah or balajl I mean la jolla hamdullah hassan with an ax or Jamil eyeshadow la la la la jolla Cheri Keller the cool rocker always disagreed what I'd wanna say then I wanna be ni muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa ala ali he was happy he was terrible a nanomedicine in in al-madinah and my bad when it comes to speaking about biographies taraji master scholars kulit I've always loved to speak about the Bible with people of knowledge even people who their knowledge has been testified and who are known for higher known for the implementation of their knowledge known for their righteousness I've always loved to speak about that you know we're living in a time where people love for people to know about their biographies their lives like they really mattered and that's not the case when it comes to me I mean my my shy my teachers I've seen them you know being annoyed by being referred to as a shade let alone any other title like that one day I was with my Sheikh Mohammed and we were sitting somewhere and there was a youtube video that I put on for him and he looked at it and it was another person who was talking about his biography and he gave me that look like what is this and I'm not gonna lie to you that stuck with me for so long he is a man of great knowledge while I sit on his chair Hamed has explained Buhari he did a video editor MIDI he's didn't answer he has done all the arty the series that you can Suleiman also hit her with her head cashew shabu hard he has done a double move fraud he's even done a terrible heap the Sahara version of Chef albani of almondy nahi Mahalo I'm talking about audios and things that if you bring together thousands he's a laugh at a lot he's done a lot more solid till MIDI but he talks about after he finished reading son intended for students he sat down and he done a hotma for it the cutting basically means you speak about the book the different publications the narrator's of the chain and a bit about the terminologies of the author you see he's a man of understanding and when you read it when you read his heart was when I tell me that you see he's not a hot most of a double-hull front of an imam abu honey maha dealing with all of that knowledge he's saying what is this and then I asked him I said sure is sometimes necessary for a person to talk about their life just wanted to see what his view would be I mean you know he was no no no no no no and so that's why I think it's not really valuable not important yeah for people to speak about their biographies in their lives especially if you're a student of knowledge or your early stages you're seeking knowledge you're trying to learn the Deen of Allah you shouldn't think your life matters to other people let alone yourself now yeah I think yeah so I agree with much of what you say to be honest with you there is a some benefits that I see personally and I think it's worth mentioning because someone might see your speech just now and think what you're saying that thing but you're actually going ahead and doing it and I think even though I know you didn't want me to mention this I think out of justice is worth me mentioned we've had constant back and forth on this for the past two weeks I think every time we've seen each other we spoken you tried to convince me not to do this and I'm for lack of a better term I'm almost forcing your hand into doing this and the reason why I'm doing that personally it's not just for me entertainment it's because of a couple of reasons first of all when we do hear the biographies and not necessarily an in-depth biography but just a general overview of a journey to seek your knowledge there's no doubt that is a motivational aspect that comes to the viewer and the listener but secondly and perhaps more importantly is we mentioned on the first episode of the hot seat podcast though we have to be careful when we take our knowledge from and it's not fair of us to assume that everybody knows who you are who you've studied under so it's important for me to say okay on one hand you have to be careful who you take your knowledge from it's not really fair on my part to say okay I'm not going to tell you any of anything about what of the man who has been our main guest on the show so from my perspective that's really the reason why I wanted to do this and I know your thoughts on it and I know you thoughts very well and I know the approach that you're going to take as well when we go into this you're really not going to be talking about yourself much you're gonna be talking about your teachers like you mentioned before but let me just let me just say something you said and I think it's you know the idea of you saying yeah if people want to know who they take their knowledge from well I say this analyze my shirt and I mean it when I say this I am not really like first and concerned about people whether they take knowledge from me I'm happy if somebody says I don't take knowledge from you because and I don't think I should personally just so they can take knowledge from me I have to give them my life and my biography because I don't I'm happy when somebody says I'm not convinced with your knowledge and your understanding well I he it's your yo you're truly entitled and no one has to listen to me I am NOT the hack and the hack is not connected to me there are many many many many hundreds of people out there who are more knowledgeable than I were more beneficial than I who are more sincere and genuine than I so again that's what's made me never want to talk about my life again that's fine but from the perspective of a listener who's maybe listened to other speakers in the past you might come across someone who really resonates with you they've seen the hotseat podcast they actually like a lot of what you say it makes sense to them they like your style they like your teaching style they actually want to learn from you but they don't why because they're where either I don't really know who he is I don't know what is it's not about you wanting them to learn from you touching them wanting to learn from you and that's one of the reasons why why we're gonna do this I'm gonna agree just ask me the questions of sha-la-la-la okay so I want to start right at the beginning as many students who have this kind of mentality defeatist mentality that I'm born in the West I'm not born in the Arab country I'm not born in Muslim country seeking knowledge is just not for me did that ever kind of crossed your mind when you were younger no you see again I really want to not take credit because I was in oh I never grew up wanting to seek knowledge and become a believer in him and memorized the Quran and become something I went to nursery I went to reception I went to primary school just like any other kid in the UK I was raised in North London okay [Music] my primary school was called hiring a primary school hiring a primary school is located in Tampa clean so you didn't go to New York she went to a secular school originally the second school yeah she's just a normal kid going to a secular school yeah yeah normal school we actually lived right in front of the school so my parents used to in the house they would endure from the window they would look over to the school the schools you were nursery and then you were in primary nursery reception and then you go to primary primary was broken into - it was an infant and then junior okay so one two and three was the infant and there was a fence between the four five and six with the junior so I remember when I was in year three and my brother was in year four my older brother he would look at me a defense and laugh at me and so then I I think I reached here four and then we moved from that school hiring a primary school in North London and we moved to another area in North London having Highgate prime school so I did yeah a year five and six day the thing that we had like him even though like any ordinary kid used to go to school we used to we had non-muslim teachers my parents were different at home okay so at that moment that we used to go to school we spent spend so much hours in school my father understood that the impact that school can have to us having us the impact of school can having us so what he did was in the morning before we went to school my father would sit with us I especially remember it when we moved to the second second school primary school at Highgate primary school which is in archway between our Trent Finchley that primary school I remember very explicitly my father would sit with us in the morning and he would talk to us and he would speak to us about you know especially concepts of Trinity and okay he said no money I'm not being the Son of God or not being God and the crucifixion of ISA and I never reached this ayah at that time it was women are other and literally for enumeration on banking when I threw yeoman qiamat the armored car Billy mahashiv taniyama could come to Priscilla Carla her delicate cartoon fnac2 how academically all Mattoon sir the first time I heard that verse was actually for my father he would use that vessel law and he would use it in the diamines I'm an arid I'm thickly anyone who turns away from my remembrance to plan for in de l'homme erasure from bunk and that person will have a hard life in this world and so he would read that verse a lot I would say to us if you guys turn away from Allah's religion and you don't do what a lot of article tonight I told you to do and you don't stay away from what Allah told you to stay away from you're gonna live a very hard life well and so I remember one day I got sick in school and so I came home and I said I said to my dad dad did I or disobey Allah because I'm basically I thought I was living a hard life now because I'm sick so you know my dad looked at me and said no but if you do you would live a hard life so these kind of concepts as a young child it was what that was you know putting into our minds teaching us and so this was before we go to school so what kind of ages are we talking about about this time that roughly doesn't have to be exact yeah for how old are you therefore I would assume you are over to my six so we actually talked to your father actually started early oh very early yeah yeah see my dad history I may his background let me start from my dad's background my father I'm not good with dates but my father was a student who is studying in the molecular abyss or idea my father's from the people who took knowledge from Chicago as he's my best allahu ekber my father met muhammad nasir Adina del bene you know that topic on my dad met him these were talking about the 70s the late seventies the early 80s my father was in he was in the he was in America he was studying there he was learning and him you know too strong al Qaeda you know we never grew up with you know al Qaeda which was corrupt mm-hmm you know and but my father as a child himself he was born in a place called Mata ban that was my where my father was born which countries are in Somalia okay and my father's or an teacher and I went the reason is the reason why I'm mentioning my father's or an teacher the Madeira said that my father used to go to was owned by a sheikh old died had always a well known man but his son is even more well known his son is and it was my father's actual or on teacher his name is called a map ah here always okay I have met da he always was my father's baby of Quran teacher and close brother my father studied the Quran led the Quran from that madrasa okay they grew up my father went to Saudi Arabia after finishing the Quran at a young age and Mathias is a PhD holder from the Chairman I Sammy a madinat in Managua and I'm a fighter always was at eat was it for the children of Adam as my bad Shara been had in Matahari hammer fire Lois was a teacher for his children hmm and I have a pyro is when he came to the UK 1996 he lived with us farm he stayed with us and so what he did for us I'm a pyro is was he bought or an teacher for us my teacher and Madden Garrett he bought a teacher for us and he taught us to Quran so 1996 I was born 1988 so about eight years old yeah but before Malaga dad came the Quran teacher we had another teacher that used to come and it was basic stuff but before that my dad used to teach us my dad used to teach us and so that was the kind of upbringing that I had people who were knowledgeable and right lived sure I'm a PI especially living at our house he had a very good Allah he very amazing impact on our life you know Shahada hello is is you know one of the people were pushing that myself here in the UK in the 90s so that's that was my father he used to make sure that every day before we go to school he would make us you know here was some reminder and after school when we came my father would also give us reminder he was at home because his work was at home my dad used to type at home he had a money transfer in his house so I used to use those old type - it was he called those old typewriter operators and he used to also write here a little notebook where he used to write all the money and every people's to come to the house all the time and that's how my dad used to make him living at that time you have to imagine in the 90s there weren't much Somalis I remember one or two Somalis in the whole area that so there wasn't much much people like us okay at that time but at that forum at that time my father was really really dedicated he's driven to make sure that we learned the Quran and we let the Dean and we learnt our religion so that kind of parents and how important do you consider that kind of parenting is such an early age I mean what about the argument that it doesn't matter what you do at home the school just going to take away it take you to take your child away from you anyways in terms of like intellectually is just going to infiltrate your child's mind doesn't really what the parents do at home now that's not true that's really not true you know what my dad did and I think this is one of the most important things I think helps a child's upbringing and that is before you think about bringing any good to the child you have to think of preventing him from the bad things so he got rid of television he got rid of gadgets games compute minerals and computers I mean they might have been computers but we would definitely have lost in computers at a time mobile phones did not exist at that time I remember do you remember that time when t-mobile's could want to one yeah yeah so that was what people had you know you know using and it was a deal t1 T Mobile at that time one-to-one had a deal could 77 okay so 7:00 in the morning or 7:00 in the evening to 7:00 in the morning it was like you had a free line to talk to whoever you wanted to okay and I was Erickson was separate from Sony then they came they emerged and it became Sony Ericsson I luckily had we didn't have all of that I think PlayStation was was not even used at that time it was a game called Sega Megadrive yeah remember yeah Sonic the Hedgehog and that's the that's the kind of games that that were played in school people were more into all of that the reason I'm telling all of this is because all of that was out there and it really didn't affect us people used to love the you know these these bands these music bands like what star it was those boy bands like Backstreet Boys or Backstreet Boys and those kind of bands those were the people for us liking we didn't have television so when we went to school it never used to affect us personally all I never facted me never like I want to listen to music or I want to know because it's like in the morning when I woke up I had to reminder the speech of Allah so Angela when I went to school what they said my dad beat you to it I'll tell you a story my younger brother was put to a class where he had to study and he had to learn and he had to go through I think was the re or history I think was one of the two my brother turned it down he said I'm not gonna study Ari he rejected my younger brother like him he said I don't want to go Ferrari and I'm not going to study it okay and he told teachers I can't come in because they wanna talk about if it was history than Iram if I'm not wrong I might be wrong but I think it was to do with you know the truth is that you study and of course you know he beheaded this one I mean and you know the church was in you study about the church and Christianity comes in there as well my younger brother refused he said go for land I'm never gonna study it imagine this at that time how things have changed subhanAllah my father they asked my brother what happened my brother told him my father said ok ok ok no problem this is what you want it won't happen it reached a point or lie by Allah the education the guy head of education in Harrogate Jabara had to come down to our house he came to our house in our living room to tell us don't worry to tell you don't worry not to tell him that he has to come not at all in the UK imagine missing either was Ari or I don't think was Ari I think was history and it was like ok yeah this is nothing to Allah but he said there's nothing never happen now there's nothing happening so things have changed a lot has changed so my father you know he's down helped a lot so thank you mentioned things have changed now I want to bring about some modern world maybe some advice you can empower on others we do now have technology we have gadgets we have PlayStation we have TVs we have internet we have all of these kind of things what kind of advice would you give the parents today they've got four year old five year old six year old kids they want to mold them into students of knowledge righteous Muslims how can they do this considering that is so much fitna in the world my policy with all of that is that you should stop your children from all of that yeah yeah definitely games playing I know good never got it when I was a child and I'm look I I'm not lost out you know regret no not at all yeah I'm did I'm actually thankful Allah Han italic I did my parents to not bring in games to my house their house and television I truly benefited from it any until today I'll come dressed one of the things that helped me with not having to watch TV and movies and you know watching this and that I don't I'm not it doesn't bother me you never enter in the first 20 people they might engage in this kind of stuff now when they want to turn to the religion they find it really hard to give up these shackles and obviously if you've never had it in the first place and there's no issue interesting okay I want to talk a little bit more about your study routine now so when you were a child we have this debate about a child should it be focused more on memorization more and understanding what kind of mix do you think what kind of mix did you have first of all was it just memorize memorize memorize it was a bit of understanding like how did it work as a child we focus more on memorization because we couldn't understand everything child doesn't understand everything so when you're a child the parents really focus on health and that's what happened we memorize the Quran we had memorized our Baroni no we you know a little more tone books you know the Red Hat also bloom on these books you don't study you don't study in any way shape or form or you don't go through explanation to the child he's he's not gonna understand how you didn't explain a camera even for her and if s and what not that's the first chapter of Torah he won't fathom all of that he won't be able to digest all other information so what he just needs to know is memorize everything just capture everything keep in your mind there's gonna travel and explain everything to you and it's gonna make sense so the first stage of the child's life is that he memorizes and again if the child has things are distracting him and then he's gonna affect his memorization true Trudy's gonna do what HD flip or is it impossible to say where'd you start focusing more on understanding or is it does it depend on your child which I mean as soon as the child starts reaching teens stuff like that you start explaining things to him interesting you know one of the things I really really touched me as a child and I is that my father used he had you know I saw in my own eyes the Kitab car by an imam who know we that my father picked my name from oh really yeah the book he looked at in order you know a Buddhist my little item the most beloved names - Allah Azza WA Jalla is you know AB the Lion of the Rahman you know the like you can imagine when you see that book and this is where you would this is where I was picked from it's amazing my dad had a copy of blue and when I'm in his house as I I think we still have I think I still have that heat up the blue and one of my father has a child the pages are orange you know those old orange ranges that's the version he has from the Blue Marlin he studied from and he took from his machine so in that he as a young child seeing that stuff and seeing your parent like that it truly does it does so aside from the teaching that he obviously imparted on yourself in his siblings give me an idea of his actions was it in line with what he was teaching I mean like you know sometimes you have parents who would say one thing but do another like how important is it to make sure that a parent is actually acting upon what another thing is sort of I just wanted to I don't want to take like you have to understand I didn't I didn't part I didn't go on a journey to seek knowledge at that point cuz I didn't know it yeah so it was all my parents they were doing that they were making memorize they were making me do this I didn't know anything so I'll do what they told me to do right but one of the things that really helped me with my parents is they were they are like they're very good people very good people my father was a very good man a man who just he still is you know a man who just doesn't waste his life in unnecessary stuff a man who you could say busies himself with what is necessarily needed you know he's read either either in a mistreat he's either in his workplace and he's working a man who's got his leisure his table is up his clothing is above his ankles I've never seen my dad who was above his animals you see if my father you you know I've never seen my father shaven he's got his Peter hmm you see my comment and we talked about this early nineties you see Reba this house might have none of that and this is all while staying in the UK Cole was he lives in the UK you see when he takes television out of the house he's gonna be affected as well cuz he can watch news or come watch the car he doesn't mind yeah so it wasn't don't do this don't don't don't use your phone and the parents using the phone the phone themselves or you can't have television but they've got in a bedroom if you don't do it to be honest a child it's not going to align what kind of effect did that have on you when you see your dad with a short for example you want to then we're sure though but how does it how does esta my dad used to wear trousers because he you know when he came to the UK he a lot of people have the perception that if you wear these they're gonna do something wrong so he had that but it was above his ankles yeah I mean I first thought what's this about man what's this rule about why why why do you have to do all of this see as a child you're like a white page a white paper it's whatever is written on it whatever anyone writes on it that's what's gonna be stuck on that paper so the child is taking everything is all of that he's taking it in so now I'm I saw my mom job in every circumstances you know in the UK in that time a lot of pair Somalis that were coming into the country they were assimilating with the society some might call integration or they were simulating with the community society so they were celebrating birthdays I could see my mom going into arguments with them why are you celebrating you know again just to show you what lies how's things have changed but I'm a Latino turkey Tauber Burger King my mom today by the cake if I buddy in the UK she slapped me she'll slap me as her arm is strong on there they are on their own there you know my father was just tough on that all so growing up seeing all of that in the UK for me I'm saying all of this it doesn't mean that I felt like I was abused and I was I now look at it retrospective well I when I look back right back at it all I can do is just love it and appreciate him and he does make me call him sometimes and just tell him you know how much I appreciate what he's done for me and how much he's helped me it's it's because of that I can sit down sometimes for hours without having to communicate with anyone or anything I just read because I don't feel like I have to socialize or I have to use gadgets or I have to use a computer are or I don't have to know that can be without it I've heard many stories of them offline as well and they sound like really amazing people just a humble acquaintance I want to talk now a bit about your journey to seeking knowledge so at what age did you start traveling to seek knowledge roughly I'm not good with dates I might get it wrong or right to give or take I I think it was about when I was 11 12 13 14 given that range my age range I I think was 13 when I was or 12 I went for my first Amara for Marah I went to the house of Allah Azza WA Jalla the Kaaba in Mecca and I when I went there my father took me and we stayed in a hotel close to the we stayed in a hotel right in front of the Kaaba for the first time I saw the car but I walked inside it and there were dishes that were going on there were lessons there were there were I would see the chef's in there doing the rules and teaching and explaining things for people and people were hundreds of them was sitting under him at that time the Zemzem now it does exist but that time you could go down and you can see the same the way gushes from well you can go down to the Kaaba there's a dance floor you can go to well you know that the rough places Mohammed what I hear there's a place you could go down you could actually go down and you could walk and they'll show you how the sums of water was gushing out I saw that my dad told us about the story and what this is about and you know the ayats regarding this and Wow and then what my dad did was he planned a man to show us from the hatch program how had he's actually done so we went to miss della fer we went to Mena we saw all of that it was a real big trip for me hmm and then we went to Medina and then we saw you know the prophet's mistreat the grave of the Prophet we went to hurt we saw all of this my father explained everything to us he took and you know my dad would say oh did the janma a days they used to being a coach for us and weeks to go here but now things have changed and you know he was memory lane for him for me what happened was when I went through that trip and I remember my heart and my aspiration just became you know this is maybe what I wanted to this is maybe what I wanna wear I this is maybe what I want to achieve so I got on to my dad I said dad you know I want to become Ali always you know scholar and he looked at me and he said to me really said he I would like that I really want to become you know I want to learn the bean I'm hungry for the team and at that time me my younger brother we loved we really loved the demon will always talk about it and so I remember that that particular that particular Umbra first I'm gonna we ever did we had a meeting him at a discussion and it wasn't much dice to get the answers right but this time I got it right we had a debate about who is better maybe like Mohammed or maybe like Ibrahim he took the opinion Ibrahim was better I said I made her clean and he goes because we don't have much deleting all along color on the wall of the real Emma and so I said to him and maybe I'm how much is better because he's our prophet but he's a father of all prophets okay that we were throwing our arguments you could see that spark was there even she got mad I have you know he's to go to his lessons that he should do in late and we were young you know the Druze that he's to give we will we the love of the Dean was from a young age well I because your father hadn't stood after the permission of Allah of course your father instilled in and my uncle homophile always he really installed the love of the I remember one of his class I was very very little I'm talking about I was seven six I still remember he was doing tough sort of haka mm-hmm they cried to share cried you really cried and he cried and he cried I remember those of Syria wetsuit you know what I say later I mean mr Hayden Layton right okay I don't know like I know where Layton is but another he had a class day that he went through two tuxedos or through haka and to be honest he cried it was one of the hardest swords when it comes to the AMA and the day of judgement he cried and he made the people in the you know from the crowd to cry that really touched me really touched me I was like this is Han Allah you know these people need to the team so this is what we grew up and we also had my mother my last Hannah Tanner elevate her status rely you know what she did she bought this bigger set rather to be cassette players where you have two sides when you play and you can place the recruit side where you quote the tape cassette from one side to the other she used to buy the original 114 surahs or the whole entire Quran the 30 edges of the Quran of Muhammad Ali laughs oh sorry and I managed to this especially for sorry because the Quran teacher told her to get it so she get my mood Holly lost all his cassettes and she would take that and she'll put it into the cassette she doesn't want us to mess up with the original one so she always make a copy version for us you see and she'll take the original one and she'll put it on top on her shelf on her in her new bedroom and so whenever it got messed up she'll come down again for us and she would record it for us and that's what we would use and we would listen to that should put that into your ears or she would say to you the Quran teacher what he did what he used to do was the Quran teacher what he used to do was he used to test us on the Quran and when we finished a portion of the observe the Quran he would bring gifts and it would cool and he will cool a map Iowa's to a house you have to remember I'm a fighter once again was the most knowledgeable man at that time in the United Kingdom he doesn't live there in the UK now he's a PhD scholar from the University of Medina knowledgeable man he is now in London everyone wants to meet him he took his time off my father and his children little kids and he would cross his feet and he would listen to a swallow and sometimes Ramallah I remember one particular day I never forget we were so bad our memorization was extremely bad and we embarrassed the teacher because he used to show it was when it showed his teacher he did a good job and Shahab aya was a very busy man and he wouldn't use a nitro spray a fire I'm Elaine and a day he would be teaching or luckily cut it is a habit and so he set on the on the on the chair and he was listening to us he just slept because we were terrible what we were doing we were messing it all up because he was half of a big guitar is a half of so he'll tell you people pick a verse for you you pick a place for you and I'll tell you to read that was an embarrassing moment and that's handle light every time he would give us a gift one of the gifts that he would give her it gave us was cassettes you know a small wawk wawk wawk Monica says you put your tape in there and you listen to it that's what I remember I want it I got one as well anyways after that Ramona trip I left and I went to the I asked my dad I want to seek knowledge and my dad sent me to Somalia Somalia well so you went to Somalia I mean obviously I know I know you said that you know quite good dates but give me an idea are there other countries that you went to when you're seeking knowledge I just could I could I just bet you some things about somebody that I benefited from I went Somalia without my mother my father I'm a very young age very I doubt about that around that time okay and I went there and I stayed with my mom my dad's other wife very good woman an honorable woman she really took care of me my Ohana her and grant her genitals a very good mother Milana my father when he took me there [Music] it's okay take your time pshh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] okay take your time so what happened was I I came from the UK and I went to somebody I left my mom behind and if I'm not wrong my father was there before me I think he went maybe he was before me okay and I went with my older sister you know how we're together this is my first time go to my country you never seen somebody in my life I've heard about it so happy I landed the plane the plane landed and there was no the country didn't have a pool so shocked just land in the middle just get off the airplane yeah there's no Apple so everyone's just standing right under the plate so come out my dad standing there he's dressed different no he's wearing a cultural somali clothing cousins picked mouse up because of lack of safety you know you have to get pleased you know people with guns and whatnot I went home I met my mother my stepmother for the first time a liar truly an amazing woman she's to give me good advices she used to uh she used to advise me greatly like man don't your dad put here for a reason so what happened was when I came it was in the middle of the Year ribbon so what did my dad did was he got me a teacher to teach us Arabic because remember I came from the UK of course I don't know Arabic so my dad there was a teacher may Allah bless him he came number one in the slam in a secondary school in the country first he came first and he was meant to get a scholarship to Yemen studying was so energy was one of the most enthusiastic people when it came to education and learning and what happens analyse I don't know some complication happened somebody else was given his position and so he was heartbroken so anyways he was Allah but intently that he becomes my teacher so when I came I'm new to the country I'm I don't know anything I don't know my language somebody's not to the level of the people of the country I get enrolled into that class and in that class there was a Canadian girl who really as officially now you know she left Islam in a little away not a hard road and another girl from Sweden I don't know where she is but I heard she's now into medicine and dr. Matta protect her and take care of her and guide the other one and two brothers from Kenya but I was the youngest I was very very little so the teach would only hit me no one else mmm he would beat me up and I remember that first class we started at Julia it was my first lesson I took it was lkm who are often more a couple feet open I'm like what is this what on earth is alquiler more laughable more feet so I try to bring my head to this get around what does this mean what is he talking about we had a class of fit with him when he told her Saffy no - Naja philosophy I had a hockey the book at Edo with him which was the guitar half the hakama either alleged RIBA question answers you'd write the question in one answer phones basically what he wanted to do was he was teachers to be slamming those teachers academic inside it was a all around a llama barrack the idea was that we were we had to catch up with the secular school kids but remember the secondary school kids their subject is in Arabic now in English hmm so I in one year I have to learn Arabic milada three types of Bulava then would buy an animal my dear animal Manny I have to learn now I have to learn self I have to also not have sheer disgust or thesaurus or you have to do that as well and to hate and hadees had it 100 suits hadith you have to memorize them from top and they will ask you the Lara I belong from the strange ones in know in the hadith and let Anna Manni each Amalia very hard complicated curriculum to be very honest with you it was not suitable for me I just came from the UK I'm an English speaker I do not know anything about anything about this so what happened was I came the first day to the class I was wearing big shoes you know I came I was wearing socks I told my dad if he can get me nice but he caught me hike so I came in and I remember I was in a classroom and I'm studying that was the first part to seeking knowledge and then another quran teacher came to my house his name is Mohammad Lana I do have Abdul happen Abdul Wahab was from like one of the best people really he went to dimension I drew help for a Quran competition and he came first well and because he's in Somalia from the things that our corrupted acts and our oppression and our wrongdoings in our country is that we belittle tribes right so they pushed his tribe down and he could have got to that you know the chance to go there and benefit from it and go to the match but he won't get it because the guy who's running the the flight is not his tribe and they're gonna put him in the back the big tribes are gonna get it he didn't get it when he was a half of Multan one of the unique things he had was he stood Reid was very strong extremely strong extremely strong I remember one day he led seven-deuce in the Quran for Asia Allah and Allah answer yeah well line up in the first road like a muscle just before federal court victory and you know what is amazing was he was a half of her film her husband Mahan al karima how a fool like him his Quran something else very merciful to me it was a strict teacher I had before that he was my my stepmothers Quran teacher as well she said he was someone you would never want to - the way he was tricked and the way he was to me I thought he was tricked to me but she saying this is nothing so I grew up in the house my stepmother took good care of me she used to do a lot of things for me my dad left straight away after when he saw that I got I got into everything he left and so I was without my father and my mother and one of the things that the good thing is my mother did my Honda her and gran had done it for those I mean this is when parents work together the children become good she my mother accepted to let me go she said go you know seek knowledge you know my father said if you let these kids stay here you know and he wants to D like this there can come a time he couldn't possibly not get what he wanted hmm so just came and go imagine a mother letting her child go to another country to a step wife and your co wife imagine this is hard not many people can do that my mother was willing to do that and if he never did that I probably wouldn't have been able place I mean so before I went to Somalia we moved to Birmingham where she moved to mom London okay because I my first my my dad he moved I remember I was telling a story about my brother having to you know say that he just want to study history or one that bought a thought - my mother father my father was scared now he thought these guys are gonna probably inject my son and kill him you know you know put something in his head on some and just say he's crazy so my dad got really scared and so what he did was he went to school he registered my brother in a school in Birmingham let's go till he dies from school okay those people burn me we're hearing these are gonna be so he was really heated on my brother my younger brother I didn't go I went to another secondary school stay school called golden hillock okay but I didn't go that first year first year I I remained in London when one year I came after my mom okay I stayed in London with my brother and my father my older brother and me and my father we went to school called focused me in North London one year secondary school and then I went to Birmingham and I stayed and I studied at I think another another year or two I don't remember maybe 13 14 when I was then I left but at that time Birmingham it was getting cramped with so many Somali kids from Holland were coming and the reason I mention it is because if my mother never let us called she never let me go to Somalia all of the boys I remember that were in my school either the imprison or did ba ya couldn't have any turkey 81 one of the kids who died after running a lot about a guitar I take him to China his mother only had him he was the only child that his mother had and I heard his mother lost it when she found out her son died can imagine she was raising him she was just all she had in her life and she lost her son and I heard she became lost it so looking back at all of that and what happened in the kids my age and on hamdulillah that'll be our home was good but you're in a world where you're not the only one who is trying to work on the child you know other people are trying to do their thing to your children they're trying to brainwash him China so I went Somalia and so you know one thing I want to mention I really hope you don't mind me mention this but you're speaking about how the parents coming together and making sure they're on the same page um when did your mom actually find out that you actually moving to Birmingham because she told me this before and I think it's a benefit in this yeah that my mother my father did his research he looked up you know those back in those days it was perspectives you know you yeah perspective no remember there was this there was the Muslim directory okay now where are those who are watching gonna know it's called Muslim directory where basically you can find out every slamming school in the country you can find any rich slamming restaurants in the rest right now you can google all up but that kid back in those days it used to come out I was like a catalog I was like the yellow pages the Muslim yellow pages was called the Muslim directory where you could find out everything you were looking for restaurants how they you know schools and my dad looked it up and he saw Birmingham and there's one auntie who my father was you know he tried wise well we're we're close why he said hasn't been him of bring the children over don't worry so my father after getting everything ready and idea came to him very soon as well wasn't something was planning off a month but the thing that really shocked me was he came home and he just told my mom and he said to my mom yeah basically I I want you guys to go to London Birmingham tomorrow or something like that yeah tomorrow you know really touched me a lot when I think about it today and I I ponder over it was you know one thing my mom was my mom was one person's panel and she is a righteous wife media to her husband did I am in a head until today she consults him and things that she wants to do she will take his permission sometimes right now she will I show Calypso husband I want to leave the house and I want to leave the house I want to go so he just said to look you know tomorrow gonna go sheep okay you just got everything ready to close it ignore she keep keep keep in mind keeping in mind she some other children have to stay two of them under his stay there sorry these are gonna go with you these are gonna stay okay well what I'm trying to say is if my mom never did all of that she never listened I will trust me we would not I will not be where I am today honestly these decisions that they were making was carving my life and directing me in the right way so they went and we stayed I really first had my life I let me live to my mother was the first time we used to get sad every day was to call my brother and my brother would pull us up and he would tell us things like yeah these things over here this is how much they cost my younger brother I mean my older brother be so extremely jealous and he will mention new things that he led and me and my older bodies to go to school together fortissimo and it was very accurate it was very dark and dark especially mom leaving the house it was the difficult time it was extremely difficult yeah so let's go back to Somalia now you're in Somalia your star in the early stages of your stomach it is funny I I moved to Birmingham but I want to move to Burma I went to the same school fast okay I want to do Bundys primary school secondary school Indian the abundant second school it was called and here Islamic school I wish I could see those teachers you know teacher Han Garin nice to be or not it'll be nice to meet them now yeah that I used to be there and I we studied I studied there for a period of time and I remember they used to force how did he us so my life it was Islam all around me everywhere I went it was somehow yeah I remember that was the time and me my brother Abdullah we used to have to find out what men have we believe and what was the view of our met happen so we go to dad and say dad what's this Hanafy and freaking Malakian sheriffy who are these people what who's in my Malik and how wish Sheriff Lee hmm who's chef Lee and so my dad would explain it to us this one I'm sure if it was Papa we know just follow the Prophet doesn't make sense now why do you have to follow this person at that time to ask questions why we had to perform the Prophet al-assad's about this doesn't make sense I just wanna say something in my life I made to her when I was very young 1 to 2 hours the first door I was sharing a file which I used to go to his class I told he was a baby I went a couple of his classes twelves I watched a lot of his classes I made a dua that one day I can see that I'm up ahead OS he comes to one of my lessons and he listens to it and the second one was shared Nasser was now in Egypt he was the Imam of Finsbury Park I was to meet the television report I used to pray behind him those two people I made two are the last shows me with my two eyes they come and they listen to me I've been answered I said he prays behind me there's an imam of a mistreat I have applied always comes to my halaqa and listens to my death those two I saw him life didn't happen they happen Dharma so I have a bias in my class well I with his humility is a very humble man extremely humble man truly humble man and you let's shake up the last I mean I did a halt before him hold the two trauma and I laid him in a Salah that was for me personally as a young child growing up that was one of my goals to see that happen so so you're in Somalia now and you're going through your Islamic education roughly how many years were you there for can you remember for five years making five and then you moved on to another country so I went second in school i finished my secondary school there sorry you're at the time you doing secular education as well it's a mechanic a simultaneous second school but the only thing is we had like static history we had in Arabic sorry who are Bessie in a Nomo in and many in and the this what we were study history but we had maths science science we had biology chemistry we had physics we had geography we doing Islamic talk in English Arabic one DNA Doha fear is what we did in Arabic Tobias Lamia which was faith all of that we were doing it not an Arabic and all that we would do it at that time I was going to the school emotionally I was a student of she's not honey JAMA a very prominent shake right now everybody now got to know him but he was my teacher then he was in a message called hapa in X control I'm a kind that's where I used to go I stayed with those couple of years with him I studied with the zero Quran and carry the whole Quran to see he did for us he to us the latitude also Lucien wadcutter butyrate he did was a theorists she did I did from al-qaeda from telethia truce or casual body tablet or it also still Hama we know know how Maria with him up to a so Tia and a junior I did with him she had more I truly benefited from him and his students became my second teacher after I moved because I moved from the the house I was in in my stepmother I moved from her and that's one of the things that I I misbehaved I wasn't good to my stepmother I wasn't very nice and the reason is because she had to follow law hard protocol very strong protocol and I thought was her and at that time I became a teenager so you know didn't even come to take her that you can take on everybody so she was like yeah this but this points misbehaving I can imagine that her stuff no woman very noble woman so and then I moved I moved away from her I left her with all of the trade that she did for me and all the way that she did for me I'm I went to my mom's my mom's brother okay and I stayed with her I stayed with him and he was a student knowledge very good story so he took me to this classroom algebras crosses and that message used to be packed returning went have ship starts you have to come early to catch up the class you would see right at the back and I ordered my first of serum or kefir in 2040 dollars to have that same year 1516 years old I already might have said Oh 2,000 or 5,000 I'm ordering we might have serum okay feel a lot of sympathy it came and it has at the bottom Hammond a 3d neural Burnie her Roger hmm so I'm asking everybody who's this Albani is the Albanian and the Sheikh is telling me the chef so I I love the chef so much but I could never talk to him so one day I found out that the uncle that I'm with the uncle I'm with his younger brother is a doctor he's a surgeon he actually did surgery for the chef's hand he did actual surgery to chef chef something happened to him I think had a car crash or something and then my mom my mother my both of them my mom's my mom's brothers but the younger one he did surgery for him and so I told mom I can't invite me into the house why don't if I him because one day one day one day so one day I came from school and he said to Matt Matt I have a surprise for you and then I said what's a surprise and he said to me she have North coming to us today make sure you clean your room properly she was gonna go all over the rooms I didn't ask why why would she call to all rooms when I was I cleared my room I cleaned everything sorted out my bed I saw everything the chef came to the house food was served he started to drink and eat so I said because I was raised to you eat and then you drink after her and then I said shift in Olano say cool wearable with trunk with the shares on goatey staff did classes did a lot not say Kulu and then wash honorable and then he said to me one while she asked me Lola T the WoW in the SL in the Arabic language dual or a letter T with a keep it doesn't show sequence so much she heard you mention this in your class he said it doesn't show sequence and odor like kuru washer abu doesn't mean the kuru comes he said Doc Holliday II don't want they entered an armor doesn't show armor came before 0z became full armor and I went quiet for a therapy but I today have another answer if I was to me McKenna was to eat together I would have said I when I did say it in them because I was in skin and I'm still AM but if I was to meet him today I would have said to him it would be my bed Allah he he mmm-hmm when the Prophet was asked Saleh Ali was seldom should we start within the software Walmart ameesha Ida lecture we start with suffer or Marwa the companions asked and what did the Prophet say even though I bet that Allah we start with what Allah started with maybe I would have said that if I mention but it touched me I really I always loved the righteous people I always loved the ruler man the people of knowledge stealing eat you know what he did when he finished eating that's one of the things that really resonated in my heart the people of knowledge you learn a lot from them or lie as soon as we finished eating eight he said everybody let's see from where where we dropped the food on the floor hmm well I never fell on the ground let's pull it from there and literally would like I remember well answer he start eating from each place all of that which fell done he started eating each and every one of them I met second order Ali JAMA many years after you know and because I was very young he's hugging me and he said who you are told because I'm taller than him laughs lightly so he hugged me and he said you're very tall and I said yes I just growing in a they are not growing in knowledge I saw him in Arafah in Hajj so in our affair in Hajj and all through Harvard the day of Arafah he was raising his head like that when all of the people sleeping and they were waking up and people taking Tallulah hair on their I slept I literally meaning slept I went out and I woke up and I still saw him making time still raising his hands faking a lion out of her oh really righteous people Lions read honestly what you learned from them behind closed doors was far greater than when you learned from the halaqaat and they deduce I really could listen to these stories all day so we were in we're in Somalia and you got obviously a lot of beneficial people around you that you're learning they're kind of molding you as a young Shin of knowledge dying when you journey what happened next as soon as I finished my school there and my father was very smart to understand that if I came back from the uu if I came back to the UK yeah this could probably quote issue to me cuz I'm still young no no not an old so what he did was he planned a trip with the hunger of my mother my mother was really pushing for it and we went to Egypt okay so what I did was I came to the UK for a summer holiday by the way keep in mind all that time was in Somalia I never came to the UK you never visit it no well I told my daddy welcome to UK okay maybe he would ask me I said Nana dad I'm happy here I'm really happy here that yeah like in um my oldest sister's getting married who was with me he's going to get married so I came to the UK and when I came to the UK I stayed there for a while and to be very honest to do it just still seem the same anymore it just still it seemed the same I was happy to go back to Somalia hmm so I saw my I said mom you know to be very honest I didn't know anyone anymore if my mom she changed you know has been away for a long long time for years you know I haven't seen anyone well even though my mom visited one time she came for two three weeks but number one my mom's been away from the country for like 20 plus years right so when she came that time she finished she didn't have time for me she's got all her she's got her mother was alive at that time she had all of her sisters to go to she was there for a short period of time I was she had to go to many places my mother so I didn't even get a chance to talk to her as well and she's come back to the country the country's begging for her she's been away from her family for 20-plus years so I just want to extract a benefit that's really powerful we said kazooie's in the UK that was all you ever knew when you were very very young and you went away for a few years you came back and suddenly you've seen the UK in a complete different light and the reason why I want to extract that benefit is because I can completely agree with you I was born and raised in UK for 20 plus years and I've only been in the UAE for three years but even now when I go back to UK I realized that I see and it's completely different night and you don't actually realise until you leave the UK it's true when you're actually raised and you stay in the UK or in any way in the West I assume is the case you actually become almost desensitized to it and it's obvious that you have to remove yourself to actually realize and see what the West is for it's true sorry I just I thought what I came back I didn't know anyone or anything you know everybody changed you know what I even learned that you the older the parents get they become softer hmm the strictness that my parents had when we were gasps younger it was a big coming you know soft and softer becoming soft so for me it was it was it was I just I'm gonna go back so my mom told me that don't Egypt really I said he I she said you were on Egypt but what you have to do is because I had a return ticket Somalia she goes Somalia basically pack up all your stuff from somebody whatever you left behind and then make away from Somalia to Egypt and so yeah that's what I did so you still in your teens at this age at this time so you went to Egypt and you continued to now do you go full time into Islamic education where you still balancing between secular like how does it work so when I came from Somalia Island grandma I was very good in grandma I was Arabic Lottie was very good theoretically but not practical okay cuz the country in Somali you're not speaking Arabic you study a lot but you don't speak it so I came and when I came and I landed in Egypt I couldn't speak properly so me my brother died came came but the Hakim never came to Somalia all of this trip I'm doing he's been and you can't he's below in the UK all that time now but what's amazing without my when my younger brother was even though he was in the UK all that time he was still seeking knowledge hmm research that can be done working hard very hard very very hard it was like super Hannah like even though I left him on a walk I I left he was competing like he was just not giving up honestly he was very who's working very hard it was very it was working very very hard so I went to Egypt then and when I went in Egypt I went to an Arabic Institute where I can learn how to speak I needed to brush on my speaking Theory wasn't enough you needed to practically practically learned how to speak so me my brother willing to do we went to the Marcus and I went a level higher because I just came from the country he used from the UK even though he's and was a level or two lower than me I don't remember exactly so then we start to speak I started speaking Arabic to the teachers and classes to be very honest with you I was not in any way shape or form ever revising for these classes hmm I never had it for advice I just said I just leave come back there was a young boy used to be in my class Somalian kid very strong kid a liar Hama he died now his level Mustafa it was in my class a lot about go to hell blessed our brother wallahi he had he had something coming you know from him it's truly amazing he had a lot of he was younger than me plus that imagine I was in the same class as me because he came from Somaliland at that time as well he came from her gacy he studied there and I came from Somalia reliable saying roughly and after he wanted a match by the way it's acknowledged but he died or him Allah Allah have mercy on him I mean and have mercy on his mother well I truly an honorable woman very honorable hard-working woman Allah bless her as well so yeah we used to go to that class and then hit from there I met you care but this your first time I mean I was not my English has gone very very bad so I meet these brothers I talk to them we converse they we get to know each other my brother Abdullah Kim he picked up on a a lesson I was taking place in shubra in Misha to read by Sheikh by the chef by the name Mustafa hideaway a black him picked up that and he went we started to go we weren't me in the same I remember we went to that class and she had Mustafa either way he asked a question he asked a question I was I had two classes here at FC across and it's I heard mahalik loss and the first question I remember I literally remember that day he asked was um does anyone know the name of Mosul Amma anyone may know the name of almost element the prophets wife literally I looked her and said whoa including myself I didn't know it Wow and I remember he said something he said look it's the prophets wife no one knows her name and that really was the resonator remember that so I even made Mustafa Qadri again in Halima I told ya I just told her chef you know that statement you said I swim in empty - from about the last ten days and I said sure you know that day what you said you really helped me hmm you know sometimes you might say something could stick with somebody on the other side of the world benefits them well is true so at this stage in your studies are you still like is it formal institutionalized education in a school or are you like sitting in the roofs of the ulema how's it working and it was in the institution because I just graduate from secondary school right so second school is an Islamic school in Egypt in Somalia oh no sorry I'm talking about Egypt or in Egypt okay I went I graduated from the Islam Marcus hmm but I did the Arabic program at this point so I finished at that time was called still called adventure but it was the best at that time the IB program so I was alfetta I finished it yeah yeah that was my only formal studying at that moment that I did at that particular moment okay now and of course to her role of the Messiah but personally at this moment at this particular moment my parents were more concerned with the idea of the concept and the knowledge and that's how I always soft my front my father my mother so I'm package out a bit what do you mean by that they were more into the idea of what do you know my father always asked me whatever you memorized yeah when we go to the hospital tomorrow he would always ask me what did I have to say what did you understand from the hospital drama explain it to me in details that's what he would focus on it was always about what you understood and what not what you are the what qualifications you had or one of my shoes off that I studied with and become very close with and truly helped me is shocked by the name of Shiva Hamid Mohammed and he recently was here shaman Mohammed was recently here he's a man I benefited at utmost benefit and i truly considered from a very i consider him to be very very not about scholar Hakan truly his knowledge is very vast he's understanding of the deal is very very strong my love on him in this world in hereafter very close with him with very close relationship and he never took a form of studies you know no formal studies rather I saw times when she I'm a pyro is who is your PhD hold in Germany Medina I didn't know what a PhD you're a PhD I actually saw him say to share a Muhammad what do you think the answer the question is in in a Mortimer actually look at him and say what do you think I remember one day my father invited I'm a finalist and my father invited him over she I'm applying said to my dad you have to invite shamon Mohammed Mohammed are very close Jenna and Shana hamid muhammad came Hamid ER he came to the house when he came let me start before I go into that she I am a piety said something to my father he said to him I haven't Mohammed is someone like me I remember that were Lionel answer he said he's like me so and it's for more if you look at formally I'm a fighter was you know you know much higher in terms of qualifications yeah so we always always appreciated my life the idea of qualifications came after that age as even after that the concept of you have is difficult for this just came after in my mind I always focused on what do I know do I understand this but do i grasp this or I'm sure our Adama I considered you very knowledgeable no slammer qualifications he actually studied in the old classical way where you know go to Holika and you finished the ship's program and you got another Holika Hakala that's how they used to be so they said let's go into this a little bit how much money should be placed on its time' qualifications is it the case you put no value whatsoever or is there some like where do we find a balance no I don't undermine it I don't say it's not needed and I think it's something you know it's good it's good but it doesn't really matter if you have qualification you don't have the understanding but if you if you have the understanding you have no qualifications no problem right I see I see it's all about the understanding that really that knowledge that you have only understanding that really matters if you get the qualifications is that it's the cherry on the cake mmm and I start cherry on the cake base it's not the awesome to be very honest with you I would Saudi Arabia and I stayed in the house of Shem I know as his younger brother most of I always you told me L mph arrived and he told me no / - thicker more supplier I stayed with him in Mecca and while I was with him in Mecca we used to go to the terms of chef by the name of surest man Shari her uterus is known as he's an Indian she originally well I we learned however from him humility and humbleness sala hatun you know what he does I took from Ephraim Ajit and have seen look at here ok any portion of Sahara Muslim that he did he is Teresa her Muslim with the shall have no we you know what he does he still allowed mela mela give him a life full of bar on obedience Cheryl Medeiros would sit there and he would read the key table first remedied he literally read the whole book with the shaman Hassan and run has already said he will just give little Talia cut here and there and no explanations here or there he wouldn't lift his head up and look and talk to he wouldn't explain anything or just stick to the book mmm right now if you go to his gurus I don't know no I don't I don't know the last couple of years last five years I don't know or last 10 years I don't know but before he had you know only the African brothers I would go there people don't value woody what a very visitors he's been there for years I had real very and he's what he does at very big e trans that she had mobile praised him and everything the point I'm coming to is shed are mature more supply here always you know he would say when we walk in there mean she almost will go together to the d'oeuvres and would sit whichever hand mother is and I would see she Hermosa was a graduate from Edina University I would see him sitting with the shake her hand mudras and then fat Ron Magid chakras are most my remember no we had no and I'll ship you know Oh Mikey I studied this book before really after you take it but the truth is what Allah he lets you learn more than just a book or life you know more than just a book yeah yeah I think since we're on this topic of qualifications and the difference between qualifications and not having qualifications and I know you're gonna really hit me in kill me for saying this better at the same time you're working towards PhD now so there is obviously some benefit that you personally derive from a formal academic environment what is the benefit there definitely I wouldn't say that there's no benefit one of the benefits that you take from doing university programs ph d--'s master's is the dissertation you write the birth that you have to do these research is that definitely you learn from its how to research what books to rely on what kind of methodology you should have take when you're writing your back it's not just merely just throw this a knuckle here and just throw this knuckle here you have to organize even though the evidence from strongest to you no weakness what how can that your back has to be done in a army way the book that you're gonna be using it has to be consistent from the same pub are all these are things that you know would be picked up from and while I was in the similac has meant in Saudi Arabia what I would do it is I used to spectrally go to these where they do you know necrophilia where they do in a car shot of the doctor Carter even when I was in Egypt if we sit when I went to Egypt I go as how you know they stick on the wall that is gonna be you know thesis research of fool anybody you don't know it is but you look at whatever researches are happening I gotta take place and if it amazes you you go and you listen and you see how they basically interrogate the person and how they the the legend I talked to him so Isis found that to be very beneficial from from these PhDs and from these [Music] academic studies family academic sons but as for knowledge as for gaining Islamic knowledge from it personally I didn't think you found out from it and I also didn't find that our beer that you get from a shellfish at with him and just watch him do things and I also think the jama at they don't give that to you as a student you actually lose all of that they take if you didn't have in the beginning and you go there sometimes it can take that away from you yeah yeah well you can ill our model Hammurabi that is taken from the halaqa to be to be very honest you get that from the halacha now the journey that I am going to that's the same thing you go to the halaqa you go to the China if you check out the Jannah you're gonna be disgusted really disgusted to your whole of you know what kind of teaching ethics that they have and what kind of you know the teachers meant to teach a subject the way he's dressed the way he talks the way he's picking up his it's just so much things that you know I I want us her for you know before you go to accept it into the gem I said you have to go to the birth and there's a classes that you have to participate in my cleanliness the kids wolf was were were whistling in the class then whistling in the class the calling teacher's name in the class as how the university imagina the mock in the teacher the first teacher I was teaching in the Java he smokes his mom he throws it and he comes in and he takes up and it's a it's like a it's like a shift frame it's a 95 drop so shift he looks at the time and he leaves so that's why I realized this is for the ulama and the people of knowledge that you need to take that from I mean this has been extremely extremely beneficial so far we're running out of time for this but I think definitely gonna have a part 2 to continue on with this for now that's all we have time for Surpanakha bobfm Decay eyeshadow la and a head and a stone felucca where to Bowie Lake I hope you enjoyed and benefited from that discussion please do share it with your friends and family members if you feel like they might benefit too and don't forget to hit that subscribe button below so you're notified of any new episodes check out www.sceeto.com that's the hotseat podcast.com on there you'll find a little bit more information about the podcast and you'll also have the chance to vote for which topic you'd like to see discussed on the show you can also ask questions on the website to the speaker himself about these 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Channel: Al Madrasatu Al Umariyyah

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Keywords: Islaam, Islam, Quran, Qur'an, Qur'aan, Sunnah, Muhammad, Hadith, Hadeeth, Ustadh, Abdulrahman Hassan, Ustaadh, Salafi, Salafiyyah, Sunni, Lesson, Al Kauthar, Al Maghrib, Mufti Menk, Nouman Ali Khan, Yasir Qadhi, Islaamic Lesson, Islamic, Islaamic, Tawheed, Shirk, Bidah, Jannah, speakers corner, ali dawah, mohammed hijab, naseeha sessions

Id: 5zb1zQHJRMg

Length: 81min 28sec (4888 seconds)

Published: Fri Jul 19 2019