Unexpected Discovery Delidding the AMD Ryzen 7600X

foreign welcome back to a new video I want to apologize quickly for any kind of background noise you might hear that might be annoying because you know like Milling machines and all kind of background noises that could appear we're just going to talk briefly about the ryzen 7000 like tuning tools the daily dynamate direct diaphragm lapping tool all these kind of products we will quickly talk about and we are also going to delete a 7600x in today's video this is the final version of the data Diamond it's still not anodized but at least mechanically it's final it's also revision seven it took quite a while to make it really idiot proof because that is for me that's the key for releasing a product like this I just want to be sure that if I throw this on the market that nobody is going to ruin his CPU with our tools and I even gave these with like a 7900x to people who don't even know what a CPU is and even they could safely delete their CPU it all worked out all fine now and in today's 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the basic idea and how it works is still the same as with the early prototype that we showed to you we just did some small adjustments on some tolerances and also that you cannot use the CPU the wrong way you can theoretically put it in 90 degree like rotated but that would not work with the slider like the slider only works in One Direction so in the end even if you put in the CPU like wrong way here you cannot use the slider in the wrong way so that's pretty much idiot proof the correct way to use the CPU would be in this direction then simply put the slider on top and then we're going to secure it using these like huge washers and screws here we have some of the weak teams which we use for testing that is the 7900x which we used in the very early video also for the temperature testing that is a 7950x which we use for deleting this is the 7700x which unfortunately got damaged in like the second revision so on the second revision we did some like I wouldn't call it mistakes because it's still progress you just figure out which things work and which things don't this did not work well the deleting work but you can see this is something you just don't want to happen but that's an eight core 12 4 16 core and now the only thing missing is the six core 7600x should also be only one die from what I would expect should look exactly like this one like the 7700x buying multiple CPUs and some of them also got damaged that is one reason why these kind of products are also not going to be extremely cheap yet like you cannot make this 10 simply because only the aluminum parts like the parts what Milling is already over 20 Euro so it's just with like the development cost and everything is impossible to make it extremely cheap but I think final price should be somewhere around maybe 50 to 60 or Euro and from my perspective the main thing that counts is still that you will not damage your CPU because if you buy like a 7950x it's not cheap and in the end you should not forget that if you used it you can always like resell it on maybe eBay or something and get maybe 50 of what you paid back by the way that's also the reason why we decided not to bundle the direct diaphragm with the leader because I expected that some communities they might know that there are 10 people who want to delete their aim 5 CPU and then you can only just buy one and maybe share the cost between five or ten people and buy five to ten of these individually will be cheaper for you in the end to continue with the deleting process once the CPU is in there once the slider is fixed you take a screw with one of the bearings it's not a ball bearing as we showed in the first video we also had this type of bearing already for the second revision in the first video but some people seem to miss this and then just add this screw in here now you have to know that the first pull the first pull of the slider will take a bit more Force because you have to loosen the glue the glue and also the solder and then it should become much easier to move it back and forth compared to the first version you could also see that it's much smoother you need you need much less force it doesn't feel wrong it doesn't feel like you're breaking your CPU so that is a straight Improvement after the first pull you add the second screw and you pull back the slider the second pull is much easier and you will just have to repeat exactly this like you take out the screw tighten the other one and just pull it back and forth and this process depending on the exact CPU takes 20 to 50 times takes maybe eight to ten minutes from my testing might be annoying at first but you will get to it and then it will work out and most importantly it will not kill your CPU I also had some like ideas some comments about how can we improve this can we not heat up the CPU a bit to make the indium softer but it will actually make it worse because if the indium is even softer you will not be able to make use of the metal fatigue which is what we're using right here theoretically you could put it into the freezer and like minus 50 degrees Celsius would actually be better because it would make the indium harder than what we have right here but even like this just takes a bit of time and then we should be back soon once you feel like there is almost no torque needed anymore no Force then you can try to like move it back and forth with your fingers and that way you notice that the CPU is deleted [Music] [Applause] um to be honest I'm a bit confused right now either I did not get the memo or like why is the 7600x using two dice and the 7700x was only using one for a second I thought I took the wrong CPU but you can see it's the 7600x and it's using two of them I didn't get it anyway you can see it safely deleted you will have some like tiny residues of the solder on there and then just use the the typical cleaning process but as you can see pretty straightforward pretty safe for the deleting I now spent some time cleaning the 7600x I'm still surprised that we have two dice under there I didn't clean the IHS but you can still again see that it's indeed a 7600x using two ccds and I now want to find out if both of them are active or if only one of them is active and we will also use our direct diaphragm for this this is also going to be the final version it's anodized but with a special anodizing process if I translate it it's like hard anodizing which is like 10 times more thick oxide layer than just normal anodizing and this way we can make sure that even if you would scratch the frame with something sharp like with a screwdriver you would not get through the oxide layer and this way we can make sure that you can use an aluminum part without any issues in combination with liquid metal on here so even if liquid metal would touch the frame it would not be an issue and also Dimension wise the site of the frame like this Auto area right here is sitting about 0.1 to 0.15 millimeter lower than the chips to make sure that it's sitting as high as possible to protect the dice because otherwise if it would sit too low then you would have something that you saw maybe with socket acp's back then that if you place a cooler on top and you mount it a little bit wrong then you can chip off something off the die and that's something you absolutely want to avoid because that would probably permanently damage the chip and then also if the frame would sit too high let's say it's sitting 0.2 millimeters too high then the cooler would not have contact with the chips and it could also kill your CPU that's why we are measuring all the frames during production to make sure that all of them meet the required tolerances for mounting and this is how the 7600x would look mounted with the direct diaphragm and now I want to find out which of the dice is active like if all of these ccds are active both of them are just one that's why I made some tiny copper pieces copper nuggets which I will put on the chips just to compensate initial like heat load because otherwise if you would not put anything on there and you power on the system because the weight or the mass of the Silicon chips is maybe like 0.2 grams and that's simply not enough buffer Mass to catch the initial heat out of a chip and with a bit of copper on there and also some thermal paste we should be able to catch the heat up process of these like copper nuggets and I will also put thermal paste on top of them simply because it will be much easier for me to capture this with a thermal imaging camera otherwise the characteristic of metal is just too different from the surrounding parts and this way should be much easier to catch I started running the thermal imaging camera as you can see and also the like yellowish dot you can see on here if I go back into Focus you can see there's actually this single IC that sits on the board and that is one I see that's responsible for some voltage regulation the board is not switched on it's just in standby power but seems like it's still doing something maybe also related to the RGB but at least in the socket area there is nothing we can see and now I will switch on the board and we see if we can catch something very good indicator as we can see at the bottom right CCD is definitely powering on we can see a clear difference to the one on the left the ioda is not getting S4 but it's also getting warm as we can see but definitely only the bottom right CCD is functional and the bottom left seems not to be working I'm not quite sure if the emission factor is correct so I'm not sure if you can rely on the actual temperature reading but just seeing this should be already enough and just to quickly show and I know it's quite weird that we just flipped the IHS and put this on top as a tiny cooler but you can see the mounting pressure by the direct diaphragm is sufficient to get the CPU to boot so you will need only tiny to up to no mounting pressure from the cooler also checking cpuc and Hardware info does not show any kind of unusual behavior with the 7600x like displaying a second CCD or anything so I'm quite sure that the second one is just not used like deactivated or I don't know maybe even disabled broken I don't know but we can only see one CCD also the cache indicates that only a single CCD is used we will now test something and you have to be quite strong watching this footage might be brutal we will find out the system is still up and running but the thing is right now we don't know how strong the like thermal security is on these Amy CPUs if they can catch removing a CPU Cooler so the CPU would run without any buffer Mass we will see okay it was a bit difficult to see in the end while I was moving over with the camera the CCD was hitting about 110 degrees Celsius and then the CPU shut down but it took much longer than I expected even without any buffer mask like no cooler no Heats better nothing just a bit of thermal paste left but it took much longer than I expected I thought it would maybe take like a second but it took almost 10 that is quite impressive and also means that there is a much lower risk even if you would do something completely wrong with the direct air cooling which I think is pretty difficult to do then it still seems to be quite safe this is that the CPU can just shut down in case there is any kind of temperature problem overall though I think it's quite interesting you see that there are 7600x CPUs with two ccds with two chips there could be multiple explanations for this one could be that they did not have enough 7600x or like enough CPUs with a single CCD and they just reused 7900x 7950x fully functional CPUs that's definitely possible that could also mean that theoretically you could maybe unlock these but I'm not sure if that's possible if AMD fused something no idea we can at least tell that only one CCD was working by just judging from the thermal imaging camera footage it could also be that it's just a recycled 7900x or 7950x could be that one CCD is broken or partially damaged and they just repurposed this as a six core 7600x multiple explanations for this still interesting though that the six core we have it's a retail CPU uses two chips and the 8 core CPU uses one chip that's quite obscure it looks good though even though we remove the cooler and almost barbecued our CPU still runs now going back to our products the direct iframe and the leader direct iframe is completely final it's mass production most of them are completely done some of them just need laser engraving and then we also have to do the packaging for the daily dimate it's also final when it comes to just the design they're also in production but since it's a more complex part consists of more parts it just takes longer for production that's why we need a few more weeks until everything will be available like globally also in quick in good quantities otherwise if we just throw like 20 on could doesn't help anyone but I'm also quite confident that all of these products are working reliably because I tested like 13 or 14 ryzen 7000 CPUs deleted them and only this 7700x which we deleted very early that was like six or eight weeks ago I cannot even remember that was even before launch and we used uh like it was revision three deliver now we are at revision seven so whatever cause this is also already fixed and now tested multiple boards tested different coolers and everything just to make sure that everything is working out fine and we're not going to damage any CPUs you might have also seen the lapping tool in Jay's video that's something we did not cover on this channel yet it was also a very early prototype and also with his feedback and also with some things we still want to change we're going to make a different revision maybe also two different revisions to make sure that this is also going to deliver what it's intended for you could also argue probably that if you want to lap your CPU just take any CPU put it on a flat surface and start lapping like grinding totally fine you just have to make sure that you have the proper measurement devices because otherwise if you lab off more than 1.2 millimeter and that's what these like markings are for because if you lap and if you hit these markings then you know this is exactly going to be 1.2 millimeter if you let more than that the CPU I mean that's an Intel board now but the AMD ecpu would sit lower than in this case it's the ilm AMD calls it Sam but if your CPU is sitting lower than that you will have no contact to the cooler and your temperatures are absolutely absolutely going to be terrible that's something you want to avoid that's why we made the lapping tools so those are different things we're working on right now there are more products to come for ryzen 7000 also for the new Intel CPUs and then definitely going to make videos about it going to update you guys thanks for tuning in to the next time bye thank you 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Length: 17min 26sec (1046 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 28 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/DeathKoil]

I agree with one of the YouTube comments. The two chiplet 7600x was likely supposed to be a 7900x but one chiplet was found to have issues, or could not reach the required clocks, so it was disabled.

[u/yimingwuzere]

This is also quite common with the 5800X, and to a lesser extent, the 5600X.

[u/kaszak696]

That was a thing with Zen 3 too. I have double CCD 5800X, and i heard there were 5600X with dubs too.