Unethical Human Experiments That Could Teach Us Much - AskReddit

what sort of language would develop if you raise a dozen infants together in total isolation what's an impossible or unethical experiment that you would like to know the results of find a mostly functioning hobo drug him shave him wash him put him in bed with a woman in a house alarm goes off the woman wakes him up and tells him he's going to be late for work guy goes to work trying to figure out what's going on why does he have a wife and a house all in a completely different city if he asks questions tell him he had a skiing accident last week and was in a coma for two days so things might still be out of whack i've always wanted to chip a group of kids born in all four corners of the u.s and maybe internationally too then track them through life to find out how close they came to meeting each other ideally it's a blind study so not even the researchers know who the subjects are and the only people chipping them would be at the birth in hospital and sworn to an nda i've thought about this a lot pretty much ever since truman show someone replied anecdotal but my family did a version of this great-grandfather and his brother came to the us together but their employer changed the brother's last name they lost touch and his great-grandson dug up the connection we traced it back and the defendants coincidentally moved around within miles of each other ending up in the same town it was pretty trippy giving democrats and republicans identical lands and populations with absolute authority to see if and how their respectively governed societies would rise and fall then measure metrics of the lives for the different types of populations in each society basically what would the world be like and what would those in it think of one party could do what they actually wanted without opposition someone replied they would split into factions and start fighting among themselves the only reason there are only two political parties right now is because all the different factions need to band together to have a chance to win we actually saw this happen in the 1810s one of the main political parties the federalist party completely failed and died out leading to one party rule for a couple of election cycles it was called the era of good feelings because everyone got along politically speaking and cooperated but within five to ten years they had split into competing sub-factions in 1820 there were four major candidates for president all from the same political party and by 1830 we were back to the two-party system again eugenics not based on superficial things such as race eye color etc but based on intelligence strength and immunity i wonder what those humans would be like another take is eugenic compensation as in if you get diagnosed with an inheritable genetic disease you qualify to get compensated in exchange of voluntary sterilization as long as you do not already have any children with the disease this would allow people with inheritable genetic diseases to still have children and also benefit from the scheme as long as they make sure their children are free from the disease someone replied we have an insanely strong handle on breeding dogs those deformities that nearly kill them were put there on purpose because some people thought they were cute if there were zero ethics on human breeding i wouldn't be surprised if people started making cute versions of humans that were a strong wind gust away from death even if it weren't unethical it's a little more complicated than select for the good genes for example high melanin levels protect you from skin cancer in very sunny places like africa but those same melanin levels will give you rickets if you live in a place with no sun like northern europe for this reason people with a lot of genetic diversity tend to be healthier than purebred people someone with a black parent and a white parent probably wouldn't get rickets or skin cancer but if you're trying to breed a genius you probably need to reduce genetic diversity which then might reduce health and strength not only that we don't know that intelligence is all based on the same genes someone might be a musical genius but really bad at learning languages someone else might be able to write a bestseller but can't do math to save their life long story short we just don't understand enough about biology for eugenics to work it's not feasible on every level ethically theoretically and practically select and train children from a very young age for their job as they get older teenagers they can expand to tangential fields of study this works for stem careers and the like not so much for general labor will this produce more or less innovation will they be better equal or worse performers in their fields can a person's limb finger and toe bones be elongated enough to make a human daddy long legs man that's over 12 feet tall if standing upright can a team of trainers shave a gorilla and teach it weightlifting to create the undisputed strongest ape on the planet how many functioning limbs and organs can be added to the human body what's the most a man can poop in one day and not die is there a parasite that can control a person's brain and where is this parasite and how much control does it have if you raise a kid without ever speaking to them letting them watch movies or listen to music with lyrics such that they never hear a single spoken word in any language would they come up with their own would they develop certain specific sounds to refer to everyday objects i remember reading a story and it was about this guy who locked two kids in a room and did the whole no speaking experiment eventually the kids did start making noises they kept bleeding like a sheep because the daft bastard had forgotten to soundproof the cell from outside and it was next to a sheep field create a reality tv show with the premise nine gay men and one straight man are locked in a big brother house if the game and figure out who the straight man is they win the money if the straight man successfully convinces everyone he's gay he wins the money the plot twist is that every man is straight i don't want to prove anything i just want to watch that show i would like to keep a man with zero knowledge about intercourse until he is 40. he was taught that the wiener is for peeing only and people are made in a lab when he gets an erection he would be taught that that is like a sneeze after 40 he would be introduced to lesbianism he would attend lesbian adult film shootings he would be completely naked and would have permission to do whatever he wanted would he discover intercourse would he be aroused who knows someone replied i have heard of stories of some people raised in very religious homes where intercourse is never brought up they eventually get married and people wonder why they don't have kids turns out the couple has no idea what intercourse is what sort of language would develop if you raise like a dozen infants together in total isolation all from completely different ethnic backgrounds i haven't worked out all the details as to how you would you know feed them bathe them etc but the core idea would be that in an isolated area from language and culture what would emerge i was always curious about this but outside of the obvious unethicalness of the study the logistics alone of the study would prove it to be near impossible i would like to see how small changes to cast and crew of famous movies would change the end product sure you could shoot the same movie twice and only change the director but once you shot movie one movie two will be tainted by the experience of filming movie one what about the lead actor producer if adapted from a book how would a different screenwriter change things how messed up would children be if we deliberately taught some of them the wrong things for really basic stuff like teach them the incorrect names for colors and shapes and animals certain numbers have the different values you know things like that i'm playing a small and notably less harmful version of this with my son i've taught him my own notably weirder version of this little piggy song eventually years down the line it's going to come up in conversation and he's going to tell his version to the dismay of all those present establish two colonies on two different worlds both are identical except one is 50 earth gravity and the other is 150 give them 10 generations of reproduction and then examine the differences in the human bodies after that amount of time maybe even take it a step further and breed them to see what kind of children they produce someone replied the people on the 50 gravity planet would be incredibly tall and lanky with lots of bone density issues and muscles that appear to be atrophied they couldn't survive on any other planet other than their own for long periods of time or one that had less the 50 percent earth gravity because they wouldn't be able to hold up their own weight and their hearts would struggle to pump the now heavier blood the people on the 150 earth gravity planet would be shorter and stockier if they survive higher gravity would put a lot of stress on the colonists bodies making any physical labor difficult but if you get several generations to survive there then they would be a lot stronger than normal humans and could probably snap the 50 gravity people in half without issue i'd be curious to see a long-term social experiment basically find four islands of close to equal size and resources maybe in the bahamas or south pacific find equal numbers of people with similar ideologies at the four extreme corners of the political compass authoritarian left authrite libertarian left and libertarian right and deposit them on the four islands with an equal amounts of supplies building materials etc their instructions are to build their own governments and societies on their islands make their own laws govern themselves and develop their islands the first 10 years each island will live in isolation and build their societies the next 10 they are open to contact with each other only but not the outside world they can trade move to the other islands make war etc after 20 years they are all open to contact with the rest of the world and they can leave if they wish i'm curious how they will each thrive what they will build and how each will turn out without opposition from other people not so much which is better or worse because they all have different traits just how they will turn out if each quadrant of the political compass is given complete unopposed control then how they will interact with each other during their contact period and how it will affect each society proper double-blind experiments on the effects of drugs over-the-counter prescription illegal things not thought of as drugs like caffeine and alcohol on fetuses we don't have those studies we have after the fact surveys where mothers report their consumption and doctors examine the baby with all the inherent biases involved with self-reporting and doctors looking for issues we don't have the information needed to tell a pregnant woman whether her depression or her antidepressant is a bigger danger for her baby same with so many medications i think one thing i would want to know is the effect of acid and dmt on the human brain acid has the potential to reprogram the brain to help combat different mental illness behaviors or even just understanding yourself on a deeper physiological level before research was abruptly stopped and all the professors experimenting on grad students were arrested the people doing the research were coming upon astonishing discoveries that are vital for solving many of the neurological problems in modern society i know they are recently using shrooms but if they hadn't stopped the research that were going in the 70s mental illnesses would have been a thing of the past language deprivation experiments i'd be morbidly interested in watching videos of people who are experimentally deprived of language for their entire childhoods especially interesting to me would be the former participants in an experiment who were raised together in a social bubble devoid of all language except for their utterances to each other legend has it such a group of children will organically develop a brand new language from scratch which will have a rich vocabulary and all the features of a fully developed natural human language by the time they've all grown up but be unrelated to any other natural human language don't call it in a priori con long not the same at all studying such former participants in their language could shed a lot of light on exactly what features of human language truly are universal how babies acquire language and what the exact relationship is between words and the qualia they refer to the sapir whorf hypothesis such an experiment would be grossly unethical to the participants as they would be in essence slaves to the experimenters or the equivalent of children born into highly insular and malignant cults if such an experiment has been done or is underway it's under extremely tight secrecy i'd bet the wealthy megalomaniac funding and running it on his private island has arranged for the existence and results of the experiment to not be made public until all involved are dead this is complicated and unrealistic for now but bear with me design and build a helmet that slowly digests the brain of its wearer as it does so it carefully and meticulously records the structure and state of the neurons axons dendrites etc the entire neural network is copied over the life of the digestion process and each step along the way those data are transferred into a computer that maintains a live simulation of everything the process is bidirectional the digestion layer preserves and maintains the connections and activity that existed beforehand sustaining active communication between the simulated neurons and the remaining living neurons in other words informationally speaking there is no measurable change in the active neurology of the subject of the experiment just an increasing proportion of simulated neurological activity wait until the entirety of the brain and its extended nervous system is converted into an actively simulated digital copy of its original form see what happens it'd be profoundly intriguing to investigate the extreme repercussions of social contagion compliance and conformity to an insidiously malignant ideology beyond even the atrocities of the nazis and imperial japan humans individually and as a consensus of their designated group delude themselves with a monopoly on virtue i'd be interested to see how long before defiance and insurrections emerged if said these humans were inculcated with the righteousness of the ideology from infancy they're deprived of moral instruction and edification so i'd like to see if the impulses of true virtue can be exhibited without instructions history reverberates with millions of testimonies to human depravity but even those perpetrators had a moral paradigm that resembled the majority thanks for listening to radio tts hit the subscribe button and activate the notification bell for a free brain eating helmet click the right box for the existential crisis playlist let us know in the comments what you think about these experiments you

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