Tucker: How does bringing in more illegals help the US?

BECAUSE IT’S OBVIOUS. OUR LEADERS SPEND MOST OF THEIR TIME DENYING IT THEY ARE LYING TO US. >> Tucker: A PHOENIX CITY COUNCIL MEMBER RUNNING FOR MAYOR IN THAT CITY AND SHE SUPPORTS THE CONTINUATION OF DACA. SHE JOINS US TONIGHT. THANKS FOR JOINING US. I APPRECIATE IT? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. >> Tucker: SO TRYING TO THINK THROUGH HOW LEGALIZING PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY HELPS AMERICAN CITIZENS AND IN ARIZONA WE HAVE SOME DATA ON THIS BECAUSE IT -- THE STATE PASSED AS YOU KNOW ONE OF THE TOUGHEST ANTI-IMMIGRATION LAWS IN THE COUNTRY IN 2010. AND THE EFFECTS OF THAT HAVE BEEN STUDIED. HERE IS WHAT THEY SHOWED THERE WAS A SHORT-TERM LABOR SHORTAGE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HERE TO WORK, THEY CAN’T WORK. THERE WAS A LABOR SHORTAGE. OVER TIME AUTOMATION MADE UP FOR IT AND WAGES WENT UP FOR AMERICAN WORKERS, COSTS MEANWHILE WENT DOWN. PRISON COSTS WENT DOWN, EDUCATION COSTS WENT DOWN. DRAMATICALLY BY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SO GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THAT WHY DOES IT HELP THE ECONOMY TO LEGALIZE PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY? >> RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. WE HAVE ADDED MORE PEOPLE IN 2016 THAN ANY OTHER CITY AND WE ARE CONSTRAINED BY OUR WORKFORCE RIGHT NOW. WE JUST HAD SOME FOLKS FROM THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY COME INTO THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND SAY WE COULD DO SO MUCH MORE IF WE HAD A LARGER CONSTRUCTION WORKFORCE. WE’LL COULD BE CREATING JOBS. WE COULD BE BUILDING NEW AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. BUT WE DON’T HAVE THE WORKFORCE WE NEED. AND THEY SAID THAT THE POINT THAT THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE IT’S CHANGED WAS NOT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE THROUGH IMMIGRATION. >> Tucker: YEAH. WELL, A LOT OF -- I BET THEY FEEL THAT WAY. NO, A LOT OF EMPLOYERS MAKE THAT CASE AND THEY MEAN IT THEY WANT OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER LABOR. I THINK ALL EMPLOYERS DO. WHY WOULDN’T THEY? BUT, IF THAT’S TRUE, IF MORISM LEGAL IMMIGRANTS MAKE A PLACE RICHER, THEN HOW MANY SPECIFICALLY DO YOU THINK ARIZONA OR PHOENIX NEEDS? HOW MANY ILLEGALS DO YOU NEED IN YOUR CITY TO MAKE IT RICHER? WOULD MORE BE BETTER? HOW ABOUT 10 MILLION? WOULD IT MAKE IT EVEN RICHER? >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE DESPERATELY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR DACA RECIPIENTS WHO ARE IN OUR CITY. ARIZONA HAS 28,000 DACA RECIPIENTS WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO WENT TO OUR HIGH SCHOOLS, WERE EDUCATED HERE. WE HAVE BEEN INVESTING IN THEM FOR YEARS. NOW THEY ARE READY TO GIVE BACK AND WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR FUTURE RIGHT NOW. OUR REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR HAS STEPPED UP AND SAID THEY’RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR ECONOMY. WE WANT THEM TO STAY. >> Tucker: RIGHT. NO BUT YOU JUST SAID, I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE NUMBER OF IT THOUGH BECAUSE I THINK IT’S A BIG DEAL. WOULD YOU LEGALIZE PEOPLE. THEY VOTE, THEY BRING THEIR RELATIVES. IT CHANGES THE PLACE, MAYBE FOR THE BETTER, MAYBE TO THE WORSE. WE SHOULD BE CLEAR ABOUT THE EFFECTS I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE. IF BRINGING IN MORE PEOPLE ILLEGALLY AND MAKING THEM CITIZENS MAKES YOU MORE PROSPEROUS THEN WHY WOULDN’T YOU BRING IN 10 MILLION AND BECOME REALLY REALLY RICH. WOULD THAT WORK? >> IMMIGRANTS HAVE BEEN AMAZING CONTRIBUTORS TO OUR COMMUNITY. >> Tucker: RIGHT? >> IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DATA FROM FORWARD DOT U.S. MARK ZUCKERBERG’S ORGANIZATION. >> Tucker: I BET. >> SO MANY OF THE ENTREPRENEURS WHO BUILT OUR TECH ECONOMY CAME HERE THROUGH IMMIGRATION. AND WE IN PHOENIX ARE DESPERATE FOR MORE PEOPLE IN ENGINEERING AND COMPUTER SCIENCE. >> Tucker: HOW MANY BIG TECH COMPANIES WERE STARTED BY PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA? LATIN AMERICA? >> SO, RIGHT NOW I’M SITTING IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA, VERY CLOSE TO A COMPANY CALLED FOR TIS WHO WAS STARTED BY A GENTLEMAN FROM PANAMA. IT’S ONE OF OUR TOP ENGINEERING COMPANIES IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THINK ACTUALLY ARE ONE OF OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS OF AT RISK VETERANS. A WONDERFUL SUCCESS STORY. >> Tucker: I BET HE IS A GREAT GUY AND THE COMPANY IS GREAT HOW MANY BIG TECH COMPANIES WERE STARTED BY THE IMMIGRANTS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP? HOW MANY? >> IF YOU LOOK WE HAVE SO MANY SUCCESS STORIES IN THIS COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN NATIONAL ATTENTION. >> Tucker: OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO BE -- WITH RESPECT, I’M NOT ATTACKING IMMIGRANTS. I LIKE IMMIGRANTS. I’M SURE A LOT OF THESE BUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, WHO ARE BORN HERE WHO ARE CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE EFFECTS OF THIS. SO HOW MANY IS THE OPTIMUM NUMBER? IF BRINGING IN PEOPLE ILLEGALLY AND MAKES YOU MORE PROSPEROUS WHAT’S THE IDEAL NUMBER WE SHOULD GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO? >> OUR COUNTRY AND OUR COMMUNITY WAS BUILT BY IMMIGRATION. >> Tucker: OKAY YOU ARE NOT. >> WE HAVE SOME STORIES IN THIS COMMUNITY. >> Tucker: STORIES. I AM ASKING FOR FACTS. I THINK IT’S FAIR TO ASK FOR FACTS. RESEARCHER GOT AHOLD OF THE CONVICTION NUMBERS WHICH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAS HIDDEN FROM THE POPULATION BECAUSE IT’S LYING TO THE POPULATION ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF IMMIGRATION AS YOU KNOW. AND HE FOUND THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA WERE MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO COMMIT MURDER AND OVERALL FAR MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES OF ALL KINDS. NOT IMMIGRATION CRIMES BUT VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES. SO GIVEN THAT THOSE ARE FACTS, HOW CAN YOU REASSURE THE RESIDENTS, LEGAL RESIDENTS OF ARIZONA OF ALL BACKGROUND THAT THIS IS GOOD FOR THEM. I DON’T UNDERSTAND. >> WE IN CITIES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY HAVE SEEN GREAT SUCCESS STORIES WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THERE IS TRUST. SO WE HAVE HAD FOLKS WHO DID NOT HAVE LEGAL IMMIGRATION STATUS BUT WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE BEEN VERY IMPORTANT IN HELPING US PARTICULAR WHETHER I DRUG-RELATED CRIMES. >> Tucker: BUT DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE -- DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE REALITY OF WHAT I JUST SAID SO THIS STUDY WHICH GOT AHOLD OF ARIZONA’S STATE NUMBERS, WHICH I THINK ARE LEGITIMATE, SAYS THAT PEOPLE ILLEGALLY IN ARIZONA ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT SERIOUS CRIME. DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT? OR ARE YOU JUST IGNORING IT OR WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? >> SO I JUST RECEIVED THE ARREST AND CRIME DATA FROM THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR 2017 FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX. AND THAT WASN’T WHAT WE FOUND IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. UNFORTUNATELY, VIOLENT CRIME WAS LED BY PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND WHO WERE BORN HERE. >> Tucker: THAT’S NOT THE QUESTION. PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE ILLEGALLY MORE LIKELY OR LESS LIKELY TO COMMIT SERIOUS CRIMES IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. ARE YOU SAYING THEY WERE LESS LIKELY? I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW. >> OUR 2017 NUMBERS TELL A VERY DIFFERENT STORY THAN THE STORY THAT THAT RESEARCHER IS TELLING YOU. >> Tucker: SO YOU ROUX SAYING JUST TO BE CLEAR ARE YOU SAYING HAVE YOU SEEN NUMBERS IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY WERE LESS LIKELY TO COMMIT SERIOUS CRIMES THAN CITIZENS? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? I WANT TO GET YOU ON THE RECORD. >> WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. >> Tucker: OH, YOU ARE SLIPPING OUT OF THE QUESTION. I AM ASKING A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION AND YOU ARE NOT

Channel: Fox News

Views: 1,454,524

Rating: 4.8072596 out of 5

Keywords: Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson Tonight, Immigration, Amnesty, Border Security, Deportation, Enforcement, Illegal Immigrants, Issues, State Local, US Regions, West, Executive Branch, National Interest, On Air, Personality, Politics, Primary US, US, Fox News, News

Id: aFaJKX5zIqY

Length: 6min 32sec (392 seconds)

Published: Mon Jan 22 2018