DID IT. AND THEN THEY APPLAUDED THEMSELVES WHEN THEY WERE DONE. 11 ARIZONA REPUBLICANS MET ON DECEMBER 14th, 2020 AT REPUBLICAN PARTY HEADQUARTERS IN PHOENIX AND SIGNED DOCUMENTS FOR PRESENTING THEMSELVES AS THE DULY ELECTED AND QUALIFIED ELECTORS FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA. THEN THEY TRANSMITTED THIS DOCUMENT TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND TO CONGRESS FOR COUNTING BY VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE ON JANUARY 6th. EVEN THOUGH JOE BIDEN HAD WON ARIZONA BY MORE THAN 10,000 VOTES. AND, YOU KNOW THE REST. TONIGHT, ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL, CHRIS MAYS, HAS INDICTED THOSE 11 FAKE ELECTORS ON FELONY CRIMINAL CHARGES, ALONG WITH SEVEN OTHER CO- CONSPIRATORS AFFILIATED WITH TRUMPS 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. THOSE CO-CONSPIRATORS ARE NAMES THAT WILL BE FAMILIAR TO YOU. ACCORDING TO REPORTING FROM MULTIPLE OUTLETS, THEY ARE MARKED MANOS, TRUMPS FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF, RUDY GIULIANI, JENNA ELLIS, JOHN GN OFFICIALS MIKE ROMAN AND BORIS EPSHTEYN. FIVE OF THESE PEOPLE WERE INDICTED FOR SIMILAR CONDUCT IN THE STATE OF JENNA ELLIS HAS PLEADED GUILTY. THE 11 FAKE ELECTORS WERE RNED RESULT OF THE 2020 ELECTION. THERE ARE ALREADY PROSECUTIONS OF AT LEAST SOME OF THESE FAKE ELECTORS IN THREE OF THE SEVEN STATES INVOLVED IN THE MULTISTATE SCHEME, INCLUDING GEORGIA, MICHIGAN, AND NEVADA. BUT, TONIGHT MARKS THE FIRST TIME THAT CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE BEING BROUGHT IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. >> WE ARE HERE BECAUSE JUSTICE DEMANDS AN ANSWER TO THE EFFORTS THE DEFENDANTS AND OTHER UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATORS ALLEGEDLY TOOK TO UNDERMINE THE WILL OF ARIZONA'S VOTERS DURING THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. ARIZONA'S ELECTION WAS FREE AND FAIR. THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA ELECTED PRESIDENT BIDEN. UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THIS FACT, THE DEFENDANTS CHARGED BY THE STATE GRAND JURY ALLEGEDLY SCHEMED TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL TRANSFER OF THE PRESIDENCY. A STATE GRAND JURY MADE UP OF EVERYDAY REGULAR ARIZONANS HAVE NOW HANDED DOWN FELONY INDICTMENTS FOR ALL 11 REPUBLICAN ELECTORS, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHERS CONNECTED TO THE SCHEME. THESE CHARGES INCLUDE FRAUD, FORGERY, AND CONSPIRACY. THESE CHARGES ARE CLASS TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE FELONIES. THESE ARE SERIOUS INDICTMENTS. >> AS FAR DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF, HE IS NOT CHARGED IN THIS INDICTMENT BUT HE DOES APPEAR AS UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR NUMBER ONE. JOINING ME NOW ARE NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT VON HILLIARD AND LISA RUBIN, MSNBC LEGAL CORRESPONDENT. MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I READ THIS WAS, OKAY, WHO IS GOING TO PAY UP? WE SAW A SIMILAR SCENARIO MINUS 20 1+20 AND WE SAW PLEA DEALS THERE AND I WONDER, THIS IS A FAIRLY, RELATIVELY WIDE NET, 18 PEOPLE IN THIS. IS YOUR EXPECTATIONS SOME OF THEM WILL PLEAD OUT AND BECOME WITNESSES FOR THE STATE ? >> YES, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS ARE ALREADY UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATORS BECAUSE THEY CHOSE IN ADVANCE OF THE INDICTMENT TO COOPERATE, NAMELY, KENNETH CHESBOROUGH. THERE IS NO ROLE FOR CITY POWELL, WHO IS THE PERSON TO HAVE PLAYED OUT IN GEORGIA. ON THE OTHER END, YOU HAVE ALL 11 ARIZONA ALTERNATE OR FAKE ELECTORS INDICTED HERE. CHANCES ARE THAT MORE THAN ONE OF THEM WILL EVENTUALLY PLEAD OUT AND GIVE THEIR COOPERATION. >> IT IS NOTABLE THAT KENNETH CHESEBRO SEEMS TO BE, THIS IS ACCORDING TO SOME REPORTING IN ""THE WASHINGTON POST"," HE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN AN IMPORTANT SOURCE IN ALL OF THIS. I WILL READ AN EXPERT FROM THE POST REPORTED TONIGHT, "CHRIS MAYS HAD BEEN SQUARELY FOCUSED ON LOCAL CONSERVATIVES UP UNTIL LATE LAST YEAR. ARIZONA PROSECUTORS AND INVESTIGATORS MET IN DECEMBER WITH KENNETH CHESEBRO. KENNETH CHESEBRO PROVIDED MAYS TEAM WITH RECORDS, SOME PREVIOUSLY UNSEEN, THAT WE GOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE INVOLVED IN THE ARIZONA EFFORT. AFTER THAT, THEY SAID THE ARIZONA INVESTIGATION WIDENED. " HOW DID SHE DO ABOUT THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE STARTING AT THE TOP, WHICH IS THE INVERSE OF HOW THE DOJ APPROACH THE JANUARY 6th RELATED CONTROVERSIES. >> THE ARIZONA TARGETS WERE THE EASIEST OF TARGETS BECAUSE, AS YOU SAID, ALEX, THEY DID IT OUT IN THE OPEN. THEY WERE TWEETING ABOUT IT, THEY WERE POSTING THE VIDEO OF WHAT THEY DID ON DECEMBER 14th WHEN THEY SIGNED THE CERTIFICATE, THE FAKE CERTIFICATE AND SEND IT TO WASHINGTON, D.C. THESE OTHER SEVEN INDIVIDUALS, THE LIKES OF JOHN EASTMAN, RUDY GIULIANI, CHRISTINA BOBB, THAT ARE STILL REJECTED IN THIS INDICTMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE YET TO BE SERVED HERE, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE FOR TARGETS HERE IN PART OF A GREATER CONSPIRACY THAT IS OUTLINED BY CHRIS MAYS. THIS INVESTIGATION WE REPORTED ON THIS LAST SUMMER AND CLEARLY SHE HAD EASIER TARGETS. SHE COULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THE 11 ELECTORS. CHRIS MAYS CAME INTO OFFICE IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR AND CLEARLY INTENDED TO TARGET AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS CONSPIRACY WAS NOT ONLY A THREAT TO THE 2020 ELECTION BUT ALSO A 2022 ELECTION AND POTENTIALLY FUTURE ELECTIONS AND CLEARLY MADE THE DECISION TO PROCEED AND CAST A WIDER NET. WHAT IS NOTABLE ABOUT HER INDICTMENTS HERE IS THAT THE FACT THAT SHE SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES THE FACT THAT SHE CONTENDS THE 11 ELECTORS, AS WELL AS THESE OTHER SEVEN WHO ARE INDICTED AS WELL, THAT WERE TRUMP ATTORNEYS OR TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS, THEY INTENDED TO DECEIVE THE ARIZONA VOTERS. I WANT TO READ PART OF THIS. "DEFENDANTS DECEIVED THE CITIZENS OF ARIZONA BY FALSELY CLAIMING THOSE VOTES WERE CONTINGENT ONLY ON A LEGAL CHALLENGE THAT WOULD CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. IN REALITY, DEFENDANTS INTENDED THEIR FALSE VOTES FOR TRUMP AND PENCE WOULD ENCOURAGE MIKE PENCE TO REJECT THE BIDEN/HARRIS VOTES ON JANUARY 6th, 2021, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE LEGAL CHALLENGE." I WAS THERE ON THE GROUND AND ARIZONA AS THIS WAS UNFOLDING, ALEX. I CAN TELL YOU I REMEMBER SADISTICALLY HOW THEY WERE MAKING THE CASE THAT THIS IS JUST AN IF IN THE SCENARIO WE ACTUALLY FOUND FRAUD THAT MIKE PENCE COULD THEN GO THIS ROUTE. WHAT CHRIS MAYS IS OUTLINING IN THIS INDICTMENT AND THAT THIS WAS A CONSPIRACY INTENDED FOR ON JANUARY 6th WERE IN THOSE TWO WEEKS TO FOLLOW TWO-SEAT DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT, WHETHER HE ACTUALLY HAD 270 ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES OR NOT. >> WE ACTUALLY, I WAS STRUCK BY THE SAME PASSAGE IN THE INDICTMENT. CAN WE BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN? LISA, THIS SEEMS LEGALLY SIGNIFICANT, THE SORT OF COVER UNDER WHICH THESE FAKE ELECTORS HAVE OPERATED NOT JUST IN ARIZONA BUT IN OTHER STATES. THIS WAS A CONTINGENCY PLAN. SHE DISSEMBLE SLOT DISASSEMBLED THAT IN THE END. >> I THOUGHT THAT THAT PASSAGE ABOUT THE EMAIL SENT FROM UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR FIVE TWO THE PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY IS REALLY DAMMING BECAUSE IT SAYS JUST FYI, I RECALL NOW WAS A RUSH TO FILE OUR PETITION IN ORDER TO GIVE LEGAL COVER FOR THE ELECTORS IN ARIZONA TO VOTE ON THE 14th. THAT EMAIL IS A STUNNING. THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN BEFORE. YOU CAN IDENTIFY FROM OTHER PUBLIC RECORDING WHO THE UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IS. BUT, I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THESE DETAILS. IT IS JUST LIKE MANY OF THE DETAILS IN THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING ON ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS. SO TO IS THIS YOU KNOW THAT'S BEEN OUT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. JUXTAPOSED AGAINST ALL OF THE LITIGATION THAT WAS FILED IN ARIZONA, TO SEE ONE AFTER THE OTHER AFTER THE OTHER FILE AND THEN THIS ADMISSION FROM THE UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR, OH, BY THE WAY, THIS WAS THE COVER. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FILE THIS OTHER LAWSUIT IN ORDER TO GIVE LEGAL COVER TO THE FAKE ELECTORS SCHEME. >> WE ARE GIVING YOU A REASON. >> CORRECT. >> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS IS AN EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE AJI NOT JUST TO SEEK ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 BUT I THINK ENSURE AGAINST FUTURE FRAUDULENT ELECTION BEHAVIOR, YOU POINTED THIS OUT IN THE CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUE CHRIS HAYES LAST HOUR THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVITED ARE STILL VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THE ARIZONA ELECTION INFRA STRUCTURE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT? >> LET'S USE TYLER BOWYER AS AN EXAMPLE. TYLER BOWYER WILL NOT BE A HELPFUL THING TO MOST FOLKS BUT HE IS THE RNC COMMITTEEMAN FROM ARIZONA. HE IS THE ONE THAT AT EVERY RNC MEETING, WINTER MEETING, SUMMER MEETING OF THE HAS THE VOTE FOR ARIZONA. THE CHAIR OF THE PARTY, FOR EXAMPLE. HE IS THE PERSON WHO IS NOT ONLY ONE OF THESE FAKE ELECTORS INDICTED BUT ALSO RNC AMITY MAN BUT HE'S ALSO THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF TURNING POINT USA, WHICH IS THE CHARLIE COOK ORGANIZATION, THE TRUMP ALIGNED ORGANIZATION THAT HAS GARNERED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HAS EFFECTIVELY TAKEN OVER THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY IN RECENT YEARS. TYLER BOWYER, CHARLIE COOK, THEY ARE CLOSE WITH THE LIKES OF KARI LAKE, AND THE OPPONENT TO CHRIS MAYS IN THE AJI RACE AND IS AN ELECTION DENIER. THERE'S BEEN FRUSTRATION WITH INDIVIDUALS LIKE TYLER BOWYER AND KELLI WARD AS WELL WHO CAME IN AND SORT OF HAD THIS REVOLUTION. THEY OUSTED THE LIKES OF JOHN McCAIN, THEY OUSTED JEFF FLAKE. KELLI WARD RAN IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND JEFF FLAKE DROPPED OUT BECAUSE HE WAS LOSING IN POLLING TO KELLI WARD. ALL OF THESE YEARS LATER, THESE FOLKS EFFECTIVELY TOOK OVER THE PARTY, ARE STILL EFFECTIVELY RUNNING THE PARTY, THERE ALLIES ARE THE ONES RUNNING FOR OFFICE HERE AND THERE IS LITTLE IN KARI LAKE'S SENATE RUN HERE IS EVIDENCE OF THIS, IT IS THE SAME ALLIES OF THESE VERY INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ARE NAMING IN THIS INDICTMENT HERE, ALONG WITH FOLKS LIKE BORIS EPSHTEYN, WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS, WHO CONTINUES TO BE THE LEAD COUNSEL ADVISOR, LEGAL ADVISOR FOR DONALD TRUMP'S 2024 CAMPAIGN, ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE GAME. IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF 2020 AS A BYGONE ERA, MAKING GOOD ON TRYING TO BRING JUSTICE TO PAST ACTIONS, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE STILL INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF THE 2024 ELECTIONS. >> TO THAT END, LISA, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS THE HANDSHAKE BETWEEN THE GEORGIA CASE AND THE ARIZONA CASE, GIVEN THE OVERLAPPING DEFENDANTS IN BOTH? THE FACT THAT JENNA ELLIS HAS PLEADED OUT IN GEORGIA, DOES THAT SUGGEST TO YOU SHE WILL PLEAD OUT HERE? WHAT CAN WE MAP FROM GEORGIA ONTO ARIZONA? >> IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY BECAUSE THE FACTS ARE DIFFERENT AND SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS ALSO ARE VERY DIFFERENT. ONE THING THAT STRIKES ME, THOUGH, IS WHO ISN'T HERE AND THAT IS A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WHO IS NOT A DEFENDANT HERE. THAT LEAVES MANY PEOPLE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS AS TO WHY NOT. I WILL VENTURE ONE GUESS. ON THURSDAY, THAT IS TOMORROW, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR TRUMPS PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY ARGUMENT. HE HAS MADE PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY ARGUMENTS NOT ONLY IN THE FEDERAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE BUT ALSO IN THE GEORGIA CASE, ALSO IN THE FLORIDA CASE. ONE REASON CHRIS MAYS MAY NOT HAVE INDICTED DONALD TRUMP HERE IS SHE WANTS TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS ITSELF OUT FIRST AND ALSO GIVE SOME OF THOSE INDICTED A CHANCE TO FLIP AGAINST THE BOSS. >> JUST WHEN YOU
