and in the west from the Walter Cronkite school of journalism at Arizona state university. Geoff: Donald Trump was out of the courtroom and back on the campaign trail today in Wisconsin, but the -- with a familiar refrain about undocumented immigrants. >> We are going to have the largest deportation in the history of our country. Geoff: It was the latest example of policies he would like to implement if elected, and it follows a wide-ranging interview with "Time" magazine that sparked headlines about what he would do in a second term. Lisa Desjardins joins us now. There's an luck in this interview, but let's start with how Donald Trump would staff his administration in what sounds like a litmus test. Lisa: "Time" magazine said this was someone who plans to ramp up and intensified, not soften what he is doing, and that's where we get to 2020. He again reputed the idea that the -- repeated the idea that the election was stolen from him. Though there is plenty of evidence that goes the other way, that the 2020 election was one of the most well regarded and well monitored elections in U.S. History. "Time" magazine are asking people to apply for jobs if they think Joe Biden won the election. I asked former president trump what he thought about the idea, and the interviewer said his response gave him a sharp impression. >> He wants to go into a second term and consolidate power into the office of the presidency so that he can remove the bar -- the guardrails that stood in his way from implementing his agenda the last time he was in office. It seems he would not be inclined to come out and hire anyone who has admitted that Donald Trump last the last election. I think he is planning to fill the most important offices in the executive branch with true believers of the Maga doctrine. >> There's a reason that is called the big lie, because that go to our democracy itself. Here, former president trump is saying, I might not hire anyone who thinks otherwise. I need people to support the idea that only I can win, only I have ever won. >> Another topic, immigration and the border. This has been a cornerstone of his campaign. >> This gets to migrants. He is becoming more militant and more martial in what he is talking about. He's calling for nothing less than the largest deportation in American history. He gave more details, specifically using these numbers, 15 million to 20 million people is what the former president told "Time" magazine. He said he would use local law enforcement and the military, National Guard. Did not get into many details, but was asked specifically about how that reconciles with U.S. Law which says the military cannot be used against civilians. He says of migrants, these are not civilians. These are not people that are legally in our country. He said I can see myself using the National Guard and go a step further. This is invoking obviously Marshall powers we have not really seen in this issue at all. As far as what he have mass detention camps, he said possibly but does not think they are needed. I will say, right now, the U.S. Is allowing more space for migrant detention, something this president and congress are doing, but that is to the tune of a few thousand. He's talking about millions, deportation that almost has no comparison point in terms of forced movement of people in -- on a global scale. >> On abortion, we have seen Donald Trump shift his stance seemingly to match with the kinds of voters he is trying to win over. He has in the past taking credit for overturning roe. Now he says he disagrees with Florida's six-week abortion ban. What is he saying now? >> You are right, this is a tricky issue for this president. On this one, he is consistently saying and it again in this interview, he wants to leave it to the state. That is because his own personal view that he has expressed that a six-week-ban is too far is something that is a problem with those on the right. He was asked some specific questions, and I want to get into if of those that stood out in this interview. He was asked, should states monitor pregnancies to determine if an abortion happened in a state where it is illegal. Trump responded, I think they might do that. Then, should states prosecute women for abortions. He said the states are going to say it is irrelevant, if I'm comfortable or not. Again, this is a consistent states will do what they should do from the president. It's a policy proposal and also political. It is incredibly noticeable, if he is a president who vetoes legislation or not, he is the leader of a Republican party making his statement. This is a picture of a president who is ramping up his aggression or his aggressive tactics as a president, trying to consolidate executive power before he even comes into office. I will say it was a wide-ranging interview. He went into details on economic policy, and his ideas on tariffs, this was not all about cultural hotspots, and it is with people looking at this interview to understand what he says he would do as president, but overall, this is someone who wants to take the Republican party even further into this direction where it must do exactly what he says and be more aggressive about it. He said this could be more of a stress test for Republicans, especially those in office. Geoff: Trump blocks out the sound of all other Republicans in the party. He expect the party will adopt his view, his language, his approach, and he very much demands fealty from leaders inside the party. One of the challenges for a trump presidency will be the idea that an executive equal to the legislative branch is going to be a challenge. Meantime, we have new polling results that look at how and which Americans believe what Donald Trump said. >> Truth is a big part of this, and we wanted to ask voters and Americans. 31% of people we pulled who are definitely planning to vote, 31% said they believe he is speaking mostly the truth. 34% he say he is speaking mostly falsehoods. Those in the middle that we don't put there are those who say sometimes it is some of each, but it's interesting on the two poles that we think 1/3 of Americans believe he speaks mostly the truth. If you look at this more in -depth, you see a gender gap. Men are the ones most likely to believe what former president trump says. Look at that -- 45% of women overall believe he speaks mostly falsehoods, that he does tell lies. One other thing -- how about strengthening democracy or not? We ask voters -- these are definite voters -- what they think about president trump and president Biden. They felt 38% that former president trump is someone who would strengthen democracy if reelected. Look at that, president Biden, 35% would likely strengthen democracy. This is a tricky number because a lot of voters who entered the pole believe that president Biden would keep things as it was, but we wanted to raise this because it shows many definite voters believe trump would strengthen democracy. More believe he would weaken it, but there is a significant core out there who believe he would strengthen it. Geoff: Thank you for joining us. Lisa: You're welcome. ♪♪
