HERE WE GO. LET'S LISTEN. >> GUYS, WE NEED TO GO. WE NEED TO GO. >> OKAY. HERE WE GO. WE HAVE OUR VERDICT, SAVANNAH. COUNT ONE, GUILTY. COUNT TWO, GUILTY. COUNT THREE, GUILTY. COUNT FOUR, GUILTY, COUNT FIVE, GUILTY, COUNT SIX, GUILTY, COUNT SEVEN, GUILTY, COUNT EIGHT, GUILTY. COUNT NINE, GUILTY. COUNT TEN, GUILTY. COUNT 11, GUILTY. COUNT 12, GUILTY. COUNT 13, GUILTY. COUNT 14, GUILTY. COUNT 15, GUILTY. COUNT 16, GUILTY. COUNT 17, GUILTY. COUNT 18, GUILTY. COUNT 19, GUILTY. COUNT 20, GUILTY. COUNT 21, GUILTY. COUNT 22, GUILTY. COUNT 23, GUILTY. I'M PAUSING BECAUSE IT'S COMING IN. COUNT 24, GUILTY. COUNT 25, GUILTY. COUNT 26, GUILTY. COUNT 27, GUILTY. COUNT 28, GUILTY. COUNT 29, GUILTY. COUNT 30, GUILTY. COUNT 31, GUILTY. COUNT 32, GUILTY. COUNT 33, GUILTY. COUNT 34, GUILTY. THAT IS 34 FELONY COUNTS HERE, ALL GUILTY VERDICTS. SAVANNAH AND LESTER, BACK TO YOU. >> A TOTAL VICTORY FOR THE PROSECUTION HERE, LAURA. THE JURORS OBVIOUSLY BOUGHT THE PROSECUTION CASE IN FULL. THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY MIGHT SPLIT THEIR VERDICT TO COMPROMISE IN SOME WAY. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. IT'S A TOTAL REJECTION OF THE DEFENDANT'S CASE, DONALD TRUMP'S CASE, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE SCENE OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE. WE COULD ACTUALLY HEAR IT, LAURA, AS YOU WERE READING THAT VERDICT AND JUST AS YOU'RE DIGESTING IT AND I KNOW YOU'RE KEEPING YOUR EYE ON THE COURTROOM, AS WELL. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS VERDICT? >> SAVANNAH, IT'S A RESOUNDING VICTORY FOR THIS PROSECUTION IN A CASE THEY PITCHED AS SOMETHING FAR GREATER THAN HUSH MONEY. THE WAY THEY TRIED TO CAST THIS CASE WAS ABOUT THE SUBVERSION OF DEMOCRACY AND TODAY THE JURY AGREED WITH THEM, SAVANNAH. THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS TRIED TO CAST THIS AS A POLITICAL PROSECUTION AND A POLITICAL HIT JOB BY AN ELECTED D.A., BY A JUDGE THAT WAS BIAS AGAINST HIM AND THESE 12 JURORS, THESE 12 NEW YORKERS HAVE COME TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION, AN INDEPENDENT CONCLUSION THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS GUILTY OF 34 FELONY COUNTS. YOU CAN HEAR THE CROWD HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS OUT HERE THAT YOU CAN HEAR ARE VERY WORKED UP, AS I WAS READING THE VERDICT. I CAN HEAR THE CROWD EMOTION GROWING BEHIND ME. I'M ONLY A COUPLE OF YARDS AWAY FROM THE AREA THAT YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREENS RIGHT THERE, SORT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AREA, IF YOU WILL, JUST A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM THE PRESS AREA. IT'S BEEN GROWING AS THE DAY WENT ON AND IT'S GROWING AFTER THEY HEARD THAT THE VERDICT WAS COMING IN, A LOT OF EMOTIONS RUNNING VERY HIGH IN THIS CITY RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION YEAR FOR THINGS THAT HE DID THAT THE PROSECUTION SAID HE DID TO TRY TO CORRUPT THE LAST ELECTION AND JUST A REMARKABLE SCENE PLAYING OUT IN LOWER MANHATTAN. >> WE ARE GETTING SOME COLOR FROM THE COURTROOM, TOM WINTER SAYING TRUMP IS LOOKING AT EACH JUROR CRANING HIS HEAD AT TEAMS TO LOOK AT EVERY JUROR. WE ARE GETTING A LOOK AT WHAT THE REACTION HAS BEEN AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN A HOLDING ROOM THROUGHOUT THE TRIAL, FRANKLY, BUT CERTAINLY WAITING AND UNABLE TO LEAVE THE COURTHOUSE AND WAITING FOR THE VERDICT AND WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION. DASHA BURNS, ARE YOU STILL IN THE CROWD THERE? >> WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? LESTER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> LESTER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. THERE'S A LOT OF PASSION IN THIS PARK RIGHT NOW. THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS ALLEGED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT BECAUSE OF THE POLICE PRESENCE HERE THAT THE PROTESTERS, DEMONSTRATORS WEREN'T ABLE TO COME. THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN AND THIS CROWD IS GROWING HERE. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HAPPY ABOUT THIS VERDICT, PEOPLE WHO ARE DEVASTATED ABOUT THIS VERDICT. YOU JUST SAW THIS MAN WITH A PASSIONATE PLEA HERE. I ALSO JUST MET THIS GENTLEMAN. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? >> JEFFREY. >> JEFFREY, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION AS WE ARE ALL JUST TAKING THIS IN RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, WE'RE WATCHING THE LEGAL WORK THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK IN A DEMOCRACY. THREE EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. HE WAS INDICTED BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS. THIS WAS NOT POLITICAL. THIS WAS NOT JOE BIDEN DESPITE THE ALT-RIGHT RHETORIC. IT WAS A GRAND JURY INDICTMENT AND NOW A JURY CONVICTION OF HIS PEERS, AND THIS IS THE LEGAL SYSTEM WORKING AND THIS IS HOW AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO WORK AND I FEEL VERY HAPPY FOR AMERICA. I FEEL VERY HAPPY FOR DEMOCRACY. THIS IS HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. >> JEFFREY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. LESTER, SAVANNAH, BACK TO YOU. >> I EXPECT WE'LL HEAR A LOT OF THAT, A CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS AS A FAIR TRIAL AND A FAIR JUDGMENT OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT. >> NOT FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT HIMSELF, OF COURSE, AS HE HAS WORKED FOR MONTHS TO CAST THIS AS A POLITICAL PERSECUTION AGAINST HIM AND IT'S WORTH TAKING A BEAT HERE, RIGHT? AND RECOGNIZING THAT WHETHER YOU LIKE THIS VERDICT OR NOT, THIS IS AN HISTORIC MOMENT. THIS IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CURRENT PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IN A RAZOR-CLOSE RACE NOW COMING UP IN NOVEMBER THAT HAS BEEN CONVICTED ON THESE 34 COUNTS IN A COURT OF LAW. >> THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POLITICS. I WANT TO GET TO LAURA JARRETT ON A KEY THING THAT VIEWERS ARE WONDERING. WILL HE HAVE TO SERVE ANY JAIL TIME? WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR JAIL TIME AND WHAT IS THE TIMING OF ANY APPEAL? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, SAVANNAH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE PURPOSELY NOT TO TALK ABOUT VERY MUCH DURING THE TRIAL BECAUSE HE WAS ENTITLED TO A PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE AND IT WAS PREMATURE AND HE'S BEEN CONVICTED OF 34 FELONY COUNTS. THESE ARE LOW-LEVEL FELONIES AND HE HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED BEFORE AND SO THE JUDGE WILL DETERMINE THE SENTENCE IN THIS CASE. HE FACES ANYWHERE FROM JUST PROBATION TO UP TO FOUR YEARS IN PRISON. IT FUNCTIONALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT WAS ALL THE SAME. WAS FOR ALL PURPOSES, IT'S NOT STACKED. IT'S FOUR TIMES 34, IT'S JUST FOUR MAX, AGAIN FOR THOSE LOW-LEVEL FELONIES AND THE JUDGE WILL BE THE ONE TO SENTENCE HIM AND HE'LL GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BOTH SIDES ABOUT WHAT AN ADEQUATE AND APPROPRIATE SENTENCE WOULD BE. HE WILL HEAR FROM THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT. ALL OF THIS, GUYS, WILL TAKE MONTHS AND MONTHS. THIS SENTENCE IS NOT GOING TO JUST HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THE JUDGE ACTUALLY MAKING IT VERY CLEAR TO THE JURY THAT THEIR JOB WAS NOT TO CONSIDER THE SENTENCE AT ALL. THAT HAD COME UP IN CLOSING ARGUMENTS, THE LEAD ATTORNEY FOR THE PRESIDENT HAD TRIED TO ARGUE DON'T PUT THIS MAN IN PRISON AND THE JUDGE INTERRUPTED AND SAID NO, NO, NO. THAT'S MY JOB. THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB. SO THE JUDGE WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL BRING EVERYBODY IN IN SEVERAL WEEKS TO DISCUSS SENTENCING, A PLAN FOR SENTENCING AND WE'LL SEE WHERE HE GOES WITH THIS. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT THIS IS A PERSON WHO NOT ONLY IS THE FORMER PRESIDENT, BUT THE CURRENT PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE, AND AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO REALLY UNDERSTAND -- UNDERSCORE, IT'S NECESSARY HOW UNUSUAL THIS IS, THIS IS NOT ANY OTHER CRIMINAL DEFENDANT AS MUCH AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT, HE IS NOT JUST ANY OTHER CRIMINAL DEFENDANT AND THE JUDGE WILL HAVE A REALLY TOUGH SITUATION HERE IN SORT OF BALANCING ALL OF THE COMPETING FACTORS AND MAKING SURE HE'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CASE LAW AND MAKING SURE HE'S PAYING ATTENTION TO ANY PAST PRECEDENT THAT APPLIES TO THESE TYPES OF FELONIES AND THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. THIS WILL TAKE WEEKS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS AND HE'S ENTITLED TO AN APPEAL AND THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE ROAD FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT. THERE IS PLENTY TO APPEAL AND PLENTY OF LEGAL ARGUMENTS. IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO CHALLENGE A JURY VERDICT AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF LEGAL ARGUMENTS IN THIS CASE THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT CAN MARSHALL IN HIS FAVOR IN TERMS OF DOING THAT APPEAL AND TYPICALLY IN THIS KIND OF A CASE YOU WILL HEAR THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYING HE GETS TO STAY OUT OF PRISON WHILE THAT APPEAL GOES ON. SO IT'S NOT AS HE WILL BE BEHIND BARS IN CUSTODY WHILE THAT APPEAL GOES ON. >> HAS THE JUDGE MADE MANY ACCOMMODATIONS THAT A, THIS IS A FORM PRESIDENT AND A PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE FOR HIS PARTY? >> YES, IN ONE BIG WAY, LESTER, IN THE BIGGEST WAY HE HAD TEN SEPARATE VIOLATIONS OF A GAG ORDER. HE WAS ORDERED NOT TO ATTACK WITNESSES AND THE JUDGE FOUND HIM IN CONTEMPT OF COURT TEN DIFFERENT TIMES. I SAY THAT BECAUSE ANY OTHER DEFENDANT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOUNT THE FINE HE FACED FOR THAT AND ANY OTHER DEFENDANT WOULD HAVE FACED JAIL TIME. THE JUDGE WENT ON TO SAY PLEASE DON'T DO THIS I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU IN PRISON IF YOU CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THE GAG ORDER THE GAG ORDER WILL BE IN PLACE THROUGH SENTENCING, AND AS OF THIS MOMENT HE IS STILL UNDER THAT GAG ORDER, LESTER. >> A COUPLE OF NOTES FROM THE COURTROOM WHILE WE WERE TALKING, THE DEFENSE HAS MADE A MOTION FOR ACQUITTAL ARGUING THAT THE JURY MUST HAVE RELIED OF MICHAEL COHEN'S TESTIMONY SOLELY. THAT MOTION ALREADY DENIED BY THE JUDGE. THAT'S THE SCENE OUTSIDE AS THE CROWD GROWS, OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE. I WANT TO GO TO HALLIE JACKSON. YOU SAID IT VERY STARKLY, DONALD TRUMP CONVICTED FELON, CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. THE X FACTOR, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS HOW THIS WILL PLAY, WHETHER IT HURS HIM IN THE UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OR WHETHER IT HELPS HIM BECAUSE ASPECTS OF THIS HAVE CERTAINLY HELPED HIM IN THE PRIMARY RACE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION MARK AS TO HOW IT WOULD AFFECT HIM IN THE GENERAL ELECTION AND WE HAVE SEEN POLL NUMBERS SUGGESTING TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS SAYING EVEN IF HE WERE TO BE CONVICTED, AS WE KNOW HE HAS BEEN, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THEIR VOTE. THEY WOULD STILL VOTE THE SAME WAY. TEN% TO 25% OF INDEPENDENTS SUGGESTED IT MAY MAKE THEM LESS LIKELY TO VOTE FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT. STILL, SAVANNAH, A HYPOTHETICAL IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE REALITY THAT WE NOW FACE. LET ME POINT SOMETHING OUT HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY HAVE THIS QUESTION. CAN DONALD TRUMP STILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT EVEN THOUGH HE'S STILL CONVICTED? HE SURE CAN. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT PROHIBITS HIM UNLESS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WERE TO SAY WE DON'T WANT YOU AS OUR NOMINEE ANYMORE. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING FROM THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, MIKE JOHNSON CALLING THIS ESSENTIALLY A SHAMEFUL DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY, DESCRIBING WHAT HE SEES AS THE WEAPONIZATION OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. THIS IS SOMEONE WHO SHOWED UP IN COURT WHILE DONALD TRUMP WAS IN TRIAL. >> THE JUDGE HAS JUST ANNOUNCED A SENTENCING DAY. LET'S GO BACK TO LAURA FOR THAT. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? >> YEAH, GUYS. IT'S INTERESTING. THIS CAME UP RIGHT AWAY AND THE PROSECUTION MADE A SUGGESTION ABOUT SENTENCING AND THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY MADE A SUGGESTION ASKING FOR A SENTENCING IN MID TO LATE JULY. THE FORMER PRESIDENT FACES OTHER CHARGES AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND REMEMBER, THIS IS ONE OF FOUR DIFFERENT CRIMINAL CASES AND PERHAPS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL REACH A CONCLUSION BEFORE ELECTION DAY AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S LAWYER POINTING TO THAT AS A REASON TO PUT OFF SENTENCING FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND SENTENCING WILL BE ON JULY 11th, GUYS. JULY 11th AT 10:00 A.M. THE FORMER PRESIDENT WILL FACE SENTENCING. THE PEOPLE AND THE DEFENSE WILL PUT IN MOTIONS AND BRIEFS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THE APPROPRIATE SENTENCING WILL DO -- OR WHAT AN APPROPRIATE SENTENCE WOULD ACCOMPLISH AND IT'S INTERESTING. THEY'RE NOT DISCUSSING ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF RELEASE QUITE YET. I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT BEFORE I DELVE INTO THAT, GUYS. FOR RIGHT NOW, JULY 11th IS SENTENCING. >> AND HIS BAIL CONTINUES, LAURA. HE'S OUT OF COURT AND HE'LL BE FREE OF BAIL. >> I THINK WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST GLIMPSE OF MR. TRUMP FROM BEHIND THE GLASS AND HE DARTED BACK BEHIND, BUT ERIC TRUMP IS HERE. THIS IS, AGAIN, THE CAMERA THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING EVERY DAY AND THE ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE AND REMARKS FROM FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND WE BELIEVE HE IS IN THIS GROUP HERE, AND WE WOULD GUESS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER HE'LL ADDRESS THE CAMERAS. >> MR. TRUMP, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? [ INAUDIBLE QUESTION ] >> ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT GOING TO JAIL? >> THIS WAS A DISGRACE. THIS WAS A RIGGED TRIAL BY A CONFLICTED JUDGE WHO WAS CORRUPT. IT'S A RIGGED TRIAL, A DISGRACE. THEY WOULD NOT GIVE US A VENUE CHANGE. WE WERE AT 5% OR 6% IN THIS DISTRICT, IN THIS AREA. THIS WAS A RIGGED, DISGRACEFUL TRIAL. THE REAL VERDICT IS GOING TO BE NOVEMBER 5th BY THE PEOPLE AND THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED HERE. YOU HAVE A SOROS-BACKED D.A. AND THE WHOLE THING, WE DIDN'T DO A THING WRONG. I'M A VERY INNOCENT MAN, AND IT'S OKAY. I'M FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY. I'M FIGHTING FOR OUR CONSTITUTION. OUR WHOLE COUNTRY IS BEING RIGGED RIGHT NOW. THIS WAS DONE BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN ORDER TO WOUND OR HURT AN OPPONENT, A POLITICAL OPPONENT, AND I THINK OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE TO HELL. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME COUNTRY ANYMORE. WE HAVE A DIVIDED MESS. WE'RE A NATION IN SERIOUS DECLINE, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW FROM PRISONS AND FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, TERRORISTS AND THEY'RE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY. WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT'S IN BIG TROUBLE, BUT THIS WAS A RIGGED DECISION RIGHT FROM DAY ONE WITH A CONFLICTED JUDGE THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO TRY THIS CASE. NEVER. WE WILL FIGHT FOR OUR CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THE FORMER PRESIDENT NOW ABOUT TO LEAVE THE COURTHOUSE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD DURING OTHER APPEARANCES AT THE COURTHOUSE AND DURING THE APPEARANCES AT THE RALLIES. >> THE DEMEANOR, GRIM AND ANGRY AND CLEARLY THE WEIGHT OF THIS IS UPON HIM AND HE SAID SOMETHING SO INTERESTING, HALLIE. HE SAID THE REAL VERDICT WILL COME NOVEMBER 5th, AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT HE IS RIGHT BECAUSE FOR THOSE WHO WERE THINKING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME LEGAL RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD TRUMP WILL EVER SEE THE OVAL OFFICE AGAIN, THIS CASE IS LIKELY NOT IT. AS YOU JUST MENTIONED. >> RIGHT. >> YOU CAN BE A CONVICTED FELON AND RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU CAN BE A CONVICTED FELON AND SERVE AS PRESIDENT. SO THE REAL VERDICT IN TERMS OF THE POLITICS IS NOVEMBER 5th. HE ALSO SAID, I JUST WANT TO SAY POINT OF FACT THAT THIS WAS A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HIT JOB ON HIM. THIS IS A STATE PROSECUTION. THE D.A. HERE, ALVIN BRAGG IS CERTAINLY NO FAN OF MR. TRUMP AND YOU CAN'T SAY THERE'S NO POLITICS IN IT, BUT THIS IS NOT A FEDERAL BIDEN ADMINISTRATION PROSECUTION. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS GONE TO NOTABLE LENGTHS TO DISTANCING SPECIFICS TO COMMENTING ON THE TRIAL AND THAT CAUGHT MY EAR, TOO, THAT THE REAL VERDICT WILL BE IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE THAT WILL BE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RALLYING CRY UNTIL THIS ELECTION TAKES PLACE BECAUSE HE SEES IT AS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO RALLY PEOPLE AROUND HIM HERE. IT IS NOTABLE HERE THAT HE'S COMING OUT. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT IT IS A FAIRLY SHORT STATEMENT. LISTEN, HAVING COVERED HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR MANY YEARS, HE UNDERSTANDS THE POWERS OF A TELEVISION CAMERA UPON HIM AND HOW TO REACT IN FRONT OF THE TELEVISION CAMERA. HE DIDN'T GO ON IN 25 MINUTES AND HE COULD HAVE, ON THE SENTENCING DATE, SAVANNAH, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS PIECE, IT IS FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE START OF THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO OFFICIALLY TAKE THE NOMINATION FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND IT IS ALSO ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF HIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL PICK. HE HAS SUGGESTED HE WILL DO THAT IN EARLY JULY RIGHT BEFORE THE CONVENTION. WHAT A COLLISION OF THE CAMPAIGN AND THE LEGAL PROBLEMS THAT HE FACES. >> LET ME ASK DANNY A QUESTION BECAUSE SAY THE JUDGE DID GIVE HIM JAIL TIME ON JULY 11th? WOULD HE BE REMANDED RIGHT THEN AND THERE TO THE STATE PRISON AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE CONVENTION AND THE CAMPAIGN? >> FIRST OF ALL, THE ISSUE OF PRISON IS AN ISSUE THAT THE SECRET SERVICE HAS BEEN VERY QUIET ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD INCARCERATE A FORMER PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND THAT WILL FACTOR IN TO THE JUDGE'S DECISION. I THINK IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A SENTENCE OF IMPRISONMENT. WE MAY HAVE BEEN OVER THIS, IT'S CLASS E FELONY, AGE OF THE OFFENDER, NO GUN, NO DRUGS AND NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN HERE. IN MOST JURISDICTIONS YOU GET A TURN-IN DATE AND IT ACTUALLY HELPS YOU WITH YOUR SENTENCE. HERE IN NEW YORK IT'S UNCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THE JUDGE WOULD REMAND HIM RIGHT AWAY, BUT THE ODDS OF HIM BEING IMPRISONED ON THIS CLASS E FELONY, WHICH IS THE LOWEST LEVEL FELONY FOR A NON-VIOLENT, FIRST-TIME OFFENDER OF HIS AGE, VERY UNLIKELY. >> JUDGE MERCHAN CERTAINLY KNOWS THAT AND HE WANTS TO BEND OVER BACKWARD SAYING I'M NOT TREATING THIS DEFENDANT ANY DIFFERENTLY ALTHOUGH WHAT LAURA MENTIONED WOULD HAVE LANDED EVERYONE ELSE IN HOT WATER. >> HIS TWO FEDERAL CRIMINAL CASES, IT WILL NOW AFFECT HIS CRIMINAL HISTORY CATEGORY. SO SENTENCING IN FEDERAL COURT AND I'M JUMPING THE GUN GUN ASSUMING THERE IS A CONVICTION IN FEDERAL CASES IS A FUNK OF THE FUNCTION OF THE GRAVITY OF THE OFFENSE. >> HE HAS BEEN FOUND GUILTY IN THIS MANHATTAN AND THIS STATE CASE AND ONE REGARDING EFFORTS TO SUBVERT THE ELECTION IN 2020 AND JANUARY 6th, THE OTHER HAVING TO DO WITH HOLDING ON TO CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT IS NOT EXPECTED THAT ANY OF THOSE CASES WILL PROCEED TO TRIAL BEFORE ELECTION DAY. >> AND MORE THAN THAT, THERE IS A STRONG PROBABILITY THAT ANY OF THE TWO CASES WHEN HE'S INAUGURATED THEY WILL EITHER DISAPPEAR AND HE WILL APPOINT A ATTORNEY GENERAL FAVORABLE TO HIM AND THEY WILL DISMISS THE CASES AND HE MAY ATTEMPT A SELF-PARDON WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT WORK. >> IF BIDEN WINS, THEY WILL CONTINUE AND HE'S A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT LEADS. >> HE IS NOT A CONVICTED FELON UNTIL SENTENCED? >> HE IS TECHNICALLY A FELON NOW, BUT THE TRIAL COURT END OF THE CASE IS UPON THE SENTENCE AND THEN YOU FILE YOUR NOTICE OF APPEAL AND THEN YOU ARE CONSIDERED A FELON DURING THE APPELLATE OF THAT, AND WHILE YOUR CASE IS ON APPEAL A VERY FAMOUS, AARON HERNANDEZ DIED WHILE HIS CASE WAS ON APPEAL AND UNDER MASSACHUSETTS LAW THAT RESULTED IN HIM NOT HAVING A CRIMINAL HISTORY. THAT IS THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE NORM. >> AS WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER LEGAL ISSUES THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT FACES, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO LAY OUT THE TIME LINE, THE NEXT ONE WE ARE WATCHING CLOSELY IS THE FEDERAL ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE BECAUSE WE ARE AWAITING FOR THE DECISION FROM THE SUPREME COURT AT SOME POINT PROBABLY BY THE END OF JUNE BEFORE THEIR TERM ENDS WHEN THEY WILL DECIDE ON THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S CLAIM OF IMMUNITY ON THAT CASE. THERE'S THE FLORIDA FEDERAL CASE ON THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE TAKEN TO MAR-A-LAGO AFTER THE PRESIDENT'S STAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE. THE NEXT DATE IS JULY. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ONE IS CLOSE TO BEGINNING AT THIS POINT AND THE STATE CASE IN GEORGIA, THE FULTON COUNTY ELECTIONS INTERFERENCE CASE. NEXT HEARING IN AUGUST IS ON THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S APPEAL REGARDING THE PROSECUTOR IN THAT CASE, FANI WILLIS AND WHETHER SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST HIM. THIS IS THE CASE, IF PEOPLE THOUGHT IF IT COULD BE WOULD BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO THE ELECTION AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. >> LET'S BRING IN SOMEONE WHO WORKED FOR THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE. HOGAN, GIVE ME YOUR NATIONAL THOUGHTS? >> SOMEONE I WORKED WITH FOR A LONG TIME ACTUALLY ON THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT WAS A MAN NAMED ALAN DERSHOWITZ WHOM YOU KNOW VERY WELL. HE SAID ONE OF THE THINGS HE WAS MOST CONCERNEDED ABOUT IN THE MATTERS WITH DONALD TRUMP WAS THE VENUE. DONALD TRUMP ALLUDED TO IT IN HIS COMMENTS THERE. YOU HIT ON SOME OF THEM WHERE HE POINTED OUT THE REAL VERDICT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 5th AND COULDN'T GET A FAIR TRIAL AND THE VENUE WAS A PROBLEM. HE ALSO SAID THIS IS FAR FROM OVER. I THINK THAT'S VERY POIGNANT FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS JUST WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE, AND I KNOW SAVANNAH, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU USED TO BE A REPORTER AT COURT TV AND I THINK YOU WERE AN ATTORNEY, AS I RECALL, AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY OTHER CASE WHERE YOU WOULD ALLOW A DEFENDANT TO STAND TRIAL FOR A MONTH AND NO ONE WOULD TELL YOU WHAT YOU WERE ACCUSED OF UNTIL THE LAST PART OF THE CLOSING ARGUMENTS. THE WHOLE THING ON ITS FACE, IN MY OPINION, IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL JOKE. NOW WHAT THE LEFT HAS GOTTEN IN THIS VERDICT IS EXACTLY WHEN THEY WANTED. YES, THAT WANTED TO BLEED HIM DRY FINANCIALLY AND YES THEY WANTED TO KEEP HIM OFF THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CALL HIM A CONVICTED FELON AND THIS IS PURELY POLITICAL AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN JOE BIDEN HIMSELF WILL ADDRESS THIS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ELEVATING THIS AND SHOWING SOME OF THE RAMPANT POLITICS AROUND THESE PROCEEDINGS. >> HOGAN, JUST A POINT OF CORRECTION THERE. OF COURSE, THE FORMER PRESIDENT KNOWS VERY WELL WHAT THE CHARGES ARE AGAINST HIM. THEY WERE LAID OUT IN A 34-COUNT INDICTMENT AND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHICH IS A FAIR POINT IS SOME OF THE UNDERLYING CRIMES THAT ARE THE GIRDING AND THE FOUNDATION OF THOSE CHARGES WHICH ARE CLEARLY DELINEATED, THOSE WERE NOT REALLY DELINEATED UNTIL THE FINAL HOUR IN CLOSING ARGUMENTS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. >> AND HOW DO YOU MOUNT A DEFENSE? >> THERE WERE ASPECTS THAT CAME OUT DURING THE TRIAL AND BY THE WAY, THE DEFENSE DID RESPOND TO THEM IN THE TRIAL. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING POLITICALLY HERE AND AS HOGAN HAS BROUGHT UP, FOR EXAMPLE, PRESIDENT BIDEN IN JUST THE LAST MINUTE HE HAS TWEETED FROM HIS CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT, THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE, AT THE BALLOT BOX. >> NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING THE VERDICT AND NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING THE CONVICTS FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT, BUT INTERESTING, SAVANNAH AND LESTER, BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN ARE SAYING IT ALL COMES DOWN TO NOVEMBER. ON THAT THESE TWO AGREE. >> NO QUESTION, AND I THINK THERE WERE PARTISANS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT FANS OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT WHO WE WERE HOPING THERE WOULD BE A LEGAL RESOLUTION TO WHAT THEY PERCEIVE IS A POLITICAL PROBLEM. THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ALTHOUGH WE WILL SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE JUDGE MAR CHAN, AND AGAIN, AS EXTRAORDINARY AS IT IS OUR CONSTITUTION HAS VERY FEW REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY TO BE PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE TO BE 35 YEARS OLD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR 10 YEARS AND A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. THEY WANTED THE VOTERS TO DECIDE. THEY WANTED THE VOTERS TO SAY THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR US FOR PRESIDENT AND THIS IS FINE AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THIS ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. WHAT WE ARE SEEING, TOO, FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS THIS PIVOT TO A DEGREE OR AT LEAST A SHIFT TO WHAT A SENIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL HAD TOLD ME WITHIN THE LAST 72 HOURS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. ONCE THIS TRIAL ENDS, REMIND PEOPLE THAT THIS IS IN THEIR VIEW, A STARK AND CLEAR CHOICE BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN THE STATEMENT FROM THE BIDEN-HARRIS CAMPAIGN, THROUGH A SPOKESPERSON. IT IS NOT FROM THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT SAYING TODAY'S VERDICT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FACE A SIMPLE REALITY. THERE IS STILL ONLY ONE WAY TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE, AT THE BALLOT BOX. DONALD TRUMP, AGAIN FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, MISTAKENLY BELIEVED HE WOULD NEVER FACE CONSEQUENCES FOR BREAKING THE LAW FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN. OBVIOUSLY, THE LEGAL ISSUES FOLD INTO WHAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WILL PRESS AS A CHARACTER CASE AGAINST THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT WILL USE HIS LEGAL ISSUES AND NOT JUST THIS ONE AND THE OTHERS, AS WELL TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT'S A VICTIM. >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING THAT HOGAN SAID, FAIR POINT AND HE SAID THE LEFT AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL USE THIS POLITICALLY, PERHAPS THEY WILL, BUT CERTAINLY DONALD TRUMP HAS USED IT POLITICALLY TO HIS ADVANTAGE, I MIGHT ADD. >> HE RAISED $360,000 AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL FROM SMALL DONORS ON THIS TRIAL ALONE BASED ON FUND-RAISING APPEALS AND HE HAS ANOTHER ONE OUT TONIGHT FROM THE CAMPAIGN WHERE HE CALLS HIMSELF A POLITICAL PRISONERS AND IT'S HIM WITH A PHASED FIST. IT'S BEGUN ALREADY. >> LET'S GO TO KELLY O'DONNELL AT THE WHITE HOUSE. WE KNOW THE PRESIDENT IN RECENT WEEKS HAS BEEN MORE WILLING TO TAKE JABS AND MOCK MR. TRUMP. WE SAW THE TWEET OR THE X, IF YOU WILL, DO WE EXPECT THE PRESIDENT TO MAKE REMARKS ABOUT HEALING, ABOUT THE COURT SYSTEM, ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS SURROUNDING THIS? >> IN TIME, THAT IS LIKELY, LESTER, BUT IT IS JUST A STRANGE MOMENT OF TIMING THAT TODAY IS THE NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DEATH OF BEAU BIDEN, THE PRESIDENT'S SON. HE IS AWAY IN REHOBOTH WITH FAMILY MARKING THAT DAY AND THE GUIDANCE THAT WE HAVE IS THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE OFFICIAL ROLE SEPARATE FROM THE CAMPAIGN WOULD EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTING THE RULE OF LAW, AND INEVITABLY THE PRESIDENT WILL BE ASKED ABOUT THE VERDICTS AND WHAT THIS WILL MEAN FOR THE ELECTION AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE COUNTRY AND THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE IN THE DAYS AHEAD, BUT RIGHT NOW HE IS WITH FAMILY AT THEIR HOME IN DELAWARE AND FOCUSED ON THE LOSS THEY SUFFERED NINE YEARS AGO. SO THE SORT OF STRANGE TWIST OF HISTORY, THE DEATH OF HIS SON AND ENCOURAGING HIM TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN 2020 AND ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF BEAU BIDEN'S DEATH TO HAVE A VERDICT IN THE NEW YORK TRIALS OF DONALD TRUMP IS JUST ONE OF THOSE STRANGE COINCIDENCES THAT BRINGS SO MUCH OF THIS INTO FOCUS ABOUT THE LARGER CONTEXT. SO WE EXPECT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WILL ULTIMATELY SUPPORT THE RULE OF LAW AND SUPPORT THE JURY'S VERDICT. AT THE MOMENT, IT IS THE CAMPAIGN THAT IS SPEAKING IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE RESPONDING AND AGAIN, POINTING TO NOVEMBER AND THE CHOICE THAT AMERICANS NEED TO MAKE. THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS AND A PAYMENT THAT HALLIE ALLUDED TO TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS IS A CHOICE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> KELLY, LET ME JUST JUMP IN FOR A SECOND AND I WANT TO GO OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE, TOM WINTER IS WITH NBC AND HE JOINS US WITH OUR CORRESPONDENT, LAURA JARRETT. TOM, THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE TENSION IN A COURTROOM RIGHT BEFORE A VERDICT IS READ. TELL US WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THERE AND WHETHER THE JURORS LOOKED AT THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND ANY OTHER COLOR YOU CAN PROVIDE FROM THE COURTROOM. >> SURE. WELL, IT WAS REALLY A 180 IN WHAT OCCURRED. THE JUDGE BROUGHT US IN. THE PROSECUTION JUST SHOWED UP. WE DID NOT HEAR A BELL, IT'S A 1960s, ROTARY-STYLE BELL WHEN THE JURY HAS SOMETHING TO TELL THE COURT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING OVER THE PAST DAY OR SO. THE PROSECUTION COMES IN AND DONALD TRUMP COMES IN AND HE SAID LOOK, IT IS MY INTENTION TO LET THE JURY GO AT 4:30 AND FIVE OR SIX MINUTES PAST THAT, HE SAYS WE RECEIVED A NOTE FROM THE JURY AT 4:20 SAYING THEY REACHED A VERDICT AND 20 MINUTES OR SO TO GO THROUGH THE PAPERWORK TO GO COUNT BY COUNT AND ITEM BY ITEM. AT THAT POINT THE MOOD IN THE COURT COMPLETELY CHANGE AND YOU CAN HEAR THE AIR-CONDITIONING SYSTEM OVER KEYBOARD STROKES FROM REPORTERS IN THE COURTROOM AND THE TENSION BUILT RIGHTER TO THAT. THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WERE TALKING AS IF THE DAY WAS OVER AND THEY WERE LAUGHING WITH EACH OTHER AND COVERING THEIR MOUTHS SO THAT THE CAMERAS IN THE OVERFLOW WEREN'T SEEING AND THE FOCUS WAS THE DAY IS DONE AND IMMEDIATELY THE GRAVITY OF THE MOMENT STRUCK EVERYBODY IN THE COURTROOM, THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE AND YOU SAW A REAL CHANGE AT THE DEFENSE TABLE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS REALLY IT. TO YOUR POINT, SAVANNAH, I NOTICED THE JURORS AND I DID NOT NOTICE ALL OF THEM COMING IN JUST THE WAY THAT THE COURTROOM WAS SET UP, BUT I DID NOT SEE ANY OF THEM MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH DONALD TRUMP PRIOR TO THE VERDICT BEINGED HAVE. I DID NOT SEE THEM MAKING EYE CONTACT WITH THE PROSECUTION EITHER. AT THAT POINT THE JUDGE ASKED THE JURY FOREPERSON HAVE YOU REACHED A VERDICT WITHOUT TELLING ME? HE SAID YES. THEY HANDED HIM A HANDHELD MIKE WHICH ALLOWED US TO HEAR WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY AND THEY WENT COUNT BY COUNT. WE'VE BEEN STRONGLY ADMONISHED BY THE COURT SECURITY OFFICERS AND THEY DIDN'T WANT OUTBURSTS OF ANY TYPE. ONCEHE JURY WAS POLLED, WHICH AS YOU KNOW IS THE MOMENT WHERE THE JUDGE AND THE COURT ASKED EACH INDIVIDUAL JUROR IF WHAT THE FOREPERSON READ WAS ACCURATE AND THEY SAID YES, AND AT THAT POINT THEY WERE LED OUT AND IT DID NOT APPEAR TO BE SIGNIFICANT EYE CONTACT THERE EITHER AND THERE WERE JURORS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE TRIAL, AS YOU KNOW ARE MORE ANIMATED THAN OTHERS AND SOME TAKE MORE NOTES THAN OTHERS AND THOSE THAT WERE MORE ANIMATED, I DIDN'T DETECT ANY TELLING OF WHAT THE VERDICT WOULD BE PRIOR TO IT BEING READ. OBVIOUSLY, A QUICK TURN OF EVENTS PUTTING ALL OF THIS IN PERSPECTIVE. FOR YEARS GOING BACK TO SEPTEMBER 2019, WHEN THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ASKED FOR DONALD TRUMP'S TAX RECORDS, ASKED FOR HIS FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS. THE TWO SUPREME COURT BATTLES THAT FOLLOWED ALL THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC UP UNTIL THE POINT WHEN THEY GOT THOSE DOCUMENTS. AT THAT POINT THERE, SAVANNAH, THIS CASE KIND OF MOVED FORWARD SLOWLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIT OF A CHANGE HERE AT THE OFFICE. THERE WAS AN ELECTION AND A DIFFERENT DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AS YOU KNOW, THAT CAME IN AND TOOK OFFICE AND THE PLAN OF ATTACK, IF YOU WILL, FOR THIS INVESTIGATIONS AND CASE CHANGED AFTER THAT POINT AND EVENTUALLY WE GOT THE CHARGES THAT WE GOT TODAY AND APPROXIMATELY A YEAR LATER AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERDICT. WHERE THIS GOES FROM HERE HAS BEEN SO OFTEN THE QUESTION INVOLVING INVESTIGATIONS SURROUNDING DONALD TRUMP FOR THE PAST SIX, SEVEN YEARS OR SO. TODAY THIS IS KIND OF A BIG MOMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER THAT THERE WILL BE ANY SORT OF ONGOING CRIMINAL JEOPARDY FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE GOING FORWARD. NONE FOR THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND NO INDICATION THEY'RE DOING ADDITIONAL WORK AND NO INDICATION THAT THE FEDERAL PROSECUTOR ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM ME AND THE FBI TWO BLOCKS FROM ME ARE DOING ANY SORT OF INVESTIGATION INVOLVING THE FORMER PRESIDENT AS IT PERTAINS OR HAS A NEXUS TO NEW YORK. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE OTHER CASES THAT YOU WELL KNOW ABOUT -- >> TOM -- >> IT IS A BIG MOMENT AND A PERIOD OF A NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIONS GOING BACK TO THE MICHAEL COHEN GUILTY PLEA IN FEDERAL COURT THAT SURROUNDED ALL OF THE CONDUCT IN THIS CASE, SO NOW WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHERE THOSE OTHER TWO CASES GO, BUT AS FAR AS THING GOES FROM HERE IN HIS HOMETOWN WHERE SO MUCH OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS ORIGINATED FROM OR INVOLVED INCLUDING THE
