>>> WELCOME BACK. AT HIS RALLY IN LAS VEGAS YESTERDAY, DONALD TRUMP ONCE AGAIN SUGGESTED THAT HE WOULD PARDON THE JANUARY 6th INSURRECTIONISTS IN A SECOND TERM. HE DEEMED THOSE INSURRECTIONISTS HOSTAGES, VICTIMS, AND WARRIORS. HE ALSO ACCUSED THE CAPITOL POLICE, MANY OF WHOM WERE BRUTALIZED DURING THE ATTACK, OF SETTING UP THE RIOTERS TO BE ARRESTED. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK VERY STRONGLY AT J-6, THOSE PEOPLE. THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN PEOPLE TREATED MORE HORRIFICALLY THAN J-6 HOSTAGES. THE J-6 WARRIORS WERE VICTIMS OF WHAT HAPPENED. ALL THEY WERE DOING IS PROTESTING A RIGGED ELECTION. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEN THE POLICE SAY, "GO IN, GO IN, GO IN. GO ON IN, EVERYBODY. GO ON IN." WHAT A SETUP THAT WAS. WHAT A HORRIBLE -- >> JOINING US NOW, THE HOST OF THE PODCAST "ON BRAND WITH DONNY DEUTSCH," DONNY DEUTSCH MAKING HIS "WAY TOO EARLY" DEBUT. WE'LL HAVE HIM BACK FREQUENTLY. >> 15 YEARS ON "MORNING JOE," MAKING MY WAY. >> APPRECIATE IT. MADE THE BIG TIME. DONNY, LET'S START WITH DONALD TRUMP. THIS IS NOT A NEW REFRAIN, HIM PRAISING THE JANUARY 6th INSURRECTIONISTS. NOW, CALLING THEM HEROS AND CONTRASTING THEM WITH THE CAPITOL POLICE, JUST A NEW LOW. >> ALSO USING THE WORD HOSTAGES, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN ISRAEL. WE HAVE HOSTAGES, AND WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL AND SADLY. TO CALL THEM HOSTAGES IS RIDICULOUS. J-6 IS NOW A THING. HE'S BRANDED IT. AND THAT THE POLICE SAID, "COME ON IN," IT'S AS IF THE VIDEO TAPE NEVER EXISTED, AS IF WE NEVER SAW FOOTAGE. >> SHOWING IT NOW. >> IT'S AMAZING HOW HE CAN DEFY ANY SENSE OF REALITY, AND HIS FOLLOWERS BELIEVE IT. >> J-6 WAS THE SHORTHAND WHERE HE IS SPEAKING TO THIS BUBBLE, LIKE THIS ECOSYSTEM ON THE RIGHT. EXPECT THIS VIDEO TO BE PLAYED A LOT BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION. >> YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, AND WE'VE GOT TO JUST CONTINUE TO REFRESH PEOPLE'S MEMORIES. WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU JUST WONDER, HOW CAN ANYBODY VOTE FOR THIS SIDE, WHO RELISHES THESE PEOPLE, WHO CALLS THESE PEOPLE HEROS, CHAMPIONS, VICTIMS, HOSTAGES. YOU'RE STARING AT THIS AND GOING, WHAT PLANET AM I ON? >> IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AND OTHER DEMOCRATS TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT THE TRUMP YEARS WERE LIKE, INCLUDING HOW THEY ENDED. >>> PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS IN FRANCE FOR SEVERAL DAYS LAST WEEK, AND HIS TEAM REALLY SET ABOUT CREATING AN IMPLICIT CONTRAST WITH DONALD TRUMP. BIDEN WAS THERE FOR ALL THE D-DAY EVENTS PRAISING ALLIANCES. WE KNOW TRUMP HAS TRIED TO SABOTAGE NATO AND OTHER AMERICAN ALLIANCES. PRESIDENT BIDEN REITERATING COMMITMENT TO UKRAINE. WE KNOW TRUMP FREQUENTLY BACKS RUSSIA AND NOT KYIV. THEN EVEN YESTERDAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS AT THE WORLD WAR I CEMETERY THAT TRUMP, WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE, SKIPPED A CEREMONY THERE BECAUSE IT RAINED. DO YOU THINK THIS MESSAGING IS BREAKING THROUGH? >> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO BE ABOUT CONTRAST. THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. LIFTS IT UPSIDE BY SIDE. ONE GUY WHO IS SERIOUS, ONE GUY WHO IS -- STANDS FOR THE GRAVITAS AND GREAT THINGS AMERICA IS ABOUT. ANOTHER GUY IS ABOUT NEGATIVITY AND TEARING IT DOWN. I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THIS, ONE SIDE TALKS ABOUT HOW AMERICA SUCKS, AND THE OTHER SIDE TALKS ABOUT ELEVATING AMERICA AND THE GREATNESS OF AMERICA. I THINK THE MESSAGE IS GOING TO RESONATE. >> YOU'RE AN EXPERT ON BRANDING, ADVERTISING, AND BREAKING THROUGH. NO DOUBT, IT WAS NOTED IN WILMINGTON BY THE BIDEN CAMP THIS BIDEN TRIP DID BREAK THROUGH. THEY ACKNOWLEDGE, A LOT IS BECAUSE THE EYES OF THE WORLD WOULD BE ON THE 80th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY. THEY WERE PLEASED HOW FRONT AND CENTER THE PRESIDENT WAS. TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE KEEPING HIM FRONT AND CENTER GOING FORWARD. >> LOOK, THEY HAVE TO. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS A GREAT SENSE AND A GREAT SNIFF TEST. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S NOT AROUND, THEY'RE HIDING HIM, AND ONLY DOING CERTAIN EVENTS, AND WE'RE GOING TO CODDLE HIM THIS WAY, HE'S GOT TO BE OUT THERE, AGGRESSIVE, FRONT AND CENTER. THIS ALL, OF COURSE, LEADS UP TO JUNE 27th AND THE DEBATE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE HUGE. >> PRESIDENT BACK ON THE WORLD STAGE IN A FEW DAYS, HEADING TO ITALY FOR THE G-7 LATER THIS WEEK. >>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DEBATE. STILL THREE WEEKS OFF, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS OFF. HE HAS TIME TO PREPARE. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS HE NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT NIGHT? >> FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THERE'S NOT A CLOSE SECOND, AND IT HAPPENED IN THE STATE OF THE UNION, HE HAS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IS HE TOO OLD? HAS HE LOST HIS FAST BALL? DOES HE NOT HAVE HIS PUNCH ANYMORE? I DON'T WANT TO SAY SUBSTANCE OVER STYLE, BUT HE HAS TO COME OFF AS FULL OF VIGOR AND READY TO GO AND ANSWER THAT ONE, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, HE'S TOO OLD, AND JUST ANSWER THIS OFF THE BAT, THE SAME WAY HE DID STATE OF THE UNION. SECOND THING, AND THIS IS WHY THE STYLE PLAYS WITH THE AUDIENCE, IT'S ABOUT CONTENT AND ABOUT WHO HAS A BETTER GRIP ON THINGS. I THINK TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE THE BELLS AND WHISTLES AROUND HIM, SO I THINK THIS PLAYS TO BIDEN. FIRST AND FOREMOST, HE'S GOT TO COME OFF FULL OF VIGOR. >>> LASTLY, DONALD TRUMP HAS A PROBATION OFFICER INTERVIEW TODAY, SOMETHING HE DEEPLY DETESTS. JUST TALK ABOUT HOW YOU THINK HE'LL TAKE THAT, AND WHAT SORT OF IMPACT -- YOU KNOW, SENTENCING, MONTH OFF -- HOW IS THAT WEIGHING ON HIM GOING FORWARD AND HOW IT MAY IMPACT WHAT HE SAYS. >> I THINK IT IS WEIGHING ON HIM. OBVIOUSLY, THE SENTENCING IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK HE'LL GET A PRISON SENTENCE. NEITHER DO I. LOOK, YOU KNOW ALL THIS JUST EATS AWAY AT HIM. PROBABLY, HE'LL BE SITTING THERE LIKE THIS AT THE PROBATION MEETING. WE KNOW HIS COURT STANCE. HE CERTAINLY AIN'T LOVING THIS. THE GOOD NEWS IS, HE'S BACK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, SAYING THE THINGS HE SAYS. I THINK THE GREAT NEWS ABOUT THE TRIAL WAS A GUILTY VERDICT, AND HE IS BACK ON THE STREETS NOW. >> BIDEN TEAM THINKS THAT, AS WELL. THE TRIAL SHELTERED HIM. >> YES. >> NOW THAT HE IS OUT AND ABOUT, AMERICANS WILL BE LISTENING TO HIM AND TURNED OFF BY WHAT HE SAYS. THE BIGGEST MOMENT IS THE DEBATE, UNDERSCORING HOW
