[Music] I'm Rosie this is my sister Donna we live in Washington DC and we are the creators of surprise ride we come from a family of six we escape war from Lebanon and immigrated to Canada growing up we really didn't have much but our parents told us that anything is possible I wanted to go to school at Harvard and I was able to go there many years later Rosie wanted to travel the world she got to study abroad and even though we didn't have much we made the best out of that situation Safety First too often we hear kids complaining that they're bored and moms struggle to keep their kids with short attention spans busy our product helps families spend fun quality time together and it helps parents and kids gain knowledge along the way we've risked a lot to make this dream come true I gave up a great career on Wall Street we've both uh refused great job offers to make this dream come true we validated that we have a great product people absolutely love the experience but we need capital from the Sharks to share the ride with [Music] [Applause] [Music] America hi I'm Donna kff I'm Rosie kff we're the sisters behind the company's surprise ride today we're raising $110,000 in exchange for 10% of our company surprise ride is a monthly bundle of Adventure that gets kids excited about learning with surprise ride every month kids receive a surprise box of interactive activities and all the supplies they need to explore a new topic we work with experts to curate activities of of the highest quality families everywhere want to give their kids a good reason to put away the video games and explore the world through Hands-On play surprise ride makes it easier than ever before sharks we actually picked up some of your mail today and your surprise rides have arrived yes goodies I love the boxes thank you beautiful packaging oh wow oh Robert would you stop look Dam it it's car racing you always act so amazed by everything you see Robert you're going to get to design and model a race car room Lori we know that you love cooking and who doesn't love chocolate right you're going to get to make chocolate from scratch and also design your very own brand of chocolate that's great Kevin we know that you love photography so you're going to get a solar kit that has you taking pictures using the power of the sun thank you love it Damon we heard that you love to travel so you are going to be entering an adventure into the exciting city of Barcelona all right so you're going to be designing a mosaic and in the style of world-renowned architect gouty and exploring the fashion in Barcelona I like and you heard I like to get fat yeah we heard that you love we we we we might have heard that you love basketball so we designed a basketball themed ride that has you creating a mini basketball game for your desk and then get fat what's a good game without some popcorn I got that this is really cute I mean I have to say this is an extremely well constructed quality surprise box well first of all thank you very much very very cool how much do they sell for it starts at $24.99 for a 6month or 12mon subscription and that's per month per month yep and it's $29.99 if you buy it on a monthly basis what are your sales so so far we've shipped almost 800 boxes and we've got over 220 active members that's just in the last four months month just started ladies you know in an online business when someone comes into the shark tank with a model like this to questions that always get asked and hopefully you're going to know this answer what is your customer acquisition cost and what is the value of that customer and profit margin so our customer acquisition cost is $530 what's the value of that customer for 12 so for just a 12 Monon period it's $130 customer value usually when Mr oi asks the client acquisition question there's a lot of U deer in the headlight but what a great answer I got to know your background my background is on Wall Street I actually worked um in and Acquisitions for a number of years then I left that I went back to get my MBA at Harvard fell in love with social good for you what about your sister I have a degree in marketing um so I have a business background I've worked with a number of Lifestyle Brands and even some kid Brands so what does it cost you to make each box and where are you making these we're at 50% margin and that 50% goes towards buying our merchandise shipping and fulfillment we have a fulfillment center in Florida that assembles all the boxes and ships them out to our customers can they scale they can absolutely so my business school background basically forced us from day one to create a business that's scalable one of the concerns and I say this often to new entrepreneurs is don't invest too much before you have the S so how much have you invested in that is in that warehouse this business model really allows us to anticipate the demand very close to when we need to order that inventory which is terrific so we have very little inventory multi-on right we can actually estimate how many orders we're having and and Order accordingly and I'd like to add we've raised 100,000 from a very well-known Tech investor uh Irwin Jacobs who's the founder of Qualcomm how much Equity did he get he's actually an angel investor in the form of convertible note so you know darn well that 100 from irn and 110 from us ain't squat for a subscription business the uh the capital that we're raising now gets us through the next 12 months are you sure yes because in a subscription based business you know how many have gone out of business yes we're and what's the projection for next year D for next year we're anticipating about 500,000 in sales and that's on the low end how many subscribers is that that's 3500 look you don't have enough money to get to 500,000 in Sal but they might because they have access to this other investor so if you have this I didn't get to answer your question earlier but Damon effectively is doing that which is if you have this other investor why are you here Irwin invested in us he's a big fan of this Mission which is to bring curiosity to children all over the world there you just hit the nail on the head there's a difference between a mission and having a fully thought out fully funded business that is going to accomplish a specific goal so let me tell you a little bit about how we plan to spend that money that might give you some comfort um two things we're doing driving traffic to the website and then monetizing that traffic okay that's easy to say explain so uh the first thing is we've partnered with a marketing agency the leading expert on reaching moms what does that cost you monthly it's going to cost cost us $40,000 total for the next 12 months to reach 5 to 10 million moms Donna Rose I want to make sure I heard the facts correct I I think you said you did 800 boxes and you have 220 members would that come to around 25,000 yeah about 20 it's a startup it's a brand new startup I got it but the startup question here is you would like $110,000 for 10% yeah so it values a company of $1.1 million yeah you're an investment banker at least you were one you think is that little extreme ask in terms of Val course the the the classic valuation question this is literally what I spent yes it is the classic question every minute of my hours on we know there are two things that primarily go into evaluation the team and the future earning potential of this company this team has been working together for over 20 years we worked so well together when you say you've been working together for 20 years can you explain that by that I mean we've been sisters I don't know if that's a good thing I have two daughters they're ready to kill each other if they spend too much time with we hear that a lot but we we came from Lebanon actually as War refugees and we lived in a one-bedroom apartment when we were kids we didn't have a lot of video games and toys and things to entertain ourselves but fortunately our dad always encouraged us to experiment try a lot of different things we sort of had a craft store in a a chemistry lab in our living room um I'm a really simple and basic guy when I sawed Fu I sold 800 shirts you know what I was worth I was worth 800 shirts you're valuing the company of $1.1 million I'm out you know I'm stuck on the capital requirements I don't quite agree with you and we can debate this till the cows come home my guess is you're going to need somewhere between $3 and5 million to scale this to where you have a sustainable business I went to school with the girls who founded Birchbox which is one of the most successful subscription Services they've hit 300,000 subscribers you know you're a proof of concept right now in my opinion I'm tempted but I'm going to pass I'm out [Music] Don let let me tell you where I'm at yeah it's a great idea but there's a lot of executional risk here you know your idea of spending 40,000 to get that traffic is a little unrealistic I think you're underestimating the hustle that this business is going to take to get off the ground but I think you'll figure it out so here's my offer to so my offer is the offer that I feel comfortable with that reflects the executional risk in the business I'll give you the 110,000 for 25% Lori Mark any other you were asked what were you going to do with the $100,000 you said $40,000 to a marketing company what was the rest optimizing monetizing that traffic so that we can actually generate the sales I think that this is one of the finest and best made gift box for kids that I've ever seen I love it I know what it's like to be a woman in business and I know that sometimes it can be harder but I also know that you can make anything happen if you put your mind to it I had to start from the ground up by myself and I had to figure out a lot of things but it was the best learning lessons I could have ever had and when I look at the two of you you make me think of myself and I think that you can do this she's telling you she's out in like 9,000 words seven paragraphs don't be rude Lori you know how to reach women you know how to reach moms you know how to reach aunts doing it on your own that's how you're really going to learn so for that reason I'm out I'm giving you my very best advice because that's what I think is important here Donna she's out to address your theory question you don't have to address anything I made you an offer Mark either say yes or no let me let me ask some questions what's your core competency our core competency is execution that's what I was going to tell you Robert talk with expert where's possible answer possible where's possible the fact that you need to go out and get this marketing company you need to go out and get this optimization company you need to go out in these other companies means you don't have that road to success directly in your mind when you're an entrepreneur you've got to be able to control your own destiny on a number of things I asked you the question what's your core competency I thought you were asking me personally come on now come on that's a Harvard answer that's not a real answer okay that that's fair but let me tell you something I'm out this was why my offer was so high you don't live in the real world you live in the world of theory l this isn't Kansas anymore I made you a generous offer for you and for me because I can help you I disagree with her you need guidance along the way will you will you take will you do 20% out I'm out wa wa Robert whoa you gave me time to change my mind guys you said you're all about sales you had a sale you didn't close the sale ladies I think we're all out Robert if you come back in we'll do it 25% we'll do it right now interesting you know what I'm not going to do imigrant to Immigrant no you know what I goes a dynamite when somebody makes you an offer a bird in the hand right I made you a fair offer you know you're willing to take it is it smart look all your options and then decide that's what a smart business person would do not always ladies You' actually come into the lore of shark tank you are going to become Legend because you had a deal and you didn't close it you came into the Shark Tank poo poo happened and you got a surprise ride got to turn around walk into the sunset good luck you guys thank you thank [Music] you Robert pulling away at the end is almost a blessing in disguise it showed how serious or not serious he was about our business that's hilarious they talk themselves out of a deal you know what deal to lose next into the tank is an innovation for a common household [Music] tool hello sharks my name is Evan Dobson founder of wisp Industries and I want to introduce you to the Wisp a revolutionary floor cleaning system that's in the process of disrupting a category that hasn't changed in centuries sweeping we have literally re-engineered the broom and the dust ban from the bristles up making for a more efficient and unique action We call wisping we all know what it's like to use an old broom and a dust pan it requires two hands and a side by side motion use the pan you got to bend down it's true it's pain putting strain on your back and your knees and we all know what it takes to get that last pesky line of debris well no more the Wisp is intentionally lightweight to be used with one hand in a pulling motion the bristles are short dense and 90° to the floor to create a perfect seal to that surface the patented whisp pan is amazing it literally allows you to apply pressure with your foot simply step on the back here and see how that creates that perfect seal allowing you to easily bring in that debris effortlessly that's smart on the side of the pan are Combs that allow you to clean that bristle wow the evolution of sweeping is wisping that's why we're seeking $500,000 for 10% of the company so come on sharks of who wants to join team whisp right now and make sweeping changes all across the world have you sold any of these things yes we sold over 100,000 units to date we've done over 3.3 million in sales lifetime wow is any of this protected or all of it everything you look at has a design patent and utility p as well so what was your profit last year did not have a profit last year we had a loss due to two very significant events where it a into our margin we were on a couple shows where we had to do Revenue share there was an inherent marketing cost to reach that many eyeballs so you offer your product at half price it's 50% off to the customer so basically if you have a 50% markup on your product you make no money but you get a lot of eyes on your product we sold 20,000 units in 4 hours but at no profit very little but what about the rest of the year what was your sales last year 1.43 you made no money on that we lost 600,000 go lost how'd you do that that's hard to do there was a lot of decisions that I made and I take full responsibility for it I had many people that were on um a consistent kind of compensation schedules and I learned that that was when times were lean that that was a bad decision on my and I've made those changes like sales reps and distributor type things yeah and people that market e how much have you invested and how much have you raised I've raised uh close to $2.5 million over six years the C golf been doing this six years wow so we don't even know what does one cost and what does it cost to make the configuration you're looking at right here cost $29.95 and our cost of goods in 17 were $8.50 so the problem is you're competing with an $88.99 broom yes and how much do you have in inventory there we have about $300,000 why did you buy so much inventory in 2016 we went viral to over 110 million views and we sold out like that so instantaneously I went we need more inventory we brought it in caught up because it took time all of our search and exposure started dissipating and we had to start that back up again so we did another event and we keep doing this roller coaster what we're looking at with your help would be to bring in a more consistent economical way to create a supply chain and then really go after what we believe is our online Edge okay so what are your cumulative losses since the beginning of inception like what how much have you lost in these years total just raised 2.5 does that mean you've lost 2.5 you have any money left we have about $50,000 okay so you have $50,000 in the bank $300,000 in inventory some IP but effectively you're down $2 million more 2.1 million in the [Music] home all sharks are still in but they've discovered that eban is over $2 million in debt for his broom business wisp a effectively you're down $2 million more 2.1 million in the whole well I don't believe I'm doing a really good job opinion the exact picture because um we we know that the products will sell and what I'm here for is to is to I've made mistakes and I I think you get a a for effort and a f for execution and I think you know that and so for those Reasons I'm out look the product clearly works I mean that's the Intriguing part but in year after year after year you've made no money that's very depressing and so the question is do you need adult supervision so that you get focused on one thing cuz there must be somebody that wants a broom that works it's just how do you find them it's why I'm here that's why I'm here because I've been punched for three plus years and and um I've been working off instinct to go uh and optimize uh cost of goods but where did you raise a 2.5 million from well from uh my network uh and nobody has come in since then saying what the hell's going on well um let me take over let me give you some I never raised enough money to really drive the business I always did it Project based and it's been a long time coming we did a 2.5 million each one of us started $100 million plus businesses with thousands of dollarss look we all make mistakes as entrepreneurs but I just really don't think you have your act together on this for those Reasons I'm out okay sorry about that Ean I have this Theory when you're first starting a business make it sell it make it sell it I feel like you've spend a lot more money maybe than you needed to and I would take a hard look at that one of the things that I say to people is as soon as you can afford to hire your weaknesses your contribution to this feels like it should be more in the product side mhm and I would encourage you to get support on the Marketing sales side so that you can really focus on the part of the business that I can feel is your strength okay and I like your product I'm going to buy your product actually but I'm not going to invest in your company today so I'm out Innovation requires education Evan it's a great product it needs to be demonstrated it's been a very Rocky Road you certainly need a partner to be your mirror image and do all the things you don't do well you have some weaknesses in executional skills when it comes to business not everybody does it well that's why they partner MH you desperately need a partner someone with executional skills and certain disciplines about how money is spent that person's Mr Wonderful so if you want $500,000 I'll do it but I want 50% not 5150 cuz that's a lot of money I don't like losing $500,000 I don't do that ever do you have debt on the company too very little comparatively how much 250,000 oh KN this story gets longer well I don't I don't know if you can sell me 50% of the company who owns it well I have a I have a 22 investors that have been through 22 Yeah it's been a long road of oh I feel like I'm at a weight honestly I don't think I've ever sat here where I felt like something really took my breath away oh my goodness I mean I just was like who it's like a punch to the gut you have so much debt and you've lost so much money what are you going to do how do you recommend I get out of this and and fight for it I mean there's got to be a chance you need somebody who who's a just a killer salesperson you know I I've had every opportunity to quit from all of the things that we're talking about but I believe in it so strongly and I'm so passionate I own a basketball team and I'm smart enough not to put myself on the court I can't wrap my arms around so much debt it's so bad if you can get Kevin to invest all the money I will help him and you to sell it you put up the money I'll do the Sal you want to put up$ 250,000 no you put up the money I call you later after I my sleeves and I'll do the S that's something we can deal with later look Evan I'll put up the $500,000 but one way or another I'm ending up as a 50/50 partner now if your 22 investors don't like that outcome they don't like it because they're not here but you are so I'm going to make you that offer if you're willing to accept it let's go to work there's a lot of he's not interested in doing anything to bring me in to help you sell it Lori I can discuss that later she's out okay look maybe we'll work with Lori later but right now you need $500,000 she's not willing to put up a scent I am I'll put up the $500,000 but I got end up with 50% yes or no evid what do you want to do but why wouldn't you not want to include I might but she's not putting up any money right now so I'm not worried about it I think you need me Evan if you want to do a deal with Lori do a deal with Lori she has no money for this deal what do you want to do this is your moment yes or [Music] no okay we'll do it wow there you go wow but but but wait what did I hear butt but wait there's more I'll lose her number remember he did not include me so now I know her number I can call her anytime I want her if I need her and she'll come running maybe maybe not well do you have anything that we could you could add I that's I'm out get out of there I'm gone I'm an investor okay I had the 500 it was in your hand and you're talking to her you're out of here see you buddy goodbye take the bye Evan ev's offer was amazing but I don't believe that I had the ability to make that decision that quickly that could have gone better but the truth of the matter is is that I'm not going anywhere the Wisp is still going to be available now he's made three mistakes to the next potential that was too tough are you out of your mind that was too tough for that man I'm going up there to shake his hand and he's still talking you know why too mean you know feel terrible no he's not a business wait wait let me cry next up is a business capitalizing on a growing [Music] hobby sharks I'm Chad berer from Lancaster Pennsylvania my company is over easy chicken coops and this is my pal Chuckles all right Chuckles you get in there lay me some eggs would you all right sharks it's no secret America is crazy for backyard chickens right now families want more sustainable living and self-reliance and they love having fresh organic eggs every day plus backyard chickens bring joy to families as kids and grandkids make lifelong memories caring for these adorable pets that's why we created over easy chicken CPS our proprietary modular CPS are easy to ship and easy to assemble all you need is 30 minutes a screw gun and two people to assemble your over easy Coupe we offer four different sizes that perfectly accommodate between five and 20 chickens America is so cuckoo for these CPS that we can hardly keep up with the demand we're chickens running around with our heads cut off sorry Chuckles sharks I need a partner so I can finally stop having all my eggs in one basket so who who wants to acquire 4% of OV easy chicken CPS for an investment of $1 million tell us why this is worth2 he's only four points away from for zero first of all our IP is locked down and the cash register is ringing and we've only just begun we are on a path to become the category King for backyard chickens in America and with your help maybe or anybody else who's interested we will expand to Europe where the interest in backyard chickens is even stronger than in the United States CH you're one crazy chicken what are these are we supposed to open these can I just say I opened the egg I was all excited thinking I was going to get something wonderful it is wonder I mean it's nice it's a little brochure it talks about quick facts about your business there is some golden information in there okay so how much have you sold oh you want numbers I got numbers this week we surpassed 21 million in sales wow lifetime last Lifetime and year to date 9 million year to date million and best of all 1.35 million in profit which if you do the math you know our EA is 15% it should have been 18 why wasn't it because of the supply chain issues that we had lumber prices you know went up fourfold true um Chad I was not expecting those kind of numbers how are you selling 9 million ah it breaks my heart we were not ready Co it spiked big time and we had the frustrating situation where we could not fill orders we did not have enough coups got it so we missed out on millions of dollars in sales despite that 6.8 million in sales last year how much did you net on that well last year was about 12% so going from 6.8 to 9 through 6 months is a big step M right what are you even doing what am I oh yeah what are you looking at oh I was trying to make sure I cover everything and we'll go ahead and make sure there we go I'm sorry so how are you paying for all this inventory I am here to raise money for more inventory we're going to need it but have you raised money and who are your partners and how much of your company do you still own I Own 100% actually I bought the company last June 30th and that's when I owned 68% I didn't tell you I'm from the Amish Country in Pennsylvania oh but back to your question about Co we missed the co bump last year could have been well over 10 million if we hadn't had enough coups I'd like to go back to the numbers just give me the last three years in Revenue 2019 was 2.2 million 2020 was 6.8 million wow this year we'll probably do 20 million you got a big ramp going in here that takes Capital cuz there's a there's a capex to this business you got to make stuff how did you raise the money so I had to do creative Finance to support the POS and receivables we were able to borrow against all the POS that we had it all worked out great in the second quarter paid everyone back but now we're facing much greater opportunity along those lines and that's one of the challenging things about this business Chad I've got to understand some basic things so number one I don't know what that costs the large is $18.99 the medium is $4.99 and the small is $10.99 our overall gross profit margins are about 36% So Co did have a heavy have an impact so on the one hand you said it had a negative effect on you because you didn't have supply chain we missed out but you didn't miss out that's right uh all right well you get what I'm saying you are suggesting that I was uh inconsistent in my answer here's the thing yes we missed the co bump I I swear we could have sold 3 4 million more last year when we did 6.8 million could have been 10 if we would had enough coups but now we have a factory set up in Lancaster County Pennsylvania we have one down in Dublin Georgia Central Georgia and in Colorado so we can hit the whole whole uh country so I would like you to answer for me in two sentences why Europe would want your Coupe more than the coups they have over there most of what's available in Europe and in the United States are frankly cheap Imports and we came up with this beautiful coup in a box and it is selling big time and already 700 units have sold but back to Europe what we know is that in Europe they have backyard chickens more but you're wondering how is it that we could compete in that market same as here no I I said in two sentences I mean just being fair when you're selling something you need to be able to tell people in a couple of sentences what it is and why it's great it's a knockdown high quality Coupe quality is great but it's not a strong enough differentiator and unfortunately I have to be out what is the life span of a chicken 5 to 10 years my fear with going into business with you is it is going to take me longer than the lifespan of a chicken to find out the details of your business now before you go out I got to talk to about Europe you didn't have me over here with Europe you you really catapulted me into not interest tell you this the most valuable thing in my life is my time I don't want to spend it learning about your business I'm out okay Chad let me take a stab at it all right I love Revenue I think your presentation uh was a little wandering do you think but you got a lot of Revenue here I'll make you an offer um I'll give you the million bucks in debt because you need Capital I'll take the 4% equity and I want to PID back over 3 years the average right now is 11 12% that Capital will let you do what you want to do stat side I don't know what you're talking about in Europe but that's your decision I don't control the business but that's an offer at least you can peck on that one all right million bucks and you know the added bonus is you get Mr Wonderful the shark which could really help blow this business up big time because I just love chicken I like it with cream sauce I like it roasted oh stop check um you're already cash constrained to Kevin's point and now you want to go out and effectively have to build factories around the world started in Europe because you can't just ship everything over there and somebody's going to have to make them so you have the capital expensive doing that a million dollars whether it's debt or Equity isn't going to allow you to keep up with your growth I think you're coming in talking overseas in Europe because you think that sounds good to us I don't think you've really projected it out so for those reasons amounts you know Chad I you're asking a million dollars for 4% I think we all know here that as you said materials have just been brutal yeah that's the problem I think your margins are going to shrink well the materials came down yeah they did yep it's all settled now they've come way down I don't think it's settled our margins will go up I believe the materials will still go up and I don't like your valuation so what valuation would make you comfortable cuz I'm here to help you make money Damon that's a good offer throw out a number 25% are you making an offer yeah million dollars or 25% uh let me see you three are out yes and you have a real offer I'm bringing you back in let me explain may I have two minutes to please explain something I can't don't speak to Robert out I know but I I got to tell him something three sharks are out Chad has two offers on the table for his business over easy chicken CPS but his attention is still focused on Robert don't speak to Robert's out out I know but I I got to tell him something no please don't you should be talking to why you you're doing exactly what he said you're making it confusing you're scaring us Dam it I want to hear what he was going to say go ahead Chad bear with me I have gone to Europe many times because we were looking at expanding our business over there so next week I'm flying to Prague and if they are interested there's there's this amazing folks and by the way in the Czech Republic and in I just want to say one thing okay one thing I can actually speak chicken those chickens are saying right now Chad why don't you get focused on the two offers okay if had are talking to a guy that's been out for 15 minutes I'm going to have to counter on yours I want both you guys I'd love to say yes to Mr Wonderful there in terms of the debt doesn't bother me because we're so profitable but I need to ask you one question yeah there might be another million or two that we need in po support that the banks won't give I understand my answer is always the same to every entrepreneur I support all my companies okay our interests are aligned I want you to succeed the answer is of course if you actually come in with business that makes sense and I can make more money with my 4% I'm going to support you that's what I do with all my entrepreneurs you know I'm not in love with you you're European strategy I don't get it there there's so much opportunity State side yeah particularly since you need cash for POS right you're not going to have any money left over for European expansion Chad I I I ask you not to entertain him which you know you're you're a grown man you can do whatever you want but you have two offers on the table and you just keep getting distracted and I just got to say that I think that is exactly what it's going to be in business with you so I like you but I'm out well then it's just the two of us Mr Wonderful is that's right for now for now do you want to get together in this or not Mr Wonderful I want to say yes to your offer as long as you are going to support the other POS I'm not guaranteeing that right now cuz I don't know enough about your income statement and balance sheet but I told you I support my companies the offer I'm making you right now is the million dollar oh no I'm accepting that we have a deal well then forget all the rest of the noise the what yeah are you done I just wanted to talk with Robert a little bit about our designs in Eastern Europe get I want him to come back in come on let me talk to him wait a second don't you want someone from Europe who has a passion for helping create job he's not really from Europe he's been here a very long time is Alan F around here is this Candy Camera what's going on all right if you say so but Robert come on I wanted us to do special things in your could even I'm with you Chad I'm out oh really I said yes though I yes Kevin yes thank you you do not understand when a guy offers you a million dollars but then you start talking to guy that's out I was the only shark to offer you a million dollars the only one that was going to find your business after everybody else dropped out and then you say oh no I want to talk to robbert about Czech Slovakia no that is that I just wanted to have that I said yes to you no I'm out I'm out you got to go Chad Good Luck Good Luck Chad well thank you and I hope that uh you'll enjoy backyard chicken someday if you want this have a good day bye chat well it looked like I had a shark but then he swam away because I got distracted in talking to Robert after Mr Wonderful was going to step up so that was a strategic error wow wow what the was that I've never seen anything like that ever I'm not even Czechoslovakian
