Too Much Time - No Time to Die (2021) || From Rewatch With Love Ep27

[Music] hello and welcome to from rewatch with love a james bond cinematic rewatch podcast my name is graham and joining me as always is matt wiggins hello it's been so long it has been so long today we are looking finally at no time to die from 2021 asterisk [Laughter] because it was originally scheduled for release of course in 2020 and was really this was when the bow broke the it was the first major movie tent pole blockbuster to blink and go you know what we're not going to release this right now and that would prove to i don't think that everybody was like okay well now that now that james bond has done it now we can you know now we can all move on but it was definitely the first one that i was like oh okay i guess this is happening yeah and then it just delayed and delayed and delayed and it delayed yeah it's got to be the one that was like the most the most delayed right like there were other movies that delayed during the pandemic and then pinned themselves to a release date and then eventually came out on that release date and this one was like it must what was delayed to what three or four separate release dates over the duration of its postponement i think so and they definitely weren't going to do digital only for this not for both yeah they were they were never going to do that so originally scheduled for november 2019 and then postponed to february 2020 oof if they could have gotten it under the wire that would have been good but that was before the director changed so hey the director changed also we should mention that briefly originally danny boyle was going to be directing and only three months before principal photography left the project due to creative differences that's all we know and so then they postponed it they bumped it back a bit to february 2020 and then april 2020 and then there was oh yes the premiere in china and countrywide publicity tour planned for april 2020 were canceled and then it was pushed back to november 2020 and then in october they delayed it again to april 2021 and then finally the 8th of october 2021 and it sort of it released i don't know exactly it sort of released sporadically throughout september to october yeah it had a really dispersed release depending on market it was sort of a wide range of dates in there we had a bunch of people asking us variously on twitter or in chat rooms or i mean like in like twitch chat or on our discord sort of like hey have you seen it yet because they had seen it and i was going i don't think it's out yet and it wasn't here anyway at least i couldn't see it but yeah and to that point uh yeah this obviously has taken us a little while to get to but i mean you've been waiting for the movie for long enough not only were there several delays just like in our own lives things like desert bus and the ongoing crushing demoralization of the pandemic in which we are existing but also i'm glad that we didn't try to bust one out right away because we've now waited long enough that it is out available for rental or purchase on digital platforms which i did i just bought it on itunes for 25 dollars and that means that i could indeed re-watch it so it's not just this is not watch with love this is rewatch so i was able to watch it a second time matt seen it three times i have i saw it twice in theaters and then i uh gave it a while and then i rewatched it last night and it's nice to have some space like have you know it's been two months since i saw it in theaters now and and so coming back to it and being like all right let's revisit my thoughts on this film for uh a third time to sort of like see where it ultimately lands for me yeah so if danny boyle didn't direct it who did great question this was directed by kerry joji fukunaga who is probably best known for the first series or the first season of the series true detective also limited netflix series maniac oh i don't know that one that was the sort of like psychological sci-fi dramedy with emma stone and jonah hill huh okay maybe i have heard of this i remember seeing a lot of commercials for it and going that looks wild i should watch that and then i never did anyway huh so yes carrie jojo fukunaga was brought in to handle directing screenplay by standbys neil purvis and robert wade who that who obviously had an idea in mind again this was only three months out from principal photography and then the story was reworked with fukunaga and indeed fukunaga also has a writing credit on it as does phoebe waller bridge who has written such things as fleabag and killing eve now have you seen killing eve matt i have not it's i've heard of it great it's very good it's a it's about spies seems like it's in my wheelhouse yeah sandra oh is the lead it's very good it's just yeah it's it's a great series and daniel craig basically saw her work and was like oh we we should get her in to do a pass on this and you know because he he has a bit of pull at this point in the proceedings right he asked for phoebe waller bridge to uh join the writing team and do do a final draft on it did you know that union rules limit how many people can be credited for writing a movie i did not i that doesn't surprise me at all but i didn't know that yeah it was actually news to me as well but again i'm in sort of the department of no surprise category that sounds like something that they would do there's a couple people that did uncredited rewrite work on this movie including paul haggis who did work on the screenplay for casino royale right quantum of solace like he's another sort of hand at this and also scott burns who was the screenwriter for the born ultimatum okay all right so several several people contributing to it yeah that's what six all together yeah i think i mean on the screenplay there might be more i don't know right that doesn't surprise me like that was something carrie fisher did a lot of over the years was the script doctoring yeah yeah sort of uncredited script work on stuff punch-up is important so starring daniel craig rami malik leia sedu returning lashana lynch ben weisha naomi harris jeffrey wright christophe wallace and ray finds it all returning lots of information sort of here and there as we as we move through it cinematography by linus sandgren who previously worked on promised land american hustle lala land weirdly and first man among first man among recent works and produced on a budget of somewhere between 250 or 300 million dollars which adjusting for inflation is approximately 250 or 300 million dollars you have no idea how many episodes i've been waiting make that stupid joke about 25 yeah 27. so far at the box office 771 million which is like not astonishing for a bond film but it is the third highest grossing film of 2021. and it was like the the first obvious gang buster this year right because there had been when this came out black widow had come out and not performed amazingly and shang chi had come out and like performed okay but again like i don't know maybe i'm getting that backwards chongqi is now i think the top grossing film of the year i'd have to double check that so i'm looking at worldwide numbers where shanxi is actually eighth oh okay because you have to factor in china because the number one and two highest grossing movies are chinese only releases they're the battle at lake changing and high mom right and then and then no time to die so yeah and then f9 yeah and then f9 detective chinatown three that's another chinese movie then venom surprisingly let there be carnage at a worldwide gross of 493 million then godzilla versus kong and then chongqi at 431 and then eternals and dune and then dune yeah i still remain satisfied with my statement it was the first one to really start putting up numbers and suggest the the box office wasn't quite as on life support as it had looked to be at that up to that point yeah no i think they definitely waited long enough thankfully it did have the advantage of having two straight years of marketing behind it yeah that's true in fact billy eilish and phineas won a grammy for best song written for visual media on in march 2021 which was six months before the movie came out in other music news speaking of creative differences fukunaga's sort of previous composing partner dan romer ended up leaving the project in post really yeah in november 2019 and they brought in hans zimmer in 2020. and i gotta say this doesn't sound like a han zimmer movie it does not and i mean that in a good way i like han zimmer han zimmer does what han zimmer does and he's very good at doing what han zimmer does and i like when he goes and does the han zimmer thing but you can always tell yeah this is very good but it's not like oh here's han zimmer again yeah so i i don't want to dive too deep into like opinions on the movie yet but just because we're in this wheelhouse so much of this movie draws on music from past bond movies even in the score the way the music in this movie comes together is almost like a medley of the orchestral version of this movie's title theme plus drawing reference either direct or implied to several previous bond movies one in one in particular they're drawing heavily on and it's like really interesting that they've the way it comes together like it feels very bond but doesn't feel very you're right it doesn't feel like a han zimmer score at all yeah how much do you want because we did not listener at home discussed this ahead of time how much do you want to talk about it up front or like where do you want to put our sort of overall thoughts so i'm not going to lie my the overall tenor of my opinions on this movie are going to become apparent very quickly because this movie loses me from the first scene so i guess we're just gonna talk about it all right to anyone who wasn't watching desert bus at the time we were asked to give some sort of preliminary thoughts in desert bus and my my stated opinion of this movie was to the the people asking the question to imagine that as of answering this question i issued forth one long beleaguered sigh that began during desert bus and concluded with us recording this episode well that's what that noise was yeah i've been hearing it in the background for the past couple weeks and and watching it a third time didn't really change that opinion that's not to say that i i'm not i'm gonna try very hard not to be just intensely negative towards this movie because i think there's a lot in it to like but it really did a very very poor job of bringing me on that journey because every time it did something like every time it made a choice it made a choice that offended me wow so my opinions in this movie are going to be colored by a few things they're going to be affected by the extent to which this is a sequel and trying to conclude the narrative arc of daniel craig's tenure as bond and i don't know that that was a very good idea and i don't think that there is a really good narrative arc there to conclude so that's a problem it also just does a bunch of little aesthetic and stylistic things that just drive me up the wall and so i'm gonna like part of my response to this movie is gonna be kind of nitpicky in places because there's just stuff that rubs me the wrong way and so like i'm go i'm gonna get into it i'm gonna get into the things that rub me the wrong way and why they rub me the wrong way and viewer your mileage may vary that like the things that bugged me about this movie may may or may not bug you in the same way whereas i agree with you i think i mean i don't actually know what these nitpicks are gonna be so i look forward to find that out because again listener matt and i apart from this one exchange we have not actually discussed our opinions of this movie but it sounds like i'm a lot higher on it than you which is interesting because we we're generally generally we're pretty in line but i will say that the answer that i gave at that point matt matt's answer being the long exasperated sigh or i know yeah i i like i like exasperated actually that's a that's a good portmanteau wow yeah patent that yeah that my feeling on the movie aspects of it mirror yours my elevator pitch for my opinion of this movie was that i actually think it is a very good conclusion to the daniel craig arc like i actually think that with everything that they decided to do and everything they set up i think that this is actually a very solid final act to this arc of five movies that i vehemently do not think should have ever been an arc to begin with so i agree with you in that like the nature of this thing existing i think is a mistake and i definitely agree about like what character development are we showing here from bond and why this doesn't actually need to exist right but if it must i think they stuck the landing is sort of where i'm coming from all right i i can see that and for the record my general response to this movie is not like it's not the worst bond movie not by a long shot it's not the worst bond movie there's as i say there's a lot of stuff in this movie to like i think that the ending was a little wobblier than stuck but i like i i agree with your thesis though right like the emotions they're making towards like trying to provide a conclusion to an arc that they suppose exists is like pretty good and like i like i like a lot of the ideas that they had with this movie i just wish they hadn't been as hamstrung by the decisions they'd made in the previous four because there's a better version of this movie that exists or that like exists in my mind there's an alternate universe where they actually made four good movies and this movie is like the best bond movie anyone has ever made but what we have is not that that's that's like the 1610 universe compared to the one that we inhabit right yeah it's definitely not the worst they do make a reference to the worst which i thought was kind of funny and we'll talk about that later but i will say i went to seton theaters kathleen went with me and we watched it and ultimately we enjoyed it and we came out of it going like all right that was a fun time you know we didn't come out of it being like oh my god you know like we did after well i mean obviously die another day but you know after like spectre where it was like oh you know i i didn't come out of this one going ugh you know i was like you know what that was fun at least yeah but i too have nitpicks [Laughter] so let's let's let us begin let's go yeah we begin with a metro goldwyn meyer logo that's been revamped with an english translation of the ars gracia artis motto surmounting the lion which is art for art's sake which is a lie because you're doing this for money but that's fine and the next thing we see is the white dot moving across the screen and daniel craig gets a gun barrel sequence and they've lost me [Laughter] is it because he shoots the gun and there's no blood because that was weird no it's that is weird although i i actually really love the transition here the the transition is fine the the thing that gets me i i'm already gonna launch into my major issues with the movie sure so much of this movie is about breaking all the toys in the toy box and they they do it for very little reason because it it's it's done on credit they haven't earned and so a lot of the toy breaking just feels like it almost feels malicious right like it's it's like well we just have to break it all so that we can start over fresh and in a movie that is so dead set on violating convention to make that the one that you finally give daniel craig a gun barrel on is like come on we've spent four movies like maybe now we can have a real james bond movie and they start us by like hey look it's a real james bond movie and then they proceed to just break every convention from here on out it this didn't bother me on the first watch but it bothers me on subsequent re-watches and i like i understand why they did it they could not deny him a gun barrel forever they have to give every bond a gun barrel so that they can one day do the oh the gun barrel sequence the monster the montage but uh but it just felt like they've they've made such a point of not doing it to this point that it felt almost like a concession to pressure i do like the transition that they do where whoever he's shooting their vision fades to white and then it transitions to this top down shot of a forest and snow which you see reflected in the gun barrel which puts me in the mind of like the early brosnan ones with the first time we see the cg gun barrel and then it sort of fades away and i really like that transition but you're right it's not even the full gun barrel sequence yeah the other thing that gets me about this gun barrel sequence is given that every previous spawn movie with daniel craig every previous daniel craig bond movie hasn't had a conventional gun barrel sequence there's a shot from the trailer that happens late in the movie like very late in the movie where bond has like the ar and he's in a circular concrete hallway and he whips around the corner and points the gun down the hall which they showed in the trailer over and over and over again and it's framed exactly like the gun barrel sequence and so i came into this movie being like oh that's gonna be their gun barrel seek like their reference to the gun barrel that'll be the end of the pre-title yeah and i was like oh okay i get it i get it they've done it again they're gonna give us that as our our gun barrel sequence i'm just quickly trying to find the time code of the shot but it violated my expectation because i was like oh okay we're getting uh we're getting a regular gun barrel here fine i guess so and anyhow i was just like i was so prepared for that to be the the opening like in skyfall where they did basically the same thing i was so prepared for that and i was i was like oh well this feels almost boring by comparison now but i do like the transition and through the transition we see a man walking through the woods with a gun and a big sort of parka and he's walking towards this house on a lake of ice and inside the house there is a woman who is reclining on the couch and smoking and a little girl playing with a tamagotchi which i guess is supposed to date this movie but i don't actually know when this is meant to be because like tamagotchis are back like now but originally this would have been i think this i think this actually works fine in the timeline it's totally cool anyway this little girl's name is madeline and if you've been remembering correctly this will be a young madeleine swann which was leiacido's character from spectre now i actually didn't remember that that was her first name but this little girl looks so much like her that i was like oh this is young swan isn't it i forgot that her name was madeline but the the casting is brilliant the casting in this movie is great big ups to the casting director on this movie yeah with with one small asterisk that is a me problem i'll talk about that when we get there okay beautiful shot of the girl going downstairs as it tracks out and you see the man walking towards the cabin in the distance i just i really really like that shot so the mom is thirsty and needs this girl to get her box wine this mom is she is colossally day drunk yes i was like do you need your medicine mother yeah yes darling when they have a little talk about her dad she's i don't know why she's deciding to do this now but she's like what do you think your dad does they're talking in french by the way but she's smashed she's like what do you think your dad does and she's like my dad helps he's a doctor he heals people and she's like he kills people and it's like jeez mom all right and then mom passes out and drops the red wine on the floor and so the the daughter's like uh mom's in the sauce again and goes and gets stuff to clean it up and we see that under the sink and presumably in other places around the house but at least under the sink is a handgun stuck to the wall under the sink for emergencies i guess and the girl is aware of that she also becomes very quickly aware of that man standing directly outside the window and it's a jarring image because he's wearing a no theater mask so it's this like i guess not expressionless because it's got a bit of a say a mischievous grin almost it's an unsettling image so good job there so she's trying to wake her mom up and mom's passed out and then so she tries to run and get into what is clearly a panic room and we see a little shot of inside the panic room where there's a spectre ring in there because of course this is mr white from casino royale this is if you recall that hole this is this is the problem with continuity in bond movies is you need to actually have been watching them all so the guy comes in approaches the mother who's like i'm looking for you know is the man of the house home and she's like no he's not here and he says he killed my whole family so guess what and kills her mother she's hiding upstairs he goes around looking for her because he doesn't actually know i think that there's necessarily anybody else there but then he hears the tamagotchi the curse of the tamagotchi anyway he hears that and turns around and is ready to light up the bed that she's hiding under but instead she pops up and shoots the crap out of him with a gun and we knew about this she told this story that's why i remembered because she she talked about how like men came to my house to try and kill me or whatever when i was a little girl she i think it was inspector well it would have had to have been i recall her telling this story to bond i think when they were at le merica i had forgotten that she had told that story but that that just makes one of my complaints about this movie even stronger but we'll get there in a moment no worries she is successful seemingly and she blows off part of the no mask in the process and then cut to her dragging the body outside and leaving a trail of blood behind and then he wakes up or regains consciousness and sits up so i you know i guess she missed the vitals even though it seems that she hit him at least partly in the face we only see a little bit of his face but it looks like he's got some sort of skin issue and then she freaks out and takes off running out across this frozen lake he for some reason still has his gun and that's only on the re-watch was i like why does he still have his gun why why wouldn't she have taken that away there's a lot that doesn't make sense about this sequence she shoots safin we we don't know what seven the man she shoots the man like multiple she unloads the entire clip of the gun into him technically it's a magazine but continue sure unloads the entire magazine until the gun is like clicking yeah at this guy shoots him multiple times he falls off a loft onto the floor down below and is clearly like not breathing right like he's he's dead man is dead then she has time to like go put on snow boots and a jacket and drag this like full-grown man as a like a young girl down out of the house through the snow before he starts breathing again so there's like clearly like 10 minutes have elapsed here before he comes like comes back to life it's like with bond villains that have a gimmick it really feels like they're going for a thing here where it's like he's the unkillable man it really feels like he's dead and he comes back to life if you're looking at the timeline it's not like he's just been unconscious for a minute or two it's been a while and if you look at the bullet wounds there's one basically on his heart yeah and there's no payoff for that like this yeah they never do anything with it this guy we will discover is not like he doesn't have something in his brain that makes him not feel pain he uh he doesn't he doesn't have a robotic chest he's on an android he hasn't spent years of i don't know whatever the hell tantric learning to to not process to don't know to be able to stop his own blood from escaping his body or something no he's just he's a guy right and this this is notably the second time he has survived something fatal yes because we will learn that he has also previously survived a poisoning which we assume is why his face looks like that like it we it doesn't look like this later but in this instance it's happened recently so i assume that the highly visible veins in his face is as a result of the surviving the poisoning we think but i don't know but then it just never comes up again no it's not like something he gets to use to his advantage at any later point in the film no that's true the girl the young madeleine swann runs away across the frozen lake which starts cracking under her feet and then she falls through the ice into the frigid water and starts drifting towards saffin who takes aim and looks at her for a moment and she looks directly up at him through the ice then he shoots in a circle around her to break the ice up and reaches in and grabs her out of the lake and pulls her up to the surface and then we in a very good transition i'll admit cut to madeleine swann now as an adult surfacing out of the water in the ocean as she's going for a swim and we're in the present day and we're now well i mean not quite actually i mean i guess we're in the present day but technically we're there's another time jumper oh you're right there is another time jump this is this is after the events of spectre is what's happening here and bond is there he comes down to the beach because she looks a little discombobulated and he's like are you okay she's like yeah let's let's you know let's let's get going then we dissolve to a beautiful shot of them both in the aston martin the old school aston martin the silver one driving along this coastal road winding along with the contours of the mountainside and she says you know maybe what if you drive a little faster and he says why why do why do you want to go faster we have all the time in the world and i say out loud in the theater come on and i'm immediately on death watch right i'm like oh yeah poor madeleine swann right to their credit that doesn't end up being what happens but you know i think for the people who work on bond and the people who are super fans of the series i think ohmss casts a long shadow me too i like i think it lives rent-free in the heads of people who work in movies yeah even though as we said in the episode the general public maybe wasn't as up on it at the time it's clear that the people who make movies love that movie which is a little unfortunate in this case i found the fact that they come back to this particular reference like this specific reference the all the time in the world reference and the song cue twice in the film actually really bugged me really oh yeah it felt like a really cheap reference to make in context like just a really like oh okay i see what you're doing like you're right i mean he immediately put me on death watch but it's also just i really didn't like it i'm like oh come on you haven't earned this you've truly not earned this and so i it just put me it put my guard up right away and so i mean we haven't even gotten to the point where i think the movie should have started yet so [Laughter] we're we're all in it like we're completely in the part of the film that i think you could just fast forward through before starting the movie so we'll we'll get there i'll call out the specific shot that i think should actually be the first shot of the film but right now we are firmly in the territory of like parts of the movie that just feel like wasted air for me that's fair i think that's i think that's reasonable i think it's like neat potentially to have that background on swan and her relationship to safin but like it's only very minorly relevant as it turns out well for him to have that they use it to confuse the movie they do a bit yeah that's fair but it's done in a way that doesn't make sense and we'll talk about that more as they start to draw on it in the story but it is just a straight up a part of this movie that makes no sense and it's like they're using it for conflict in the script but it's not something that should be generating conflict at all but we'll get there we'll get there the scene by the way on the road here is in italy whereas the one in ohmss was in portugal and they are not the same filming location like they were they were on camera in italy and portugal respectively and they are also that is also the the filming locations it just looks very similar and it's a gorgeous shot oh it's gorgeous i also love the shot coming through the tunnel to reveal the location of the city which looks fake but isn't it it's a beautiful location yeah it looks like middle earth it does almost i mean it doesn't help that there's a bunch of fires all around the town now as they're walking to their hotel room because they're just you know they're just bumming around on vacation in in italy the man carrying their bags explains why everything's on fire i don't know if this is a real tradition but apparently everyone is uh writing stuff down they're like uh wishes or confessions or whatever they're writing stuff down on pieces of paper and lighting them on fire to sort of like release it into the it's like a cleansing thing yeah letting go of the past yeah yeah exactly let the past die kill it if you have to abrupt cut to bond and swan pork and in the hotel room and then cut to them chatting afterwards where turns out they still don't know a lot about one another or at least they don't know everything about one another they sort of make a deal that it's like all right look swann says look you need to make peace with vesper because that's still been weighing on you and then i'll tell you my stuff she's like i mean you could do it now she's buried in the acropolis in this town and bond is like i know i know that i know exactly where she's buried it was weird that you were there but okay it's strange how they keep going back to to vesper it's all in the like they're really working to try and drive the idea that there's some sort of narrative arc to bond where there isn't there's the two movies where bond is all about vesper then there's skyfall that happens and then there's spectre where they try to retcon everything in the previous three movies into having been of a grand master plan of bond's half-brother dr evil and then there there's this one where it's like okay now this one is the sequel to that one and so in order for the story to progress it's like okay well now bond's new love of his life he has to like let go of his attachment to vesper in order for this relationship to progress again i think it's mostly unearned the groundwork like the elements that they're drawing on were all there in those movies but it just feels like they're really trying to force this and again we're still not at the shot that i think should open the film so we're still all in like wasted pathos right we're trying to do like relationship building between them but it won't matter and we're trying to do like character history building but it's all referring to stuff we've already seen we're not getting any information that actually aids the story of the film and we're 10 minutes into the movie and it's not like they laid the groundwork for that right they didn't they basically do every movie as a brand new like they never know if they're going to be able to get the same actors back in subsequent movies and so they didn't certainly not with casino royale they didn't go in and go like all right here's our five act structure thank god that they did frankly and so yeah it really was with spectre they were like well here's what we have currently so let's ram jam all this together and then looking at this movie it's like all right we ram jammed everything together how do we get out of it yeah i think there's even just a tighter version of this movie that does that in an okay way but it needs to be about a half an hour shorter and a whole bunch of scenes need to come out so i actually thought that for a movie of this length which is preposterous because it's 163 minutes i actually felt like it was a well paced 163 minutes yes that said i agree with you that there's a bunch of stuff that you could cut out yes so it's not a question of pacing for me it's just there's a bunch of unnecessary stuff in the movie that doesn't aid the story at all yeah because i didn't feel like it dragged and i've watched shorter movies that have felt longer when this didn't so props to that but i agree with you that this there's a bunch of stuff that could be not here yeah in the morning bond is walking across this cool bridge everything is stone here which is why nothing gets lit on fire when everyone's hurling fiery paper out of their windows i'm actually gonna pull you back just a little bit because oh yeah there's a scene we've just sort of glossed over it here but there's a shot of madeleine and bond after they've hooked up having a conversation about bond being like yeah i'll do it i'll do it i'll go to the acropolis and i'll i'll let vesper go so that we can carry on and then you'll tell me where we're going next while he's doing that madeleine goes over to the desk and writes palm mask on a piece of paper tears it lights it on fire and throws it out the window again like letting go of the past right the mask man and the whole purpose of this is to make this the big they're talking about how madeline has a secret that like a part of her past that she hasn't told bond about and they keep with the whole opening sequence and now with this they continue to drive that this masked man is this terrible secret that she's carrying with her i just want to like note that that happens all right remember that for later the whole like trying to confuse the story of this movie to make it seem like more than it is there's gonna be lots of references over the course of the movie to the the secret that madeleine has that bond doesn't know this is not the secret huh [Laughter] it does not make sense for this to be the secret this is just it isn't this is not it this is in this instance but as you say in the previous movie she told bond that like a man came to her house and killed her family so like this is not some mysterious aspect of her like maybe he doesn't have a ton of detail but like this is not it this is not actually the thing that is going to become the important thing that she is keeping from bond and it not being this with this being in the opening makes the whole timeline of the movie completely nonsense they just want the audience to think that this masked man is her secret and that the big central conflict of the movie is that this masked man in her past is going to haunt bon and it's just it's like that's not actually the thing that the movie cares about and by trying to make it confusing and like like by trying to obscure it it actually undercuts the thing that they actually could have built some suspense around we know about this already it's the first thing they show us in the movie so it's not like we don't know what's going on in madeleine's past and so there's no mystery there other than just the mystery of sitting in your seat and being like wait that doesn't make sense why wouldn't she have just told him that so anyhow yes then we move on to the morning and bond is like all right i'm gonna go do this and then you're gonna tell me where we're going next and she says home and i think that is the first scene of this movie right so that is where i think this movie should have started bond wakes up gets dressed says to madeline okay i'm gonna go do this thing we can just remember that madeleine was the love interest of the previous movie and the movie can just trust us to do that yeah and he just says i'm going to go do this thing and then you're going to tell me where we're going next and she says home and then we cut to him walking up the mountainside if the movie opens there we lose no narrative information at all and we cut right into an action scene because again the whole point of saffin being unkillable is a red herring or well red herring or or just is not actually a thing at all maybe just maybe it's not even a real thing and the opening with madeline doesn't give us any information it doesn't tell us anything all right so 12 minutes into the movie the movie starts and bond goes and asks the like cemetery keeper i guess like hey i'm looking for the lind vault or whatever and then this guy takes him over there and yeah it's like this grassy hillside covered in you know little mausoleums and there's one for vest berlin he goes up to it and they i do appreciate that there's a one little refrain in the music of the theme song from casino royale and he has a piece of paper where he's written forgive me and he lights that on fire and throws it to the ground someone i saw noted that the motto surmounting the tomb here it's in latin and it roughly translates to what i am you two will become oh wow foreshadowing if you know latin yeah exactly yeah so it's like oh that's whoa oh spicy okay as he drops the piece of paper with the note on it he sees that there's another piece of paper with a bundle of roses with a spectre logo on it and he realizes a half second too late that something is up as the tomb explodes just just boom like in a in a pretty unsurvivable way but no no it's not safin it's bond that's the unkillable one [Laughter] i mean it takes him a moment he gets completely knocked unconscious and is totally out of breath and you got the tinnitus like ear-ringing high-pitched noise and he's fumbling around like a fool but you know he does he does in fact survive he tries to get his phone out his weird phone it's like not a modern phone apparently because of the delays of this movie they had to do some reshoots of product integrations because they were now like a year and a half out of date right of like the cell phone technology like they did uh i think it was nokia did a tv commercial with lashanna lynch who shows up later in the movie she's still using the old the older model but they had to like cg the newer model into her hands in in a commercial that they had made i love it i believe yeah i don't know exactly all of the details but anyway so surviving a an explosion that would kill any other human being bond runs back sees that the cemetery keeper has taken off is chasing the guy who showed him to the tomb across the bridge when the the goons descend and boy do they they pin him in on the bridge there's a car on one side and a guy on a motorbike on the other side and so bond's like well guess i'm gonna have to jump and so he just runs at the side of the bridge grabs uh like a wire oh i'm sorry he also gets shot he does get shot and it's like he's he's stunned silent he doesn't know what's going on and then he gets shot he's like huh i've been shot he gets shot like in the shoulder and that like alerts him to the fact that there's someone behind him he's like ow what the oh there's a car driving at me all right anyway he runs to the side of the bridge grabs a big cable and like swings out under the bridge and lands underneath it it's a very cool looking stunt problem with the movie having just come out is i don't know as much like behind the scenes information but uh you know i i know one little bit of behind the scenes information about this sequence yeah without like going through it by shot by shot this is just an awesome action sequence it's action sequence it's great yeah i think it's really really good it is it this chase all through this like rustic italian city built on a mountainside as uh bond is being like chased by motorcycle dudes and guys in cars and the whole bit and he manages to fight with the henchmen we'll have this one recurring henchman here who's got a robotic eye and bond gets into a fight with them and the piece of information that's revealed in this fight is that blofeld sends his regards and that madeleine is a daughter of spectre and he puts this idea in bond's mind that madeleine has betrayed him and she's given them his location and that's that's why they know he's there because she had said you need to go to where vesper's buried yeah she was the impetus for him going there so it's very easy for him to believe that because of course he doesn't trust anybody but he does choke the guy out the guy nicknamed cyclops he does choke him out not enough to kill him but enough to pop the eye out of his head which he takes we we don't see him take it but we we learn that he's taking the eye wait do we yeah because he has the eye later on i thought that was a different eye i thought that was the eye from cuba different eye he doesn't like cyclops doesn't have the eye for the remainder of this fight i i assume that he just took the eye fair enough i guess you could be right it could be it could be either anyhow the bit of information he takes cyclops's bike yes like his motorbike and drives off on it and we have this motorbike set of stunts that happen as bond is trying to make his escape there's a scene where he rides this motorbike up a staircase and over a wall into a crowd of people which was heavily featured in the trailers incredible stunt my understanding in terms of the like behind the scenes information here is that in order for this stunt to work they had to pour just gallons and gallons and gallons of coca-cola onto the cobbles i heard about that to give the bike enough grip yeah that it could land yeah because there wasn't enough traction on the the landing pad so in order to make the road sticky they had to coat the entire place in coca-cola and let it dry mm-hmm apparently 77 000 us dollars because it was 8 400 gallons of coca-cola and apparently you know because they they cleaned it all up afterwards apparently everything looked really clean afterwards yeah no doubt it's like apparently that's just the stunt coordinator was like this is just what we do like what what do you mean we just use coca-cola because it works really well for this can there not be a different solution no no don't fix what ain't broken right yeah and coke was one of the like production partners too they'd have to be if he used that much yeah hey uh got a call from aeon productions uh-huh yeah they want they want um 31 000 liters of coca-cola what how thirsty no no no no no they're gonna pour it all over a rustic italian town why so the motorcycle doesn't slide hold the are you [Laughter] are you awake right now are you just like dream talking what the hell it is a very good it's a shame that there's there's a lot in this movie that upon like greater scrutiny i realize is real and that i initially am just like oh that was a cool cg oh yeah like that that jump is like looks like it could just be fake but it's real and it's amazing anyway he gets back to the hotel and the porter is like but sir your your bags are just down here like your wife requested also driving further suspicion into bond so he heads upstairs great shot of swan going to check her makeup in a mirror and in the mirror we see reflected bond standing in the doorway i love the line from bond there letting go is hard right because he looks like absolute crap because he's just been exploded and chased on a motorcycle yeah yeah bond in his explosion addled tremendous and i think not unjustified distrust of madeleine considering what just happened and what the guy from spectre said and the whole like oh no your bag's already down here like it all if he stopped to think about it for like a couple seconds then you know maybe he might not be so so suspicious but in this moment you know he's been he's quite rattled he does get a moment to think in a few minutes and i wouldn't i wouldn't say in a calm situation but he does get a moment to think anyway the car chase continues now in the aston martin also a very cool action sequence this whole car chase is very cool i like that there's a flock of sheep there's someone tending the flock of sheep and the guy gets a phone call and it's subtitled it's like release the sheep what why because if you don't i'll kill you all right and so bond actually gets to you you get to use some some gadgets the car yeah the car has gadgets and we get to actually use them he's got like caltrops and stuff and that's fun i like the caltrops oh right while they're driving around swan gets a phone call and she pulls her phone out of her purse and of course the caller id picture is the spectre logo [Laughter] why do you have them in your contacts but of course this is this is more this is more blowfield doing stuff anyway she answers the phone at bonds behest it's blofeld who's like oh thanks madeline you're doing a great job you know your sacrifice will be we we really appreciate this thank you for you know your daddy would be so proud like really hammering home the whole like get it bond she's working for us yeah which to be fair like at this point the audience doesn't know but the audience also assumes that that's not what's happening right i mean it part of that is just leia sudo really plays this scene this whole sequence really really well yeah like she's just a very good actress and that like the moment to think that you mentioned where she's like begging james to do something and get them out of this situation and she just looks up with like tears in her eyes and like snot dripping from her nose because she's so distraught just this pouting like i didn't i didn't do it like it wasn't me that basically convinces james to like okay i'll do something and like i did you know he sort of gets most of the way there to realizing that she's not the one in control of this situation at the very least and probably that she didn't at least knowingly betray him yeah and her her performance in this scene is just really really really good and sells it really really really well yeah the aston martin gets cornered and surrounded in a square and everyone just unloads their weapons at it and of course the aston martin is completely utterly bulletproof to an astonishing degree and so they're both sitting inside bonds remaining fairly unflappable and swann of course is freaking out as these impacts appear on the car all around them and then cyclops whatever his his character has a name but they only ever call him cyclops in the movie primo i believe is his actual name so primo gets his own gun out and walks over to the car and just starts hammering the same location on the bulletproof class over and over again and it's right at swan and we see it get progressively less and less we see the structural integrity of the glass begin to fail as she's as you say begging and then eventually bond is like okay flips a button the little mini guns come out from behind the headlights and then he just starts doing a drift doing drift circles and blowing up all of them and then he hits the smoke and then the smoke pops off my favorite part of this my favorite part of this is the spent casings ejecting from the vents on the side of the aston martin it's so good i hadn't even noticed that good thinking oh yeah good thinking cue oh that's great that's very good making their escape undercover a smokescreen bond and swan make it back into town and to the train station with their car looking like hell and bond walks her over to a train that's about to leave you get the impression at this point he's like all right i don't think that you actually betrayed me but we can't be together because it's not safe for either of us she says well how how will i know that you're okay and he says you won't you'll never see me again and she reacts very poorly to that and i only notice this on my re-watch she grabs her stomach oh yeah when he says you'll never see me again so spoilers for later in the movie she is already at this point pregnant and knows that she is and hasn't told bond and when he says you'll never see me again she reflexively grabs her stomach i thought that was a really nice detail yeah i didn't notice that i didn't notice it on my first watch either that fixes my complaint about the timeline not making sense oh if she already knew at this point then it's because she says one one of the quips in here is i have something to tell you and bond says i bet you do oh right they've been talking about how she has a secret to tell him and the movie has been to this point making it look like it's her past it's not and if she already knows the thing i have to tell you is that she's carrying his child right if that groundwork which you're right has already been laid in the opening here literally everything to do with their past is just red herring like it just it adds nothing it's to be fair that's very subtle but i appreciate it it's there but anyhow that as the train leaves transitions us into the opening titles 24 minutes not only the longest bond film the longest pre-title sequence in any but this is why almost 10 minutes is gonna say this is ten minutes longer than tomorrow never dies so they just cut the first 12 minutes off like i suggested and we get back into a normal pre-title or was it was it the world is not enough the world is not enough at 14 20. that's the one the world is not enough thank you all right and then die another day at 13 27 before that right it's been a while since we've done these the very beginning the very beginning of the opening title sequence graphics are a hard throwback to dr know with the multi-colored dots oh oh yes they are and i noticed that the first time and i like the dots they should do the dots more because it's a it's a it's an anniversary right it's it's a bondiversary yeah so opening title sequence visually designed once again by daniel kleinman who's been on it for years and opening title song no time to die co-written and performed by billy eilish as we mentioned for which she won a grammy along with phineas who is her brother and co-writer on this song now when this song was released because this song again it won the grammy before the movie was even out and it was released before it was originally intended for the movie to be released so this song has been out there for a while yeah you listened to it immediately i did i pointedly did not the first time i heard this was when i saw the opening titles because i wanted to see it in context for the very first time right and if i recall correctly you didn't love it oh i did this song huffs did you like it any better in context no all right it's just so sluggish and so dour it does nothing for me so seeing it for the first time in context of the opening titles and then again on the re-watch i started actually quite liking it i was like okay yes this works you know it's it's a it's one of the down tempo numbers it's not like it's not the banger section oh what are our definitely ballad thank you what are our categories there we go right it's a ballad banger and belter but definitely ballad it's definitely valid and it needed to go belter at the end yeah it starts as a ballad and it's like slow and it's you know it feels like it's building and then it just doesn't build it just sort of continues at that kind of level of energy for the whole thing and i think it really needed i think if it had had a just a turn up in the last third then i think it actually could have been really really good as it is for me the song i was like yeah okay you know what it's fine i have certainly i have no ill will towards billy eilish i i watch the vanity fair interview every year have you seen that i have seen that it exists as i say i like i have i've paid so little attention to billy eilish over the course of her career that you can just assume i'm not i have not tuned in i'm i'm writing down matt wiggins deeply uncool that's fair i'm an old i know i'm an old it's all right to be fair i don't i i would not say that i listened to billy eilish i have heard a bunch of her songs and i'm like yeah right cool yeah i think she's quite talented yeah i get it and honestly her singing here i think is really good i just think i just it it needed to be a ballad that becomes a belter and it was just like a ballad at the same level the whole way along and it never it needed to land harder and it does it does a similar thing to writings on the wall last movie it has a rise there's a melodic rise in the song where it does [Music] and it feels like it's building and then it just drops back to the super listless vocal delivery and it like it i have said before i think these are basically the same song and it's not because they sound exactly alike like the melodies aren't the same but they follow a really similar pattern of letting the orchestration do all of the work and provide any energy to the song and the the vocal delivery is just listless and dull listless vocal delivery is kind of billy eilish's thing yeah i just want more i just want more yeah no i agree i don't know i did feel some joy these are supposed to be fun movies right like i'm here for big bombastic action scenes and cool gadgets and fun world traversing adventures and the opening pre-title and the credit scene are supposed to prime me for the things that follow and when you drop a really plotting opening title track into the movie it's just like okay it just makes the movie feel downbeat and that's not what i'm tuning into a bond movie for i'm not here for a downbeat adventure and it's not like it's giving me a rest because the whole previous 25 minutes you know there was nine minutes of action scene but it was a 25 minute opening and like i'm i'm like literally begging the movie to build to something and we're just about to go into like an entire first act of exposition so like give me some things to cling to here in terms of the giving the movie some energy and thrust and and i like the opening title does not accomplish that at all so if that's if that's your opinion sort of when watching it initially having now seen the rest of the movie do you feel that that that that is thematically appropriate a little bit we'll get into it the movie has some really great upbeat stuff in it but i i don't know i i get what they're doing but i just particularly on the back of the previous film like just opening the movie with a dirge [Laughter] is i don't know i like i get it i understand but please don't [Laughter] we can do the things this movie is doing and still have fun along the way and the movie to its credit the movie tries yeah visually i think kleinman does a lot of cool stuff here particularly i love the image of there's this spiral of handguns oh yeah start firing and they're firing at one another such that the line of smoke between two handguns just makes like one solid line and then you realize that the guns are arranged in a double helix so it's like dna as a weapon that comes into play is a big thing in the movie i i would go so far as to say that is the only really iconic visual from this opening though true i like the detail that it's showing a bunch of sort of obscuring through again through like line work some shots of bond and swan and then on the line in the song faces from my past then it's a shot of vesper and only in that one and there's like a visual reference to the intro to casino royale there's hands of a clock that look like sort of the bits from playing cards and it's definitely meant to be like a invoking the sort of the casino royale thing but i think that's i think that's fair to say the the rest of it is sort of i mean there's a bit with saffin's mask that's like cool but that's mostly on the basis of the the mask is creepy yeah i don't know i i'm trying to bring to mind the things that are in this opening title and there's like the statue that frosts over stained with blood i just noticed sorry i just noticed there's a shot of some stuff in silhouette including a scuba diver with like flippers and a harpoon gun and it's like that's that that is not a thing in this movie no is this this like what movie was it that had like secret frogmen it was the the one with uh no it was diamonds or forever remember there was the the oil rig right yeah and it all ends in the oil rig and on the poster there was the frogman and they shot that part but didn't end up using the naval attack from the sea right we found them i do actually want to say absolute banger of a transition out of this because it gets sort of like yeah like a kaleidoscope the kaleidoscope effect unfurls into this beautiful shot of a building reflecting a sunrise and it's just the way that it transitions back into the main body of the movie is very strong but i agree with you gun double helix a plus visual from the opening titles otherwise not a barnstormer no i can't believe we're already half an hour into this movie it's five years later no but in the movie it's five years later it says that on screen at this point and a crack team of mercenaries are repelling down the face of this building and they they break into the building they do this cool they use some sort of cool gadget that cuts a whole pane of glass out that i guess because of the cushion of air underneath it falls silently to the floor on the inside of the building makes it it makes a little bit of a thud but not it's like a plum a smash yeah just a thud i appreciate that this team is rappelling upside down and we start to see it's like we we see sort of like a pov from them so we're looking like upside down into the hallway and then we look at them from the hallway also upside down and then as they unbuckle and flip around the camera also rotates very cool yeah and there's a lot of really nice shots in this movie that i that i really appreciate so where are they well it's some sort of lab and like a lot of scientists hanging around and we see three of them in particular one of them gets up to go get something out of the fridge and the other two make a big deal of like oh wait where did i put that highly infectious smallpox i was working on like oh what you mean the really really bad one the one that's that's like terribly awful yeah i don't know where i put it i don't know where it could be and then the third scientist pulls his soup out of the fridge and it has the label on it from the smallpox implying that i don't know if if it's implying that they actually tampered with his lunch or if they just put the sticker on it and he's like well either way this is ruined you guys are thanks you're really funny it's awesome i'm gonna give you one of these days i'm gonna give you ebola and i'll then i'll be laughing i'll sit here and watch your face melt off that'll be hilarious it's like this is a this is a weird workplace yeah a healthy healthy workplace environment absolutely this was the one casting choice that that i was like whoa what hang on huh because the one of the i guess we'll say the bully scientists is played by hugh dennis he's a british comedian and a panel show mainstay like he's one of the regular panelists on mock the week and he's also on an entire season of taskmaster which is where i first came to know him and so we're sitting there in the theater and i'm like who is that and kathleen's like he was on taskmaster and i'm like oh right because he's really silly and so seeing him as just like just like random scientist cameo in no time to die was a surprise shall we say he was also in a few episodes of flea bag that makes sense yeah which phoebe waller bridge worked on and maybe that was the connection he played a bank manager in four episodes so i don't know maybe that's maybe that's where that connection was but i was like what is hugh dennis doing here this is really strange the other scientist the one being picked on is dr valdo ubrachev or obrachev played by david denik who is a danish swedish actor who has been in tinker taylor's soldier spy chernobyl and apparently he was meant to have a smaller role in the movie but fukunaga liked him so much that just sort of kept him around in the plot it was like yeah he could still be useful later on and i i actually i like that i i kind of like that you know he's like a recurring he's like in a final fantasy game where you have the mini bosses that aren't a threat but just keep showing up yeah he's a little bit like i mean to just throw reference to an old bond movie he's a little bit like boris he is a big golden eye like he is this movie he's boris definitely he gets a phone call who's like they're here and he just thinks it's a prank or whatever and like what who's here spectre spectre is here and he's like oh okay and immediately starts doing stuff with his computer and putting stuff on an sd card the voice on the phone instructs him to swallow the sd card or usb key or whatever which he does and the voice on the phone tells him they are under the impression that they need you so give them the thing and they won't hurt you and he's like okay then this team bursts in and starts shooting up the place and killing people killing security guards just murdering everyone they pull the scientists out and they're all like no it's where scientists were unarmed what is it what do you want and they they go to him and go oh are you dr oberchev uh yes great good get me this thing out of the get me the you know the the weapon or whatever it is out of the thing and urbanchef says well it's it's too it's double encrypted and he goes okay great pick one of the other people then and he gestures to hugh dennis's character and the other scientist is yelling at the both of them she's like don't don't give it to them don't let them you can't let them take this and then they all get killed yep so then oprah chef and dr hardy hugh dennis's character get out whatever this thing is and then he gets killed so it's just obrechev left it's a bit grim so they have whatever this thing is and they make their escape and the way they make their escape it's kind of great it's kind of great they have they open up an elevator shaft they have this giant thing it looks like a cartoon atomic bomb and they drop it down the elevator shaft and as it's falling it fires a bunch of pitons out to the sides of the elevator shaft they all have these illuminated lights on them and then it hits the bottom of the shaft and blows a hole through the basement and then they all put on these suits they put and they put oprah chef in a suit like a vest thing that powers on also with led lights and then they all just jump into the elevator shaft and they're on like a very high floor of this thing and he's like no i can't what what are you doing no any because they're all it's magnets and so they have like the repulsor magnets on their thing and the magnets are now surrounding the elevator shaft so they get slowed down until it's safe for them to drop and it's that's i love this as a bond movie gadget because it's one of those things that's like i'm confident that's [ __ ] but but maybe maybe it's not yeah it's not plausible i could you know i you know maybe that it yeah all right i'm like hell things with magnetism and presumably we slow things with magnetism on rails we have trains that operate that way yeah maybe this works it's plausible yeah i'm like all right yeah i can i can see that on their way out they detonate the entire lab and blow it out and so there's this really cool wide shot of london with just this one window on a office building going and then we cut to mi6 where moneypenny once again played by naomi harris bursts into m's office once again m played by ray fines and it's like hey we have a problem here and he's also like they've just been informed at the same moment he's like yep i know i'm just looking at it now and he pulls up a thing and this you know whatever this project is project heracles something terrible has happened and many penny's like what's what is heracles and he's like don't worry about it uh i'll handle this and she's like okay cool do you want me to it was a gas leak yeah do you want me to alert the prime minister no i did i'll handle it and it's like that's suspicious so there's one thing about this scene that gets me every time and it's only upon like going through it frame by frame that it became obvious to me what is going on here because it's less than a second of screen time but when naomi harris or when money penny busts into m's office she says sir i've just received the most unusual report and he says i've seen it right but because of the way they've like got him he's reclined on the couch in his office and he's got a newspaper that he puts down and like as she busted it looks like he's just chilling there reading the news and says i've seen it and then he turns on the tv and gets the report right yeah it's like oh money penny's here i better look busy how could you possibly have already seen it if you were reading the newspaper and you only learn about the details by turning on the tv that i've seen it doesn't make sense but looking at it in super slow motion he's got his phone up and so he's like already putting down the paper and is looking at his phone where he's received the notification on his phone and then he puts his phone down and turns on the tv to get the full report and so like it does not read very well at full speed no you didn't see it at all you're just looking busy also how come someone pinged it directly to m and not via money penny yeah yeah anyhow it's like a stupid nitpicky thing that doesn't matter but it just gets me every time i thought the same thing when i saw it i was like wait what what do you mean you've already what yeah no i thought exactly the same thing at the end of the scene m says where is double07 and then it hard cuts to bond on a boat somewhere in the bahamas having gone fishing it's a good boat nice boat he must still have a lot of money squirreled away and he returns home with yeah two big fish to this like amazing coastal abode where he's been i guess hiding off the grid i mean semi off the grid because he immediately notices that there's cigar ash that has been left behind and then eventually he goes and finds one of the cigars i don't know if the implication is that the cigar has been left or if it was his that someone came in and smoked but i think it was the first one i think it was someone brought it in smoked it and left it there on purpose definitely that is the case i love this what a heck of a detail he looks at it and the kind of cigar is a delictato which if you recall from die another day basically our favorite scene in die another day was the bit where bond is doing actual like spy stuff in cuba and he goes into that factory floor and asks for the delictatos and they're like no no we don't make those anymore we haven't made them in years and he's like ask your boss that someone's here looking for the delictatos and he gets on the phone is like okay he says go upstairs and it turns out that the guy who runs the cigar place is like a embedded agent for mi6 yeah yeah yeah because they're not they're not a real they're not a thing that exists like they're not a real well i think i think it's one of those things where they didn't exist but they do now because of bond they're right but yeah i just i thought that was a neat touch that it's not just that someone's left a cigar there it's particularly a delictato which means the bond is like oh okay i know who this is yeah and so he drives into town yeah and who does he immediately come across none other than felix lighter yay who showed up as a at his place and smoked a cigar and left it behind i didn't realize that lighter of course hadn't been in skyfall or spectre right this is jeffrey wright returning to the role after 12 years it's been that long [Laughter] god i am old yeah this is also he's he's he's now the only actor who's played felix lighter three times also every bond film that's had a section in the bahamas has also had felix in it right because that's just that's where he hangs out i guess just in this movie universe that's his assignment but no no like going all the way back oh bond hasn't gone to the bahamas necessarily that often given the breadth of the franchise but any movie in the bahamas also has felix in it right okay yeah yeah so yeah jeffrey wright is back as felix lighter and who's with him there's a guy named logan ash oh that's right loganash played by billy magnussen does a good job of being a schmuck oh man what a schmuck again well cast what a punchable face this guy has no doubt [Laughter] they're trying to be like bond and lighter or trying to be cool because lighter is like hey i want to pull you back into the game there's this guy and shows him a picture of a bridge chef and he shows them the picture and lighters like you're gonna say you've never heard of him and bond goes i've never heard of him because they're obviously just sort of you know like they're playing and logan ash is like how can you say you've never heard of him he's this guy he's you know you must know about this guy while you were in mi6 yeah and it's like can you just imagine felix is like shut up you're embarrassing me apparently he was a political appointee he's from the state department yeah which definitely must be driving lighter up the wall anyway bond after making eyes with a waitress is like i'm not gonna do this goodbye sorry i'm not interested because this guy defected to england and now has skipped town and the cia wants him brought in but they're not talking to mi6 and bond's like i don't like that you you have fun i've i'm retired goodbye yeah speaking of which this is what the the fourth consecutive bond movie where bond is retired and coming out of retirement oh man like oh you're right you know this is this is what we've we've banged on this drum so many times punched a hole through this drum but like in casino royale it's him being promoted to double o status and then from then on every movie is like one last ride yeah if you must make it an arc god if you must and start with that with casino royale he's just becoming a double o and then have the last movie be like coming back out of retirement but let the three in the middle just have him be bond [Laughter] with ya so he tries to leave he tries to head back to his place but his truck won't turn on and the waiters he was making eyes at comes by in a scooter and is like do you need a lift and he's like yeah all right sure why not so she gives him a ride back to his place and is very quickly like oh is this the bedroom and she heads in there and he's like well okay and he walks in after her and she removes her wig to a great quip from bond yeah that's not the first thing i thought you were gonna take off but all right it should be mentioned also as an aside primo aka cyclops was also in that bar yes in fact there's like a lot of stuff going on here because on the woman is lashawna lynch she has been tailing bond all through this series of scenes taking place in the bahamas so when bond drives into town he passes a motorbike with some speakers on it and she is standing next to the bike watching him drive by before he's even met up well he likes yeah so she's on the side of the road watching him drive into town then there's the whole thing with felix she's in the bar cyclops is in the bar then bond goes out finds his truck broken down and she drives up and offers him a ride so like everybody is in the mix here because it turns out that she is in fact working for mi6 in fact as bond very quickly surmises he says you're a double o like he just instantly is like oh okay i see what's going on here you're you're a double o and she's like yeah yeah i am so this is double 07. this is the new double 07. now i don't know how you felt about this but let me let me explain an issue i have with her characterization because overall go for it overall i quite like her but they do this thing with the number 007 where she's like by the way you didn't ask what number i am it's double 07. i bet you would have thought they'd retired it after you he responds he's like it's just a number and i think the intent was for us to feel like bond is actually bothered by that but the way that craig sells it tells me that he truly doesn't give a [ __ ] right and through the whole movie double 07 or nomi as her character's name is keeps needling him about this until eventually just before the final act she's like hey em i would like to ask you to redesignate bond as double o seven and he he doesn't give a [ __ ] yeah i think the intent was that it's supposed to be she's being cool about it slash poking the bear and that bond is supposed to be annoyed by this and then eventually she comes to realize no wait this guy's actually great and he he can have his he can have his number and i'm okay with that but what it comes across to me like is that she's just being needlessly shitty and that bond truly doesn't care and at the end when she's like no no you should have this that's it comes across to me like that's that's for her conscience and i don't think that was actually intended yeah so there's one other layer to this that you've sort of neglected to mention which is that when bond gets reinstated as a double o but not double 07 m is like i'm reinstating you as a double o and and she immediately goes which one what number and then it comes up again later on like she asks again like but what number this whole back and forth should just not be in the movie or if they it should have been done completely differently i agree i think there is like a cute way to do this but you have to do it in a way that doesn't have her being like needlessly shitty to bond because they're playing it in a way that like she's insecure about the number and so she values the number and she is insecure about the sort of the legacy she's having to live up to and her character growth is like giving the number away at the end of the movie but it's such a nothing thing like yeah it's just such a nothing thing and the like turning around and being like i'm the new double 07 and i bet that bothers you doesn't it it's just like no just just play it cool just be like you know i'm a double o and then have it come up and if you want to make a thing of it have bond initiate the reaction right just have her play it cool it's like oh yeah i'm the new double 07 whatever and bond can either care or not or can pretend like he doesn't care but actually does a bit and is a little miffed by it or she's playing it cool but she's actually really insecure about the legacy of the number and so like she's protective of it in a way but not shitty about it it just makes her feel like a needlessly sort of unsympathetic character early in the movie which is a real shame because i think she's great and i'd love to have her come back in future movies yeah i totally agree because i like the idea of having them at odds like certainly she should be like whoa we're we're bringing this old dinosaur back into active duty i don't think that's a good idea and like have them be at odds that's fine but for her character growth as you say for the culmination of her arc to be handing the number back over sucks because bond undercut that as being a necessary arc to have by believably going i don't care it's just a number yeah i i don't know it further bugs me with the whole like we're bringing lashana lynch in as the first female double o seven like okay cool yeah sure i had no problem with it bond is not going to be double 07 at the end of this movie so having the number moved to a new agent is cool and having him just be a like an undesignated double o would reactivate it into the service and making a few jokes about like but which one on nomi's part is funny and it's cute it's like a nice bit right and having them have a rivalry potentially a round number is a nice bit but play it fun just don't make a thing of it right she's the first female07 cool that's awesome that's just cool it makes sense like the numbers move from agent to agent cool great i'm i'm all for it but then like having her make a thing of it in the movie just makes it really unsympathetic and it draws attention to the fact that like the filmmakers think they're doing a thing that needs recognizing yeah it almost feels like they're needling the audience like this bothers you doesn't it yeah but no it doesn't bother me i think it's great i think it's a good idea just just do it and don't make a big deal about it and that will be way better anyhow she says in this scene hey by the way i'm gonna do that thing for mi6 so stay out of my way and bond's like okay i don't want to do this and you can tell em i don't work for him and she chucks him a phone and it's like you can tell him yourself and it's like did you what about what i just said makes you think that i want this you really get the impression that bond is like no seriously actually will you go away but what how does he find out that there's a connection to spectre cause that's what pulls him back in logan tells him that was why they tried to reinvest him mi6 is wrapped up in this and it's a defected british asset and best of all spectres involved you're the perfect man for the job right and of course we'll find out later why of course logan would be the one to be like hey spectre's involved huh yeah anyway 007 nomi leaves makes that quip which we've talked about chuck's bond the phone and he's like okay well goodbye please leave me alone back at mi6 dimly lit dingy basement mi6 i guess q prefers low lights they're trying to figure out what's on the hard drives of dr oberchev and they're pretty thrapped and burned and destroyed so there's a bunch of files missing but he's going to keep on working at it when tanner once again played by rory kinnear gets a phone call it's bond i love that the like when em gets the phone he's expecting know me yeah because it's nobody's phone is like yes double07 and bond introduces himself and he's like uh bond why do you have this phone yeah exactly bond just gets confirmation that this is mi6's mess is like really all it comes down to is he's like hey i met your new double 07. she's lovely what have you done yeah what did you do and by the way i'm not helping you clean it up but spectre's involved so that's a problem am is like well i don't think so i don't think spectre's involved because blofeld is still in prison yeah and and he hangs up on bond as soon as bond needles him he hangs up on him immediately which basically gives bond the like confirmation he needs it's like what have you done and he gets hung up on i think that's basically what finally puts the nail in the coffin of bond's unwillingness to do this is like now his interest is peaked so he calls up felix and he's like hey guess what they do actually take a quick look at a live audio feed of blofeld in belmarsh prison where he's just sort of like he's speaking in tongues basically he's just sort of babbling incoherently and they're like okay i guess blowfeld's fine because bond telling m was the first that m had heard that spectre might be involved and so m's like wait let me check in on blofeld and blofeld's babbling and he's like okay that was a lie or that was not true all right whatever then bond has the moment of introspection and calls up felix and is like i'm back in the game except he doesn't actually ever talk like that he heads over to cuba as he pulls up with his boat he sees double 07 getting off of a seaplane they wave at one another across the dock they're like hey well she waves at him anyway and he's just like oh this will be fun and it will be and it will be this is far and away the best sequence in the movie way too short and i want more of it yeah more of this please this whole the next 15 or 20 minutes are awesome bond meets up with paloma who's a cia agent waiting for him at a soda shop or whatever played by ana de armas who was in knives out with daniel craig which is how she's here because craig suggested her for this role based on working with her in knives oh really yeah oh i didn't know that yeah she is wearing a dress with a v down to her navel and leg slits up to her waist and presumably so much tape i read some anecdote about like we wanted to make sure that it was going to be something that you could feasibly wear to a black tie cocktail night but also be you know wouldn't like restrict your movement as a secret agent and it's like yes that's definitely why you put her in this costume [Laughter] she's great uh there's a scene she's like okay cool you're late great come on come with me she takes him downstairs and he's like is this your room and she's like no it's the wine cellar and pulls him inside and starts like taking his shirt off and he's like well surely we should get to know each other better and she's like oh that's oh no that's not what i i got you a a suit how about you how about you put on the suit and he's like all right cool i love that she she has this moment and this look on her face of like oh it's like you are you are too old for me dude it's very good yeah it's very good i i like bonds like smile through the whole thing she tells him that she's only had three weeks training yes and he's like oh this is gonna go fabulously and and so he's like oh okay i get it you got me a suit and then she's standing there watching him put it on and he's like would you turn around yeah i like that he doesn't look the least bit put out by her rebuffing him he's like yeah all right okay cool that that tracks you know he's yeah he's not like i'm annoyed so just very amused by the whole situation it's great yeah why are they actually here because there's a party there's a party and they believe that obrechev is gonna be there that's the reason paloma is a cia asset in cuba felix's contact they have evidence that obrachev is going to be at this party and and so they're going to infiltrate it bond orders them a vodka martini shaken not stirred paloma absolutely demolishes her immediately and then it's like it's like great let's go you know she's like really eager to get going so then we get a little scene with oprah chef and primo and what's happening here primo has a dna sample of bond we assume that he got it at that bar in the bahamas he's given it to ulbrichev who is using it to encode some kind of weapon so we have to assume that it's some kind of genetic weapon or whatever but while oberchev is setting it up he fakes fumbling the usb key pulls that other one that he recently swallowed and presumably passed out of his sock and plugs that one in and there's a thing where we can see the computer screen that it is now encoding multiple dna profiles into whatever this weapon is and he gives primo a little vial primo takes the vial and plugs it into the like environmental system of this place so that it's injected into like we find out later like sprayers basically so we don't know exactly what's happening but this thing is like you know it's very clear it's like multiple profiles encoded weaponized it's online so you know we know that this is something is going on so bond and paloma are wandering around the party where bond notices this is like a who's who of spectre agents it's not strictly speaking an orgy but it's like a big debauched cocktail party with like a bunch of spectre agents and young girls just sort of messing around not all the specter agents are men by the way right in fact there's a note here on the wikipedia page that brigitte millar reprises her role as spectre chief dr vogel from spectre i don't recall her from that but here we are well good to know yeah paloma spots there's this guy it's like this adam's family lurch looking character except bald walking around with a small purple tufted pillow it looks like it's made out of an old crown royal bag it's purple it's great velvet with gold trim upon which is resting a cybernetic eyeball he's walking around and showing it to the guests and they're like raising their glass to it or bowing to it bond and paloma's radio earpieces start to bleed in with this radio signal where they can hear blofeld talking and it becomes apparent that what's happening is blofeld is talking to everyone at spectre cause they're all wearing earpieces as well that he's observing everything through this eye and bond also notices that primo is there so it's like he's hosting a party in cuba from belmarsh prison as the scene continues bond starts observing this more closely and then it sounds more and more like blowfeld is talking to him personally and then there's just this great sort of build where bond realizes that everyone has now stopped what they're doing and boxed him in and is watching him and what is happening and bond's like wait what the heck's going on here and then blofeld eventually is like we now get to see the end of my brother james bond and the lights go down and a spotlight hits bond and it's like haha and he's like in the middle of the room perfectly centered on a pattern on the floor very very well put together and then the sprayers kick off and a bunch of stuff mists into the room and blowfeld is like oh don't worry everybody by the way this is totally harmless to us it'll only be lethal to bond is what blofeld says but then everyone from spectre starts dying and gruesomely yeah boils forming on their faces and like weeping blood and it's only the specter people and just to just to hammer it home just in case anybody was unclear at this point we do get a shot of obrachev gleefully watching this going like oh it's working only spectre is dying which i i don't know that was necessarily needed but it's like okay i guess let's sell it to the cheap seats right i love the the confusion um as everybody's dying he's starting now to look around to see who's still standing right and he's he spots paloma and is like oh hello are you my escort and she just gives him this like what look and he's like oh no uh oh and turns to run and then our action scene begins yeah as uh as chaos ensues so bond spots over jeff making a getaway and uh and runs after him grabs the martini on on a tray wings it like a frisbee at the back of oberchev's head knocking him to the ground and then drinks the martini and then the gunfight starts all hell breaks loose bond manages to retrieve a usb key from oberchev just before nomi crashes through the ceiling on a like repelling rig grabs oberchev and retreats back out through the ceiling palma and bod start shooting their way through this party as bond gives chase to nomi to try and get over overchev back in hand i appreciate that you know nomi is supremely capable and only doesn't manage to do this perfectly because bond is actively screwing with her yeah because he doesn't want he's highly suspicious about the fact that mi6 and cia both want this guy but aren't working together right so he's like that i think there's other people at play here very cool gunfight action sequence i like the shot of paloma fighting a bunch of dudes that's it's shot down from above everyone's on the ground because after a after a fist fight everyone including her is on the ground and she sort of spins around on her hip shooting them yeah that's a great shot i love the fact that we never really find out paloma's deal yeah cause bond is like really three weeks training huh and she's like yeah yeah yeah she murders the hell out of half of spectre there's no way it's three weeks training yeah and and like she's playing this really sort of extremely nervous rookie agent with three weeks training but we we never find out if it's an act or not other than the fact that she just whips an enormous amount of ass so they briefly paused to each have a drink and then back to it obrechev asks double a7 where she's taking him and she says back to mother darling and he knows that that means england and she's like a mother no and starts trying to get away from her while she's under fire and climbs onto essentially a scaffold which allows paloma to just barrel a car directly into it knocking it to the ground and allowing them to then get away with obrachev while leaving nomi to deal with the police which of course she handily evades immediately because she's a double o right so after a nice little goodbye exchange between bond and paloma they were like boy you were excellent hey thanks you were good too you know swing by swing by cuba i can't do this again sometime yeah exactly and bonds said before leaving double seven pod was like i'm gonna borrow your plane so he steals her plane and then they uh fly away and rendezvous with felix and logan ash on a boat in the middle of the ocean over the course of this scene on the boat where it's just bond lighter ash and obrachev bond is like okay what is this what is this weapon that you have and overchef is like i know and the gray you only they wanted to kill you but i switched it so it only killed spectre wasn't that awesome and he's like no shut up what is it who told you to do this what the hell because oberchev thinks bond knows way more than he does as bond is grilling ulbrichev logan ash keeps yelling like you're do you stop this line of questioning you don't have to hey oprah tev you don't have to answer him because he's like i don't know trying to be a lawyer for the guy i don't know i guess like you're supposed to assume that he's like really concerned about oprah chev's miranda rights or huh well that or just like bond is not actually in the employee of the us and so it's like he doesn't have clearance to know this information his job was just to go get over chev and bring him back anyway lighter is like ash shut up i want to hear what bond's doing and eventually it's like how did he know i would be there and overchef glances at logan ash and then ash is like ugh and then goes to pull out a gun and lighter's like whoa wait and then they have a struggle lighter gets shot ash and bond have a struggle bond ends up being hurled down the stairs to the lower deck of the boat where felix has also fallen down and then ash and ulbrichev get away in the plane also blowing up the boat behind them as they go there's some very nice dialogue here with bond and lighter because they've been you know they've been friends for so long and i like the lighters like i want to get back to my family in somewhere he says somewhere specific and bond is like what you're from milwaukee and lighters oh yeah is that what i told you there are two different bits there's i want to go back home to my family and tell them that i saved the world again which he says when he's trying to recruit bond and then he's like oh this reminds me of those days on the shrimp boat in louisiana and bonds like you're from milwaukee and yeah then he's like oh is that what i told you yeah i don't even remember anymore i think my favorite line from this bit is he's like sitting on the floor holding his stomach like this bleeding gunshot wound from his stomach he's like i don't know about you but i got a feeling in my gut that ash isn't on our side [Laughter] which is just a good quip this is very good very sadly felix does not make it out of this which is a shame we're doing license to kill again we're doing felix lighter dying again so the end result is bond sitting in a lifeboat with a cigar that he had got for felix through the course of the previous action scene just sort of sitting there and eventually he gets picked up by a big freighter and then we cut back to london where there's bond picking up a different other newer aston martin from his garage this one's a vanquish isn't it yeah this is the the vanquish v8 there's a shot there's like five different aston martins in this movie because there was a very futuristic-looking one in a wind tunnel at mi6 that oh yeah and was standing in front of i love that em's like have a phone call one second i'm just gonna duck into the wind tunnel for privacy i love that the car is internally lit with a red light that is cool there's a the shot in the garage in london opens with that bulldog in the foreground the one from judy dench's m's desk in the foreground i just i like that and there's this really interesting shot where we see bond on one side of the car and then the camera moves it pans to the other side of the car as bond closes the door to get into it it doesn't make sense temporally and this isn't the only time in the movie where bond will like sort of teleport and i i think that's just a way that fukunaga likes to shoot things just for like uh to conserve time right because like he's he's on the left side of the car and the camera pans and then he's also closing the right-hand driver's door yeah his his head is in two places simultaneously in that shot yeah it's a neat little way of sort of just keeping the energy of the scene along yeah yeah that is cool also that scene definitely didn't need to be there no but i assume that was that was for aston martin's benefit he's got his car the bond theme is playing you know bone home down oh he's in london he's got a suit and everything he's pulling up to mi6 and then he walks up to the uh security desk where the man asks him name please bond and the guy just stares at him james bond uh yeah and types it in and then it cuts to him wearing a visitor badge and money penny flicking the visitor badge i gotta say very similar energy bonded mi6 with a visitor badge picard at starfleet academy with a visitor badge yeah right similar energy which i'm i'm here for it i like it yeah so he goes in 007 spots him and is like hi what the hell happened there like you lost obrechev and you're working for the cia and he's like yeah well you know funny about that anyway i'm gonna go in to see m now and moneypenny's like oh a double seven you actually can't go in this is just for bond and m right now and right this is where bond gets to snip back a little bit and he's like oh i'm sorry does that bother you yeah and then sits down and there this line was in the trailers but i do appreciate it with double 07 saying to money penny i can see why you shot him and money penny goes yeah well everyone tries at least once it's like this insufferable man yeah and then then we get this sequence of bond just being in just a colossal [ __ ] to em and not unjustifiably no but it is hilarious i don't know one of my one of my problems with this movie i think is not really inherent to the movie so much as it is inherent to the franchise as a whole but it really feels like m has had a really inconsistently written character between the last movie and this one because part of what gets me is like the last several movies have all been about how like the spy game has changed right and how like we used to be able to get in a room with our enemies but now they just float in the ether and we can't see them they lurk in the shadows and we need these like ultra weapons and surveillance technologies to to be able to deal with this ever-present ethereal threat and a no we literally have an organization of people named spectre doing evil plots that are people that bond literally got in a room with not five minutes ago but also like in the last movie ray finds zm's whole thing was no he was a soldier he understands the day-to-day fight of the rank and file on the ground in the trenches he understands the benefit of an individual asset that can be deployed and then in this movie is like you know for the last 10 years i've been working on this super weapon that we can just infect the world with and have it only kill the people we want to kill and like his whole thing last time around was like oh no this surveillance technology is much too dangerous for great britain to have nobody should have this much power over information and then this time it around it's like no we're gonna just build a world-ending threat on the queen's dime i have a real problem with that it doesn't help that like as you say since skyfall certainly they've been really hammering on this like it's in the shadows we can't see them we don't know what that is and that has never been shown to be the case in the movies yeah because bond has always come face to face with these people because that makes for a bad movie yeah right bond solves cyber crime is not a good movie so it's like yeah okay you say that but that's not actually what you're doing in these movies right and i like to a certain extent that's okay in the movies because the thesis of the films is always comes around to like know there is a place for bond they keep asking and answering the same question like the movies have to in order to justify the continuance of the franchise they have to come back to like no there is a place for bond bond does have to get into the room with the people and put a gun in their face and this movie does the same thing right like it's still the world ending threat has to be stopped and it takes bond to do it but i just like i don't like the flip and character of m from the last movie he was like no we need the double o's the double o's are important and the oculus system that we're putting together is a bad idea or whatever it was called and this one where it's like no actually we need to not use double o's and we need to use this global biological weapon that i have been developing for a decade in secret yeah and it just feels like this is not the same m mm-hmm so yeah bond is like giving him the gears about this thing this like super weapon that he developed and m is like he's taking it a little bit because i mean he did do that but he's also also once bought to shut up and just help him and he's like look thanks for your help thanks again for your help but if you don't want to keep helping then bugger off basically bond is like i want to talk to bluefeld and em's like what why like because he ran a party he hosted a party in cuba from belmarsh prison so that's the free information that he's giving to him yeah but m doesn't want to let bond do anything else so bond's like all right cool see you later goodbye and on the way out of the building money penny comes up to him and is like hey what are you doing for dinner and bond's like huh and then we got to q's house oh actually on his way out i appreciate that he takes off his visitor badge and tosses it across the room into the garbage shot in the same way that he used to throw his bowler hat onto the onto the hat rack it's so good i like that shot a lot so q is at home preparing dinner for uh date as q says he'll be here any moment but unfortunately who is actually at the door is bond and money penny which q is not happy to see he also has a hairless sphynx cat which bond quips you know they come with fur now i like that he has to dispatch the cat to like elsewhere in the house twice over the course of the scene i think it's like three times isn't it like yeah he sends it up the stairs once he puts it in the backyard the second time he takes it off the table and puts it in the backyard the cat's just like i'm in your way i'm in your way so while they're also drinking his wine they're so rude as q points out well i guess it was never a nine to five was it bond has that usb stick that paloma got from ulbrichev in cuba because he didn't give that to him so q wants to figure out what's on it it turns out what's on it is all of the missing files from those hard drives that he was trying to recover and in fact it is basically dna sequences for god like everybody in the world practically yeah right it may as well be everybody in the world that's how obrachev used it to make this heracles is the name of the weapon that's how he managed to make it only hit the people inspector and not bond and not any of the other people and so he's got all the dna for like all of the secret you know like mi6 or any any secret agents around the world but it seems like he has basically everybody and they have like a super weapon that they could just use to kill anybody that they want at any time i don't know if it's here or later that we will find out and this made me audibly sigh in the theater this is not a chemical weapon these are nanobots nanobots nanobots kernel anabolics nanomachines it's metal gear solid now yeah there's one shot at this scene that on the one hand i like it because it's cute on the other hand it's very much in the the wheelhouse of like bond movies responding to criticism of previous bond movies where q gets the usb stick and he goes over to his computer to analyze it and then has a second thought about it and says bond where is this being and bond is like well everywhere i imagine he's like okay into the sandbox it goes which is like a direct response to what he did in skyfall right where he like infected the mi6 systems by just putting the usb key into a network connected computer and it's like they didn't need to put that there i like like i kind of like that they did yeah i kind of like that q learned his lesson you know but uh yeah they got flack for it's like why would their i.t professional not do that in the first place and so now they're like but anyway it's just it's like it's a cute bit but i don't know i could go either way on it i think it's cute i think it's cute i think i come around on like liking it but it's definitely a scene that's there for the the meta as opposed to the the actual needs of the film m had also assigned 007 to get into belmarsh search it up and down search blofeld cell he says search the whole man and she's like great i'll get my gloves at the end of this scene bond says i need to talk to blofeld and they're like well only one person gets to talk to blofeld it's the only person he'll talk to is his psychiatrist and it's like who is that cut to madeleine swann walking to work she's a psychologist and she has a new client that wants to talk to her and the person letting her know this is like he's kind of weird and she's like you can't say that like it's true professional setting like hey there's a new new nutcase wants to talk to you like jesus sharon shut up you can't that's so unprofessional as it turns out this man who is collecting a piece of her hair as she walks in the room unbeknownst to her is played by rami malik spoilers this is the guy from before i guess theoretically we're not supposed to know this except that it's in all the trailers yeah um that it's the same person as before but this is lucifer saffin liustepher liutzuffer lucifer yeah yeah so they have a scene here where she's like all right cool so i guess you're my new you're you need some help like what's up let's you know like let's talk about this this is essentially this is one of his two bond villain monologues here and i'm trying to remember the gist of this one the gist of this one is so the outcome of the scene is that he's gonna get madeline to do a favor for him the favor is that she's gonna go visit blofeld wearing a perfume that he provides her and we we can intuit from the scene that the perfume he provides her is heracles targeting blofeld yeah the monologue that he gives is about how he lost his family when they were young when he was young and that kind of loss is traumatic for a child and madeleine agrees because she's also lost her like lost her family well lost her mother when she was young and so they sort of like bond a little bit back and forth over that then he has this monologue about how he saved a life once and he thinks that's had had a more profound effect on his life because when you save somebody's life you bind yourself to them and they belong to you and then he sort of cuts himself off and he says i i'm not very good at talking about myself so i brought a memory box he hands the memory box to madeleine she opens it and it's the broken mask inside the box and so she then realizes that the person she's speaking to is the man who attacked her home when she was a child and ostensibly saved her from drowning in ice but yes i mean put her in that situation to begin with but also spared her yeah and so this of course then contextualizes what he's just said where he's menacing her into doing a favor for him he's like i saved your life once and now you owe me so what you're gonna do is you're gonna go visit blofeld while wearing this perfume and it's harmless to you but you're gonna do this for me because i saved your life in the past and that's that's the like the thrust of this scene the one thing that they that is like super weird about this scene just because we don't have context for it yet at the very beginning when she walks into the office he has one of her hairs and he's like playing with it between his fingers then he curls it up and folds it into a handkerchief and puts it away when he sees her come in that'll come up later yeah also i assume it happens off camera but it is implied that the only reason she's doing it is because he's threatening bond because he basically you know like threatens her and she's like you killed my mother and he's like well your dad killed my whole family so you know you got me there he even says like parents right she's like look there's nothing you can do to me everybody that i've ever loved or cared about is dead and he's like oh that's so sad but it's also not true and so the implication is that he then informs her that bond is alive and he is aware of that and that she has to do this or he'll kill bond is i assume what happens that is what happens in the scene and that is the implications of this scene given the context we have been provided by the movie to this point yeah so then we get a scene with mallory out on the thames and bond comes up to him presumably he's been invited to be here mallory's like well so we looked into it and it turns out yeah blofeld had a robotic eye that he was using to conduct specter business from inside belmarsh so egg on my face great job bond thanks and i do appreciate there's this moment where bond's like yes we also figured out this this and this and m's like who's we oh crap like he he he drops an f-bomb oh he does he says oh for [ __ ] sake right he says who's we and then immediately realizes he must be talking about money penny and q and answers his own questions just like oh dang it so my favorite part of this whole scene is actually it is a musical reference to ohmss yes which is that the score providing the backtrack for this scene is the theme song from ohms yes because he is being reinstated he is once again on her majesty's secret service yeah i really like that one it's subtle it's not like right in your face but it's like that's a cute little callback that i think is really well done i i noticed it in theater on my first watch through and i'm like ah yes i do watch the movies good i've seen a bond or two in my time yeah no that was good i liked that reference a lot more than i liked pulling all the time in the world earlier fair enough bond is still needling m but m is a little bit more like yeah okay yes i i mean like here's why here are my reasons here's why i did it you make a good point bond okay fine i f'ed up you know so i think the scene goes okay so now they're back at mi6 bond's been reinstated but at what number we don't know we actually never find out there can't be that many open ones i assume she could just guess right like if no one's dead at the moment it's probably what i don't know how high do they go double o 12. who knows yeah the opening of this scene at mi6 is a gain i really like this bit it's just funny and fun as bond is in in m's office and nomi money penny and q walk into m's office and q is like a bond well it's long time no see it's been a long time you know it's great to see you alive and well and m is just like shut up q i know he's staying with you it's on your couch come on money penny tries to warn him right she's like bond is in there and so cute has just a moment to be like right right oh whoa it was a surprise it's very good also nomi's outfit in this scene the pants and the the orange jacket with the scarf collar thing going on absolutely slays it's very good it's very very good we find out that at the funeral of one of these specter agents they infected the dead body because people came up and kissed the body it was open casket they came up and like kissed it that any any family members who did that are also now dead of the same thing and they're like ah it's the genetics the realization that em has here is like he crafted this like the whole reason he crafted this weapon was so that they could target single individuals with this dna targeted weapon and the whole plan was that they like had super efficient super precise never made a mistake no collateral damage it only kills the person it's programmed to kill and it was only ever supposed to kill individuals and oberchev has modified it to be capable of targeting populations based on genetic traits and so this is where m turns and realizes like oh god this is much much worse than it was ever supposed to have been yeah so he puts the two double o's on the case you you'd think i mean this this has probably come up in other situations as well but you'd think like other double o's would be involved maybe put every double-o on it i guess he wants to keep it in the family of people that are already in the know i suppose yeah we've never gone on it before but i suppose there are other situations where it would have been prudent to get more than just the one agent on it but anyway so bond wishes seven good luck and he gives her the tip to track down logan ash former state department you find him and you'll find orbitshev and bond is tracking down whoever has the heracles by going to blowfeld first he's being granted access to blowfield we see swann putting on the perfume she feels very conflicted about it but that's what she's doing we see q taking apart blofeld's eye i think this is the one that blowfeld had in him but he's like looking at like previous media stored on it and stuff which is kind of funny it's like oh let's look at the internal storage and you were right that cyclops did get a new eye after the prologue yeah because he picked up the one from cuba as well yeah so there's a tense moment where bond and swan are seeing each other for the first time in five years before they go in to talk to blowfeld and so the tension in this scene is that what they've made clear is these nanobots can never be removed and are transmissible by touch yes and so we know that swann has them on her person this is ludicrous but this is one of those things you just have to buy into so it's like the whole scene you're waiting to be like if bond touches her then he will also have this on him and if either of them touch and he'll just die and so there's this extended sequence of blowfelt in a little cage being brought up very silly it's yeah it's it's very like silence of the lambs or uh actually i think like magneto in x-men is probably a better yeah a better thing swan's like actually you know what i can't do this she's like i don't actually want to be party to this bond tries to grab her on the way out touches her wrist and she's like uh and recoils and leaves the room and now we know that if bond touches blofeld then blofeld is gonna die right except bod got sprayed down with the specter killing nanobots okay i'm glad you thought of that too because i realized that on my rewatch i was like wait a minute so what that means is for whatever reason when obrachev was putting that other cocktail together he excluded blofeld specifically except that we know he didn't because they look at the dna profile of the specter killing nanobots and it lists blooffeld as not deceased yeah so there's no reason like for all intents and purposes if bond touches blowfeld he should just kill him already yeah see i wasn't sure if q was looking at a list of the ones oberchef used or just a list of everyone labeled as spectre like it was the same formatting as like all of the other like dna profiles that they were looking at it was in the same scene anyway i'm glad you also thought of that yeah there's no reason why bond shouldn't already be lethal to blowfelt at this point it's except for creating tension in the scene yeah it's just a nitpicky thing but this is not madeline's fault bond would have done this anyway even though i don't know that that's what the movie wants to present to us no no what does blofeld actually end up revealing over the course of the scene apart from the fact that christoph waltz is indeed in the movie which he repeatedly said he was not going to be in the movie but then it leaked because someone spotted him at pinewood studios and then they started including him in the marketing ah so basically all he reveals in this scene is that the key to everything is madeline yeah he says you have to look to her for your answers and bond says no no i you're lying she didn't like i don't believe that she did this and he's like oh no no no you're right she didn't set you up to get blown up at vesper's grave that was me i definitely did that no no she's completely innocent of that but she's the key she'll give you all all the answers yeah and when her secret gets out it will be your undoing is like the big line that was featured in the trailers is like her secret will be the end of you is her secret that she has a kid is that the secret that he's talking about absolutely 100 okay that's the secret that's the thing that she's been keeping from bond this whole time she has the answers in that she has a history with safin but it makes no sense for that to have been the secret yeah right like there's nothing for her to keep from bond in that regard it's like bond already knows that somebody came to her house to kill her when she was a child she didn't do anything wrong there's nothing to be ashamed of or want to keep secret there's no emotional turning point the audience already knows this the audience has been directed to it as the like this is the thing from her past that is gonna open all the door but it's not right like there's no narrative con like other than the fact that she and safin have a history and so she can be like well i guess this saffin guy showed back up earlier this week and is probably seems to be doing sinister things and seems involved in some way but that's not like that's not what blofeld is alluding to right blofeld knows that she's got a kid that is the thing that bond doesn't know about madeleine that will be of huge dramatic like emotional and narrative consequence to bond in this film and that i think is the like that's her secret but he's just like he's literally just doing couples counseling as he makes a joke here he's like just go talk to madeline get on the same page about everything that's going on and you'll like you'll start to make progress on this in the middle of the scene we get a cutaway to cue analyzing the i and he's now discovered that primo met with logan ash and so we have a potential lead on where ash is because we saw a recording of that from the eye back to the scene with blofeld again and blue felt basically is like just doubles down on what he talked about a bit inspector which is like i just really wanted to hurt you because i wanted to take away all the things that you like because you took away all the things that i like remember that that was the whole thing of the last movie and then bond um snaps and i don't love it but he he he just sort of goes die and blofeld's like what what and then he grabs blowfeld's neck and is like he says and i quote die brother which sounds like it's from a different movie it does doesn't it it's fine i i think it's fine in the context of he's not actually trying to kill him and he's trying to menace him and he does like not kill him right like his he does back away and like not kill him because he's like going to choke him out and then he thinks better of it and stops and then blowfield dies anyway because of the nanobots but yeah i don't i don't love it i don't love most of this scene yeah it's just i don't know i i don't like spectre very much so i like i don't have a particular affection for bringing blofeld back in this context it's a shame because i love kristoff waltz very much yeah christoph waltz is really good but this is instance two of them breaking a toy in the toy box right we've killed felix off already it's like all right well we've killed felix and it's like okay well now we literally just got blowfield back last movie and he got one sort of half-baked plot out of him and now we're killing blofeld blowfeld's dead and it is not going to be the last toy they break in this film and it's okay it's just going to be a greatest hits of murdering all of bond's pals like it doesn't feel like it's being done to purpose it's just killing things because they're not going to use them in the next film it does feel that way yeah really kind of setting themselves up for failure here i feel because it's like well what are you going to do next movie yeah and like i mean next movie they're going to reset right they're going to do the exact thing that i don't want them to do which is reboot everything i really want them to keep malory and money penny and q me too like i really want that kind of continuity i think it would be hugely beneficial but i am petrified that they won't yeah i like i've said a few times that my ideal for the next bond movie is to cast 28 to 32 year old actor in the part but keep rae finds and naomi harris and lashana lynch and then set the next movie in 1962. yeah exactly the way they did with all the previous movies maintain all the supporting cast but make a clear break in narrative continuity by setting the movie making it a period movie going back to the origins of the james bond franchise and just like have him be a young agent but not a new double o and just do a bond movie with all those characters and all those actors take your fresh start that way rather than just okay we're gonna recast everybody we're going to formally officially reboot the franchise that's where i think the mistake will be made yeah i think that's probably going to be the case too and i really really hope we're wrong yeah i mean at the very least they should keep they should keep ray finds and and naomi harris and lashawna lynch if they have a role for her right yeah and ben weisha oh and and ben why shot that's right they they really should keep those four actors in the fold whatever else they do but it should be clearly like do the next movie with blofeld right cast a new blofeld redo the story of blo like but have him be the leader of like global terrorist organization spectre in the next film and like actually do like silly specter stories of spycraft of competing good versus evil spy organizations or something right like get off this idea that every movie has to be directly and narratively continue to contiguous with one another and just like start playing in the sandbox with all the toys you have available and just you know unbreak the ones that you broke in this movie yeah oh that sounds great they don't i mean so bond does not end up actually strangling blofeld to death as tanner breaks in and breaks bond off but then they turn around and realize that he is still dead though because of the nano machines which in the next scene they determine they're like oh look you're just riddled with nano machines well you're never getting rid of those and so bond's like okay i think i figured out what i need to do next cut to norway and bond is walking through some woods they're not snowy this time but they're the same woods from the pre-title and then he ends up at the same house from the pre-title and he has a gun drawn madeleine swann is there and she's like is that for me and he's like oh no sorry puts the gun away and then we have big emotional scene with bond and madeleine swann i don't know how he knew that this was here i guess she would have told him about it this house yeah which implies to me that she told him about saffin but hey who knows yeah at my family home up in norway this is this is where my mother died when a guy with a gun came like he should know and is she here was she commuting like does she ha is that a day job that she has in london doing psychology for blofeld and she's like who watches this kid while she's out of town she just flies into london every morning brief aside about a different franchise this was my problem with the first part of the latest fast and furious movie is that dom and letty have that kid and it's like all right i've decided i am gonna take off and join you and i'm like hold the f up you live off the grid in the middle of nowhere who's watching your five-year-old it's uh it's what's his name later dead guy later later in the movie like halfway through the movie jordana brewster's character is like oh i took our kids and your kid to paul walker's character so he's gonna he's gonna look after them off camera where we never have to acknowledge the fact that paul walker is deceased yeah but at the beginning of the movie i'm like hold the [ __ ] up dom just left his kid at home do none of these people have children what the hell i mean compared with how they treated that kid at the end of fast and furious eight leaving him home alone as a five-year-old is far from the worst thing that child's been through fair it just feels like the people who wrote this movie have never actually had to deal with child care i don't know i'm talking about fast and the furious this is better but i'm still like hey wait a minute anyway i assume they've gone here my assumption is that like she's worried that she's failed safin and so she like took off to get away and put distance between her and blowfeld that makes sense brought her kid here but if she's worried about safin coming after her maybe going to this particular house isn't the greatest idea no kidding bond regrets he says for what felt like five minutes i wanted to have everything with you i wanted to give up all of that and be with you and i don't regret any single thing in my entire life that led me to you except for when i put you on that train five years ago and then they go to embrace and then suddenly there's a child at the top of the stairs and i mean she's sort of evasive even still about like what what her secret is yeah or whatever but then the kid appears and i guess i guess that was the secret i actually never i never actually realized that that's probably what the what she's being so coy about anyway the the child is mathilde and is expertly cast yeah which i guess is matilda by the way matilda is the name of the actress who played madeleine's mother in the pre-title oh interesting just kind of amusing huh so they get little matilda i'm gonna anglicize it just so i don't have to yeah stumbling over the pronunciation back into bed bond is just sort of staring a gog at this and swan says it's she's not yours by the way and bond's like wait well hold on like he like snaps out of it he's like wait what really but the eyes like he's got got my nope not yours it's like i know how to do math yeah sorry i'm watching the movie back on my second screen i forgot about the slinky yeah the slinky is so good it's just like this long drawn out spring rolling down the stairs as everybody just sits there and like takes in the moment it's it's it's hilarious back in london m is sitting in i don't know the hall of m's it's weird there's like a big painting on the wall of judi dench and then when it cuts back to we don't see bernard lee anywhere but i assume that the other angle has has bernard lee because when we cut back to m's side we see robert brown who played m in octopussy through license to kill right i just assumed that there's a bernard lee painting around there somewhere oh speaking of paintings so you know we've talked before about the painting in m's office yes and they were like they've been like famous naval battles and stuff so the painting in m's office in this movie the big one that generally faces camera not the one behind the desk but the one in the middle of the other wall is called the battle of germany it's from 1944 and it was by i'm just reading here from the article a british war artist and surrealist painter paul nash it's an abstract oil painting on canvas with a world war ii theme that hangs in the imperial war museum in london according to architectural digest it was selected to hang on him's wall as it hints at some of his emotional conflicts throughout the film interesting yeah i just like that they're always using the painting on m's wall to like say stuff about the character interesting i think the painting from skyfall skyfall the painting that we talked about previously is hanging in the hall of ems now because there is a a painting of a warship on the left wall in that first shot the one that you can see yeah judy in that scene m's on the phone with nomi 007 and she's on the trail of logan ash and mentions that bond gave her the lead and he's like cool nice that you're working together so that's just sort of a update on what's going on over there swann takes bond to the safe room in the house which still has all the stuff in it and she's like look here's here's who the staffin guy was he was part of this family my dad killed them all with dioxin he didn't die for some reason his family provided poison for assassins they had an island that they called the poison garden i believe the timeline is after that hit on the whole family that safin survived spectre took over the island but now that spectre's all dead safin has retaken the island and is growing more poisons i guess yes that sounds about right it's weird because like they make a big deal about all these amazing poisons that he's growing and it's like he but he doesn't need any of those because he has these effing nano machines [Laughter] yup like so none of that's important so i'm gonna dig into this movie a little bit now oh go for it this is just moonraker no this movie is just a stealth remake of moonraker like the actual bad guy plot where we've got a guy creating a biological weapon that he can deploy on the world to wipe out whole populations of people to create a better future for the world my problem with this movie and it will become a bigger and bigger and bigger problem as the movie goes on because the movie is not really interested in it what the movie is actually about here the actual antagonist is the weapon right safin is not an entity in this movie he's just the guy holding the weapon well he's no michael lonsdale we don't ever learn what his motivations are we don't ever learn what he's trying to achieve we don't ever learn who he intends to kill we don't ever learn anything about what his plan is all we know is that he's making this weapon to distribute and use and that he can't be allowed to continue to have it so in that way he's much more boring than what's his name than dre because because we have no motivation for him whatsoever he he makes overtures it's like well i i too want to make the world a better place i just want to be a little bit tight here but there's no how like yes in and of itself committing genocide is bad i get it but we don't have any of his motor why why does he want to do this like what is his what is he trying to achieve and why i cannot believe that they never lay it out in the movie that like what his actual end goal was because in moonraker like he was a space nazi right i get it he's a space nazi he wants to create the world of supermen i want to repopulate the earth with my aryan super soldiers that's there you go right that's a bond plot that's a good like it's a good plot you've actually messed me up because i yeah that's a really good point at no point does safin actually talk about why he wants to do this yeah it never comes up huh and so as i say like to an extent i get it because what the movie cares about is that this super weapon shouldn't exist and can't be in anyone's hands but yeah it messes me up that there's like there's no motivation for the primary villain of the movie he's just doing his thing because cause he's mad i guess yeah but we don't know at whom or what or why he didn't like spectre but they're already dead and he was only mad at madeleine's dad cause her dad killed his whole family but he's dead and her mom is dead and he's kind of weirdly in love with her yup which super inappropriate by the way safin [Laughter] yeah wow you've really i've actually did not clue into that and that's a really good point so that bugs me i feel like there was something else i wanted to dig on the movie a bit here and i've like derailed myself completely by going in on on this being moonraker oh is it bond's staunch refusal only for narrative purposes to tell mi6 where he is no that wasn't it it was another more general okay criticism of the film i'm sure it'll come to me the next time we see something that jogs my memory i'm sure it'll come to me so bond does indeed phone into mi6 and gave them all this information but not where he actually is they wake up the next morning and matilda wakes bond up and then he makes it looks like crepes and she says they're not bad there's one nice morning of being a normal family they all wake up dad makes crepes and they hang out and have a nice time they get like three hours maybe of being a normal family nice for bond he gets a phone call they've figured out where the island is it's an old it's actually very similar geographically to i don't remember the character's name the bad guy from skyfall yes i know the one you're talking about anyway geographically sort of you know abandoned island in between japan and russia and they look at some recent satellite images and they are stocking up with ships and stuff like there's there's a lot of activity and they're like okay well that's where safin is and that's where heracles is so that's where we need to go so we're going to send bond we're going to send u and double o seven and you're both gonna go in there and figure it out bond says okay cool uh i need an airplane and they're like to wear and he's like i'm not gonna tell you yet but hey where is double07 and they're like oh she's trailing logan ash here's where she is on a map and bond's like no no i asked you to show me he's she's tracking logan ash not me uh oh when he realizes logan ash is coming for him and that's why it's the same area in norway on the map so he's like okay we gotta go so they bundle into the land rover who have been a vehicle sponsor of the bond films since octopussy oh yeah like consistently yeah cause remember aston martin went off for a bit and we got the bad bmw phase but yeah cause there's always you know it's it's like look aston martin is bond's car but not everybody in the world can drive an aston martin so we need more than one vehicle sponsor yeah sometimes you just need to pile the family into a toyota suv so they barrel off down this amazing road what is this road the name is the i'm going to ruin this accent the atlanta atlanta it means atlantic ocean road okay it's the atlantic ocean road it runs through an archipelago connecting a bunch of islands to the mainland and it just looks really cool absolutely fabulous scene though here where like they're driving away these two black suvs pass them along the road like bond looks tense the suvs go by and disappear over the crest of a bridge into the distance and then we get this awesome panning shot of bonds suv driving towards us with the bridge in the background and just as bond's car comes into the the front of frame you can see the two suvs crest the hill of the bridge in the background in pursuit oh my god that shot is good very good they drive into the woods they go off-road and then we got a very cool action scene like a whole big set piece there's more suvs and bikes come bursting out of the trees catching a lot of air yep and then we get a little bit of sort of like bond as i don't know like predator like i don't know what the the the not actual reference but i don't know what uh how we would describe this but they're like sneaking around in the jungle essentially the jungles of norway the jungles of norway basically what they're in very good anyhow yeah this again this whole this whole sequence is great the chase leading into it is awesome and then the forest combat i'm not gonna call this jungle the forest combat that happens afterwards is so good and they do this great setup of like they're driving across the plains and towards this forest and the forest is entirely enshrouded in fog and as they like he drives into the forest and the whole climate and color and light level of the scene changes as they drive into this fog and it's this very quiet forest and you can just hear the like roaring of the motorcycles off in the distance as they're like hunting around for him he like stashes madeleine and matild in a a little hut they find and leaves him with a gun and then goes on the hunt and uses uh a winch cable to clothesline a guy and manages to just use positioning and and like baiting the enemies to like charge him with their vehicles to slam into like dead logs and things to flip their cars over awesome awesome awesome action scene i think it's one of the best action scenes in the movie from a like tension and release and just the sort of like character of bond the shooting like this cat and mouse game in the forest is super good i love it it's fabulous it's a super good sequence it sort of culminates to an extent with him actually finally confronting logan ash and he runs out of bullets like he takes their car out and ash has fallen out of it and clearly has broken legs or something so can't like stand up and is trying to crawl away from the truck that's like teetering on a small rise in the forest being held up by like a tree that is slowly giving way ash makes reference to his brother yeah he's like come on you know it's it's all over lend me a hand brother and bond says i had a brother once his name was felix and then kicks the suv and it rolls down the embankment and crushes him grim but man like i said i got a really punchable face you really did yeah well cast back where they're hiding swan and matilda get captured by safin not before madeleine swann like kills a couple people but they they do get captured and fly away in a helicopter leaving bond to and leaving bond there leaving bond to then walk back down the like logging road or whatever eventually getting picked up by 07. nice little call back as she pulls up next to him and delivers the wanna ride in the same accident like the jamaican accent that she was using at the beginning of the film yeah that's good they head to the nearest nato base where there is indeed a plane waiting for them and on the plane is q and a whole bunch of gadgets so we get a nice little q scene and a smaller plane tinier planes exactly it's diplomatically awkward for m at the moment because there's the russians and the japanese and even the americans are like what's going on and they're like so it's the plan is get in try to save madeleine and matilda if you can but apart from anything else stop whatever saffin is doing and then this is where nomi is like i think by the way that bond should have the designation double 07 back i mean after all it is just a number and again bond is like okay like yeah i really guess yeah i really feel like bond continues to just like no-sell this because he's like if it makes you feel better i guess yeah like i i don't i really don't think bond gives a [ __ ] yeah that's another like it's a game that scene just feels really awkward yeah it's like oh we gotta we gotta make sure that he's double o7 at the end of the movie okay sure yeah i do like the gag and the the cute gadget scene and he's as he's like putting together the watch and like getting the smart blood together he's like you remember the smart blood right and like he's pulling drawers out of his cabinet and he accidentally pulls out his tea set and it's like whoops that's the wrong drawer yeah it's way too organized it's in tactical foam like yeah i love it it's great so back on the island now we see that saffin the swans are there and that obrechev has prepared for safin a little vile that i think i think he reveals at this at this point is heracles dialed to madeleine swann so that yes this you know that what's in this vial would kill both of them if something happened so it's like his insurance policy and he calls back specifically to the the hair that he was playing with when he visited her office the architecture in here i love all of this because it's all old soviet missile installation so they get to go big brutalist with like cool vaulted concrete rooms and everything do we know why saffin has this japanese affect he's putting on no it never comes up it's just the thing that he does he's wearing a kimono and they have like a zen garden and they're installing tatami mats and stuff for him when they get there yeah no they there's never any not that i recall any indication as to why anyhow this this base again reminds me of moonraker it's another reason why i'm like oh they're doing moonraker big brutalist but it's all the like the concrete angled walls and the the little idyllic garden in the middle of it it's just like okay we're just doing moonraker again except now we're on a an abandoned island in the middle of the pacific instead of instead of like an aztec ruin in the brazilian jungle i guess this is a little more believable they don't have the yellow outfits the yellow jumpsuits are truly missing they have pink jumpsuits pink jumpsuits on the the poison workers yeah but uh yeah safin takes matilda to show her around the poison garden much to madeleine's distress and then eventually they just get fully separated and it's i don't know saffin is in love with he admits as much later is in love with madeleine and i guess wants to adopt matilda or like wants to be her father figure i guess it's almost like his motivations are really poorly sketched in this film well here's [Laughter] yes yes also here's something that they've never done before in a bond movie directly involve a child in the last act in fact right they haven't haven't been much children in bond films at all do you feel like that sort of changed the tone of the like presumed danger of the last act of this a little bit i felt like there was a little bit of like well we know they're not gonna kill a kid if they do it would be really grim for a bond movie yeah i don't know that's a minor thing but i was definitely like this feels weird it does feel like it does feel weird and it's it's one of those things again where like i think a lot of the ideas they have in this movie are good ideas in fact i think this whole like plot of bond having a child and having to like reckon with that and step into the father figure role and having that be sort of like a threat i guess but to a lesser extent i actually think the like having him deal with this and sort of come to understand his responsibilities as a father in that regard are like a good idea right that's something they've never done in a bond movie before i think that's a good thing for them to like if they want to do something different using that storyline is totally fair game i think that's good i just don't know that they've done a very good job executing on it in this movie yeah of all the plots in this movie i think that one's the one that works best and most completely like that's the sort of the 40 minutes of story in this two hour and 40 minute movie that like actually really gel and flow pretty well is the like he has a history with madeleine they get separated they come back together it turns out he's got a kid and then he has to save the world and try and sort of keep his family from being caught in the crossfire right that's a good story that i think functions at a base mechanical level in this movie more than most of the rest of the film hmm yeah bond and double 07 or i guess bond and nomi at this point double 07 and the other double o who is now know me the doubles007 the doubles 07 head in that glider like you said the the plane full of smaller planes it's a submersible glider so they like glide out of the thing i mean it's not just a glider it also has propulsion they get underwater they turn they it goes down they they retract the wings it turns into a submarine they come up in the sub bay inside the thing and they infiltrate the base the poison garden essentially bond has an emp in his watch which is fun yep he uses it to take out all the surveillance cameras yeah they're moving around inside very cool shots like i said like great architecture and set dressing there's this wide shot of yeah a bunch of people in pink hazmat jumpsuits sweeping the water i don't know exactly what it is that they're doing it's deeply unclear how they harvest poison heracles they're nanobots but they have to grow them in vats but that's just the raw materials that they need in order to actually manufacture the heracles into a weaponized state but even weaponized heracles isn't fatal until it's programmed but the the water that they're using to culture the heracles with the people in the hazmat suits is like acidic and if you fall into it you die instantly sure this is not the most far-fetched a bond movie's ever been but it doesn't make a ton of sense it looks really cool it does look really cool i'm down with that it doesn't need to make perfect sense i literally my only complaint is that i don't understand the motivation i'm like i'm on board for all of the goofy nonsense that's all fine i just wish i understood what zafin was threatening yeah the doubles o7 take over the area where all the scientists are where of course oberchev is there as well just dug in like a tick this guy bond leaves nomi there with a bunch of explosives and is like all right well if i don't come back you'd blow this whole place to hell and i'm gonna go and try to find saffin and see what's going on upstairs meanwhile primo is left alone with madeleine and giving her some tea and i don't know if this tea is actually poisoned it's like implied that it is but i don't know why it would be and it doesn't seem to be like madeline is like you know what this flower does it makes you blind you get even a drop in your eye and then she throws some at primo who shows up again later and is not blind in his good eye i don't think and like i i i think he's just i think he just recoils in this scene because it's hot tea yeah the clear implication to me is that in the previous scene where she got separated from saphen saphen is showing a flower to matild and he says this flower makes you do what you're told it makes you behave and then the tea that we see is tea made with two flowers from that plant oh wow i did not put that together that's a good point and madeline knows this because she also has background in herbology because that's been a recurring theme throughout the movie so she's looking at it she knows what this is and i mean i take it to be that what she's saying is true is like if you get any of this in your eye it blinds you who knows because you're right cyclops comes back in a later scene and does apparently have visions so i guess it didn't although i would think that you know first second degree burns to the eyeball would probably you know blind you so maybe the t wasn't very hot who knows the clear implication of this scene is he's trying to make madeleine compliant by poisoning her with the flower that makes you compliant okay i hadn't put that together but that that actually makes a lot of sense that's something i should have put together it doesn't work because she throws it in primo's face and escapes the room and like locks and escapes immediately yeah well because she's very capable and i like that so now bond is approaching saffin so they're in this big vaulted brutalist room there's dudes with guns there's three three dudes with guns and there's safin sitting on a tatami mat in the middle of the room with matilda and her little toy rabbit named dudu and he gets bond to put down his big gun and then also put down his smaller gun but not before demonstrating how dead he will be by picking up a pillow and throwing it up into the air and having all the guards just immolate it with bullets which seems supremely dangerous in a room like this yeah they're on opposite sides of the room if nothing else would be so loud yeah a giant concrete room with walls angled downwards towards the center of the room where they are seated yeah let's just fire bullets into those walls surely ricochets won't be a concern yeah so here's where we get safin's big villain monologue which as i mentioned his thing is basically like look we're the same we're the same sort of person right we both hate spectre right like spectre did us dirty you know we got screwed over by mr white by blofeld we both fell in love with madeleine we both just want the world to be a better place we just we're just doing we're going about it in different ways right and it's like yeah oh okay i guess sure you know like speaking from bond's perspective right it's like okay i yeah i i see where you think you're going with this i don't know i honestly i quite like this i like ramy malik we haven't talked much about him i think he's doing a good job here i in contrast to all the great cinematography in this movie so far this conversation is shot very flat it's just a bunch of ones just like normal back and forth conversational clean over the shoulder shots and i i wish it was a little bit more involved visually but apart from that i think this is fine yeah i give like 80 odds that in the the close shots the guys standing the guards standing in the background or mannequins just dressed up in outfits like they're they're a deep bouquet so you can't really uh they're moving slightly but like can you imagine being that extra we're gonna just have you stand here for an hour you're never gonna be visible you're just gonna be completely blurred out in the background but you're just gonna stand here but yeah i like ramy malek in this movie he does a good job of like selling the menace even though he's really boring like he's he's menacing but he's got no panache really at all there's very little theatricality like he's just very flat and again i think the menace is there i think he comes across as like when he's threatening madeleine i i think he like does a really good job of being menacing and like appearing threatening but i like he's just he's just so flat they've given him all these affectations but we just know nothing about his character at all he's just such a non-entity in the film that i'm impressed that rami malek was able to do as much with the character as he did i think that's a fair assessment actually now that i think about it yeah after this conversation bond starts to grovel essentially he's like okay you're right you're right i got it i'm sorry i i beg of you you know forgive me you are right because the deal that safin is making him is like look you leave my baby alone and i'll leave your baby alone this is where he tells bond this is your kid by the way but he doesn't do it directly he just is like he gestures to matilda and he's like look you leave my baby alone that being heracles and his plan to just kill a bunch of people and i'll leave your baby alone right so just leave take your explosives shut them down leave the island i won't kill her or matilda and bond's like okay well i'll take them i'll take them both with me then and safin is like you can take the kid but madeline's staying with me and bond's like no i don't think that's gonna work and then it's like well then i'll kill them both and the bond's like okay okay okay grovels and manages to find another gun somewhere in his groin i think it was some sort of secret gun it's unclear where he had that hidden yeah he kind of hammer spaces it you would think that they would have searched him yeah i guess they show that they didn't he takes his his ar off at like he unstraps and is like i'm unarmed but nobody searched him yep i left him full of tinier guns he uses the guns to take out the the three people in the room but there's a trap door and so safin escapes with matilda down through a trapdoor just in time for madeleine to walk into the room yeah just in time i forgot to mention that when the doubles o7 went into that room with all the scientists that's where they found out they were looking at a computer model of what is intended and this is where we find out that safan's just gonna kill huge swaths of people in the world again we don't know why but he's gonna just kill lots of people because he likes it to be tidy he's gonna kill billions for some reason yeah as they're making to leave the island matilda's not playing nice and saffins like all right well if you don't want my protection then you can just go off by yourself and matilda's like cool and leaves and just runs away from him and he's like okay fine goodbye he just doesn't really care so matilda just wanders off by herself yup that's a bit weird it is weird nomi is now taking obrachev as sort of like a human shield and leaves all the other scientists to run away because she's you know mined that whole place and so now it's going to become more and more obvious that they're there because before they were still keeping like kinda on the dl a little bit at least her involvement they're sneaking around a guard spots them she shoots the guard and he falls into the pool and then starts like you know basically melting and that's where all the scientists in the pool are like oh crap oh crap we got to get out of here obrachev is begging for his life in a weird way he's begging for his life by saying by the way i could kill uh your whole race he begs for his life by just getting super racist yeah just like super racist he's like he's like i have a strain that would take out the entire west african diaspora wouldn't that be neat and she's like okay what the what the hell you're not helping your case yeah then she gets to kind of say the name of the movie she's like hey doctor guess what time it is it's time to die and just like sparta kicks him into the fluid so he melts good death for him yeah deserved so bond and madeleine catch back up together they're walking around they stumble across matilda who hid quote just like she was told and so they get reunited which is great bond basically bundles the three of them into the lifeboat and they head off away from the island bond is calling in an air strike basically they're like we can't i don't think we can do that and bonds like you'd better do it you know like again it's diplomatically challenging yeah if we just fire nine missiles at an island between russia and japan everybody's gonna lose their mind yeah russia and japan and world police america are also nearby and are like what do you do in england yeah what do you want to start world war iii and bond is like if we don't there won't be a world to go to war yeah but before that's going to work because of course this is a missile silo he's got to open up the missile doors or else the missiles won't penetrate through to where all the poisoning stuff is oh this is where we get the other scene so there's a bit where we follow bond up some stairs towards the big room of lights and poison fluid and he's up on a catwalk near the camera and he runs off and then immediately runs on again way further away than he would have had time to actually like clear that distance oh yeah so this is the other instance of bond being sort of like temporally anomalous james bond the scp yeah again i kind of like it right like i think it's a yeah a neat technique then we get that scene that you mentioned of bond in the circular in the circular hallway yeah which is like it's cool i guess i guess you're just throwing that in there because it's a neat visual that you can use in the trailers yeah i mean it is great it really does like call back to the gun barrel scene like it's visually like just a really well constructed shot that i like a lot he steps into us the bottom of a stairwell because he needs to get to the top of this tower to the control room to open the doors he steps into a stairwell and a incendiary grenade gets thrown down at him so he's like grabs it hurls it back up so it blows up further up in the stairwell around where it's been thrown from and then three more incendiary grenades get dropped down on him so he dives to the side and somehow doesn't get completely immolated which is very impressive yeah and then we get a wanner yeah which i almost love i i kind of dig it i'm what's uh what's your why are you not totally sold on the one or the one or in this case being a long take action scene without edits that continues on in one shot yeah so i i think the shot is great it's several minutes long it goes on forever it's really impressive it starts at 2 21 16. okay it goes to 223ish like you know it's like a minute and a half or so it's bond climbing the stairwell and the camera follows along with him and it's this this sort of like square shaped stairwell that goes up several floors and at each floor there's a door and so he like gets to a level and guys come through the doors or you can see this the shadows of the guys on the next platform up reflected on the walls and it does this really really impressive job of tension building all the way up and like really impressive stunt work and like gun play all the way up every landing something happens that's super intense and it just gets more and more and more intense the higher up he gets it concludes when he gets to the door to the control room and cyclops busts through and they get into a grappling fight and he throws cyclops down the stairs to the landing below and they like they both tumble down and the camera cuts there and i really truly wish they had continued the long shot through bond killing cyclops because it's almost subconscious but the camera cutting away in that moment releases a bunch of tension from the scene but the actual scene hasn't hit its tension release yet and so the camera flinches on the scene basically and doesn't hold through the actual release of tension in the scene i just that cut frustrates me to no end and it's because they've dropped down a landing and so the camera cuts from the landing it's on to the landing below in close-up with bond grappling with cyclops but it's i don't want to say easy but we've literally in the last year had a movie where the the entire movie was shot in to look like a single shot and it's just like i wish they had blocked that differently so that they could have maintained the long shot through cyclops's death and then watched bond walk out of the stairwell and then cut away because after like he kills he kills cyclops he delivers equipped queues like i had to show someone your watch i really blew their mind and then q is like do you know where the control room is and his bond like holsters his gun and climbs up the stairwell towards that last door again and says well my russian's a little rusty but i think so and then walks out of shot and if they had just held held the scene through the entry to the exit of that action sequence i think it would have been way stronger it would have like helped with the thrust of that scene a lot more i just it all i can see is the cut in this scene now and it frustrates me to no end so again this is like a super nitpicky aesthetic thing but it undermines the whole point of doing it as a oner to me yeah i can't i can't disagree with that i i think that that that's a really good point you can see just before they tumble down the stairs that there's a hidden cut where because most of this is daniel craig going up the stairs but this hidden cut where primo bumps into the camera basically would be to cut to their stunt doubles for jumping down an entire flight of stairs so it would be a difficult cut you'd have to basically have the camera then rush down the stairs after them and then do basically the same kind of cut with one of them totally obscuring the frame back yeah to the actual if you were to maintain the same blocking yeah right like that's why i say i just wish they had blocked it differently so that altered the blocking yeah no i think that's fair i do very much like that bond activates the localized range emp on his watch to blow up the eye prosthetic inside it's really good that's that's how he dies it looks cool it's thematically appropriate and then yeah the line about q i had to show someone your watch it blew their mind very good nice to get that there's even a little like there's like a little tiny little james bond music sting after that line which i appreciate bond as he holsters his gun and turns out of shot has this swagger to his step with this like exhausted swagger to his step which is really great daniel craig does a fantastic job of that that physicality there but yeah i super appreciate what you're saying about the oner i think that's a really excellent point hugh tries to walk him through the correct way to do the controls he just sort of flips a bunch of buttons and it all works which is nice he's let the counterweights go and open the silo doors so that the missiles will be able to come through the missiles are away and now m is having to field a whole bunch of calls from international international intelligence agencies on his way back out bond finds matilda's little doo doo bunny and so he grabs that and then on his way out he notices that the bomb doors have closed again and he's not sure why so he's got to go back he's rushing back to the thing because the missiles are on the way now and they're going to be there in nine minutes from launch and so he's got to get back and reopen the doors again and on his way rushing back he gets shot in the leg by safin who of course hasn't escaped the island yet and so they're now uh in one of those little sort of like round pools in the middle of the zen garden that they've built in the sort of silo area yeah they we have our one-on-one villain fight yeah which is pretty quick honestly it is it's quick there's like some of it is pretty grim yeah bond takes a couple of bullet wounds right like he gets shot in his leg which causes him to fall over then he gets shot again in like the back and so you start to see his shoulder saturate with blood then they get into a hand-to-hand fight pawn fully breaks safin's arm over his knee yep which is pretty rough and in the course of the fight safin rakes his hand across bond's cheek and once the the threat is dealt with he's broken safin's arm bond sort of recoils and safin tells him you know our tragedy is complete i've taken from you the thing you love you you'll never be able to touch them again and reveals that the vial that he had made of the heracles targeting madeline and mathilde has been broke like he's broken it in his hand and has now poisoned bond with this targeted heracles preventing him from from being able to have contact with them again so bond sort of realizes what what's going on here stands up and just puts three bullets in saturn yeah this is the point because they've done such they've made such a point up until now about how it's uncurable it is not removable once you have it you are never getting rid of it and so this is the point of the movie where i was like they gonna do what i think they're gonna do yeah i still didn't think they'd do it but they they did they do it so bond just shoots staff in a whole bunch and then runs back to the to the room i guess it's implied that safin closed the doors i guess anyway he reopens the the doors so they're all open and they're gonna be fine the the missiles will do their job and he gets on with q again he's like so just to clarify you this definitely is never going to get removed and q is like nope nope not at all and then q realizes oh god you've been poisoned with it haven't you and he's like yup can you put madeleine on and so he gets on the phone with madeleine and is like i'm not going to be coming back now and then it makes it clear that it's because he's infected with it and he can he'll never be able to see them again anyway even if he did get out he's basically he's uh happy that matilda exists she confirms to him that matild is his daughter yes yeah he actually gets full confirmation of that from her and then there's a sweeping wide shot where he looks very much like nathan drake i think it's the suspenders and the henley yeah that's true yeah and then uh yeah then the missiles fly in and like split into a bunch of smaller missiles and slam to the ground at which point james bond double 07 is immolated by missiles yeah he's pretty definitively dead and dies it's a nice shot it's a great shot they do a really good job of the wide shot of the island with the missiles raining down on it and just like everything blowing up yeah it's a really beautiful shot he reminds madeleine that they've got all the time in the world that madeleine and matilda have all the time in the world uh and yeah then they kill james bond james bond dies so there's another toy in the toy box they broke that was weird it was weird for james bond to die but again this is what i'm saying this is like because of how they set up these movies because of what they decided they wanted to do with these movies making this an arc of daniel craig's time as bond this was a great ending to that i think that this was a f a good final chapter in that arc i don't like the arc i don't think it should have happened i don't think that the arc needed to exist or was told particularly well as a whole but i think this was a good ending to what they had created yeah and i see where you're coming from i think my position differs slightly not a not a lot like i don't think there's a lot of distance between where you and i land which is like this does feel like a good ending for an arc involving james bond but i don't think there was an arc and i don't think they earned it and you really only get to kill james bond once yeah you can't just keep they can't they can't keep doing this this feels like a waste of that idea if they had come into this with a plan for like we're gonna do five movies and we're gonna make an arc of it and we're like we're actually gonna build up the james bond character and then we're gonna tear him down but we're gonna like build up the mythos of james bond in the process like we're gonna we're gonna have a story that is told contiguously across these five movies and this is our plan for it i think this would have been a good ending for it but i think i think what this movie does for me is it throws into really crystal clarity just how bad an idea trying to retrofit an arc onto this franchise was and it exposes all of the weaknesses of the previous the previous three films because i still think casino royale is basically as close to perfect as a bond movie could be but i just feel like ending this stretch of five movies on this note makes it apparent how weak that construction of five movies was and how poorly they were able to piece together a meaningful arc and lay the groundwork for trying to tell this story and so this movie really suffers for me because it is like this is the kind of story you tell when you bring your fabled hero out of retirement to do one last job and he has to heroically sacrifice himself to ensure that the world lives on and that the next generation of his family lives on that's a good story to finish that on but they didn't do that they brought him out of retirement three previous times and he never had an arc and he never really had a friendship with felix in these movies it's all just referenced because he didn't felix didn't appear on screen in the last two movies so they only really had like one and a half adventures together and the daniel craig franchise because of the way it's constructed sort of puts forward the idea that these are the only adventures bond had right like they they don't allude to the idea that bond had a bunch of other missions in between the ones that we saw and so there's just there's no history for the character to draw it's just doing everything based on borrowed import from its franchise but it's not actually paying that much regard to its franchise it's you know conveniently pulling reference when it feels like it can do so for emotional effect but it's not really honoring the bond franchise in a meaningful way it's only concerned with the five movies that start daniel craig and those movies don't fit together and so trying to end it like this just weakens the whole endeavor because they've now used this great idea in a severely sub-optimal way and so i like it just it doesn't work for me and i don't think it's a good ending to this arc like i don't think it's a good ending to this arc because i don't think this arc works but i think it's a good ending to an arc that i can imagine in my head that they might have made i love that you and i are coming at it from different angles we agree on the image macro of the clasped hands from predator [Laughter] right yeah where it's like you're on this would work as the ending to a different arc i'm on this is a good ending to this arc but we we agree on this arc was bad yeah this shouldn't have happened yeah so i i mostly just find this movie very frustrating as a result and yet while i have no idea where i'm gonna rank it like overall still i have not even begun to think about that i still put this firmly in the middle of the craig films yeah so do i right it's like casino royale skyfall this one spectre quantum yeah a hundred percent that i i in fact did think about where i would rank this because i i maintain a ranked list of the bond movies on my letterboxed account right of course and so i did spend some time sort of hemming and hawing over where i would put it and i put it in a tentative place after seeing it i don't know if that'll change but it did fall in between in exactly that position across the daniel craig bond movies and like for what it's worth i think there's a lot of cool stuff in this movie i just wish it hadn't been so hamstrung by the movies it's trading on i think that's fair i think also that if you don't care and that's a strong word because you shouldn't necessarily have to carry it but if you don't care about james bond films as much as say two guys who do a podcast about it do you know if you're just sort of in there to enjoy the movie i can see you getting way more out of this because i do think it's like by and large like well-paced and fun and entertaining and i like i said i came out of this having had a much better time in the theater than i did when i came out of spectre yes but 100 i agree with you yeah but i also agree with all the stuff you just said we go back by the way because we're not quite done the movie but we go back to mi6 where they've set out a drink for bond and in m's office our m moneypennyq and i guess double07 i guess she's double a seven again i don't know maybe not i don't know this time they retired the number yeah now that he's dead not retired yeah and tanner is also there and m reads a poem that is essentially paraphrased i'm not sure who it's by but it's essentially paraphrases to you know the point of life is to live and enjoy it and not spend your time worrying about getting to the living part and you know it's like i guess but he did just die so i guess he's not living now is he m anyway and then they go all right back to work and then we cut back to madeleine and matilda driving on the same road as they did in the beginning of the movie and then aston martin again and she's like oh i'll tell you about your dad one day we've got all the time in the world yeah i'm gonna tell you a story of a man named james bond and then the camera pans out and they disappear into a tunnel and then it goes to the end credits where the end credits indeed play all the time in the world by louis armstrong from the soundtrack to on her majesty's secret service mm-hmm and that's it and i had to go to the bathroom so badly you have to wait until the absolute ass end of the credits like until the like the special thanks the like yo by the way this was filmed on panavision film or what this was filmed mostly on 65 millimeter by the way yeah uh you know like this was you know the motion picture association and then like the absolute fine print of like this is owned by ann productions filmed at pinewood studios et cetera et cetera you got to wait for all of that every last thing it is deadass silent they bring up the title of the movie again it's you just watch no time to die fades out wait another like solidly like three seconds after even more fine print and then it says james bond will return and i say audibly in the theater [Laughter] i love it i almost wish they hadn't put it there i don't know stand your ground right like you just killed james bond let's leave that an open question until you make the next movie but on the one hand i appreciate that it's there because it's like all right we intend to continue the james bond franchise and james bond the character will return in a future adventure but to a certain extent i wish they had just like in the same way that i wish like infinity war hadn't had a post-credit sequence right where it's like you know we just they let it sit for once thanos snapped and nothing that would have been powerful i like it when they break convention for a good reason right i like playing with the formula i like introducing novel ideas i like putting a twist on things if they're gonna do this story and kill james bond i'd like i would have liked them to like don't reassure us bond's dead you just killed him let us sit with that for a while i appreciate the reassurance i agree with you i think it'd be very cool i actually much prefer the the the infinity war idea but i do i do think that that it would have been really cool like what a neat idea but also i i'm i'm glad that they're not just like all right we're done yeah yeah yeah anyhow i don't know i i look forward to the next spawn movie yeah me too this one wasn't a total write-off it was it was fun i would classify it as like categorically a disappointment which is a shame because we like spun up this whole podcast to like be ready for this movie we spent like two years anticipating this movie i don't know 20 20 21 was a rough year for me in media generally where like everything i was excited for disappointed and it's only recently that i've had like a couple of things like really deliver for me but there was this a video game i played that i've been like super hyped for and just incredibly disastrously let me down a couple other movies that i was like super hyped for that didn't turn out and so like just let me enjoy something please just let me enjoy something and eon productions will whisper no [Laughter] i'm looking forward to seeing tom holland as james bond and jesus christ don't do this to me it's gonna brace yourself prepare yourself now i give you 80 odds that's that's my bet is that tom hall tom holland really tom holland is james bond he's too high profile the right age he's too high profile maybe i actually think the likelihood of that happening has gone down since the sale of mgm to to amazon because when this when the bond movies were uh like an mgm sony pictures co-production 100 tom holland was going to be the next bond i just hope that i just hope that eon productions like holds their f and ground now that you know that you could say that they're owned by amazon that they're not like all right well we're going to do a spin off with this you know and we're going to do a limited series on amazon prime with this and it's like no no no stop stop stop just let bond make a movie every three years yeah don't don't turn it into an oversaturated franchise please yeah everybody's high on on continuity-based universes right now but don't don't do it don't do it you've tried once and it was bad [Laughter] don't try to expand that universe don't try to make an interconnected the marvel cinematic universe just don't do it you've got a 60-year history of just telling one-off stories where there's occasionally very loose continuity between films it's been incredibly lucrative basically every movie makes a billion dollars except in the middle of a global pandemic just you know it works yeah well we have been recording for about three days and someday i wish to see my family again so we should stop putting off where we rank these movies or this movie on our list yeah let's do that okay so what pre-title pre-title all right yeah it's still basically in the middle yeah it's been so long since we've did these i don't remember what any of the pre-title sequences are the bike jump is the bike jump is cool it's a good car chase it's also 25 minutes and a lot of stuff didn't need to be there yeah i think the fact that the first 12 minutes are basically without purpose significantly and dramatically marks this one down for me that said it's definitely better than faberge egg clown statistically most of these are better than faberge egg clown and i i'm inclined to agree with you so that puts it in the top two thirds uh view to a kill oh view to a kill is the skiing down the mountain into the iceberg shaped submarine what about tomorrow never dies tomorrow never dies is james bond oh and the jet and the jet and the the weapons deal the weapons market right yeah that one's pretty good i mean i've got it exactly in the middle but it's pretty good i think this goes down closer to iceberg shaped submarine this might go just above faberge egg clown actually i'm gonna put this just between the man with the golden gun and tomorrow never dies goldfinger opening is that duck hat oh it is it's the the duck hat okay this is going just behind goldfinger for me [Laughter] because you're right the stunt the stunts are super good when we eventually get to them so i'm gonna put this between goldfinger and octopussy all right title sequence the actual theme song i agree with you that it sounds very similar to spectre i liked it better than spectre so i'm putting it above spectre okay ironically i have spectre much higher in my list well two points higher in my list than i than you have spectre yeah you know do i like it better than license to kill i think this goes above moonraker for me i'm committing to it this goes above moonraker for me so this is below tomorrow never dies and above moonraker for me i'm actually going to adjust up higher because i'm now remembering them they're all sort of flooding back and i i think it needs more but i think i like it better than even then the world is not enough okay so i think i'll this slots in between moonraker and the world is not enough for me i'll allow it all right it's funny like i actually enjoyed watching this movie quite a bit but in the panoply of bond it's pretty medium all the way along because where do you put the film uh so my where i have it on letterboxed where i've actually placed it on letterboxed is immediately above spectre oh interesting so i have it below the man with the golden gun and above spectre i think i probably am going to adjust that up from here but i don't think i'm gonna adjust that up a lot man with the golden gun was kind of mean and this isn't mean everyone in it is great but everyone man with the golden gun was great too they were just working with what they could yeah of course i like man with golden gun way more than you yeah the world is not enough that's the one with the pipeline right yep okay it's better than that is it better than tomorrow never dies i don't think so that's where i'm putting it i think i'd rather watch tomorrow never dies than this tomorrow never dies is half as long i'm actually putting it just above tomorrowland all right there we go which is still like i don't know 13th i guess yeah so yeah after all that it's fine it's fine it's a fine movie i don't know i might put that well i might qualify that as below the line where bond movies are bad oh sorry sorry sorry let me know let me let me try that with a different inflection it's fine [Music] yeah not bad not bad there we are we did it cool yeah we did it it's done there are no more bond movies left to rank and it wasn't even a five hour long recording like people thought it might be yet we're at 4 21. i don't think it's going to take us 40 minutes to wrap up oh you say that we got to come up with what our next podcast is graham well okay so you and i have talked about this and that we didn't discuss actually mentioning it on this podcast but i'm going well i i didn't even think we had discussed anything i was just throwing that out as a joke but if you want to discuss a future podcast i'm super in well no because you and i talked about looking at the the history of james bond video games oh yeah right yeah in a similarly limited sort of like quasi-podcasty let's play series replay with love right we were we were joking about it and then i was like oh obviously we'd call it replay with love and you were like oh well now we have to well now we have to yeah yeah exactly so that's something that we're looking at doing we have no time we have no time expected for that but that is something we just have no time period end of sentence we have no time goodbye thank you for listening we have no we have no idea when when we might get around to doing that maybe by the time this episode comes out maybe we'll have a better idea but that's that's something that yeah hopefully like to pursue in in 2022 it'd be a different sort of thing because rather than like a two-hour episode on one game we'd probably like play through the games because wouldn't that be fun but details to follow when we know them because right now we don't but the point is you can look forward to more from specifically myself and matt in the future whenever that may be i will also put forward yes as an alternative i have had many requests and i mean james and i have also fielded many requests but i have had many requests to do any number of film franchises and i think this is a lot of fun and i would love to do more i agree i would love to just continue doing movie podcasts because i get a lot of pleasure out of doing movie podcasts [Laughter] i'm on board and hopefully you all are at home as well but until then until we talk again you can talk to us online easiest way to get a hold of either of us is twitter mine is graham underscore lrr and at matt underscore lr which i increasingly feel like i should update but i mean this is a loading ready run thing not if you keep doing podcasts with us yeah exactly this is this is why i have to do keep doing podcasts cause i can't get the twitter name i want and so i have to just continually make my presence known from time to time to justify my continued use of the underscore lr on my twitter name it's the whole reason i do this perfect so yeah until then uh a reminder of course that everything that we do including this show and all our other stuff is brought to you by you the listener at our patreon patreon.comloadingreadyrun i want to thank anyone who may have helped me doing the audio edit on this because it might be kathleen or might be jordan or i might be doing it all by myself i don't know but you'll have to stay around for the end credits i want to thank featherweight for doing all the wonderful art that we've had through the episodes and of course matt griffiths for the terrific video edits they're great if you're only listening audio only we really appreciate you but give a look to the to the video ones because they're fun too but that's it so unless you have anything further to add matt i don't think so all right this has been a blast this has been an enormous pleasure i was gonna say it's been an absolute pleasure doing this with you and i look forward to doing more stuff at some point yeah all right goodbye everybody in some form or another this podcast will return [Music] you

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Length: 180min 4sec (10804 seconds)

Published: Fri Jan 28 2022