TO THE GREAT ART LAFFER. FIRST, JOINING ME NOW, KASH PATEL, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY, FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, FORMER DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CHIEF OF STAFF, AUTHOR OF, GOVERNMENT GANGSTERS. WELCOME BACK. YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT GUY. START WITH THE TRUMP FIASCO. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU'RE ACTUALLY A LAWYER AND A FORMER PROSECUTOR. >> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, LARRY, I'M ALSO A FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER. I'M ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE LAWYERS ON BOTH DEFENSE AND PROSECUTION SIDE. FOR ME THE TWO TIERS OF JUSTICE ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE SYSTEM AND NOW THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. IN ORDER TO DESTROY IT YOU NEED SOME SORT OF WRECKING BALL TO HAMMER ITS WAY THROUGH IT AND I THINK FOR THE POLITICAL LEFT TRUMP HAS BECOME THAT JUGGERNAUT THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO USE SINCE RUSSIA-GATE TO TAKE HIM OUT BUT I THINK IT WILL BACKFIRE. WHEN YOU HAVE THE CAMPAIGN CASE, LIKE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN DOLLAR CASE TO BUY THE STEELE DOSSIER AND DOJ REFUSED TO PROSECUTE HER, EVERY STATE ATTORNEY REFUSED TO PROS KATE HERE, IT WAS NOT VIOLATION OF THE LAW RESULTING IN A CIVIL PENALTY. WHY DONALD TRUMP IS BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY IS EDUCATION PROCESS FOR MANY AMERICANS THAT WILL BACKFIRE ON THE LEFT. LARRY:KKASH I'M NOT A LAWYER YOU ARE, I'M NOT A LEGAL BEAGLE YOU ARE, BUT ALL OTHER PARTIES, FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION THEY ALL WALKED AWAY FROM THIS. >> YEAH. LARRY: I THOUGHT THE JONATHAN TURLEY REFERENCE TO FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOHN EDWARDS WAS INTERESTING TOO. THAT WAS A STRONGER CASE APPARENTLY. THEY COULDN'T TOUCH HIM, YOUR POINT ABOUT MRS. HILLARY CLINTON, THERE ARE DOUBLE STANDARDS RUNNING ALL THROUGH THIS? >> NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY. JONATHAN TURLEY, SO MANY OTHERS YOU HAVE ARE ACTUAL LEGAL GENIUSES IN THIS ONE. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT BEING IN COURT TRIED THESE CASES, WHEN YOU PUT A WITNESS LIKE MICHAEL COHEN WHO IS CONVICTED FEDERAL FELON, SERVED THREE YEARS IN PRISON FOR CRIMES OF LYING, FRAUD AND DECEPTION THAT IS WHO THE CASE IS ALLEGEDLY BASED ON. EVEN IF WE PUT ASIDE THE TWO TIER SYSTEM OF JUSTICE, YOU HAVE THE TWO TIER SYSTEM OF LAW PRACTICE PLAYING OUT IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY. THE WITNESS COUNTERMANNEDDED THE NARRATIVE PUT BY MICHAEL COHEN AND BIAS. THIS GRAND JURY, FOR ALL THE WRONGS PROSECUTOR HAS, THIS GRAND JURY HAS A CHANCE ALBEIT LOW ONE SINCE THIS IS NEW YORK CITY, TO EXECUTE NOT A PENDING BILL OF INDICTMENT. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. EVEN IF IT GETS TO TRIAL, WILL BACKFIRE EVEN MORE ON THE LEFT, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL SEE THE CHARACTERS, COHENS, ET CETERA WERE USED TO MANUFACTURE AN ALMOST DECADE-OLD CASE NO ONE ELSE CHOSE TO BRING. MIND YOU THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION LEADING THAT CHARGE CHOSE NOT TO BRING IT. LARRY: WELL YOU KNOW, YEARS BACK FAMOUSLY, INFAMOUSLY, A WELL-KNOWN NEW YORK JUDGE SAID IN NEW YORK YOU YOU CAN INDICT A HAM SANDWICH. THAT IS WHAT ALVIN BREAK MAY BE DOING, HE MAKING INDICTING A HAM SANDWICH. IN FAIRNESS TO THIS DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY CASE AT ALL? WE'LL HAVE ANDREW McCARTHY ON THE SHOW LATER IN THE WEEK, DISTINGUISHED FORMER PROSECUTOR, CONSERVATIVE AND GREAT FRIEND. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME TAX PAYMENT RELATED ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT STUFF, KAS I'M JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH IS THERE ANY SORT OF CASE YOU CAN THINK OF HERE? >> IT IS A REAL TOUGH STRETCH, REQUIRES A LEGAL FICTION. BOOTSTRAP A STATE LEVEL MISDEMEANOR CHARGE TO A FELONY TAX ISSUE, COMBINE THE TWO JUST TO PIERCE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. LARRY: RIGHT. >> THEN YOU YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SUBSTANTIVE FACTS TO BACK THAT UP. IT IS A VERY, VERY TOUGH HILL. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALVIN BRAGG ISN'T GOING TO TRY IT TO GET THE POLITICAL VICTORY I THINK THIS CASE IS ALL ABOUT. AGAIN IT WILL PUT ON DISPLAY THE TWO TIER SYSTEM OF JUSTICE WITH YOU YOU COVERED WONDERFULLY ON THE SHOW WHICH AMERICA NEEDS RESTORED TO A SINGLE TIER OF JUSTICE SO IT IS NOT WEAPONIZED. LARRY: I'M SO TIRED OF THIS IS RUSSIA-GATE. KASH PATEL WHAT IS PRIME MINISTER XI DOING IN RUSSIA RIGHT NOW. >> HE UNFORTUNATELY IS HAVING A FIELD DAY. TWO OF AMERICA'S LARGEST ADVERSARIES, THEY JUST BROKERED A DEAL BETWEEN SAUDI AND IRAN, LARGEST STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM AND SAUDI AND IRAN ALLOWING IRAN TO GET A NUCLEAR WEAPON. VLADMIR PUTIN GETTING TOGETHER TO COMBINE ECONOMIC FORCES YOU SPEAK TO BETTER THAN ANYONE ON A FINANCIAL SECURITY FRONT, PROVIDING WHEREWITHAL, METALLURGY AND SUPPLIES WITH A WEAPON TO USE AGAINST AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AND AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE THIS IS NOT A GOOD DAY FOR AMERICA. THIS IS A TABLE DAY FOR THE WORLD. WE WERE SET ASIDE ON THE GLOBAL STAGE BECAUSE OF JOE BIDEN'S FAILURE TO ACT DIPLOMATICALLY OR OTHERWISE WHEN IT MATTERS. LARRY: THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO GO, WHETHER DOLLAR SHORT, A DAY LATE AS SOME PEOPLE ARGUE, I THINK BIDEN'S DIPLOMACY A YEAR AGO WAS FOR NO GOOD. HOW DOOR PUTIN GO INTO UKRAINE. WE'LL DO THIS, THAT, OTHER THING. HE WENT IN ANYWAY. WE SHOULD HAVE ACTED AHEAD OF TIME BUT WE DIDN'T. ANYWAY, WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, WHY CAN'T THE UNITED STATES, THIS IS AN HONEST QUESTION, KASH, WHY CAN'T THE UNITED STATES CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE BUT AT THE SAME TIME SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP WITH RESPECT TO, I WILL JUST CALL THEM TALKS WITH VLADMIR PUTIN? I WANT TO GO BACK A LONG TIME AGO TO MY FORMER BOSS RONALD REAGAN WHO HAD A HUGE MILITARY BUILDUP HERE, WHO DID EVERYTHING HE COULD TO STOP RUSSIAN, SOVIET RUSSIAN COMMUNISM, ECONOMICALLY, MILITARILY, SO FORTH, SO ON, BUT HE WAS WILLING TO TALK TO THE SOVIETS, AT LEAST IN HIS SECOND TERM. I DON'T SEE PRESIDENT BIDEN DOING ANYTHING. I SEE HIM IN FACT OPENING THE DOOR TO A GUY LIKE XI WHO IS OUR ADVERSARY, WHO IS OUR WORST ADVERSARY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS? WHERE ARE BIDEN'S DIPLOMATIC INITIATIVES. >> IT IS AN INTENTIONAL DECISION NOT TO ENGAGE. LARRY, YOU AND MY FORMER BOSS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SHOWED ME HOW TO DO IT. ME AND STAFF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT HAD LARGEST BUDGETS, DOD EVER SEEN. WE WERE ABLE TO MANUFACTURE ARMS NOT JUST FOR AMERICA AND AMERICAN ALLIES WE WERE ABLE TO WITHDRAW FROM THE NEVER ENDING WARS IN AFGHANISTAN AND SOMALIA. THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF CHOOSES TO DO SO. INSTEAD OF HOLDING ONE SINGLE DIPLOMATIC TALK BETWEEN PUTIN, ZELENSKYY AND OTHERS HE SAID WE WILL FUND THE WAR TO NO END, WE'LL GIVE YOU MACHINERY, JETS AND EQUIPMENT WHICH LEAD TO IT AMERICAN PERSONNEL ON THE GROUND. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT THIS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF IS COMMITTING BLOOD AND TREASURE TO UKRAINE LIKE SO MANY DID IN AFGHANISTAN UNLIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO CHOSE TO WITHDRAW SECURELY AND SAFELY. THAT IS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF WITH GAL MUST MAKE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON THE WORLD STAGE AND IN FACT HE IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THESE CONVERSATIONS. LARRY: LOOK I FAVOR HELPING THE UKRAINIANS. I UNDERSTAND THE FREEDOM ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND THE INTERNATIONAL LAW ISSUES. I ALSO UNDERSTAND BATTLEFIELD DIFFICULTIES. WOULD IT BE SUCH A BAD THING FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BE SUPPLYING WEAPONS AND HELPING UKRAINE BUT AT THE SAME TIME TO BE HOLDING TALKS WITH PUTIN AND RUSSIANS? WOULD THAT BE SO BAD? >> NO. I THINK IF WE DID IT SIMULTANEOUSLY IT WOULD SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE WORLD THAT WE ARE NOT IN THIS JUST TO WARMONGER. WE'RE IN THIS FOR A PEACEFUL NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT SO THAT NOT MORE UKRAINIANS, EUROPEANS, RUSSIANS, AMERICANS, DIE ON THE BATTLEFIELD. ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS I EVER HAD TO DO AS CHIEF OF STAFF AT DOD IS A DIGNIFIED TRANSFER. I WILL TELL YOU, LARRY, I NEVER WANT TO SIT THROUGH ONE OF THOSE AGAIN BURYING OUR SOLDIERS FOR ANOTHER PERSON'S WAR IS THE WORST THING I EVER HAD TO DO AND WE CAN FIGHT AND COMBAT AGAINST IT BY SUPPLYING OUR ALLIES, ALSO BY TELLING THEM AND OUR ADVERSARIES THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER ON A DIPLOMATIC RESOLUTION BEHIND THE STRENGTH AND THREAT OF A KINETIC ONE AND UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WE'RE NOW DOING IS NOT EVEN THE THREAT OF A KINETIC ONE. WE'RE JUST DUMPING IN MONEY, ARMS AND EQUIPMENT AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING. THAT IS A STORY FOR WHOLE ANOTHER DAY BUT I BET XI XINPING AND PUTIN ARE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, PICKING UP AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AND WEAPONRY ANYWHERE THEY CAN AND BRINGING IT INTO UKRAINE. LARRY: KASH PATEL, LAST 30, 40 SECONDS, YOU THINK XI IS PROMISING LETHAL WEAPONS TO PUTIN? >> ABSOLUTELY. THEY'RE DOING IT ALREADY IN AFGHANISTAN. THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM NOT TO DO IT FACE-TO-FACE. THEY'RE PARTNERS IN AFGHANISTAN WITH ALL THE $85 BILLION OF EQUIPMENT THAT BIDEN LEFT THERE. THEY'RE ADVANCING THOSE TALKS IN A THREE-DAY SUMMIT IN MOSCOW AND ST. PETERSBURG. THEY WILL PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL AND INGREDIENTS BEYOND THE ECONOMIC ONES, METALLURGY, EQUIPMENT AN MACHINERY NECESSARY TO COMBINE FORCES. THEY WILL FULFILL EACH OTHER'S NEED. IT IS THE ULTIMATE
