This Is The Root of All Chronic Disease | Naveen Jain on Health Theory

on today's episode of hell theory with Naveen Jane we covered the microbiome how we're only 1% human the fact that your DNA is not your destiny we talk about his dad's cancer diagnosis how we've helped my wife Lisa restore her gut health and how biome is making chronic disease a choice welcome to health theory everybody today's guest is Naveen Jain a self-made billionaire who has dedicated his entire life to addressing the biggest issues in human health with his new company volume in his own words he wants to make illness a choice so my question Naveen is how on earth do we make illness a choice well most of our health when you talk about really comes from these chronic diseases and the chronic diseases are whether it's a Parkinson's Alzheimer's when you look at depression anxiety or you look at OCD ADHD obesity diabetes cancer or even all the autoimmune diseases every one of them is caused by one simple thing which is a chronic inflammation and the chronic inflammation happens because your gut microbiome is out of balance as you know the 70% of our immune system is along our gut lining what we eat is what feeds the microbiome and that actually trains our immune system and when your microbiome is out of balance your immune system is out of balance and when your body is out of balance it is at not at ease and which is what we call disease all right so let's back up and give people a quick breakdown of exactly what the microbiome is and the coolest example I've ever heard you use is talking about humans as a form of AI that's basically meant to lug around the microbiome explain that I thought that was really a pretty powerful insight yeah so actually you know you think about there and say how did humans actually got created and if you think from the perspective of the nature as you know on on our spacecraft we call planet Earth these are single-cell organism the you crea arts and the bacteria and viruses in the front a fungi and east and the mold around for billions of years the humors are give or take up a couple of hundred thousand years old so you wonder how did humans got created so here is my tongue in cheek a story of how I believe it actually happened one day all these organisms got together they were living in Africa and they say you know we're sick and tired of living in this a small space we want to take over the world and they all looked at each other and one of the smarter one said you know I think I know what to do what do you do what if we can create something we are trillions of us can live inside it all we have to do is keep this thing healthy it's going to walk around everywhere we're gonna make them crave what we want they're gonna find that food for us they're gonna go all over the world they're gonna poop everywhere they're gonna spread us around and we're gonna take over the world and they created human and the humans as the humans were evolving suddenly they started to worry as you know vien you and I now worry about artificial intelligence and we keep wondering if this thing we just created call artificial intelligence if some day it got is smarter than us what would happen to us and these guys were no dumb they start thinking about that and so one of the young one went to the master it's a master master we created this thing called humans what if this thing got smarter than us what will we do masters is not to worry how so master he says right inside their cell they call that mitochondria you know it's one of our brothers right it's one of the ancient bacteria we talk to it all the time this thing is the energy factory for their self they go out of control we turn the energy off they're done there's a master you're so brilliant until another younger one said master master you completely forgetting the point here they're starting to develop this thing called brain what are we going to do with that masters is not to worry remember most of us live inside the gut we put a direct connection from the gut right to their brain they call that a vagus nerve and they they don't quite remember just because they call it the vagus nerve like Las Vegas what happens in the gut doesn't stay in the gut it goes everywhere we in fact control what happens in their brain and we let them know what we want through something they call neurotransmitters since you're the member serotonin yeah I remember serotonin it makes them feel good yeah guess what we produce 90 percent of the serotonin right in the gut we don't let them produce it they want to feel good they gotta feed us and all the stuff they controlled our amygdala through their micro RNA interference they control our prefrontal cortex so our decision-making our behavior what we do what we want is controlled by them and you see young ones just remember like a good leader we make them think they're making a decision we rather want simply pulling the strings so just sit back enjoy and let them take care of us what I love about that it's really one of the first times I've heard somebody talk about the microbiome coming first which obviously from an evolutionary standpoint it did yes and you know talking about how nature really coops if something works here then it's likely to work there and I remember thinking one time why are all viruses bad like why are all of their symptoms negative the runny nose the fever and then I realized not we in fact I mean if you think about us we are a walking talking ecosystem so if you think from is in a spiritual perspective or you think about from a larger universe perspective we humans are part of this larger ecosystem we call environment we as humans our environment in ourselves the trillions of micro organism inside us we are a ecosystem and when our ecosystem gets damaged because we are feeding it the wrong thing then our body essentially starts to suffer and same thing when you start to impact our outside environment our body starts to impact because we're part of this larger ecosystem the thing that's most interesting is that it's only now that we are able to understand what is going on inside our body it used to be completely a black box and people always felt for the time they always wanted to eat healthy but the problem was no one knew what was healthy and so you will come up with these fad diet but you start to look at the Paleo diet and you start to look at the key to tighten the leptin diet and you know every day there is a new fad diet the fact is you and I share almost the identical DNA 99.9 percent of our DNA is identical when it comes to our organism our environment inside our body less than 5% is the same and that's the reason there is no such thing called inflammatory food or or a healthy food because if food that's healthy for you may not be healthy for someone else in fact the food that's healthy for you today may not be healthy for you in 3 months then explain to people why exactly that is yeah so first of all if you think about that our bodies are extremely unique as I said and our ecosystem inside the gut so every time you eat food what's the first thing is being encountered is encountered by the microbiome and depending on their ecosystem they are able to metabolize that food and either produce the nutrients that your body needs or it can produce the toxins that actually hurt the body and inflame the body so for example is spinach most people who think the spinach is healthy it turns out a spinach is not healthy for me and the reason is if spinach has a lot of oxalate and if you don't have the oxalobacter and your gut it's actually not going to be meta oxalate cannot be metabolized by the gut microbiome that means it's now being fed by someone else who is going to create and Lipa polysaccharides which is LPS which is going to cause inflammation in your body so it turns out that as we have gone through now tens of thousands of people in are things we find 30 percent of the people in our system today in fact spinach is harmful to them losing yeah and more than an interesting thing is 50% of the people that we see that think or polyphenol everybody thinks the pomegranate juice is good for them or the walnuts are good for them or you know the blueberries are good for them all of these are really good for about half the people other half you're simply wasting your money it does nothing other than stressing and harming your body because you do not have the right organisms to be able to digest them so unlike everyone else in this field that has before us nobody has been able to see what these microbes are actually doing they only focused on who they were and interesting thing is like us as humans I mean were their only focus on who they were yeah so in a sense that that poo isn't looking at the things that who are these organisms what are their names are the name Paul and Tom and John and you know it's Paul Tom and John but this Paul the plumber is Paul the entrepreneur is Paul the electrician or what is Paul actually doing so knowing who they are doesn't tell you anything until you know exactly the function they are performing so if you think about by knowing the organism it simply tells you what they could do but just like any one of us we have a potential but we could be doing completely different things depending on what else is around us so if you talk you know fewer with me you could be calm and quiet you could be with Lisa you could be partying right so depending on who else is with you you change your behavior and simply based on what is being fact to you you change your behavior all right we got to unpack this because this is so important for people to understand so Joseph Campbell has a quote that I think is insanely powerful and is really a play here which is if you want to change the world change the metaphor and I feel like what you're bringing to the table and what I find so interesting about the tongue-and-cheek story is it actually forces us to change the metaphor and think of us as a shell yeah that's housing the microbiome and that the microbiome in the fun story like organizes gifts together builds the structure and while that may not be sort of mythologically true it's it really gets you to start thinking about it in the right way so okay now you think of us as a shell and it gets that whole notion of we're less than 1% human just really fast explain that so basically we have more foreign cells in our body than the human self when it comes to gene expression our human DNA only expresses about 20,000 genes and the microbiome in our gut produces about 22 million to 20 million genes so at best we have one percent human from a gene expression perspective or worse we appoint all one percent you want just really crazy and most people do not understand that and and I wouldn't have understood it we'll talk more Lisa later I certainly would not have understood that until seeing what she was going through and trying to figure that out and I had to change my metaphor I had to think of the microbiome first I had to start thinking about being an ecosystem so alright we've got this shell it's expressing one percent roughly of the genes that are active in within that shell but I'm more than that I want to also talk about that one percent and you know most people think of our DNA as our destiny our genes are our destiny it turns out the genes are really not your destiny it is obviously your microbiome but even within the genes it is a gene expression that counts not the genes in themselves and here's what I mean by that every part of our body has identical DNA so our here are you know skin our lung you know our heart everything has the same DNA but they're completely different it is the expression of the same DNA that causes the thing to be what they are so that means Nature has put together something called epigenetically that means you can control what genes are expressed what genes are over Express or under Express now imagine what happens our microbiome releases these things called metabolites which are the small molecules after they digest the food they release these nutrients and metabolites that are absorbed in our blood as a reaction to what is digest what did I just did okay and then these metabolites are absorbed in our blood and guess what happens they start to epigenetically start to control our gene expression right this is so important and that is really the key is that D now can change the gene expression of what is going on inside the human body not only your immune system whether it is under active or active and essentially or saying this is a friend or a foe they are training the immune system but more importantly they're also changing or gene expression so for example what they found was recently that the cancer is not only caused by the microbiome and influenced by microbiome two weeks ago they found that pancreatic cancer is actually is the microbes moving from the gut going to pancreas shutting down the immune system in the pancreas and let the cancer go and they are actually found that if you're able to put the antimicrobial thing in the apprentice and use the immunotherapy this shank - a primary cancer by 50% in three weeks they found the Mayo Clinic that the research about three four months ago they seen the breast cancer is caused by the microbiome they look at 1,600 breast cancer tissues and found the same microbiome what's more important there is all the people that have that shared is similar Mike yeah Mike similar microbial very interesting in the end up and in the cancer tumor mmm but more about the cancer tumor has its own microgram so cancer tumor had the microbiome and here is more interesting part the therapy for cancer whether it works or it kills you depends on your microbiome so the food is your microbiome and the microbiome of the cancer what your microbiome so it's very interesting when you take a drug whether it's a chemotherapy or it's immunotherapy so chemotherapy drug whether it actually works or completely creates toxins and depends on your microbiome that because the microbiome is metabolize and anti-bill izing these chemotherapy drug and sometime it turns them into poison that is guaranteed to kill you other time it detoxifies it it doesn't kill cancer or it actually amplifies and allows it to kill cancer right immunotherapy the same way they found the certain microbes that microbiome would make it 10x more impactful for immune system to attack the cancer or it actually doesn't so whether even not just the cancer is caused by a microbe and whether the cancer treatment works or does not work depends on your microbiome they found the same thing with PTSD they found the depression is obviously the inflammatory disease and when you fix your gut I mean even our customers never we don't go out as why um ever cure a disease we fix the inflammation and we fix the balance and you gut and some people will tell us that hey I had depression is gone I had anxiety it is gone I had acne it is gone and there were two women who went on dr. Oz Show and one of them lost 71 pounds we were not trying to happen happen lose weight we simply she had inflammation in fixed inflammation people have autoimmune diseases IBD IBS go through these diseases which are simply the names we give to certain set of symptoms the fact is all of these diseases are fundamentally chronic inflammation that can be controlled through your diet right so the trick really is not saying what is a healthy food you need to say it's not about the food it's about me what's healthy for me not what's a healthy food because like Hippocrates said right all diseases begin in the gut one man's food is another man's poison so his spinach could be good for you it could be toxin for you and then he said let food be thy medicine let thy man it's gonna be the food and we forgotten that right yeah dude it's so crazy so I want to really tie off this change in metaphor that I think you're bringing which is so important and if we can get everybody to make this switch and really start thinking about it then I think they're gonna understand better why it's so important what they eat totally giving you that it's different for everybody and it depends on the current state of your microbiome not even just let a snapshot last forever that it's like very dynamic and what you're eating influences your microbiome and all that and we'll get into that but so you were saying Bob Sallie whatever you want to call your microbiome there not only is there diversity but they will also act differently in different circumstances and so thinking of the microbiome is sort of wrapping this human shell around them but anthropomorphizing them so that you understand that they have a personality that they can get stressed out that they're calm can affect your calm so the microbiome obviously is in some sort of communication with us but get us to as close as the layman's understanding of exactly how that communication works so like for instance if Lisa doesn't meditate in the morning who doesn't sometimes even meditate right before she eats just eating will upset her stomach even though it's safe food yeah but meditating makes a difference so so again remember that our body is not a one-way tunnel it is a bi-directional things right so the stress that we have causes our microbiome to change and when your microbiome is upset it causes us to be stressed or anxious or depressed right so how what's the mechanism mechanism is you know the depression or anxiety is the inflammation right so when you your microbiome is releasing things like lipeh polysaccharides they are absorbed in the blood that causes the immune system to have a low-grade inflammation and the low-grade inflammation is what causes you to be depressed right but why does it or how does it how does inflammation have so many varied responses yeah so think about it inflammation is like a you know a a constant body in a large situation so your immune system is constantly alert and one way for it to kill what they think is the enemy is to create the inflammation so it can engulf it and essentially destroy it right but you have that thing was really really good when you actually had some communicable disease or when you were trying to do fight or flight for stress like it was really good for body to get ready to fight or flight right but when you are in living in a modern society when you are now stress is being caused by relationships ice caused by because you work environment is not right or you know monetary thing go on in number of other reasons what happens to your body is constantly on that alert and it's constantly releasing the cortisol and your microbiome is saying first thing meant by the way when you go into fight or flight response is your digestive system shuts down right so part of the human our body for it to survive was saying hey you're about to get attacked by a tiger the last thing you need to worry about is try to eat the thing try to digest the thing you just eat just shut down everything that's not necessary right now right this movement and only have the essential function be working so digestive system is shut down so when you are stressed essentially at that point you digest system ation down so the by meditating what you're doing is taking the cortisol levels to essentially down and that allows the body and the microbiome to be essentially saying okay you're no longer in that fight-or-flight response let's start the digestive system again but what I really want to understand so there's two things one I want to know the mechanism by which they communicate what you talking about optics which I was like the help so understanding how they're using photons to actually communicate and then part two is why sometimes depression why sometimes anxiety why sometimes cancer like how can inflammation manifest in so many different ways so first of all let's start the last part for us if you look at the chronic inflammation it's not localized right so your whole body is under inflammation and when your body's under stress since it's all connected it always breaks at the weakest link right so if your whole body that is like think of it like a chain and it's at this point when there is under stress the weakest part of the chain will break first so let's assume you've been drinking a lot and you have inflammation boom your liver is the first one to go right so if depending on wherever the weakest thing is for other reasons in your life that whatever the weakest sub component is that is the first one to break right and that's the reason you find them in a different the same type of inflammation may cause obesity in one diabetes in someone else it may cause a depression in one person it may cause a autoimmune and someone else right because at the end of the day depending on wherever this thing pops up right and you can and what our pharmaceutical drugs are basically palpable right you kill you essentially put this one down suppress this symptom it pops up here and then you get a new set of symptom and you suppress that symptom you pop three more symptoms now and then now by the time you get to be sixty years old you're taking more pills for your breakfast than you need in the breakfast right yeah and that's literally the business model of our pharmaceutical companies they really have become to large extent a parasite on society thriving on these chronic diseases and interesting thing is chronic disease are preventable unlike the communicable diseases you catch infection you don't catch obesity you don't catch your diabetes you don't catch a depression it is you develop it over a long period of time right you do share when you start to live together you start to share your microbiome and it's very interesting is there so many studies done that the microbiome actually not only within this even cross-species causes the symptoms to pop up so for example think of your microbiome as as a fecal fecal matter what they did is they took a microbiome put that from a fat man to a mice and the mice became fat there I'm a human from human two different species altogether and they took the microbiome of a thin person gave it to the Mice and mice became thin so it tells you that not only the microbiome is positive it is positive across species all right really fast I got to stop you there so obviously I've heard that through fecal transplants you can take some and you could do for mouse a mouse in you know you could cross but what I want to really bring home for people is the mechanism that is at play there so has to do with metabolites has to do with like what what is the signaling that's because somebody that's obese right now thinks it's a moral failing no it's not and so I why not so obesity is inflammatory disease it is not your fault in fact you could eat less than anyone else when people talk about and say oh he can eat anything he wants and I eat just a tiny bit food I get fat because when you have a leaky gut and leaky gut what I mean by there is you epithelial cell that's supposed to keep the microbiome and the food inside the colon is now is leaking and going into the blood the blood when these things and food is leaked into the blood what happened it freaks out and what only freaks are what it is do inflammation right so this inflammation happens because you have a leaky gut and you get allergies you get eczema you get all the different types of things because you you have a leaky gut so in Africa transplant all you taking is one ecosystem from one person and you transfer a transferring that microbial ecosystem into someone else so for example if someone has taken antibiotics and aren't been taking doses of antibiotics have completely killed their microbiome or people who have a see different fraction so it's a it's a see different fraction is a massive gut inception and the only way to cure is to take massive doses of antibiotics when you do that you're literally throwing a nuclear bomb inside your gut and killing all these microbiome and and then you repopulate or repopulate definitely populate them through the fecal matter transplant it's very interesting is one of the person actually got a fecal matter transplant after see different fraction and suddenly his personality changed he became obese and depressed and it turns out that the microbiome it came from a person who was fat and depressed right so literally the symptoms got transferred from microbiome even I know somebody watching right now saying this is black magic it's witch doctor II stuff even I part of it I'm like oh God can't really be that straightforward he's very interesting one big any disease and google it for yourself and read the research paper so just type in Parkinson's and microbiome type in depression and microbiome type in autoimmune disease the microbiome type in cancer and microbiome type in diabetes and microbiome and you'll start to see the impact all the researches these are done he is another interesting one they had a diabetic person who's been taking metformin drug which is for diabetes metformin does not work on the human body it works on the microbiome okay right so it changes your gut microbiome and here is how we know it because they took that microbiome the person who's been taking metformin gave it to the mice who is diabetic just by transferring the microbiome it had the same impact as if the mice was taking metformin Wow right because it works on your microbiome as you know the gut microbiome is the root cause of all other diseases so when you fix you got microbiome you're fixing the cancer and other diseases are also impact at the same time but there's a depression focus ADHD all those diseases are basically inflammatory diseases we're really fastest talk so if I'm not mistaken your dad was just diagnosed recently with cancer yeah yeah so walk me through that like what are you doing how do you get aggressive about it I mean so honestly that was one of those things that makes me pause about life and I was thinking that you know Here I am talking about all the things that you could do simply by fixing your gut and as you know we started this company a year ago and we have learned so much about how human body works we are challenging the things that people did not know about human body because for the first time you're able to see the things that are going on inside your body and when he called me about two months ago and said he had a pancreatic cancer and all I could do was to say oh my god what if I had started this company two years ago or three years ago I would have been going to fix it and all I can do is really at this point I don't know what to do other than to see and hope that no one else has to suffer through that right he has to go through the chemotherapy right now and is going through the you know chemotherapy yeah but just with him two weeks ago and seeing him you know you know just not be himself losing constant weight his hair is gone and he's just shrinking and watching him just feels odd really feels on and you wash something you could fix I mean and so I saw this research on pancreatic cancer I called his oncologist and I say have you seen this research and he's oh they're so new and I say why can't you use this and he says it's not allowed and I'm thinking what could I mean I can I'm thinking I could just tell the doc hey this research is good do this what is the harm here but the doctor has ethical duty that he's not gonna implemented because it's not allowed it's not FDA approved so anyway my only hope is that someday and that day will be soon it will be our generation Tom that will one day absolutely make these chronic diseases simply a matter of choice and I'm absolutely convinced at this point and I am determined that I'll do whatever it takes so that no one ever have to suffer through any chronic diseases and and I know it is doable and I know we are finding every single day what causes these diseases and how we can modulate these diseases simply through diet and we're gonna look back at these movements five years ten years from now and we're going to realize that we were the first generation that wiped off the chronic diseases from the face of this earth and someday people will look at our generation is the one that used the exponential technologies to create abundance of energy created abundance of food and solved all of the global grand challenges that I've been facing our species the human species for generations and we're going to solve them because they're going to be people like you i and others listening to our podcast and I'm gonna say enough is enough you and I can do things and that is the beauty of the things I find is that it used to be the large companies the you know the robber barons and the heirs to create some the only one who had power to do something audacious and what's really amazing is this is the first time in the human history that individuals and a small group of people are capable of doing things that could only be done by super powers there could only be done by the large companies it doesn't require the lot of financial resources the cost of these things are coming down so fast just to do that think about it to do the human genome sequences cost billions of dollars now we can do it complete not just the DNA sequencing of our own body the DNA sequencing of every organism not just the DNA sequencing the RNA sequencing of everything that's happening inside our gut to trillions of these organisms tell people why it matters DNA versus RNA so DNA is like an alphabet it can write anything so you and I share 99.99% same DNA you at me and a tree shared the 90% same DNA right so DNA is simply it can express itself in any different way that's really an accurate number you in the tree 90% yeah Wow it's very interesting thing is if you look at the RNA so DNA converts into RNA after the epigenetic changes have been made so RNA tells you exactly what is happening not what could have happened so DNA tells you potentially everything that could happen and RNA tells you exactly what's happening so think of your RNA as an Instagram here is snapchat of your life so if you want to know your Instagram of your life between you poop test but it's very interesting I'll just tell you that in the last you know with the patient's tens of thousands of patients have gone through it some of the learnings that we have had actually have changed at least for every doctor how our human body functions for example everyone believes the hormones estrogen and testosterone are produced by the human body guess what we are finding that microbiome is actually producing the testosterone and estrogen imagine I mean one sentence I don't know that but we're seeing them produce if we see the transcripts or the microbiome producing these things right it's we are seeing them actually becoming the detoxification of toxins that we are taking because these guys have to survive for their own survival the microbiome starts to change and start to metabolize the toxins into non-toxic thing and that's the reason if you live in state China or you live in India there may be a lot of toxins there but people find because their microbiome had started to add just to detoxify these things and you and I go there we all get sick because I'm microbiome didn't know what to do with that right so we started to see so many things about how microbiome is not only communicating among themselves they're constantly do something called quorum sensing how many of us are there how many was of us there and when they start to see that the quantity is sufficient enough they start to behave very differently because they say okay now we are the boss here and our rule governs the man who has the gold has the golden rule right so they constantly are finding to see are they you know if you keep eating one type of food guess what's happening only some set of micro biomes are getting they grow into the quantity and they start to form the biofilm and sit now guys you are the boss dude this is so interesting and it's one of those things that I hope through the show we can really begin to give people the information that they're gonna need to start piecing this together because now having been on this journey for almost three years is going well it's been madness so it started with and and for anybody watching at home Devine knows certainly the thumbnail sketch of this and it's helped out tremendously with that but I'll walk through this the steps so she's always had a sensitive stomach yeah and one day and we just never really thought about it like if we went out to Vegas and cut loose she was gonna have an upset stomach and when I say upset stomach I mean so she would get enough so stomach we just knew that that was gonna be part of it she'd have cramps for a couple days and and then it would pass and that was it so didn't really think about a lot about it and she used to talk about like oh my intestines feel inflamed that didn't make sense to me so I was just kind of blew it off and then one day three years ago she was like I'm not feeling well and then later she calls me from somewhere else in the office and she was like no no I'm really not feeling well I need to go home and then she texts me and said I just projectile vomited everywhere I was like wow that's weird she has the stomach flu that really sucks and you know but then didn't go away and so the stomach flu turned into she just couldn't eat anything I like everything upset her and gave her massive cramps and she is not a complainer so when she starts complaining I know something's really wrong and our life whittled down to four ingredients literally four ingredients so she was eating basically three kinds of meat and salt and that was it she couldn't have vegetables nothing he was crazy we're getting every test you can imagine and nothing was helping and one doctor would say you have an immune deficiency problem and you need immunoglobulin transfusions and we were literally about to do that and I was like something's just not right about this but I didn't know enough about it so but I said let's not do that that seems scary let's go try to learn more about this and at that time at Quest we had some people in R&D that were dealing in probiotics and we were starting to talk about the microbiome and so we've started asking them questions and that wasn't solving the problem and so then we tried ketogenic sand that was the first thing that really helped and so that because that brought down the inflammation yeah so we were like okay huge win this is gonna be amazing and then it just stalled out there and that was when you said oh you should try volume we tried it and there it's been absolutely life-changing but it is still so big and complicated that part of what I'm hoping and this will probably be an ongoing series hopefully we'll get you back again is like people really understanding why I'm so obsessed with the changing of the metaphor and thinking about the microbiome first understanding how different her microbiome is from even mine and then what I really want to know is how do you repair it over time so think about it that you know that inflammation happens obviously is first number one thing is is to make sure you don't have a toxic microbiome that means your microbiome is is producing the healthiest stuff that your body needs not the toxins that is going into your body so just really think of you're saying is your microbiome healthy is your microbiome toxic like that's first part the second thing you can I want to put a fine point on that because I this is what made me think of it a second ago that notion of a quorum yeah so the fact that any one of them is looking to see if they're the bully yeah if they get to call the shots yeah and what happened with Lisa was bad bacteria God became the lead bacteria and that's that tipping point if the tipping point happens when your ecosystem goes out of balance it's not the individuals thing that good or bad so it's really not about as much of good bacteria bad Becker we all have the good and bad but what happens is they stay in check right and each others they all keep each other in check it is when you start to eat certain foods and these guys start to go and this aha now we're going to control everything else right and that's really when you start to have trouble other thing is where your epithelial cells the barrier the mucous lining gets thinner you start to get a leaky gut and then you have a chronic inflammation all the time the way you do that is you need to change the balance of ecosystem of the microorganism and you need to start repairing the lining of the gut and you repair the lining by sometime giving the right set of supplements and enzymes to repair the gut lining at the same time you start to give the prebiotic to feed the some of the guys so they can start to grow and Pro by to add some of the new stuff right and then you start to change the diet so you're starving the bad guy then you're starting to prop the good guys right you're feeding the things that need to be fed and you're adjusting to see not just the organisms you're starting to adjust their functions so you start to see how much of the butyrate you are producing and if you're not producing in a butyrate which is really good thing then you have to take some of the butyrate supplement until we can start to grow these guys you got who have a potential to promote to produce butyrate we need to cut down all the organisms and the food that are feeding the guys who produce these proxxon environments so for example when you go on a paleo diet or ketogenic diet when you're eating a lot of protein that actually does tremendous amount of harm after a certain part most of the protein should be digested in the small intestine in the upper side when you eat too much protein it cannot digest so it starts to go down you call and with all these microbes are there and they never seen the protein before guess what happens they start to feed the group of microbiome and they call them protein fermenters and these protein fermenters and nasty bastards they start to eat protein and they start to release ammonia they start to release all of these talks and stuff then it starts to hurt your gut lining right so when you are on some of these diets you are actually harming yourself same thing on a ketogenic diet when you go on a ketogenic diet and you fasting the microbes are saying okay you're not going to feed me you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna eat the gut lining so point is the all the things that are good at certain point of time they become bad then they essentially you continue with that and that is really the key is to understand that what is the right food at that point of time and you microbiome is changing but it really becomes a new ecosystem every three to four months right so it's like in a sense you throw travel in the water you get some ripples and then it comes back to normal but if you constantly keep shaking it you start together massive waves right and that's what I mean by that is that you know when you change your diet it starts to just a ripple and that's a ripple and then you cause when you start to go into completely and you died that see recommended by while then you are starting to see the swirl and it starts to get a new ecosystem gets created and now you have a new balance and if you don't come if you continue with the same thing get the balance that we just created becomes imbalance again because now these guys are taking over so what at a really high generic level and I know there is no universal diet and I totally get that yeah but like at a high level what our directional advice that you have for people of how to eat like cycling eating wide varieties I mean again this is exactly what caused all the problems we have because we want to simplify and tell people create your body like a black box and if you just keep feeding things into it somehow magic will happen but the fact is you can't treat like a black box you have to know what is going on if they're not producing the right set of nutrients you have to feed those guys what the nutrients your body needs so if you're not getting enough good stuff the vitamins and then butyrate short chain fatty-acids you got to feed them or you have to take that enzymes to essentially make up for it so you can't just sit here I'm eating healthy because I'm eating spinach I'm eating kale I'm eating avocado guess what that may be exactly what's wrong for you just like me you know my story right I thought I was eating healthy because I was trying to lose weight I was trying I was pre-diabetic and I always thought eating is spinach avocado oats cut down all the gluten cut down all the carbs cut down all the starch and guess what happened for the first few months I lost weight and I was my blood glucose was going down and I was happy I continued with that died guess what happened I got gained all the way back and my blood glucose is going back up again when I did my own tests it turns out I need to be eating 50% of my diet as a complex carbohydrate I had to cut down spinach avocado oats start eating more wheat cook them and start eating lot of the other food that I never eaten okay so everything your blood Sugar's in check my blood sugar is went down my doctors thinks that I must be on some drug that I'm not telling her she says keep doing whatever you doing cut it's working I used to take maxim which was killing me I cut down all the nexium and I thought you is gonna be so angry at me she said I'm so glad you're taking nexium because now you don't have that stomach acid problem and by the way you were any making your you know your iron was no it's our back to normal now so just keep doing what you're doing keep taking those drugs that I gave you what she didn't know is I stopped all of them and I think is very interesting thing is a lot of the food sensitivities go away because food sensitivities when you measure its you basically measuring the antibodies in the blood the reason you get antibodies in the blood is because the blood is seeing the stuff in the blood because your system leaky guys you got so if you have a leaky gut your immune system is gonna see these food in the thing it creates the antibodies and you think you're allergic to it yeah yeah that sounds super fun I'm looking at my wife right now who at one point because she they didn't know she had iki got yeah they were like essentially you're allergic to everything and she's not right once you fix the leaky gut said only six months later these antibodies died away and then so knows you're no longer allergic to them yes literally what happened to her yeah and you know to me that is the key is to understand that you know a why are people talking nowadays is because everyone wants to know about their microbiome other thing is really understanding the snapshot of what is that your microbiome doing are they actually working for you or they working against you so knowing your superfoods and you know in your kryptonite's what food is going to cause these guys to produce toxins and the stuff that is not going to be good for your body and what food is going to allow these guys to produce the nutrients our body needs so so what we do is we give you your super foods we give you your kryptonite and give you the foods you should be in eating more off and the food you should be minimizing and the food you should be avoiding and as I said it's really different for different people for me and my wife is completely opposite I should be avoiding spinach and oats and avocado she needs to be eating her super foods very interesting is that she and I are completely different food and you know and in fact now the new test we just added that are essentially giving even more information so now we are adding things like urine metabolites so we're able to see the organic acids in the amino acids being produced we are adding things like a blood transcriptomics and the idea is to be able to see the gene expression of everything that's happening inside the human body so you look at the host side which is us and our guest side so it's two transcriptomics which we'll call his two microbe at the microbiome there is two transcriptomics allows you to see how our guests are doing even though they are the Masters right and then a host side is our side so we look at the mitochondrial gene expression and then we look at all of the white blood cell gene expression that means we can see every single inflammation marker so we can see cytokines the interleukins we can see CRP all the inflammation that your body is having and all these things combined including by the way the food sensitivity test allows us to see do you have a leaky gut because if you're sensitive to a whole bunch of foods then you know you have a leaky gut if you're eating everything that's showing up in your arm IgG the food sensitivity then we know for sure you have a leaky gut right and as I said get your together because you have no idea what people can find out from it because just a tiny bit of or a stool we you can find out what places you have visited because we know the toxins that came from there we can find out things like what food you're eating how much of you are eating what drugs you're taking what supplements you may be taking what type of symptoms you may be having because all that information is right there because how much you exercise how much is the Sun thing yet Helen Astley says she's like are you really lean yeah that's do you exercise a lot yeah so she's like oh yeah this marker shows that this marker shows that whoa yeah so DC allows to tell us actually how much aerobic exercise you're getting Wow yeah very impressive dude I don't know if anybody told you but you've already won you're like super rich why are you working this hard oh my god so it's the you know ads you and I have talked about it in the past episodes that success is not about amount of money you have success is about how many lives you'd be able to improve and from that bar I'm just so far me so far to go you know we've barely started so to me I am dedicated to doing the things that matter and and a lot of people who have watched our previous episodes will know that I know I came from a very very poor background with no food to eat with absolutely nothing and to a large extent on I mean the society and the people in this country has given me so much love and so much success I owe it to them I mean this is my obligation to pay back my dad and the only way I know how to pay back my dad is to pay forward is by constantly finding ways that can make the lives better for billions of people on this planet today I'd focus on attacking the healthcare problem and making chronic disease optional I love the way you think dude all right before I ask my last question where can they find you online so I mean you can find me on Twitter you can find me on LinkedIn you can find me on Facebook and I've always given out my email is now my first name Naveen and a Vee n dot Jen my last name J AI n at gmail.com send it to me please if you have any questions anything just know I'm here to help you and I want to do everything I can to make this society a better place for our children and make our children essentially protect our planet awesome and and how can they sign up for volume if they want you tell them since you know that you know Indians cannot pronounce the word go to volume comm check it out how do you spell VI and I will say in fact I'll address that in a second in my outro I have very very strong feelings but for my last question what's one change that you want to see somebody make to improve their life becoming intellectually curious to me there is nothing will make this world a better place nothing will make you better human being than to be intellectually curious the day you become intellectually curious you have taken the first step towards improving yourself and the day you change yourself is the day you can change the world my only other advice is fall in love with yourself and I don't mean being self-obsessed you stop needing the approval from someone else the day you fall in love with yourself you can love the person around you you can love the world but if you hit yourself you're gonna hate the world so fall in love with yourself and share that love with everyone you meet and stay intellectually curious I don't get awesome Naveen thank you so much all right guys I'm telling you right now my life was changed by biome in no uncertain terms and quite frankly from my friendship with this man here and when I say that my gratitude knows no bounds if he asked me to sacrifice goats I would sacrifice goats we're at that stage it has been absolutely incredible what volume has been able to offer us in terms of information about Lisa's health it's absolutely incredible I'm not getting paid for this by the way this is truly because it had a massive impact on my life on Lisa's life and it took me from actually being scared that something would happen to her to believing that we're really on the road to recovery and it's been unlike anything I've ever seen in my life he is so passionate about making sure that the system grows and improves with time and that the more people that use the system the more people that it's able to help and it's absolutely incredible to see how rapidly it's growing and how we've been able to benefit from that so if you suffer from digestive issues of any kind I cannot strongly enough encourage you to go to viacom to sign up to give it a shot I think that it could possibly truly change your entire life it's that big it's that important alright guys hopefully this episode really helped you begin to understand the microbiome I think it is so important and I think Naveen has the metaphor that's really gonna change how people think about this and I don't think you can overstate how important that is alright if you haven't already be sure to subscribe huh and until next time my friends be legendary take care thank you guys so much for watching and being a part of this community if you haven't already be sure to subscribe you're going to get weekly videos on building a growth mindset cultivating grit and unlocking your full potential

Channel: Tom Bilyeu

Views: 193,903

Rating: 4.88766 out of 5

Keywords: Tom Bilyeu, Impact Theory, ImpactTheory, TomBilyeu, Inside Quest, InsideQuest, Tom Bilyou, Theory Impact, motivation, inspiration, naveen jain, viome, microbiome, chronic disease, health theory, gut health, inflammation, this is the root of all chronic disease, making illness optional, get healthy

Id: cKb7R5zFBpo

Length: 51min 32sec (3092 seconds)

Published: Thu Apr 26 2018