This is a Massive Upgrade! - Steam Deck OLED First Look

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That sounds to me like the TDP settings are more aggressive on the OLED. Bump it up a watt and you're back at parity. A moot point either way when battery life will be better regardless.

👍︎︎ 21 👤︎︎ u/Theswweet 📅︎︎ Nov 11 2023 🗫︎ replies

So basically, LCD runs better than OLED when matching TDP levels, but OLED's better battery allows you to up the wattage to make up for it and break even if not slightly perform better?

👍︎︎ 13 👤︎︎ u/Capable-Commercial96 📅︎︎ Nov 12 2023 🗫︎ replies

Seems like the OLED hasn't got the low wattage optimizations the original deck has, hopefully the OLED gets those optimizations in future patches.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/Death2RNGesus 📅︎︎ Nov 12 2023 🗫︎ replies

I googled TPD but couldn't find a clear answer. Anyone has a reference to what this means?

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/AllMaito 📅︎︎ Nov 12 2023 🗫︎ replies
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Hey guys, Taki here. Valve is back for  round two with the Steam Deck OLED model,   and this time, they went all out. This is going to   be a first-impression look at what is  easily the best handheld of the year now this time around I don't have a crazy long  story about how I got this this one was kind   of painless huge shout out to valve for sending  this my way they didn't need to do that but it   did simplify a lot of things because this is not  available where I live and I would have had to go   through the huge Rabbit Hole of trying to get a  scalped unit again so I am very grateful that I   don't need to do that also a huge shout out to  the nice people that I met in customs yesterday   that helped process this thing faster and to the  absolute Chad of a FedEx employee who ended up   handing this off to me at 11:30 last night that  dude was super nice and he went out of his way   to help me with this I even offered to give him  a free unit of any handheld that I've ever made   a video on and he didn't take me up on that  offer that dude needs a raise but with that   out of the way let's get into this so This Time  Around we have a new accent color for this case   they've gone with an orange Accent on the steam  deck logo and I think that's a pretty cool way   of differentiating a product that basically  looks the same this is similar to what we saw   with the first steam deck but I don't know if  we will also see this monochrome option on the   cheaper versions of this new OLED model if you  have a steam deck then you probably know that   these cases are really good as a free case that  just comes with the unit the new one is also good   but they did make some important improvements  to it I don't want to spend a whole lot of time   on this but I do want to go over some of the new  things with this case the first thing you'll see   is we still have that same sock that came with  the 512 GB steam deck the only difference this   time around is that they didn't add any color to  this tag if you bought a 512 gigb steam deck then   you'll know that that came with blue accents on  the case and on the sock these aren't necessary   by any stretch of the imagination but I do like  them I only have one out of all of the steam Decks   that I own but I did go with a 3D printed option  for my other decks I'll have to check if this new   charger can fit in those older 3D printed cases  but we do have a new one and they did make some   important improvements in it first thing that  you'll see right off the bat is we now have a   steam deck logo on the charger itself and this  is actually pretty cool I have a lot of chargers   that look very similar to the steam deck one  without any branding on it so this is really   nice to have as a quick visual cue that this is  meant for the steam deck beyond that the biggest   change is in the cord length the new cable is  significantly longer than the old one and this   is something that I didn't know that I wanted  until I started seeing longer cables in other   PC handhelds when it comes to the steamex that  I had before today I would primarily use third   party Chargers just because the cable was longer  and now I don't need to do that because this one   is way longer than the original one I typically  will only use the charger for the original steam   deck when I take it traveling inside the house  I end up using a charger that has a longer cable   so that way I don't have to feel so Tethered to  an outlet this new charger will allow me to do   that but in terms of specifications this is the  same charger as the original but this case has   one final party trick and we can see it after we  open it up so with the case fully open we can see   that it looks very similar to the original one  the main difference being that this one has a   different material on the inside if I take out my  64 GB steam deck case that one looks very similar   to this new one but the new thing that we can  do with this is actually take out this inner   shell if we look on the bottom half of this you  can see that there is a separation here this is   held together with velcro and if you just pull  on this you will separate the inner shell from   the outer shell that leaves us with a hard shell  case that you could still use with a steam deck   this one doesn't have any zippers but it does have  that velcro latch the inner shell is a nice soft   case that is much thinner than the full case  and this is going to work a lot better if you   want to slide this into a bag that already has  padding for protection it's not going to give   you a whole lot of protection on its own but it  is a nice option to have if you have a backpack   that already has padding this is a pretty cool  quality of life Improvement to see and that leaves   us with the smallest change of this unboxing  experience the new white microfiber cloth now now let's go over the specs The Steam Deck OLED comes with a die  shrink of the original Steam Deck APU,   but now it is at 6nm. This should give clear  benefits to heat, and power consumption assuming   there are no other changes to available clock  frequencies. Our RAM is still 16GB of LPDDR5,   but they have bumped the onboard RAM  up to 6400. The highest-end Deck now   comes with 1TB of NVMe storage, and  that is the version that I have. This is a much better top tier option than  the older 512GB option. We also have a bigger   screen than we did before. We now have a  7.4” panel with the same 800p resolution,   but it is an HDR OLED panel with a max  refresh rate of 90Hz. Our battery also   got a decent bump up to 50Wh, and that  is going to significantly increase our   minimum battery life. Connectivity got a  welcome upgrade to Wi-Fi 6E for wireless   networking, and we also got a nice bump up  to Bluetooth 5.3 for better audio support. When it comes to pricing, the entire  stack has changed slightly. I am going   to focus only on the OLED models, so I won’t  be talking about the updated pricing for   the normal LCD version. Our base OLED SKU  comes with the old max available storage,   and that is going to set you back $549. If you  think about it, you now have the ability to buy   a huge upgrade for less money than people  bought a regular 512GB Deck. That’s SKU is   a great option. Up from there, you have the  high-end version with a few extras at $649.   That’s the version that I have. They have a  limited edition available in only two regions,   and that one goes for $30 more and  it comes with a transparent shell. in this first section I want to talk all about the  improvements and changes that they've made to the   hardware and the software of the steam deck OLED  anything that's like a significant change we'll   probably do a dedicated section just on it to  evaluate it further the first and the biggest   change is the new screen it is an OLED screen but  even Beyond just being an OLED screen there are   a lot of things that are better with this screen  given that's it's an OLED panel it's going to have   extremely dark blacks so if you're going to play  anything that's like a darker game it's going to   look amazing on this we also have a higher maximum  brightness this time around on the original deck   I was able to measure around 540 knits of peak  brightness on this model we can get 1,000 nits   of peak brightness but that's only in HDR games  and yes this is an HDR capable handheld that is   not that common in non HDR content you're going  to be limited to 600 nits of peak brightness and   I'm not anticipating that that's going to be  a noticeable Improvement or a change over the   stock steam deck that being said it should easily  be possible to see 1,000 nits of peak brightness   so the resolution is the same but the screen  is bigger with smaller bezels on the top and   the bottom we have a higher maximum brightness  especially with the new addition of HDR mode but   we also have Rich colors that completely fill out  the srgb color space this was one of my biggest   gripes with the original steam deck content  just didn't look as good as it did on other   handhelds and that pushed me to want to play on  those other handhelds the steam deck has always   been either in the top position or in the second  position of the best handhelds that I've ever   used and it never had the chance of losing that  position due to having lower performance than   newer handhelds that are out there it would lose  that spot because the content just looked better   on those other devices but that is not the case  anymore this screen looks amazing but we'll talk   more about the screen later on our next biggest  change is in the cooling system and this can be   either the fan or the heat sink that they're using  but it also ties into the more efficient processor   that we have so far in the brief testing that I've  done I am noticing that this thing is performing a   bit better than the stock steam deck it also has  the benefit of having that new vent smell for me   charging speed was never an issue on the original  steam deck but they've also improved that and it   is a noticeable Improvement especially when you  take into account that this battery is going to   go a lot further than it would would before I'll  need a bit more time to do some full battery tests   but just based on what I saw thus far this thing  charges super fast and the final Improvement that   I was able to see is in Wireless functionality  the new Wi-Fi support is amazing as is the updated   Bluetooth spec on the Wi-Fi side that's going  to mean much faster download speeds and lower   latency in online games and on the Bluetooth  side that's going to mean better compatibility   and lower latency with newer Hardware both  on the audio side and for controllers when   it comes to the remaining physical changes that  we can see without opening up the device there's   not a whole lot left the screen printing on all  of the face buttons is a bit darker than it was   before and they've also changed the color on  the base of the analog stick the top of the   analog stick also changed and this can kind of  be seen as an improvement I never really had any   problems with the original stick but it was easy  for this to get dirty and a bit difficult to clean   it at times so I always ended up just using  thumb stick caps the top of the new stick is   now a grippy plastic that should be way easier  to clean and better to maintain it also sits a   bit recessed from the rim and I found that that  also helps with grip a bit and that just leaves   us with this final change which is the new orange  power button and again like the case I think this   is a cool way to differentiate a new product  that basically looks the same as the original in this section I want to talk all about gameplay  performance and benchmarks and because we only   have a die shrink with this new device we  shouldn't expect to get better performance than   the original steam deck unless those situations  can take it advantage of the faster Ram that we   have and those are going to be edge cases so if  we just run a benchmark on these they should be   within a percent or two of each other now other  people have already looked at benchmarks of the   new steam deck and I plan to do that myself in the  future but what I want to do now is try to find   out if there's any instance where the new deck  is worse than the old one before we do that let's   quickly talk about the onscreen display we can see  in this example right here running Resident Evil   3 on both of these devices the original steam  Deck shows that it's using 1 to two Watts more   power than the OLED deck and both of these are  at Max brightness so this would be 540 is nits on   the original deck and 600 nits on the OLED one if  their data is accurate now one of the things that   I need to point out is when we're looking at that  charge drain we need to also take into account   that the battery sizes are different between these  two devices charge drain as you see here is just   a snapshot and it's not always that accurate  if this battery was lower let's say like 20%   or so that charge drain would increase but you're  not using more power it's just that the reading   is not that accurate throughout the entire scale  different devices are more accurate at different   positions in the charge drain scale but you have  to do some tests to find out where that point   is on the original steam deck you got the best  accuracy with a spot check at around 50% battery   ideally we would want this battery capacity to  be equal to the old one when we were doing that   measurement but I have no doubt in my mind beyond  the die shrink that the screen probably also uses   a lot more power than the new OLED one because  there are pixels that just don't even need to   be turned on in this scene but anyway this is  resid Evil 3 and what I want to do is start   looking at the TDP scale and how it affects the  FPS that we have inside this menu you can see I   have both devices set to 6 wat TDP and that allows  us to get 60 FPS on both of the units if we focus   in on the GPU and CPU frequencies we can see that  those are similar between both devices but there   is some fluctuation on the OLED one if we bump up  to 7 watt TDP we see that the same clocks between   both units what happens when we go down let's go  down to 5 watt TDP on the original deck at 5 watt   TDP in this setting we're getting between 48 and  50 FPS on the OLED steam deck in this setting with   all of the same game settings for some reason  we're getting less FPS and we can see that Gap   persist even if we go down to 4 watt TDP on both  devices so I don't know if this is a driver issue   with this game but this is not something that  I was expecting to see and just so there's no   questions these are both using the same settings I  don't know if I'll see this in other games because   I'm doing this as I'm saying it right now but even  if we do see this in another game I don't think it   really matters if at the end of the day we're  still using less power at that TDP on the OLED   steam deck it just means that you're going to have  to bump up to the next highest level to be able to   match the performance that you would get on the  original deck at these very low TDP levels but   let's try to see if we can find another instance  of this but just as another point of reference   here's de HD on the top versus the original steam  deck and both of these are also at 800p with   the same game settings and you can see the FPS  readings are pretty much similar between the two   of them plus or minus a couple FPS here's another  game for this one we need 7 watt TDP to be able to   play it at 60 FPS in this setting we can see at  that TDP our GPU clock is the same or about the   same on both devices they fluctuate a bit the CPU  clock see a bit of fluctuation on both of these   with the OLED 1 sitting at the minimum clock for  this TDP a bit more often than the original one   but they're largely the same now let's go down  from 7 wat TDP to see what happens so at 6 wat   TDP on the original deck we are at 54 55 FPS and  on the OLED one we dropped to around 48 fps if we   go down to 5 watt TDP on the OLED deck we are  sitting at around 33 FPS and on the original   steam deck for some reason we are still around  40ish FPS again we're using less power to do   this on the OLED deck even if we accounted for the  differences in their battery size so I don't think   this matters but it is interesting nevertheless if  we go down to 3w TDP on both of these our FPS is   basically the same good thing is this doesn't seem  to be uniform across the board here with freedom   planet we have both of these running at 3 watt TDP  and the FPS is locked to a solid 60 FPS where it   fluctuates a bit on the original it can go down to  58 as you can see with these spikes right here and   these seem to be uni form but that does not happen  on this if we move over to Horizon zero Dawn   neither of these can run this game at 15 wat TDP  with the settings that I'm using in this area the   OLED steam deck is on the bottom and the original  one is on the top and I believe with this game we   seem to be running a bit better on the OLED model  versus the original the FPS is fluctuating a lot   on both of them but we seem to hit 60 FPS a lot  more on the OLED model than we do on the original   but let's see how both of these behave when we  go under 15 wat TDP if we go down even further   to 6 watt TDP that's when we seem to get more  performance on the original deck versus the OLED   one but this could be due to some things that are  on screen right now this isn't an exact copy of   what is being rendered on both devices like it was  for the other two games Skyrim is the final game   that I want to look at in this way again both of  these are using the exact same game settings and   we're running both of them at 8w TDP at this TDP  we are able to run both of these games at 60 FPS   no problem let's go down to 7 watt if we bump down  to 7 watt TDP both of these are pretty similar but   the FPS is a bit higher on the original deck at 6  watt TDP there is a much bigger gap between both   of these and there are some interesting things  that are happening if we look at the GPU clock   the frequency is a bit higher on the original deck  than it is on the new one when it comes to the CPU   frequencies those are almost the same but we're  locked at 1,399 MHz on the OLED deck whereas the   that seems to fluctuate quite a bit on the old one  and even when we're in this idle animation here   where the camera is panning around you can see  that the FPS is definitely better on the original   deck but again the power consumption is higher on  the original deck so if we balanced based on power   consumption the OLED deck would definitely beat  out the original one hands down and even if we   take this down even further to 5 watt we can still  see that there is a sizable gap between both of   these units so yeah that's an interesting takeaway  from this I don't think it really matters because   at the end of the day the OLED deck is using less  power but it is interesting to see that there are   some instances where the original one is getting  better performance with the older processor I have   three original steam decks and they all basically  are around the same that you can see in any of the   testing that I did and I did switch between a few  while I was making this section and so far from   my sample size of one there are some instances  where the original deck outperforms the newer   one but it does so by consuming more power so it  doesn't really matter at the the end of the day In this section, I want to talk about the  thermal performance of the Steam Deck OLED. Now,   I haven’t had a ton of time with this  device, but I don’t expect things to   change from my initial impressions. There are a  few aspects of thermals that I want to touch on. The first thing that I want to say is that  this fan makes less noise than any of my   other Steam Decks. I noticed this right  away. On the top end of the TDP scale,   it’s not as quiet as Ally for example, but  I think there is some room for improvement   with external tools like the fantastic  plugin. I don’t have that installed on this,   but I think it is the first time when  I could see myself using it on a Deck. I am using the updated fan curve on this,  and it does a great job of keeping this   thing super quiet at like 8W TDP or lower.  Above that, it seems to be over-tuned a bit,   and I say that because this Deck  runs cooler than a normal one. I’ve tried almost every cooling mod there is for  the normal Deck, and I have never been able to   get the thermal experience that I am getting  here. If I were to make this fan operate at   a lower RPM to match the thermal performance of  the original Deck at let’s say 15W TDP, it would   be even quieter than it is right now. That is  something that I want to explore going forward. Again, this is a sample size of one, but  I have found that this fan operates at a   frequency that doesn’t bother me or that I can’t  easily notice. I never had the whiny Deck fan,   but I do have other fans that make a  high-pitched noise at even low RPMs,   and I’m not hearing it with this one. Don’t  get me wrong, the thing is pushing air at the   higher end of the TDP scale, but the sound  that it is making is not annoying. In fact,   there were times while I was filming  this video when the ambient noise of the   room that I was in overpowered the fan  with the volume set to 0. That’s nuts. So beyond the fan noise, or lack thereof,  this device also feels cooler to the touch   at the max TDP. The original Deck never  felt that warm to me when I would game   on it because of how far my hands are from  the heat, but I could still feel the back   getting warmer to the touch when I pushed  it full throttle. I don’t have that here. In the background, I have  Cyber Punk 2077 running, and   I had this propped up like it would be if I were  gaming on it. I want to take out my thermal camera   so we can see the temps on the back shell, the  temps of the screen, and the temps near the vent. Let's take a look at the temps. Again, this is  at 15W TDP. If we look at the controller area,   that is at 32C, which is below  skin temp. It doesn’t even pick   up from here, until you get to the border  of the screen. At that point, we are at 42C,   which again isn’t bad. In the center, we  go up to 45C, but even that isn’t bad. The other end of the device drops down  a bit. So if we just take into account   that this is with max brightness  and we have temps like this,   this is very good. I would anticipate that  this would be a bit warmer with HDR content. On the vent, we have a hotspot of around 60C,   with a range of 50-60 in this area.  This is while the CPU is reporting 75C. If we look at the back, this area  here would usually be where you   would be able to feel some heat, but it  feels way better to the touch than it   ever was with the normal Steam Deck.  This is nuts for it feel this good. I’m very impressed. This area right here is  usually a big hotspot, but now your hear is over   to the middle where your hands will never touch.  That’s amazing, and it’s a huge improvement. This is the OG Steam Deck, and you can see that   the edge of the screen is super  toasty on this at around 50C. Near the vent, we have a hotspot  of 70C, and this is with the CPU   reporting temps of 85C. This 10C gap  seems to be common from my tests. And if we go to the back, you can see  that not only is this fan area warmer,   but that heat extends out to  the processor area. That’s 50C,   and your hands can come in contact  with this area while you are gaming So if we just focus on this thermal imaging,   it’s easy to see that the OLED Deck  is an entirely different beast. but the biggest thing that we haven't talked about  yet is the single biggest reason to even consider   buying this in the first place when I originally  did the outline for this video I was planning to   cover a lot of content on the screen but I've  decided that it's probably better just to do   a deep dive on the screen itself in a separate  video or in a video that covers the screen in   other topics so I will keep this centered just  on my Impressions and my impressions are that   this is an amazing screen there are many great  aspects about this beyond the fact that it's an   OLED screen I love that this is a 90 HZ panel  because that's going to open up a lot of doors   to us beyond what we could do with the stock  steam deck on the normal steam deck we could   adjust the refresh rate of the panel from 40 H  Herz to 60 HZ and you know that 40 HZ became the   deao option for demanding titles because it gave  you the ability to have a smoother experience with   less power consumption but we've also had a lot  of demanding PC games that can't run at a solid   40 FPS but oddly enough those titles usually do  run at 35 FPS the unfortunate thing about those   games is we didn't have a good option to pick for  the refresh rate of our panel that would give us   a smooth frame time experience now we do but yeah  I'm planning to do a deep dive just on the screen   because there's a lot of information to cover here  and there are a lot of things that I would like   to know as a consumer if I was thinking about  upgrading to this or purchasing my very first   steam deck I know there are a lot of people out  there that are wondering if they should upgrade   to this new version if they already have a steam  deck or if they don't even have one at all I'm   going to speak about my situation and maybe some  of the things that I say here will resonate with   yours I currently have three steam decks and now  that I've experienced this new version I don't   think I'll use any of them anymore if I do use any  of them it'll probably only be the one that is set   up for emulation there is no other reason for me  to use the normal steam deck now that I have this   one it is much better than the original model in  every way that I care about the most the biggest   of which is the screen I care a lot about the  visual experience on my gaming handhelds and the   steam deck was lacking in that department versus  a lot lot of other handhelds that came out after   it with this new screen the steam deck stands out  alone but it's at the top this is way better than   other handhelds that are on the market especially  when you consider the price that this goes for I   do just want to point out that if you do have a  steam deck there's no reason from a performance   standpoint to upgrade to this since the experience  is going to be the same but if you care a lot   about thermals and the visual experience of the  device this is the definitive version of the steam   deck whether or not it's worth going through the  effort of trying to sell the deck that you have   now to finance this one or if you just want to  buy two of them at the same time that's really up   for you to decide I will just leave you with this  anecdote for a long time I've had the belief that   if a company could manage to get their hands on a  decently sized OLED screen then that would allow   the hardware to far outlive the usefulness of the  processor that it uses if we look at the processor   that this has and that the original steam deck has  they are outclassed by the newer AMD processors   that are out there on the high end on the very  low end they can be matched to some extent by   ryen 7,000 but this still has a place where it  exceeds over other options that you can get that   won't be the case forever if ryzen 8000 isn't  able to surpass this processor or the original   steam deck processor at every TDP level then that  is a real shame but even if that happens or we get   to the point where there are other apus that are  available in the steam deck 2 or other competing   handhelds at cheaper prices or the same price  as this one this device will never stop being   relevant let's say for example 3 years from now  there's a very popular PC title that isn't even   able to run at 20 FPS on this Hardware with all of  the future FSR tricks that are available well you   can just stream that game to this device and with  this screen and the controls that we have in the   amazing audio system this is the best streaming  experience that you can get from any device that's   on the market right now but that added quality  does come at a cost this time around you need   to buy at least the mid-tier option if you want to  get this new screen this new processor and all of   the other improvements I believe this Hardware  is worth that but I'll have some more videos   delving into this deeper if you're on the fence  if you enjoyed this video and you want to see   another take a look at the video that I did on the  Lenovo Legion Go Happy gaming everyone Taki out
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