The Truth of It | Truth, Lies, Harm & Hate Speech & Christianity | Ep. 70

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Thank you. [Applause]   Good evening everybody. I must say it's an  absolute delight to be here. It's a delight to   see such an incredibly full room. When we launched  these events we had no idea what we were getting   ourselves in for. I think the first venue for  Brisbane that was booked had a capacity of 300   and I think we had about 500 people signed up  in one day, so, we have been hitting capacity   time and again. But I raised that because  particularly here on the Sunshine Coast,   one thing that we have seen is that, in  terms of a population to audience ratio,   I think you guys are well and truly knocking  it out of the park. So, congratulations!   And with that in mind, this jacket  used to fit me, I'm sorry about that,   that's what happens when you're on the road, too  many chocolate bars. With that in mind, I'm Martyn   Iles and this is ‘The Truth of It’ and tonight  I want to talk to you firstly about truth, lies,   harm and hate speech and I want to show  you how these things are connected and   first and foremost to explain, I want to  start with this notion of "cancel culture".   This is something that comes up more and more, the  list of cancel culture examples continues to rise   and continues to expand and a recent one caught  my eye because it was an unlikely candidate.   It was Richard Dawkins the famous atheist and  Richard Dawkins tweeted something and this is   what he tweeted. In 2015 he says, Rachel Dolezal  a white chapter president of NAACP, which is the   National Association for the Advancement  of Colored People - and she was supposed   to be black of course, but she wasn't - she was  vilified for identifying as black, says Richard   Dawkins. Then he says, some men choose to identify  as women and some women choose to identify as men.   You will be vilified if you deny that  they literally are what they claim to be.   Discuss. And for his efforts, Mr Dawkins was  stripped of his humanist of the year prize   which was issued in 1996 by the American Humanist  Association and his situation adds to the likes of   JK Rowling, Germaine Greer, unlikely candidates  to be cancelled. But there are far more serious   cases and many of us know about them. I started  to encounter this, first, of course, through my   work with the Human Rights Law Alliance which is  the law firm that takes up religious freedom and   free speech matters on behalf of the Australian  Christian Lobby and there's so many cases. At the   moment, we're working on the story of a doctor  from Sydney who lost an accreditation with a   professional body and was threatened with the  loss of her academic status at a major university   because she gave a talk, in her area  of expertise, which is human sexuality,   with a Christian foundation. Or, HRLA is currently  working with a GP from - HRLA's the Human Rights   Law Alliance - working with a GP from Melbourne  who was investigated by the Medical Board without   his knowledge on 14 years of his conservative  opinions that he had posted on the internet   about things like abortion and transgenderism  and marriage and all this kind of stuff and then   they called him up and they said that his medical  licence had been suspended because he was not safe   for his patients, despite having no complaints  against him from a patient or a colleague.   One of the first clients that called me when I  was in that role was the general manager of a   web design agency and he had been fired almost on  the spot because he had said at a staff meeting   that he disagreed with the content of the  Safe Schools Coalition program that was then   running in Victorian schools because he had been  challenged for his opinion by a staff member. Or   at the moment, HRLA is working with a couple from  Perth - Byron and Keira. Byron and Keira have been   excluded from the foster parenting system on the  basis of the faith that they uphold in their home.   They failed the assessment criteria of the agency  which was creating a safe environment for children   because of their religious beliefs. Or there's  a story that I was involved with as well of   a student who prayed for a friend of his, at  university, with her permission, a friend because   she had divulged to him that she was struggling  with some mental health concerns. He prayed for   her, with her permission, she thought better of  it afterwards, reported him to the university   and he was suspended amongst various other very  serious sanctions that were taken against him.   Or there is the very obvious example - and I  could keep you by the way with story after story,   after story, this evening, I’m not gonna do  that, don't worry, we're gonna say something   else - but there is the obvious example,  the one that's very close to my experience,   close to our experience, as well as Australians  and that, is Israel Folau. His Instagram post was   characterised by the media as homophobic and he  lost his ability to earn a living in Australia.   Now, that is fairly comprehensive cancelling   and I mention Izzy in this context because  it's a very clear example of something.   Notice the justification for the actions that were  taken against him and you probably heard this in   the media coverage. You hear what Peter V’landys  said just recently, he said, he's wasting his time   trying to come back to the NRL because  he has repeatedly failed to acknowledge   the harm that his comments caused. What  he did, it was said time and again,   was harmful. The narrative is  that the graphic was harmful,   the graphic is a cause of mental anguish  and vulnerable people and it will cause   suicide. That is a very, very powerful way to  make people shut up. It's a very compelling   thing. Nobody wants to be responsible for that  kind of harm. This was also the justification   given for stripping Richard Dawkins of his prize.  He was, it said, attacking marginalised groups   under the guise of scientific discourse and  his comments were harmful. You show me a dozen   examples of cancel culture, including all the  ones I just talked about, and I will show you a   justification for what happened that is based in  the harm narrative. In those legal cases, one of   the things consistently raised is the notion that  these people were unsafe. Now if you're unsafe it   means you're imminently going to cause harm to  somebody if someone's unsafe in your presence.   Like the home of the foster parents was unsafe,  the general manager that got fired he was told   that he'd made an unsafe workplace, the doctor  who was investigated, he was told that he was   not a safe pair of hands to be dealing with his  patients. Imminently at risk of causing harm.   You know, this marks a change. It used to be  that something called free speech was the norm   and the way that played out, of course,  was that speech was fought with speech.   For example, you look at Israel Folau,  out what could have happened? Well there's   really two answers, he posts what he posts,  and to be honest, I mean, we don't usually   worry too much about what footballers are saying  about theology. It's not it's not really something   the media bang on about very often but for some  reason, this was made into the huge thing that it   really ought not to have been. I mean, social  media, so what, it's what people are doing,   he's got his followers they follow him  if they want to, move on with your life.   And there's one or two things that they could  have done if they wanted to take this further.   Rugby Australia could have put out a statement  to distance themselves from what Folau did   and say, he's wrong, we hate what he said, this  is terrible, this does not represent Rugby.   That would be fighting speech with speech,  they could have said whatever they wanted.   Or, there's the other side of the coin which is  actually, no, you could fire him and ban him for   life. You could fight speech with more devastating  weapons than speech and that is what we are seeing   more and more often. And do you know, we often  hear the narrative, and the ABC tweeted this the   other day, that Israel Folau was discriminating  against people. I want to make a really important   distinction, whenever you hear that speaking  is not discriminating, speaking is speaking.   Discrimination has a meaning, it is causing  someone some detriment on the basis of a   protected attribute which is what they did  to him. They fired him and locked him out,   on the basis of what? His expressed  religious beliefs. So they discriminated.   But here's the interesting thing, what  they did, apparently, is justified.   It is justified in every case of cancel  culture and this legal warfare that's going on,   it's justified to prevent harm. And this is  a change because we all know the old saying,   "sticks and stones may break my bones but words  will never hurt me". There was a number of   times I'd go to my parents with some awful  thing that someone had said to me as a kid   and mum would just say to me well, sticks and  stones may break your bones, in other words,   hey son, you're going to go through life and hear  a lot of things that you don't like. You're going   to hear a lot of words that are not very nice and  you're going to have to learn to deal with it now,   otherwise, you're not going to cope. Now, if  there is one idea that we have done away with,   more than just about any other, over the  last twenty odd years, it's got to be that   one. Words will never harm me? You've got  to be joking. Words are the ultimate harm,   words must be cancelled, ideas must be regulated,  this is where we're going. The concept of harm   has been expanded. It didn't use to include  simple comments, simple speech, simple statements   but it has been expanded and so now it is ever  more in danger of restricting liberty, in fact,   it is. And it's been expanded to  include words that could have an effect   of possibly preventing someone from feeling  happy about themselves. Or any idea that could   question somebody's self-expression. This  is what happens when we turn self into God.   Self must have its own little  anti-blasphemy measures.   So you can't confront, or question, or  harm my sense of self, for it is sacred.   I often say it used to be the case, in Western  societies, that we did have blasphemy laws - you   couldn't insult God - they've been done away  with and I’m not saying whether or not they   should come back, but what have we done instead?  I think we've reinvented the blasphemy law,   we call it a vilification law and we say  you can't offend people because people's   sense of their own selves is sacred. But, you  will know, it's the self-expression of some   and not others and we're going to get back to that  in just a moment. And I want to make this point,   this is not just a cancel culture sideshow, this  is something that is changing and shaping culture   and it's creeping more and more into our  institutions, our legislation, our parliament   and all this kind of thing. For example, it  affects our laws and politics more and more,   i.e. Victoria, recently, passed this  so-called ‘Change and Suppression Bill’   and what the result is regardless of the PR spin  the government wants to put on this, the result   is, that a conversation which articulates  a Christian view of sexuality and gender   whether by a pastor, a parent, a doctor, a  person in the street, it is now legally risky.   It doesn't matter whether it's being taught  in the home, from a parent to a child,   it doesn't matter whether it's being expounded  in the pulpit by a pastor or a faith leader,   it doesn't even matter whether it's being  practised in the office of a medical practitioner   who is seeking the patient's best interests, it  is legally fraught. The legislation in question,   specifically lists prayer, as an  example of a potentially criminal act   and the sanctions imposed by the legislation  are up to 10 years in jail and a $250 000 fine.   Now this is affecting our laws,  as you can see, and the people who   push for that law, in the report that they wrote  to the Victorian government, they were very clear,   they said well you know, it's not just  conversion therapy that we're trying to   do away with because of course conversion - can I  just say this, conversion therapy isn't happening,   no one's getting electric shocked in this  country, no one's going to anti-gay boot camp,   no one's getting revulsion therapies,  no one. All this awful, awful stuff is   condemned to the dustbin of history. It  has been for years and years and years.   So that's not what they're going after and they  said it in their report, it was written by the   Latrobe University and the Human Rights Law Centre  and they said, no, we must address the ideas   that lie behind harmful conversion practices.  Now, what do you suppose those ideas might be?   I think they've got a name, I think it might be  Christianity because Christianity is the religion   of conversion. And no, it's not conversion  therapy, those two words don't belong together.   Therapy is what we do to each other,  conversion's an act of God - completely   different. That's their word, not ours but God  does convert people, He does change people,   He does give people new life and He  transforms us all including our desires,   including our desires. That's the Christian  testimony, that is what these laws are targeting.   Let's bring this home to Queensland. Victoria's  done something else, which is now coming   to Queensland, which is they have revised  what they call their anti-vilification laws   and these statutes always have names that makes  it you know, it's like are you seriously defending   vilification? Are you seriously defending  conversion therapy? No, of course not!   That's not what this is about, the  devil's in the detail. And in Victoria,   they're trying to change their vilification  laws, to change it from saying that that conduct   which incites hatred, ridicule,  contempt, revulsion or disgust   is unlawful, okay. They're changing  it to, conduct, which is likely to,   incite hatred, ridicule, contempt, revulsion or  disgust and who gets to decide what's likely?   Do you know, here's a really interesting  point, when it comes to these laws usually,   usually you will find that, if you go  to court for some matter and you're   up for some criminal or civil liability, usually  they have to prove that you did the thing,   obviously, then usually they have to prove  that you caused harm. They have to say,   well here's the harm that was done, here's the  measure of the harm and here is the connection   between what the person did and the harm that  was caused. It's very unusual not to have those   features in a legal case and these laws are  written so that you no longer need any causal link   and you no longer even need any harm at all. It  simply must be deemed that what you said or did   might have caused some kind of harm, somewhere,  somehow to someone whether or not it actually   did or didn't happen and whether or not  it can be proved or demonstrated at all.   In other words, the opinion is legally  sanctioned before it's out of your mouth   because they will say well it could have, it  might have, it probably did, maybe should have,   oh it's changing culture, it's hurting people.  These laws don't bear any of the hallmarks   that laws usually bear and this is why you get  things like Lyle Shelton - my old boss - he's   currently before one of these tribunals because  of one of these laws because he blogged about drag   queen storytime. Or you get Katrina Tait, who's  a mother from Brisbane and she shared a petition   against drag queen storytime in the Brisbane City  Council Library - really didn't do anything other   than that - and of course, she got a letter from  one of these tribunals telling her that she was   going to be in trouble and the person who lodged  the complaint did all sorts of terrible things,   exposed her business and all sorts  of stuff like that on the internet,   very nasty stuff. That's why a young  man, a business owner from Perth, Jason,   he had to go to one of these tribunals,  not because he denied anyone service, he's   a photographer but because he just sat down and  explained to somebody as a matter of witnessing,   a client of his, his Christian beliefs. And they  tried to sue him at one of these tribunals because   he had put some condition on his services which  was that she had to listen to him say this stuff.   You see how this is being weaponised. The idea  is sanctioned before it's out of your mouth   and I could keep you for ages with stories but  I won't. What I want to actually do, is address   a really important question and it's this: do  Christian ideas and speech, in fact, cause harm?   Because that is the argument that is  central to all of this cancel culture stuff.   That is the argument that is central to  all the law reform stuff that's going on   in the areas that I have described this  evening. Liberal freedoms are ignored,   they're diminished, they're overturned because  harm, harm. Are the things I say harmful?   Because I kind of think that matters to me if they  are harmful because I’m not here to harm people.   Are the beliefs that I stand for, harmful? Are  the beliefs that we all stand for harmful? And I   want to answer this question in two ways, number  one, from research, number two, from Scripture.   From research, let me quickly summarise and  then point you to a resource where you can get   more detail. First of all, this is what the  research does not say, it does not say that   Christian speech and ideas harm minorities,  there is no such decent research out there.   There's no evidence that Christian speech causes,  for example, LGBT suicides. However, it does say a   few things. There is research which has done this,  several studies, particularly one out of New York,   which shows - they actually studied a number  of same-sex attracted people in New York in   this particular study, quite a large number  and they tracked those that went to Church,   particularly non-affirming Churches those that  taught traditional views about sexuality and   marriage and they tracked those  who didn't go to such Churches.   And this was not run by Christians or  anything, this is in a peer-reviewed journal   and they said at the end of that study,  that they found that those who went to the   traditional Churches had what they called higher  rates of internalised homophobia. In other words,   they weren't so pleased about the fact that  they experienced same-sex attraction. But,   the study concluded, there was no actual impact,  negative impact, on their overall mental health.   Or indeed, there's another thing that we know  and I'm focussing on the connection between   Christian ideas and LGBT harm because that's where  the research is and it's a cardinal example of   what people claim, especially with Israel Folau.  The second thing known to research is the Dutch   paradox. Now, that means, basically, that if  these ideas that are in culture and that are   spoken by Christians and that are embedded in  laws are harmful to this minority community,   then you will find that, in countries that  are the most affirming, in countries that   are the most accepting, in countries that  have the most rights for LGBT individuals,   you will find a commensurate improvement in  the mental health condition of that population.   The Dutch paradox is a term that researchers have  used for the reality that, that is not the case.   You do not find that in the Netherlands which is  the most LGBT affirming country on the face of the   planet. You know, anyone who goes on a holiday to  Amsterdam is immediately under question. I mean,   we know it's all libertine, it's all cast off  the shackles, it's all... that's the Netherlands.   It's the same in Sweden, the same in France,  the same... you don't see that commensurate   improvement. Now that kind of matters. Or what  else do we know from the research? I said it's   hard to find evidence that Christian ideas  cause the harm but what about the evidence that   Christianity, in fact, is brilliant for mental  health. What about the evidence that Christianity   is a huge benefit to a person's psychological  stability, mental state and physical health.   I’ll tell you what, there is mountains and  mountains and mountains of research across   disciplines, across institutions, across decades,  that says you bet you, that is exactly correct.   So, do we know that Christian ideas and living by  Christian principles is good for people? Yes, we   do, yes we do. In fact, it's one of those things  that's known to the literature without question,   without question. Now, if you want more on this  - because I want to get to the Scriptural point   because that's my favourite part - but if you want  more on this, look at our YouTube channel, there's   a talk by Dr Stephen Chavura (c-h-a-v-u-r-a),  great guy, you look for a talk by him called   ‘Is Christianity Harmful? You get the footnotes,  you get all the information, all the studies.   He goes through all this stuff. And so, the  researchers can't show us this evidence of harm,   so, what we are left with is strong assertions  and activism. That is what we are left with. But I want to turn to a Scriptural  understanding of what's going on here.   And to that end, I want to point  something out, I want to ask a question.   What exactly is going on here? Many people  attempted to say, well freedoms are being eroded,   freedom of speech is being undermined, freedom  of religion and so forth and I want to say yes,   that is true but I want to contend that that is  not the most accurate assessment of what is going   on. I want to contend that, actually, if we could  sit down and compile these cases and we could run   through each one, we would quickly find that  a common thread exists in nearly all of them.   Namely, someone was cancelled, someone lost  their freedoms because they told the truth. It's the gender binary, it's the male and  female, it's sexuality, it's pro-life,   it's God's judgment, in fact, I think  that might have been a bigger part   of Israel Folau's problem - he spoke of  God's judgment and there were many more   conservative commentators that would be pro-free  speech, that highlighted that, as a problem. One of the greatest examples of this was from New  South Wales. It was the New South Wales Transport   Minister, he banned the billboard that was on  the side of New South Wales transport buses   which were by a pro-life organisation called  Emily's Voice. And they simply bore the slogan,   this is it: "A heart beats at four weeks" and they  had a woman's hands in the shape of a love heart   in front of a pregnant stomach - "A heart beats at  four weeks". And he said, that he found those ads   reprehensible and he moved as quickly as possible  to get rid of them and they were banned and the   activist actually said, well, this is going to  induce guilt in people and so it must be stopped.   Now do you think a pro-choice ad is going to be  banned? Do you think a person who writes a book   about gender fluidity is going to be cancelled? Of  course not, that's not the way it works, it's one   way and they are cancelled for telling the truth.  Because if I say that harm is hurt feelings,   that harm is anything that detracts from my  subjective experience of my happiness from day   to day, if harm is anything that contradicts  my desire to live out my authentic self,   if that is what we are saying, then the truth  is harmful because the truth is not you! That's an astonishing belief of narcissism and  yet, we're almost there. It's my truth. I am good.   I am beautiful. I am the one who needs to be  protected. I will live out my authentic self. You know, here's the reality,  the truth is outside of you   and you're not always consistent with the truth.  Sometimes it contradicts you, it challenges you   and yes, shock horror, it even upsets you.  It even offends you, from time to time,   and here's the reality, and this  is something for us all to think,   the truth is very often at its most offensive  where it is most relevant. This is a really good   discipline to learn if you're in a conversation  and someone makes an assertion and you fly off the   handle and you get angry and you reject it and you  storm out or you walk away or afterwards you're   throwing up your hands and you're calling them  all sorts of names - wait until you calm down   and when you've calmed down,  ask yourself the question,   were they right? Is that why you got angry?  Did you get angry because you were insecure   about something that they said which actually  might have even had a hint of truth in it? That is the sort of people we need to be and  that is a reality we need to accept because,   as I said, and it seems so trite  to say, but you are not the truth.   If people were the truth we'd have no way of  improving them. You know, Hitler would have   just been living out his truth, what can you  do about it? You know, I say this in schools   don't follow your dreams, that's what Hitler  did [laughter] and I know that the person... There is an assumption in this, that what  is coming from my desires is right and good.   I tell you what, the Christian message,  the Gospel of Jesus Christ comes at you   from a completely different angle and  says no, no, it's not right and good,   quite the opposite. In fact, you're a person  who is living in a state of desperate need. The truth stops us in our tracks,  it tells us that we are not right   and we can do one of two things, we can ignore  it and we can fight it and we can resent it,   or we can submit to it and we can change. And  that latter option has another name, it's called   character. That is how we grow in  character. Do you know, James, in James 1,   he talks about the word of God being like a  mirror, how it... you know, you can imagine   somebody looking in the mirror in the morning  or imagine the closing of that clip just before,   what am I doing? Looking at the screen and  adjusting my hair, okay. This is what people do.   They look in the mirror and they go, I've got food  in my teeth. You don't walk away and leave it be.   You look in the mirror and you realise  your jacket's too tight, you go, oh okay,   I need to either need to go on a diet or buy  a bigger jacket, preferably the first option.   You don't go away from that situation unmoved  and the Word of God shows up the imperfections.   It shows you up for what you are and you go  away and you change. It's called character. But you know, there is a more specific  answer to this question still. There is a more specific area that is up  for attack and I want to tell you firstly,   by just looking quickly at these attributes  themselves, gender expression, gender identity,   sex, sexual identity, these sorts of things, let's  focus on those sorts of things just for a minute,   they're most straightforward. What's  the answer to gender identity?   Genesis 1:27, 'In the image of God He created  them male and female He created them'. You know   go directly to jail, do not pass to go, do not  collect $200, you're cancelled, you can't say   that. Or what about the answer on sexual identity  - I mean on gender expression - and you find that   yeah, there are differences between men and  women, there are different callings on the   lives of men and women in certain ways. Scripture  just bears that out from start to finish. Well,   you can't say that either. Or sexual identity,  well again, cancelled, you can't go there either.   There is a legislative expression here in these  attributes of intersectionality, critical theory,   cultural Marxism, all that stuff and  someone asked me a while ago, in fact,   I was asked at the Brisbane event in the Q+A, why do they choose these attributes?   Why not other attributes like looks  or height or BMI or... why these ones?   It's interesting, each one of those attributes  actually is an attack on the truth of God Creator. Each one of those attributes undermines something  of the truth of how God made things very good.   I mean it undermines the truth of Genesis 1:27,  male and female He created them in His image,   undermined. It undermines the truth  that man was not complete by himself   and woman was made so that they would be complete  and they were told be joined in marriage - it   undermines that truth. Or indeed the life mandate,  be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.   And you see in Genesis, a little bit later on,  in Genesis Chapter 8, I mean Genesis Chapter 5,   you see the contrast between shedding blood and  that command. God says you are people of life,   not people who take life. Or indeed, and  I mentioned this in Brisbane as well,   the providential care of a God who  rules all things including His planet,   including His world until He is done with it,  Genesis 8, 'Seedtime and harvest, cold and heat,   summer and winter, shall not cease  as long as the earth remains'.   All these things are under attack  and these attributes are a big   part of it, they undermine creation ordinances.  If someone wants to deny those truths and live   and you want to live different to them,  then it's said that you're being harmful. The real target is truth, yes, but  here's the particular kind of truth,   it's not just creation truth, it's something  else. Actually, it is truth that exposes sin. Romans 1 tells us that, ‘By nature,   people suppress the truth in unrighteousness’.  In other words, they would prefer, by nature,   to persist in doing what is wrong so they  don't have to confront what is right.   They would prefer by nature to suppress that  truth and go on in an alternative path. And it's,   therefore, these moral claims which seek to expose  what is actually wrong that are so often cancelled   and the question arises, well,  what ought you to do about it?   And I want to rely here, for my answer,  on the words of Jesus in John's Gospel   Chapter 8. He begins with that very famous  verse, He says, ‘If you abide in My Word,   you are truly My disciples and you will know  the truth and the truth will set you free’.   And here we find a culture clash. Jesus says,  actually, true freedom is found in His Word   and it is found in our submission to His  Word and in that, is liberty. And even   if you want to define the words of Jesus very  narrowly, not to embrace the whole Word of God,   but merely limit it to the words in red ink on the  pages of the Gospels, here's the thing, He quoted   all these creation ordinances in the Gospels. And  it is in submission to that Word, it is by abiding   in that Word, by placing yourself and your life  within its parameters and its wisdom, it is there   that the human being finds liberty and finds  freedom. That is the paradox that's going on here.   And the world in which we are living is  telling a lie, that these words are oppression,   these words are harmful, these  words could be killing people   and dare I say it, even amongst Christians,  these words ought not to be spoken very much. And there's the statement, oh no, it's the  truth that shall set you free. And that is   anathema in our day but it was the same in Jesus  time, you know. They refused to comprehend Him,   they'd say, we've never been enslaved to anyone,  how is it that you say you will become free?   That's their response. We're not slaves, we  are free. I mean is that not how people feel   today? I mean that's the Marxist belief that if  you struggle against these truths, the struggle   is for the freedom that lies on the other side  of them. Cast them off and then you will be free   after they've been smashed apart. Roz Ward, the  founder of Safe Schools, is on record saying this,   she says, 'Young people without those shackles  of being straight and living according to their   biological sex will flourish in new and amazing  ways that we can only try and imagine today'.   Smash these truths, and you will  be free, says the Marxist gospel   and the Gospel of Jesus Christ comes along  and says, the truth will make you free. And here's the thing, I’ve talked to a  lot of people in the grip of this ideology   and my heart goes out to them because one  of the things you realise very quickly,   and you don't need to talk to them face to  face to discover this, one of the things you   realise in so many cases, is that they do  live with a lingering sense of oppression.   A person may be free to do all that they  please, in all the areas of life and they   may cast off everything that amounts to  the words of Jesus or the word of God.   They may want to live as a lesbian and a trans  woman and a feminist and all these things   and they might, they might do that, but here's the  thing, these movements, they don't scream freedom,   they scream oppression. It consumes  them, they don't feel free at all.   They are dominated by a sense of oppression  though they can live as they please.   Why is that? Well, hear the reply of Jesus to  His audience, who claimed that they were free,   they said, we're free, we've never been a  slave, and He says, 'Truly I say to you,   everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin'.  And I tell you this and we must recover this   truth for ourselves if nothing else. There is no  greater misery than the misery produced by sin.   It looks delightful, it enchants the senses,   it tempts us with its sirens song, like the  fruit in the garden - that always captures me you   know - as they looked at it and they contemplated  it, they thought wow, this looks good,   this will feel good, this will be nice.  It's a lie it's a cheat, it lets us down,   it's a slavery, actually, that plagues the  human condition and affects us all. You know,   much is made of this modern notion, it's not a  modern notion, but I think lately we've become   more interested in it, in the last few decades and  it's the notion of free will and we always say,   you know, God gave us free will and that is true  but also this is true, a slave on a galley ship   has quite a bit of free will, they can think as  they please, they can do all sorts of things,   but they cannot get free of the  oar to which they are chained.   And I will say this, by nature, we are as  a human being, chained to the oar of sin   and you may have great freedom  and God has given us great freedom   but there is something you  cannot do, you cannot, not sin. You can never live a life that struggles  free from sin, you can't do it.   It's interesting, the contrast in this  passage is between truth and lies and freedom   and it's interesting even if you take the lies -  Jesus says lies is where it all starts - Satan's   the father of lies and you're in slavery and all  the rest of it, we cannot live a life of truth,   none of us seem to be able, to tell the truth, all  the time. Oh, there's serious limits on freedom.   The Apostle John says, 'The one who says he has  no sin, is a liar and the truth is not in him'.   But it is those who say things  which speak to this condition,   that highlight human sinfulness, that expose  sin, they produce the hottest reactions.   Not just in the world but also amongst those who  call themselves Christians, as well. Words that   expose sin in people are met with resentment,  anger, rebellion and hardness of heart and it   was no different for Jesus because when He  started telling this truth, they got angry.   His audience, He says to an audience,  He says, 'You seek to kill Me because My   words find no place in you'. He's  just told them they're slaves to sin   and He says why do you not understand what  I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear   my word. People won't bear it, they won't stand  for it. And do you, know in light of that,   when you have weak leadership in a society, we  fail to resist a culture that says, we won't   bear it. A culture that won't bear it to such a  degree that they don't quite want to kill those   who say these things - or I wonder in a different  cultural context how that would go - but they want   to cancel them in every way possible and it makes  people angry and we too, I think, have succumbed,   I think, we too, compromise, on some of this  stuff. We've forgotten this, all truth is   good truth. All truth produces freedom and yet  we've given up on sin because it's not attractive,   we've given up on judgment because  it makes God seem like He's not nice,   as if nice is an attribute of God, it's not  I’m afraid. We've given up on the Jesus of   the Bible because He says things that make us feel  uncomfortable, like the passage I’m reading now.   I recently walked through the  gift section in a religious shop   and you know, I’m not really having a go at this  too much but I want to make a point about it.   I noticed that really all the gifts, they  were very soppy, they were very feel good,   they were very much along the line of,  you know, God has a purpose for your life,   lots of grace, lots of mercy, all this  kind of stuff and I thought, you know,   where's the, you know, the desk ornament  that says, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,   says the Lord'. You know, where's the wall  hanging, you know, that says, 'You are of   your father the devil and your will is to do your  father's desires'. Where's the stationery that's   got printed on it 'All have sinned and fall short  of the glory of God'. It doesn't exist, does it? Or the Scripture that Israel Folau paraphrased 1  Corinthians 6:11. Indeed, not only did the public   flee from him but so much in the religious  world fled from him because it wasn't nice. Are you not glad, are you not so glad for the day  that you found out that you were a sinner going to   hell? Was that not the truth you needed to hear?  Was that not a truth that set your gaze in a right   direction? The awesome truth of eternity,  the awesome truth of the judgment of God.   Was that not something that pricked you where you  needed to be pricked, was it not? Are we not glad   that God reveals to us the sin that enslaves  us? Are we not praising God this evening that   He will judge the world in righteousness?  That's not our job but it's God's job.   I had a bunch of kids come up to me at a camp  a while ago and they said, 'How can you believe   in a God, a loving God who judges?' I said well  how can I not? Can you imagine if there was no   justice? Can you imagine if all the stuff that  happens in this world never got put right? Can   you imagine, let's go to Hitler again, just to  lose the argument once more, but can you imagine a   world in which Hitler is just a mistake that means  nothing? Oh no, none of that's true, all things   will be put right because the judgment  and the justice of God is real. Of course,   the trouble is, that the judgment and the  justice of God doesn't stop at my front door,   right, it's not just all of them, it's me  too, so let's not forget that and I never   want to say these messages without bringing  it back to ourselves because really it is   ourselves over which we primarily have the  greatest control, not necessarily the world.   You know, I think I’m right in  saying that there's a lot of silence   on about half of the revelation of God. And yet,  in the context of the passage I’ve just read,   Jesus is saying, He is trying, anxiously,  to highlight the truth about sin, first.   That's what He's doing to these Pharisees  that He's talking to. And it's interesting,   it was his pattern, you know, when He spoke  to the Samaritan woman, what did He say?   'Go and get your husband.' Are you serious?  Why would He say that? Why touch on that   issue? Because the truth would set her free  and it did. Why did He sit down with Nicodemus,   you know, the starchy, righteous man who had  lived a life of uprightness and he truly had.   Who had worked so hard to keep the laws of God,  why did He say well, 'You need to be born again',   you need a fresh start, you need total  renewal, you can't work like that and   expect to be righteous before God, it takes a  greater power than that, it takes the power of   the Spirit. Why would He do that? Again, that  was the truth that would set Nicodemus free   and it probably did. He appears later in the  Gospels, he's one of those that buries the   body of Christ - incredible stuff. Or indeed,  our passage here in John's Gospel, Chapter 8.   Why did He tell this group  that they were slaves to sin?   Why did He indeed go much further to describe the  fact that they are sinners and their slaves to sin   and also that they're doing the deeds  of their father who is, He says, Satan,   and you say well, that's pretty strong, well  it is, very strong, but clearly, it was what He   thought they needed to hear. Clearly, He wanted to  break apart their self-righteousness and say no,   no you need to understand something, if you're a  slave to sin, if you can't stop sinning, you've   got someone's DNA in you and it's not God's. I  remember going to China a while ago with my sister   and we're walking around and a lady came up to us  and she couldn't speak much English but she said,   'same mask, same mask', pointing at our faces  because she's saying there's a genetic likeness,   I can see that your brother and  sister, is what she was trying to say.   And here's the thing, sometimes we bear our  family likeness and Jesus is saying well,   by nature, unfortunately, you bear a little  bit too much of the likeness of Satan   and not enough of the likeness of Christ. And  of course, then, we become children of God and   there's transformation and all the rest of  it. That was the truth that would set them   free and that is why when I was on Q+A the  other night I was very happy to tease out   a conversation on repentance. I wanted it to  go there, it was actually delightful to see,   it was incredible to see them wrestling with the  concept of repentance and what it would mean.   And even Trent Zimmerman sat there and said,  'Well, does that mean I have to repent?'   And I was saying, 'God commands all people  everywhere to repent', that's a quote from   the Book of Acts. What a great thing. Is  that not the truth that can set people free?   You know, we have forgotten a little, I think,  that even the hard truths are good truths.   But these are the stakes, it's good and evil,  it's light and darkness, it's truth and lies,   and it's Christ and the Devil as He says here in  John's Gospel, Chapter 8. And Jesus is declaring   something, He's saying we must be transformed by  the power of God out of the kingdom of darkness   into the kingdom of light and that begins with  the truth and it can begin with the truth about   the darkness because people won't abide it  but it might just be the truth that they need.   He knew the stakes, He knew because  He was going to die for sin,   He knew what it would cost, He knew what sin  was doing to people. I wonder sometimes if   we've forgotten that people basically are souls  to be saved and that really, ultimately, matters.   That's what Christ knew. What did he  do? Christ Jesus came into the world   to save sinners - never forget that. There's a lot  of conjecture about who Jesus was, what Jesus did,   what He would have been like, most of what He did  was tailored to that ultimate end, the salvation   of sinners. Because He knew more than anyone,  what sin was, He knew all about eternity and He   knew why He was here which was to suffer and die  for the sin of people, that salvation, indeed,   that freedom, liberty in Christ, might be offered  to every human being who has been for too long   under the shackles of sin. What a tremendous  message that is. What a tremendous   liberty for this world and Jesus could say  here in John 8, ‘Whom the Son sets free,   he is free indeed’. And I want to finish  tonight by saying, let us not underestimate,   let us not lose faith in the value of the truth  we are carrying, simply because people say,   what you say isn't nice, what you say is harming  people, what you say is not good. I’m not saying   be unwise, be reckless, but I am saying this,  let us be like Jesus who didn't compromise,   who didn't compromise, who didn't  compromise. And yes, people got mad,   it's a feature, not a bug, it happens but do  you know, people got mad and people got saved,   and people got mad and people got saved and so  it went on and then He wasn't just... they didn't   just get angry, they didn't just pick up stones  to stone Him but He went to the cross and they   incited the mob against Him and He died. He was  the first and ultimate victim of cancel culture,   for speaking the truth. And as Christians would we  walk in His footsteps, to be brave, to speak truth   that sets people free? And here's the thing,  we've got something extraordinary on our side,   we actually have Him on our side. He's alive, He  is with us and He walks through all the hardships,   He walks through all the challenges, He  walks through everything that we face   right there because He did it first. I love  what an old preacher I know says so often,   he says, ‘Doesn't matter how far down  you go, Christ has been deeper down’.   Let us rejoice in that and let us walk in the  footsteps of Christ and not lose faith in the   truth that we carry. Well, ladies and gentlemen,  I’m Martyn Iles and that was ‘The Truth of It’. [Applause]
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