The True Cost Of Jimmy Carr's Tax Scandal

it's quite an interesting thing when you get publicly shamed i didn't sleep for about maybe three days i was having panic attacks one day it all caught up being a good person to the casual observer tax that seems like a good segue yeah well i mean the tax thing is really it's quite an interesting thing when you get publicly shamed uh that you can't you know you learn a lesson i totally missed that oh okay well i mean what happened was there was a uh the long story i suppose is you have an accountant right your accountant says how much tax do you want to pay yeah there's a scheme and you go yeah great is it legal yeah they go yeah it's legal and you go oh okay and they go yeah you can pay as much as you want or pay this or it's quite they use terms like it's quite an aggressive scheme and you go oh okay but there's less tax and you get to keep okay that's well that sounds good and i suppose every anyone that's ever bought an isa has done a tax avoidance scheme that's a government-backed tax avoidance scheme so i was doing a bunch of those and government enterprise initiative things and trusts and quite complex financial things so the money was rolling in and it was just all going through the accountants out to these things and one day it all caught up so one day i don't know how exactly i presume hmrc leaked something but that's okay uh and it went from being on the cover of the paper to going you know you've done an aggressive attack scheme this is morally wrong and i'd never thought of it as being moral i'd never i just go on while i pay as little as you can and whatever i'm still kicking in a lot um and it was just like i i had that feeling it was almost like um suicide with a bungee rope you felt like you were losing everything and then it kind of snapped back and it was okay but the sensation of what it would be like to be cancelled i've had that that kind of you know not ptsd i haven't been in a bomb blast but you know you have that feeling of like what that would be like um so and then the prime minister comes out and he's at the g20 and he does a press conference where he talks about nothing other than your tax affairs and how morally representable you are and he's the guy that brings in austerity and gave us brexit and you know scottish independence and whatever and you go oh [ __ ] i'm this is gonna be and then i'm doing a topical comedy show that week where we're talking about the most talked about things and i'm the most talked about thing how did you actually feel in that moment i was behind the scenes i had uh so the news broke on a sunday i was i didn't sleep for about maybe three days i mean you know i didn't sleep you know there's always an hour here or there but i was having panic attacks uh and that sensation of a panic attack if you haven't had one is you you you can't get comfortable in your own skin you can't sit you can't stand you can't eat you can't drink you're just like nothing feels right you're kind of just off and i i took some i took like a beta blocker on the first day and then i had the meds i had like the beta blockers and the valium and the stuff i got like prescribed enough to send me down a black hole and then i didn't take anything i just had them as a talisman of like okay i'll have that but it was kind of panic attacks and waves of that and uh guilt and shame and you know hard lessons because you find out who your friends are so a couple of people that i was pretty close to were gleeful were oh that guy's been brought down a peg or two like it's that's a hard thing it's a hard thing to learn and then some other people stepped up to the plate you know and you go wow that's i'm not really interested in fair weather friends like everyone comes to a showbiz party of course they [ __ ] do the show is party baby um but the people that call you when you're at your lowest and go fine i love you you're you're not the worst thing you've ever done you go great and on that point you you talk openly about how you've had depressive bouts yeah i mean i i spoke about it in the book because i think it's a um i wanted to kind of deliver on listen if i hadn't talked about the tax thing in the book i think peop readers would have felt shortchanged very much like hmrc did um but again the depression and anxiety i suffer more with anxiety than depression and i try and see in a very positive way i try and be as positive as i can in life and go so if i have an anxiety attack you go well that's sort of the flip side of creativity right so if you have a mind that's whirring all the time you know sometimes it's going to wake you up at five in the morning with a panic attack and that's all right you know i can white knuckle that i'm i'm lucky that mine aren't that severe it's not like i'm better and braver than other people with mental health problems that need to medicate i'm just lucky that it's not as bad for me but i'm aware of it and i think talking about it does help because all we have is talking therapy so if that talking therapy is me someone listening to my book and going oh he seems all right and he's he deals with this and he's going through it and i know that i'm not alone in this because the first time you have a panic attack it's [ __ ] terrifying because you think is this my forever now because it's all you can feel and it's overwhelming and you go well is this it is the first time you get depressed the first time like a real depression hits you it's like oh wow this is a this is awful when was the first time um the first one was probably early twenty uh early twenties like after college like uh uh a black mood that just wouldn't shift and it was yeah uh yeah that's pretty it was pretty scary and then i had i had one in australia a couple of years ago in 2018 where i and i could kind of see what it was like there's a bit of your mind that's like always you know aware and it was like i traveled that i'd done like 160 flights that year and it was i did australia twice in a month and it's i was so broke and i was so stripped of serotonin and i took a valium to sleep on the plane and that strips more serotonin and i was just like it's the inability to feel joy um so i don't know if you've had anyone die in your life but sometimes someone on their deathbed you make them their favorite meal you get the food from the specialty but i remember going to see a friend who was dying and we bought him scotch eggs from fortnum and mason like it's his favorite thing and he looked at him and he was grateful but he couldn't eat them because he just didn't have an appetite and when you're depressed it's the appetite for life is just gone it's just you haven't got it um but it's this too shall pass you know the the that thing of going well you can just you know i can white knuckle it and just kind of get through that and other people can medicate for a couple of weeks and they're sort of okay and do you think these things are it's an interesting question to ask and probably quite naive but do you think these things are a symptom of the way we live our lives panic attacks depression or do you think they are part of the innate human experience regardless of the way that we live our lives i think it's a it's a great question i think uh i think depression is a part of life i think it's you know probably people have always had that and i think there is a um there's a there's a benefit to these things there's a um it's not only negative you know melancholy can be a very beautiful thing sometimes it's very appropriate to be down you know if you're grieving someone that's you know you talk about being depressed when someone dies you you it's grief it's a different sort of thing that's uh of course it's it's uh it's normal i think that thing about for me i think you know the nurture thing is the thing that we can change i'm i'm a great believer that we could change and do better but yeah maybe it's maybe is a symptom of how we're living our lives and we could do better you know i'm sure if i was doing um ayahuasca every weekend i'd have less panic attacks but at the moment i don't feel kind of drawn towards that world but i'm kind of aware that that exists i've kind of got some friends in that world and i'm aware there's other i've got a friend that was on antidepressants for 30 years and started doing ayahuasca and is now off them now it's not even firsthand it's definitely not scientifically relevant don't take medical advice from me kids but it strikes me that there are other ways there's other ways in that there's ancient cultures that had this [ __ ] locked down you talked about one of the lessons you brought over from your business career was um branding you you said one of the the most important things you carried over from your business career to stand up is branding you sell your speciality yeah i think that i think like i mean branding in a very loose sense it's that thing of like knowing how you're perceived so when you walk on stage if you're like suited and booted and you look as if you're hosting a tv show how long is it going to be before some dummy a tv channel goes who should be hosting a tv show this guy looks the part like that thing of like that simple thing of going this is a visual medium i'm standing in front of people i don't think it's not like people go oh you know if you don't get them in the first five minutes you're in trouble five minutes you're having a laugh if you don't get them in the first on the before i've hit the mic they've made a decision about me in a club you know this guy oh this guy [ __ ] knows we can all relax this this guy knows what he's doing take the wishing well yeah and it's like that thing of like you go you know someone someone uh faking confidence is exactly the same to the casual observer so that thing of like what you're what are you faking fake being a good person to the casual observer it's the same [Music] you

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Published: Fri Sep 16 2022