The TikTok Star Who Killed His Wife -Case of Ali Abulaban

have you ever installed one of those um baby monitor apps on your phone or your iPad before I hear some people use it when their baby falls asleep and maybe another room where they don't have their normal sleeping space their normal baby monitor setup so they set it up and the iPad or an iPhone connects to another device and you can basically see in real time you can listen in real time so you can watch your baby sleep see if they wake up in the middle of the night it's a quick and easy fix and it's essentially live streaming from one device to another now a famous Tick Tock star and he had almost a million followers on Tick Tock which is huge but his engagement was incredibly high like meaning that some of his most famous videos were getting 10 to 20 million views per video so this guy is famous I mean chances are if you're on Tick Tock if you're on YouTube watching the um he was featured on a bunch of big YouTubers reacting to funny Tick Tock videos he's yeah he was everywhere his name on Tick Tock was Jin kid AKA Ali now he had installed this type of app on his five-year-old daughter's iPad and he was at a hotel when the app buzzed he opens up his phone now his daughter's supposed to be at school so it it must mean that someone else is in the house or someone else is making noise in the family home so he picks up his phone and he starts listening to the app he puts the phone up to his ear and he's trying to hear the conversation it sounds like there are two people talking but they're not in the room where the iPad is so he's straining to listen now he could clearly make out the sound of the voices so one he knew to be his soon-to-be ex-wife I mean that made sense this was her home you know soon to be ex-wife yeah they're in the process of a divorce uh okay okay which made sense because the daughter's iPad is in the house the soon-to-be ex-wife is living in right but was that a man's voice Ollie slammed his fist on the hotel table he was pissed emotional fuming right off the bat he said to himself oh my God I just caught her I just caught her he felt the Rage of someone who had just caught their significant other cheating on them but the thing is Ali and his wife Anna were in the process of divorcing they were separated they weren't even living together he had been kicked out of the family home they were broken up but he did not understand why why she would give up The Tick-Tock Fame why she wanted to stop making videos with him when they were getting millions of views he did not realize that all of that abuse that he was giving to her behind the camera was pushing her away that did not stop him from planting this app on their daughter's iPad he actually slipped it under his ex-wife's bed and tried to listen to every little thing that she said or did he was enraged so he's like spying on her yeah he grabs his keys hops into his car and this is taking place in San Diego by the way he could hear his ex-wife and he's like listening on the phone while he's driving past the speed limit and there's another man and they're giggling and they're conversing and he's he's fuming he said that in the car on the way there he's screaming to nobody in particular don't do it Anna don't sleep with him don't do it and then he said he heard his worst nightmare through the phone R B music and he felt like that could only mean one thing he said that he almost had tears flowing out of his eyes he parked his car rushed into the apartment that he once shared with Anna and their daughter and by the time that he left two people would be dead he would be driving down the highway with his five-year-old daughter and the loaded gun in the car [Music] this is the viral case of The Tick Tock star that is on trial for a double homicide as always full show notes are available at rottenminglepodcast.com today's case does involve a lot of um talk about domestic violence if that is something that cuts a little too deep then turn this episode off run a bath watch a comedy show eat some yummy food and I will see you in the next episode or if this is something that you're currently dealing with just know that there is help available I'm gonna leave those all in the notes but for the National Domestic Violence Hotline please call 800-799-7233 or head over to thehotline.org but a big note a cautionary note all of those are linked if you make any calls or go to any website clear it from your call log clear it from your browser history so that being said let's get into the case Ali told himself that he could get his wife back he was a famous Tick-Tock star with almost a million followers you know there was nothing that he couldn't get that sounds so cliche like it sounds like a caricature of an influencer on one of these SNL skits but that's genuinely how this guy felt he would tell all of his buddies that his wife was leaving him but it's fine because he's gonna get her back he would mention that technically he could move on too he said you know I could have anyone that I want models celebrities I could have them all but I want Anna I want my wife Tick Tock followers yes no genuinely this guy would bring out a massive Ziploc baggie of cocaine in public like at a public restaurant and his friends would be freaking out like put the baggie of cocaine away what are you doing like we're not all trying to get arrested right now no one's gonna believe you that that's powdered sugar and he's like it's okay guys I'm Jin kid I have followers yeah I mean I don't I've never met an influencer like that in all my years this is insane he's literally the caricature of an influencer he would sit in his motel room after being kicked out of the family home and his cousin Louis was there and his cousin Louie is trying to give him some support to do the separation and that night Ollie got so drunk and he's showing his cousin pictures of his wife and he's pointing at the screen and he's screaming my wife my beautiful wife I'm not giving her up to no man I don't want no man being around my child he did not understand that she does not want to be with him sure he's famous sure he's making money but he felt like pushing her to the ground abusing her hitting her yelling at her being toxic trying to control her humiliating her on live streams screaming at her threatening her citizenship status he thought that was just part of what came with being married to a star you know because they were couple goals they were couple goals on Tick Tock they had this relatability factor to them so Ollie would kind of play this protective boyfriend role the jealous boyfriend role in these videos and originally in the videos it does come off endearing like I watched a few and I tried my best to be like okay don't let hindsight be 20 20 just look at it objectively what would I think if I saw this on my fyp it's pretty chill so for example I mean she's at the store and she's with one of her guy friends she's like hey I want you to meet my boyfriend and once he's on FaceTime alone with this male friend he's saying if you touch my girlfriend I'm gonna [ __ ] kill you and he's like whipping out a gun whoa the gun part is a little weird but when you go down Ollie's page that wasn't necessarily him he was known on Tick Tock for role-playing Scarface Tony Montana so he would wear the outfit he would do the hair he would have the accent so I guess it was more um digestible for people versus if it was just a skit and they're they're trying to pretend exactly it's like a parody it's a character that he plays into right but um yeah I would never imagine that he would be in prison for a double homicide so in regards to their social media presence I think that they were just having fun with it so is that like most of the content they post yes right so skits oh he he went through phases okay so he actually got big do you know Skyrim no Skyrim is like one of those games now imagine I think this one was more mainstream but it's like a fantasy land not a fantasy land but more of like one of those fantasy Warrior type games I think they walk weird they have side quests and stuff like that okay so his whole thing was pretending to be the NPCs on these games like you know the GTA ones where you have them walking all weird and they keep walking into the walls he was role-playing that and people thought it was hilarious especially Gamers they were like I love this no one's making videos like this so he did all the Skyrim videos like these Game niched parody videos and they blew up eventually he starts going into these movie character roles so he starts cosplaying and parroting Tony Montana from Scarface John Wick from the John Wick series and oddly takashi69 let me give you a little insight about God Kevin you see God he likes to watch he's a prankster Dad I know it sounds crazy all right but just hear me now the map exists all I have to do look I'm not stealing it I'm borrowing it yo you got a bathroom ahead nah all right yo what'd you say to me y'all suck my dick stupid I don't know why okay that's like a really random one but he would parody like POV Tony Montana tries to order Chipotle so like these really tough big bad movie characters and they're just like doing normal everyday stuff that was his whole Tick Tock and then eventually once that blew up he started posting his own personal stuff so like videos with Anna about their relationship about their child but people think that um Ali abulaban might have taken his social media career like a a bit too seriously maybe he was too much into the John Wick Tony Montana type of characters maybe he felt like that was his real if you guys have you seen Scarface maybe a long time ago okay just to give you a rundown Tony Montana is the star of Scarface he is also played by Al Pacino like the goat and Tony Montana is a pretty bad person like if you want to look at it simply he is the main character of the movie but he's not a hero oh he's a Villain Like I kid you not when you Google what is Tony Montana known for the first Google result is he's known for violence cocaine and the final scene where he waves around an assault rifle and goes say hello to my little friend those are the three things that Tony Montana is known for and this is the character that Ali is role-playing non-stop doing skits parodies which nothing is wrong with that it's pretty normal on social media but he starts kind of adapting this personality in real life which is absurd if you really think about it because it's not like he played in the movie I would imagine if you were the movie character it's a bit different maybe Al Pacino can't get out of the the character that makes more sense you're just doing skits on social media what's going on but that is not the guy that Anna had fallen in love with a lot of people make this case out to be like oh you don't 100 know what's going on social media social media is all fake because on social media they're portrayed as this loving couple goals but in reality they're in a toxic relationship I do think there is some of that but I just think that he was a violent aggressive evil despicable human being I don't think social media is why he did what he did but it probably pushed them apart and that made him Furious so the guy that Anna knew was just someone trying to build a family he was just someone that was trying to build a life with her he had this passion for acting he starts making these Tick Tock skits it blows up it's paying some bills and it almost feels like Anna's like okay well this guy is just trying to support the family and he's enjoying what he's doing it starts like that but slowly with the fame and money he starts turning into somebody else Anna was born in 1993. some sources say that she was born in the Philippines others say it was in Japan or the US I feel like it's probably not in the U.S though because it's kind of pertinent later there's like a whole citizenship debate but most of our family are in the Philippines she had a science degree from the Technological University of the Philippines which is a very big deal and it's very indicative of how intelligent she was so she is Filipino yes and she had a master's degree as well so there's not too much that you can find about her online which is interesting because they're both technically social media personalities but I was really think for Anna social media was just her sharing bits and pieces of her life it was very natural for her she still had the separation of like that's online this is like real life she just wanted to show people her having fun that's it she had no intentions of turning it into like a full-blown career really she focused on her school eventually moves to Okinawa Japan she was a military kid so she travels around a lot her dad is in the military and they were based in Japan and it said that she was really really really close with her whole family she kept most of her family life private but even then when she would post videos she was so into celebrating people's birthdays she put in so much effort into planning these get-togethers she put so much detail and all this energy into just being there for her family members and you know like you can call someone kind you'll be like oh she's not she's compassionate but I always find it very interesting when someone is described as having a healing soul like when people use the word soul to describe someone I always feel like it's a it's a different type of feeling that's how she's described yeah as a healing soul I feel like my picture of someone like that is someone that you know the little tick tocks of like oh someone I would feel comfortable wearing a bikini around like someone that wouldn't judge me someone that makes you feel safe and like happy that's kind of what I think it is maybe she has the same effect of being one with nature like those people that feel like you just took a walk in the woods when you hang out with them they just feel refreshing so she ends up meeting Ali in Japan Ollie was serving in the U.S military when he met with Anna and the two developed this friendship they both had these really like fun outgoing personalities they were both very funny they loved to crack jokes and I think that initially the relationship was based off of that the fact that neither of them took themselves too seriously or took the relationship too seriously it was just like a really good time now Ali was said to have been kind of obsessed with his new girlfriend though like not in the creepy way just in his eyes I mean really anybody's eyes Anna is beautiful intelligent highly capable loving dedicated to her family like what is there not to love so for a little while things are really good until they're not good Ollie ends up getting less than honorably discharged from the military it's speculated that he got into a physical fight at the bar in Okinawa and allegedly he had an obsession with guns This Guy's in the Air Force by the way he's got an obsession with guns and he brings his gun into the bar he gets super drunk and starts a physical fight with Anna it said that he was pushing and fighting Anna and anyone that tried to get in his way he would start pushing and fighting them what so the military was like yeah okay you're like a loose cannon we're gonna discharge you less than honorably and now since there's really nothing holding these two back in Japan they decide that they're going to move to the US and work on building a life for themselves they first stop in Virginia that's where Ali's family is now and this is kind of um around the time that Anna starts introducing Ali to all of her friends and immediately they're getting the ick they don't like this guy but they particularly don't have like a strong reasoning and I think that this is what happens in most relationships that you see that are abusive and or toxic so to close family members and Friends you don't know that it's abusive you don't know that it's toxic there's just like something about him but you don't know what to say because your friend is so in love so like what can you say oh it's just my gut like you sound weird you sound like you're not supporting her so they just kind of um I don't know it's just weird it resulted in this frustrating situation for everyone Anna's friends were frustrated because they had been in her life way longer than this guy had like Anna has friends from childhood I'm talking like young since they were like middle school kids one of her childhood friends Cassie did not like Ali because the minute that they start dating he acted like he was the most important person in Anna's life it's almost as if he hated the idea that she had a whole life before him one time Cassie called Anna and she remembered Ali picked up the phone and it was so strange because they just started dating so like why are you picking up her phone first of all but even then okay fine maybe she's in the shower or something like let me know but he's like hello hello um this is Anna's phone right can I talk to Anna what are you calling her about uh just wanna talk to her okay well you can just tell me like he's very much like why do you need to talk to her just tell me would you get out of here like you don't need to be calling her right now it's not even in the middle of the night it was just really weird Cassie felt like what the hell like this is my friend before she was your girlfriend I've known her for almost 15 freaking years who are you to pick up her phone and ask me who I am and why I'm calling yeah again this isn't really something that you can say to your friend you can't necessarily use that as an example because there's so many ways of being like Oh I was in the restroom so I guess you didn't want you to your call to go unanswered you can't be like oh my God you got to break up with him because he picked up the phone so it's a strange incident but they couldn't do anything about it and and I started getting very serious about this relationship she started confiding in her friends that she could see herself marrying this guy and again they just kind of it's a tricky situation they just supported her they just wanted her to be happy and they probably thought to themselves I think we're gonna hate anyone Anna brings because she's literally so good that no guy is ever really gonna be good enough so maybe we're just like really picky as friends we're just protective I think that's what they were trying to tell themselves and maybe they just don't know him that well yet right let's talk about Ali Ali's parents immigrated from Palestine to Staten Island where he was born and later they moved to Virginia but ever since Ali was young it said that he was confident that he was going to be a star one day yeah oh yeah okay he would watch movies he would fantasize about being in the movies so you know when you're young you fantasize about being movie characters like I wanted to be Hannah Montana so bad but this guy was like I want to be Miley Cyrus playing Hannah Montana I want to be a star like I literally want to be a movie actor actress I want the fame I want the whole press tour I want the auditions I want people clapping at me I want the movie premieres I want the red carpets that's what he wanted he fantasized about that as a kid and when he's 14 he joins a band I believe he was a lead singer but nothing really came out of that one okay and it wasn't until he moved back to Virginia with Anna from Japan that he really starts to take his social media career very seriously and like I said you've probably stumbled upon his videos I mean he has hundreds of millions of views across his platforms and things start kind of moving fast he ends up marrying Anna they have a daughter together and they start sharing bits and pieces of this all over social media they start getting personal on social media or at least Ali does and in 2021 the couple decide to move from Virginia to San Diego it felt like a mutually perfect decision for both of them so Ali's cousin Louis from the beginning of the story he had just moved to San Diego and he loved it he's like you gotta come to Southern California it's crazy out here it's like beachy Town Vibes every single day it's beautiful now Anna she had a ton of friends in San Diego so both of them are like okay this is new this is closer to the industry scene and we have a lot of support there let's go out there let's have a blast both of them we're very excited to start this chapter in their lives they would even post videos like tick tocks of them dancing and the caption would say when your relationship is drama free you can see that Anna looks genuinely happy in a lot of them she would talk on Instagram about how much she loved Ali and how he was a great father how she could never find another person like him I want you to try to do the 69 impression I want you to say yeah I know the [ __ ] boss yeah yeah y'all know wait let's try the Scarface one okay okay how do I do the face you smell something nasty but the move from Virginia to San Diego changed everything Louie Ollie's cousin was there to witness all of it the good the bad the ugly he said that he loved his cousin Ali but after they moved Ali just seemed just seemed so unstable he said that he would have these incredible mood swings just hot cold insane and then slowly that escalated into this incredibly abusive Behavior Louis mentioned that when they first moved they had this big Social Circle that was already waiting to welcome them in because remember all of Anna's friends are there so of course I mean a lot of Anna's friends are married they have husbands they have boyfriends and Ali is just an extension and it's gonna be this one big happy family and I'm sure that they were gonna be very very welcoming right Louis hints that something happened that Ali had done something that kind of alienated him from Anna's already established group so he wasn't necessarily outcasted but I guess it was just uncomfortable when he was around maybe Anna felt uncomfortable Ollie didn't like it it was just um see more often than not Anna would go out alone without Ali and that makes it seem like she's constantly going out that is not the case Anna went out once in a while she was more present in her daughter's life practically raising her daughter by herself Ali was so focused on his career and micromanaging everything that everybody did I mean literally everything he constantly accused Anna for abandoning him to go party with her friends people just like hate it when moms have lives okay I think it's healthier but let's just say Anna never put her friends or going out above her own child like she did everything for that baby and once in a while when she did go out for her birthday a special occasion or she had a babysitter she would make sure that her child was okay with her looked out for and she would just let out some steam once in a while later Ollie would go and accuse and try to paint her into this party monster like a party Maniac character and her friends hated it her friends knew what was going on too because the minute that Anna would step out of the house her phone would be blowing up on the way to the bar or the venue non-stop calling non-stop texting when she gets there she's like half there half not and you know the texting isn't even like a fun flirtatious texting where he's like oh my God can't wait for you to get home it's very much she looks stressed do you know when friends like fight but they're out but they're like texting and fighting with their Partners that's kind of the vibe every single time it's like she's working customer service Fielding his calls every time she goes out he could not leave her alone for two seconds now remember Cassie Anna's friend she said it was a lot like just the obsession with control the aggression and it just only grew worse oddly as Ollie's Fame grew Cassie said he's a bad guy there's nothing good about him he's selfish he's all about the high life he wants to be on his high horse he talks over people interrupts people I mean he would joke around because he carries a gun on him he carries a gun on him wherever he goes he's over here like hey let's shoot up you want to drive around and shoot up the place and we're all like what no and he's like no I'm just joking I'm just joking take a joke we're like that's not a joke Ollie we don't joke like that yeah what's going on I'm like what is going on yeah I mean I can imagine that already tells me enough that her friend group obviously was not comfortable when he was around because it's just very unhinged it's very scary I mean he just really wasn't a nice person he was very very arrogant it's said that Ali would interrupt people never apologize he just genuinely thought that whatever he had to say was so much more important but more than that so much more fascinating than whoever else was already talking you could be talking about how last week your daughter was in the ER and your husband had hey do you follow me on Instagram excuse me I'm like literally in the middle of I'm verified be honest you knew who I was before we met wow they said that all he did was talk about how many views he had his follower account how he was verified which brands reached out to him he would straight up do intros for himself like you know when um someone introduces someone else onto the stage you say really great things about them you know before they give a speech or something this guy went around and did it for himself he would be like hi I'm Ali I'm the internet's Tony Montana and Skyrim in real life okay like how do you even respond to something like that just okay cool wow side note you know how people leave funny comments like on videos where it really like the energy doesn't imagine it's just funny and people say it casually they would write things like thank you for doing God's work it's funny it's not serious you know how is making us get God's work Ollie took it pretty [ __ ] serious he genuinely thought that he was doing God's work he felt like he was the only one on the internet that could make people laugh that could make people feel good oh yeah this guy was so full of himself he posted a teaser that a fan had made of him a Scarface and he was the new Tony Montana which is fine okay we love showing appreciation a fan made the edit I like it but he freaking captioned it Montana a Scarface prequel film this is an audio trailer and movie concept that I put together to give you all a small glimpse of my vision and desire to give the world a new Scarface story he genuinely thought that he was going to be the next Al Pacino like he genuinely thought this he posted this a week one week before he killed two people what's up you guys it's Jin Kidd here I hope you enjoyed that fan made teaser it's been a dream of mine my whole life I've pretty much come up with an outline of what I would like to do with my Tony Montana impression I'd like to go beyond comedy I'd like to really bring Tony Montana back the way Al Pacino did that his Tony Montana I would never want to remake the film I wouldn't even do it for 10 million dollars online but I would I think it's better if we just bring it in a prequel there's so much room for story there's so much to tell how did he really get the scar how did he meet Manny what was it like for him to serve in the Cuban Army what what made him crazy I mean because at one point imagine a Tony Montana that was insecure that wasn't as cocky as he was in the next film I just want to expand upon the story it's been 40 years and I just want to respectively play Tony Montana and give that character to the new generation in a new story that perfectly aligns with the 1983 film I think I'm capable of doing it I know I'm capable of doing it listen to me okay I gotta make that film one day one way or another this [ __ ] thing I gonna do it okay I need everybody to share this video as fast as you can straighta your mother send it to your brother send it to your sister if anybody knows anybody in the industry the film industry send it to them show them my videos tell them how good I am it just seemed like he was really hooked on the power and attention that he felt that Fame was giving him he wanted to be special compared to others and obviously the guy is going through a lot he has stuff going on with him maybe he's so incredibly insecure maybe he has an inferiority complex but I just think it's wild that a full-grown man is out here doing this introducing himself like that he would say things like I'm gin kid I can do whatever I want and not ironically not in like a sarcastic funny way not in a self-deprecating let's make fun of influencers way like genuinely what does that mean I can do whatever I want like I'm an info I'm famous I can do whatever I want it's like saying I'm Justin Bieber I can do whatever I want but he's not Justin Bieber I imagine that that did not go over well with Anna in their relationship Anna does not strike me as someone that would take this emotion with Fame in fact she seems like the type to be upset if anyone thought like this or behaved like this and now it's her husband so Ali starts spiraling in San Diego he was being pushed out of Anna's Social Circle for very good reason and he felt like he was losing control over his wife she had a support system she had people to comfort her if they got into a fight she was no longer isolated and alone and he wanted her all to himself he wanted her to need him to depend on him but she's a strong individual who has her own life and he just could not handle it he truly could not wrap his head around the fact that someone would rather spend time with nice non-famous people versus him famous Jin kid Ali the internet's real life Skyrim he could not fathom it so how does he respond to the shift in their relationship does he voice it out loud like hey babe I'm feeling a bit insecure in this relationship here's how I feel does he try to win back her friends or win back Anna no he starts playing with loaded guns so that gun that he would carry everywhere with him I mean so irresponsible so dangerous so illegal I don't even think we have to go further into that but he would even let his five-year-old daughter hold the gun most of the time it was unloaded but he would also just leave out bullets all around their place for the five-year-old could easily get to it I genuinely don't know if he didn't care I mean I imagine he didn't care or if he thought it was cool or if he thought that's what Scarface would do so I must do it I really don't know because I just cannot comprehend someone's thought process like that there is no doubt that Anna was a victim of an abusive relationship but for a while there she was able to kind of hide it and mask it and this is kind of why I don't like the take that like oh you don't really know what's going on on social media I get why some people say it but the undertone to that kind of conversation makes it feel like Anna wanted to be the perfect relationship on Tick Tock I don't think that she was faking it I think that just most domestic violence victims mask the abuse that's just fame or not you don't want your friends or others to worry about you you don't want to be embarrassed and a big part of is you probably feel like it's your fault you probably feel like you did something wrong so why would you want people to know that there are a few incidents of reported domestic violence though a neighbor reported Anna had knocked on their door asking to use their phone to call the police she allegedly stated that Ali had hit her and taken her phone so that she could not call the police herself the police showed up but he wasn't arrested which is kind of interesting because later one of the police would even tell multiple news stations that they had been called to the unit multiple times I think in the three months leading up to the murders there had been nine calls to their apartment in the span of three months wow Ali was never arrested that's almost like once a week yeah what's their explanation I don't know maybe both of them were like hey it's not a big deal like we were just fighting it's very interesting why they didn't do anything now October 18 2021 Anna had reached her Tipping Point Ali had been yelling at her on live streams accusing her of being a bad mother and blaming her for his drug use okay let me explain so this guy goes on live to do a line of cocaine yes he did a line of cocaine on live he's losing it yeah right people didn't know if it was a skit they were like oh maybe that's fake cocaine but the way that he was acting was so unhinged and erratic they were like that has got to be real like there's no way he later apologized but instead of taking accountability for his own actions because you're a grown adult he starts blaming his wife he starts blaming Anna he said that he was just so stressed from watching their child all the time because his wife is always out partying he would get on live and call Anna a bit he would talk about how he moved her to San Diego those were the words he used he did this for her and all she wanted to do was hang out with her friends he alleged that her friends were bad influences and he said that he loved his wife but all of her friends were people who cheated on their husbands and their boyfriends and just nasty he allegedly even said and this is really gross but he said to Anna you're not even a U.S citizen I moved you here name one other guy that would do that for you he's giving those people are so insecure so he will talk about anything that make himself seem bigger right the gun the follower counts the follower comments and the citizen Citizenship so anything to make himself feel that's come from like someone who's so inferior yeah like this is he keep mentioning these things and it's just I mean I think the fact that he even used citizenship as like a way to try and wield power over her is so bizarre yeah I've never seen that in a relationship like that is I mean to even make her potentially maybe even fear deportation or things like that that's very scary and I don't know her residential status but the fact that he was the type of guy to use it against her just tells me everything I need to know about this guy so Anna's over it she's done her Tipping Point was when he showed their daughter a loaded gun and let her hold it he also started abusing her in front of her daughter and that was kind of like the final straw for Anna she kicked him out of their apartment Ali moved into a motel and Anna was planning on filing for a restraining order and filing for divorce so soon to be ex-wife now Anna was emotionally and mentally over it like she had cut these ties with Ali long before she actually kicked him out so she had already moved on and now this was just the action of like okay physically I'm gonna separate myself from you and we're gonna go through the process she was done with him she did everything right he abused her he was toxic and now that was being shown and traumatizing their daughter she's not gonna stand for it there's no way she's taking him back by the time that she kicked him out she was completely over their relationship and ready to move on Ali was not on the same page the minute that he was kicked out I think that he realized that he had messed up a little bit but he was adamant he genuinely thought well Adam's going to take me back it's she's going to take me back of course he didn't even realize that the falling apart of their relationship was his fault he would talk to his cousin and whine about it and he would blow up Anna's phone begging for her to come back he would blow up Anna's friend's phone demanding that they asked her to call him back and the more that she's not responding the more he starts spiraling maybe in his head he felt like he was Tony Montana in a spy movie and I'm not saying that to um say that he was having a psychotic break or that he was he complete Insanity that's not what I'm saying but maybe he thought he was in like a spy movie because what he does next I don't even know how to describe it he made a copy of the apartment key he takes his daughter's iPod installs some sort of spyware app most people think it's some sort of baby monitoring cam system he goes into Anna's Home trashes the entire Place destroys everything rips things apart throws things around throws dishes on the floor there's broken glass everywhere flipping chairs pulling down shelves he was so angry with Anna for being her own individual for being someone that he couldn't control he channeled all of that rage into this apartment and what's crazy is even after this he felt like Anna was going to come back to him so he trashes the place slips the daughter's iPad underneath Anna's bed and walks out this was the beginning of his rage and his revenge he wanted her to be as upset and as uncomfortable as he currently was so when you're going through a divorce I think it's natural to want to surround yourself with happy people you know with friends that make you feel positive and I feel like that's how you move on Rayburn Baron was that kind of person for Anna we don't know the extent of their friendship or exactly how they met or how close they were when all of this went down but everyone who knew Rayburn said he's just the type of guy that you would want in your corner like he was genuinely so happy he literally loved to laugh he just had this very contagious energy about him I mean why would you not want a person like that in your life when you're going through a dark time or just like in general like he's the type of friend that makes it so much easier to see the light at the end of the tunnel because he's like holding a flashlight down the tunnel for you that's Rayburn I mean I could see why anyone wanted to be friends with him he was 29 Anna was 28 and a little bit more about him he was born in Mexico dedicated to his family people said he was the glue of the family like you know all those people that have like the extended family parties and these birthday parties he was the one that was organizing it he was the one that was like okay I'm gonna facilitate everything at parties if you were feeling shy he would bring you and introduce you to everyone and maintain conversations with you that was Rayburn now that day in October Anna had invited him to her place while her daughter was at school October 21st 2021 this is like 2 p.m Anna's neighbor's camera caught them walking into their apartment it's believed that Ali knew Rayburn he was somewhat of a mutual friend but he was probably closer to Anna than Ali either way Ollie's hidden camera heard the two of them enter the apartment and he heard them giggling talking the neighbor's nest camera caught Ali passed through the hallway towards Anna's unit not too long after the mic picks up six gunshots and a man screaming and Anna Anna later both Anna and Rayburn would be found with gunshots to their head and upper bodies the next thing that we know for sure that happened was the 911 call the call itself has not been released since the case is still ongoing but it's been confirmed that Ali was the one who called the police so six gunshots were heard from the apartment after Ali was seen running into the apartment then he dials 9-1-1 and tells them that he came home to find his wife dead on the couch next to her friend and they had been both been shot the operator asks him to stay on the scene and wait for the police to arrive but he says no I can't I gotta go he hangs up the phone he goes to his daughter's school around 3 pm and picks her up early it's not time for her to be dismissed from class yet we don't know if the teacher or the office worker statement or what they said to the police we don't know if he looked or acted strange there's a possibility that his clothes didn't have any blood on them there's a possibility that he was a good enough actor that they didn't notice anything strange or even if they did what are you gonna say no dad you can't take your own child but this is the chilling part he carries his five-year-old daughter out of her Elementary School buckles her into the car seat in the same car with his handgun that he had just allegedly used I would not want to imagine what riding in a car with the person and the weapon that just killed your mother could do to like a five-year-old's mind when they grow up allegedly Ali confessed everything to his daughter in the car that day it's said that he didn't go into specifics with her but he did say Daddy hurt mommy then allegedly he called his own mom to tell her everything that happened in more specific terms keep in mind his daughter is in the back seat so if he did really in fact call his mom and confess to murdering his wife his daughter hurt at all I don't know what that does to their brain right for me and you it will be terrifying yeah so I don't even know how would a five-year-old process that I feel like you don't really know until they get older right because I feel like when you're five maybe you don't understand the impact of it and then you grow up and then you're like oh my God what did I hear that day so if you really did call his mom I mean that's terrifying five-year-olds may not know right then and there what death is but they can recognize death they can recognize when they're in a scary situation and I can't even begin to imagine what sort of confusion and fear that little girl was going through so he's on the highway heading out of San Diego while he's talking to his daughter and his mom meanwhile the police go to the scene at the East Village apartment and immediately they did a system check on Anna's husband they ran his phone number through the system he had used his phone to call the police so it's very easy to get his number they sent out a bolo beyond the lookout for his license plate and car police caught him on the highway they had a very rough time okay it wasn't that rough but they had to be very very sensitive to pulling him over because he was with a loaded weapon he had a five-year-old in the car they had no idea what he was going to do they did pull him over eventually and he he was calmly arrested peacefully arrested but there were like six entire police fans lined up around his Jeep so I don't think that he had really much of a choice than to be peacefully arrested so they take him into custody and they immediately charge him with double homicide they sent him to jail wait for the pre-trial hearings and Ali pleads not guilty despite video evidence that he was seen in and out of that hallway the audio evidence of the gunshots his mother's story his mother even came out to the police and was like yeah he confessed to everything all of that he pled not guilty in custody Ali starts spinning a whole new tale about what happened he stated that he was minding his own business he happened to walk into the apartment for whatever reason I mean it's they still share a child so I guess it's not entirely unreasonable right but he said I saw with my own two eyes my wife and her friend were dead on the couch the couch that I paid for in the apartment that I paid for he was worried about their daughter's safety he didn't know where she was he called 9-1-1 and he said that he couldn't stay because he needed to go check up on his daughter he went to the school and guess what his daughter was there he put her in the car and started driving her to the safest place that he could think of which was an Uncle's house outside of San Diego he wasn't on the Run he didn't do anything it's a wild story for a while that's about all he said his lawyer told him you know what stick to that story okay stick to it don't say anything else that's all you need to say Ali does not follow his lawyer's advice so after cases like this news stations come like piranhas looking for a bite of the story journalists reporters news stations they're like I can smell blood in the waters so Kelsey a reporter from Fox 5 reached out and told them that you know we'd like to do a prison interview with you or a jail interview with you basically she was shocked to hear back from Ali she said we usually don't hear from folks awaiting trial often because you're awaiting trial why would you want to do that I wrote to him and said hey we're doing a story on what happened if you'd like to talk to us we'd love to hear from you he called us back we're really surprised I asked him at the end of the interview and it's a very long interview 45 minutes and I said does your lawyer know that you're speaking with us yeah well what did she say about that she told me not to talk to you okay so then why did you choose to talk to us if that's against the legal advice I wanted to get my side out now this fox interview is one of the most unhinged things you will hear to date the video is up and posted on Fox 5's website but you cannot see it outside the US without a VPN I'm going to attach a few video clips here but if you're listening to the audio the whole interview I don't know a better word for it all these tone switches from calm and collected to loud and passionate and angry at the switch of a button he slaps the jailhouse table to accentuate his sentences when he's angry and he's gripping so he's like on the jail telephone with the plexiglass in front of him and he's like gripping the phone so hard that you can see sweat on his hands I mean he's crying during the interview at one point he rarely breaks eye contact with the reporter but it comes off very unsettling it doesn't come off as he's engaged and being honest it comes off just like whoa what's going on he moves his eyebrows a lot I mean so do I but I'm just saying it almost feels like he's acting like the way he's so expressive for every statement feels a little weird it feels like an audition honestly but I mean this could just be my biased opinion after knowing some of the case details but I just don't know how I would interpret his body language if I saw this video with no context let me know in the comments what you think but let me break down the interview for you the reporter just straight up asks Ali if he killed Anna and he responds don't ask me that don't ask me that you know I was listening to the house on the iPad did you kill her foreign so when you heard rayburn's voice I didn't recognize him I didn't know who he was but what were you thinking I was freaking out oh my God oh my God I was freaking out I caught her oh my God oh my God she she brought a man and that that's a man and then guess what I hear like like a nightmare r b music and he's like banging his hand on the table and he's screaming I'm driving and I'm like screaming don't have Santa don't have Santa don't do it and I'm screaming he's screaming my daughter sleeps in the furniture that I put together what do you expect a man to feel happy and almost in a mocking tone he goes well I guess that's the end of my marriage I never admitted anything police say they have evidence against me I don't know what it is so the prosecution says that you admitted to your mother that you did this and then you pled not guilty can you explain that no no I can't I can't which tactics and asked him about his daughter why did you pick her up I picked her up from school why did you pick up your daughter from school and like right there again this is my personal opinion it kind of looks like he's acting um so the whole time he's looking at the journalist he he acts like the camera isn't there which is interesting because you're literally on camera he's dead focused on the interviewer's eyes and the minute that he's kind of taken off guard by this question he glances at the camera for a brief second and that to me kind of reminds me of someone when you know like if someone lies and you know that that's a lie they kind of glance at you to see if you caught them to try and just like analyze you maybe it's like a split second he just glances at the camera and it's just so strange he continues and says well I picked her up because I thought it was safer so how do he explain that they're dead again so now the reporter asks us again did you know what happened to your wife and Rayburn about what your wife being shot I'm the one who called the police I reported it I found them when I found them my first instinct was to go get my daughter for her safety to drop her off at a safe location I wasn't running away I wasn't doing anything I have nothing to hide what happened when you found them without breaking eye contact Ollie laughs and shakes his head no are you shaking your head no no yeah he's just like and she's like no are you saying no like you don't want to answer the question no and he's like no what happened when you found them the next part of the interview feels like the only genuine part he says I miss making my videos I miss everything it's my craft it's my baby I love what I do I wanted to be an actor and I was right there I was right there the weekend before all this happened I was in LA at The Comedy Store I was talking to producers I was about to have a talent agent I was right there Ali your family says that your social media Fame changed you they say that you are doing cocaine and you didn't really care about any consequences nope are they right that's false my family doesn't know anything because they never cared about me do you think that made you snap do you think cocaine changed you now remember he's basically denying that he does cocaine and then he's like yeah it messed with my brain it made me violent it made me like aggressive you know when I'm on it yeah remorse about the situation are you kidding me I'm broken I'm devastated I lost my wife my goal was to just try and get a hold of my family it was slipping through my fingers I lost I'm the loser here I lost I lost I lost the love of my life I lost the love of my life everybody I reached out to when I was going through this problem when I couldn't get a hold of Anna they were like dude you gotta leave her you gotta leave her I know I gotta leave her but I don't want to leave her dude you're so handsome you're so famous on the internet you could get any model I know I know I can but I don't want to I want my wife could anyone else have Anna not while she was married to me more about this to recap he just really screws himself over in the weirdest ways in this interview I don't even know why he did this interview he went against his lawyer's wishes he's contradicting himself left right and Center it just I mean it was a very unsettling everything about it was just very strange he did not act or behave like a normal human and I'm not saying he's a normal human because obviously normal humans don't do that but his behavior was very unhinged not like in the insane way where I think he should plead insanity but just very strange so the question is were they dead or were they alive in making out we don't know now I just want to make it clear we have no evidence that Anna was cheating prosecutors actually believe that Ali thought Anna was cheating on him long before the murder occurred that is just the speculation and that is something that a lot of abusive people do they constantly accuse their partner of cheating even though they don't even have the opportunity to cheat and another thing I almost don't even want to mention it but in the interview he blames Anna for their troubles he said that after moving to San Diego all Anna cared about was and he says this Taco Tuesday woman Wednesday party Sunday bar Sunday he said that she partied too much and tries to paint her as this horrible mom as far as we know that is literally not what happened at all she was a great mom and Rayburn was just a mutual friend of both Ali and Anna she had kicked him out of the house she was done she was filing for divorce she had every right to just do whatever she wanted she was a full-grown adult but he ransacked their family home that she was living in bugged the apartment I mean she could have very well just asked Rayburn over for some emotional support because of everything that she was going through and even if she did cheat who cares there is like no reason to murder someone Ali was charged with double homicide and sent to jail to a weight trial each first degree murder charge could land him 25 years to life in prison but um considering the circumstances of the murder he could potentially be looking at the death penalty I will say I feel like that will be highly unlikely since California hasn't executed someone since like 2005 2006 but there is a chance that he is facing the death penalty now during the preliminary hearings Ali continued to cause a scene of course he did but uh let's first talk about the prosecutor's theory that was discussed so I'm not saying that this is what happened since the verdict has not been passed but prosecutors believe that Ali rushes to the house he had his gun he was filled with rage and he opened the door with the key that he had and saw them on the couch together and shot both of them three bullets were shot at Rey that entered his neck chest and back of his head at close range and then he shot his soon-to-be ex-wife in the forehead allegedly executioner Style then as quickly as he came he left while calling the police to report their bodies now at one point while he's listening to the prosecution discuss what evidence they have against him Ollie stands up in his handcuffs and he shouts I can't do this I can't do this the judge looks over at him and he says Mr abalaban yes sir I'm sorry this is news to me this is really hard to take Mr abalaban we can't have any outburst and I'm not going to allow you to speak my apologies I'm sorry this is news to me you can't have any outbursts but then later when a different law enforcement officer is on the stand telling the judge what Ali said to them he goes you think I wanted this you think I wanted this for my daughter you think I wanted it two court security officers walk over and place their hands on his shoulders almost as a warning and he goes who the [ __ ] are you I need you to stop my life is destroyed he had just experienced a very traumatic events he created one yes is that a fair statement don't inject your own okay [Music] is there a Boulevard I need you to stop the judge calls for a recess and when the court gets back together a technician took the stand to analyze the autopsy photos of Anna and Rayburn while he is talking Ali lays his head down on the table and he starts sobbing and what's really infuriating about this is that when he wasn't putting on a show when he wasn't screaming out in pain if he heard the family's victims cry he would just kind of glance over and just have like straight face it's like okay the attention's not on me right now is the vibe so when they're showing the autopsy photos he's subbing my baby my baby and then someone from the audience screams back and we later find out it's two victims family members I can't even imagine what they're feeling right now as he's having this Outburst like you killed Anna what do you mean your baby you are the reason that she's gone you're the reason they are gone so one of their family members stands up and screams shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] you seriously but this is where people are mad the judge asked them to leave the courtroom [Music] believe leave netizens wrote the judge admonishes the victim's family members yet does not come down hard on the monster they should not be the ones told to leave but in the end the judge ruled that there was enough evidence to try Ali and has said his jury trial date later in September he's still in the trial process so no verdict has been announced Ali's Tick-Tock account has been suspended but his bio was available on Instagram and it did say for a brief moment hashtag I'll be back that is gone now cause can you imagine and this is the worst part there was a little bit of support for Ali online comments were saying free gin kid they were saying I feel bad for him he had great potential and his wife really screwed him over people said I would also lose my mind if my wife did that to me some people were even like they didn't necessarily support him but they were very generous they wrote things like wasted Talent he was a good one I think he just took the character a little too far that's not what happened so you think every actor and actress that plays a villain or a killer on TV or parodies he's not even an actor see with this one I don't even think it has anything to do with what he played this is him I think he just got some Fame and some power and then it showed it Amplified yeah he was yeah he's more controlling than ever and more obsessive over his power and yeah these are like the same types of people that are like I would kill my family to protect my family and they don't see the problem in that and you're like what how do you not see that do you just have like a really thick skull that doesn't even make sense logically I think those are these people were justifying yeah I mean she was cheating there's not even evidence that she was cheating and so what someone this this comment infuriated me men don't process feelings like women do so you can't blame him for having this Outburst according to this comment then we should just put all men in daycare they need supervisors Guardians with them they should not be able to open bank accounts because they can't like process emotions or thoughts or anything really I will say most of the internet is not like that thankfully there are a lot of supportive comments for Anna Rayburn and their families and it just completely drowns out the negative ones and his family had a GoFundMe up for her afterwards and they just wanted to bring their baby back home to the Philippines so that she could be buried in her hometown her childhood home they reached their goal of twenty thousand dollars and Anna's mom was able to fly to the U.S and bring Anna home and rayburn's family also had a GoFundMe and they said that they were just raising money for his funeral but they didn't want to call it a funeral it was his celebration of life they too passed their GoFundMe goal and as for Anna's daughter as of right now she's about seven years old she's currently staying with family members Ali's cousin Louise said you know I'm really hurting for that girl because I know that her life will never be the same again someone is going to have to explain this to her someday and it's going to be one of the hardest things that someone is gonna have to do and it's tough and it's going to be tough look I know the trial isn't over the verdict hasn't been passed but I do hope that if he is found guilty of the charges I hope that he gets a punishment that's going to bring peace to the families of the victims I think the worst part though about this case like the very disheartening thing on average nearly 24 people per minute are physically abused stalked or assaulted by an intimate partner in the U.S alone I imagine on a global scale the numbers Unthinkable and that's every single minute and Ali is just one of the many many terrifying abusers out there so please if you are watching this and if you feel any similarities in your relationship reach out to someone you trust reach out to the resources that are available online over the phone they're going to be links and like I said delete your call history delete that internet browser history and please please be safe and I'm going to see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode bye

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Length: 59min 32sec (3572 seconds)

Published: Sun Jun 18 2023