The Replay Files | Truly Counter Logic

you started to the golems you started to go golems oh no why am i doing gold and then you say oh wait jay we can base and tp double tp you're the one you're the mastermind behind the doubles no i think with darshan we played a lot because um whenever darshan makes a great call we will like jokingly take his credit you know like as a as a collective team i actually don't remember if i made the call or not anymore we're just talking about this i'm pretty sure you made the call like if i remember correctly because i know that we were trolling you we all knew that you made the call but we were just trolling you that we like someone else made the call oh yeah it's like i was like yeah i made the call yeah caitlyn should have really been able to carry that game we really brought that one out of the magic yeah it just pulled out a win pulled out a double tpi yeah somehow on the same creep yeah that was that was amazing actually clg's golden age from 2015 to 2016 produce some of the greatest moments in lcs history both at home and abroad for an organization whose trophy case remain infamously empty until the summer of 2015 the sudden breakup of the beloved rush hour bot lane in the wake of their first lcs title came as a complete shock but the faith remained as clg's quickly rebuilt 2016 roster claimed yet another title at the spring finals in las vegas followed by na's first ever msi finals appearance this run cemented them as one of the greatest north american team of all time and left an indelible mark on the hearts and minds of the clg faithful but none of that would have been possible without one of the most out of the box plays in league history and it wasn't at msi or in las vegas it wasn't a pentakill or a rocket jump it was in the lcs semifinals it was when clg like magic made something from nothing it was a play that can only be described as truly counter logic [Music] there is so much to say about this clg you could say they had a tumultuous offseason pobelter is off the team and doublelift was off the team but they also said that was by choice so cog is looking to come into this split and just build off of their nilcs championship last year what was the rebuild like for the clg what happened to clg after you lost your star player um i think the 2015 roster was good too we had a good team but i think that this team was just different right different strengths and weaknesses and i think that none of us felt like oh we don't have doublelift anymore or we don't have pobelter anymore things are going to be a lot harder i think maybe fans saw it a little bit differently okay they're gonna take two of the best north american players like cobalt and double off and they're just gonna replace them with random rookies essentially um i remember i wouldn't say there was a lot of hate directed towards us but there was a lot of like doubt towards clg in general like what is the management doing um like there's no way they're gonna do well to split i remember like doublelift throwing like a jersey into the trash can so i think that was like pretty hype for people and i think people were like wow like i don't think there's any way clg is going to win the next split for clg what do you think like how difficult do you think it was for them going through you know a rebuild that you've been through many times before losing a star like peter or doublelift was a big deal right like i think a lot of the community was like that was like the worst decision clg has ever made in its entire career like why did you let go peter right you just won a championship like why don't just keep the same roster right i think what matters most is that you do everything you possibly can to win and it's more important than one individual on a respective team it's about the collective and they made a decision to rebuild to start again go back to the drawing board and determine the right type of team that they're going to need to compete and do well i was important from korea and i didn't really know anyone in america living in the same house like experiencing the sad moments and the good moments together like even though we fight like i think in the end after practice like we'll go to a taco truck at 2 am um i remember like so many times going with darshan with other teammates and like we'll just talk through our like of all our problems so for me like at that time it kind of came to me as a instead of a teammate more so like a friend or even a family member terms of like bonding with their teammates oh yeah i mean you're around those guys all the time you know like you're playing with them all day you go out for like you know mcdonald's at midnight with these guys stuff like that so yeah i've heard rumors of a 2 am taco truck runs can you confirm those yeah yeah in game as well like we really rarely had like negative comes like we didn't easily give up games that's why like we could even come back to like like 15k gold lids on stage games stuff like that i know that he got my back and you can fight this battle together and in the end win is there any moments in the regular season you have like particular memories of the most notable one for me is when we beat immortals do you remember the game against the models i remember that game we remember that one i remember i was just like i picked fjora into quinn because i just was so confident on my viewer i'm like i'll win on both sides of the matchup for something like ridiculous like that i think yeah we had some those moments uh we also got some tips from trick to gi remember and then we pulled out udyr and everyone thought we were trolling but would you ensure i did a lot of work in that game i remember i think it's always exciting to beat i think they were undefeated before that right and i think you know you don't want any team to go undefeated and slay you want to knock them down yeah for sure mortals trying to keep that perfect record alive here and the gold lead is only 800 gold in the favor of clg after all this leblanc is there to try and kill cooney on the other side while more is doing baron see what he's going for the win the bottom lane this is going to be very tough yeah we we were the 131 team i remember oh yeah we're six should always say that tony and i say that come on guys we're the 131 team yeah our team was kind of designed well for that like um we had such a strong trust to each other um for example like darshan will trust us that we'll do our job like annoying them like not making the base and they will trust in darshan that darshan won't tp to the fight and just get his own like objectives um i feel like our communication was we've practiced those moments so many times i feel like even in scrims there was a lot of times like that we were they're doing baron or wording baron and making them react to us and let darshan just split push and and smithy steals the baron somehow oh it's smithy the time buyer of all time buyers can he do it swipe by 50 50. he steals it and counter lodging gaming is very much still in it darshan tp but he wasn't actually able to get baron he's on to the nexus does it even matter that smithy just came up that big yes it does what a barn burner darshan a few more hits he gets it to go down counter logic gaming defeats immortals counter logic gaming with a crazy ending the core of it it was still darshan split pushing down at the end of the game and their patience to play that move over and over again split pushing in general is like probably one of the hardest strategies it's not the hardest strategy in the game that's why you like rarely see it now and i think that speaks to like how good our coordination was i think that it was a hard strategy to execute and i think that it would be really hard to recreate now i was really frustrated after the match because i felt like i felt like i did nothing and i won the game and i didn't want to feel like that right i wanted to feel like i was contributing to the game and i never wanted to be that guy that was just on the bus just just chilling just riding along just getting carried so i wanted to be like like if you know still just going to win that's because i'm a big part of it i remember um my old like player development coach mike at the time he you know we went on like a long walk after he was just talking and i was venting my frustrations and uh he was just pretty much saying like look you know you don't have to do everything every game it's a team game like you gotta take it slow ladies and gentlemen we are hitting the playoffs now it has already been an intense season that we've gone through and tl looks to possibly make their way into the finals against defending champs counter logic gaming i like briefly remember at the time that people were thinking team liquid was like the best any lcs team but people didn't think we're as good people were like yeah they got second but like i mean kind of similar to the whole you know narrative we had the whole split it's just like people are people are still like kind of like not sure about your roster changes guys like you look you're good but like maybe you're not the best you know we all believed as a team that we could win the whole thing like we had it like oh my gosh we're doing it we've done it the 3-0 like this is possible and we were confident in our own play if they can win this they make it to the finals it gives a chance for them to win the 2016 spring split get their team logo hung in the studio get their picture on the sidewall go to the mid-season invitational [Music] we had signed piglet a little bit before he was kind of our star player right previous world champion big name and so we had this kind of like n a with piglet kind of roster it was pretty big like when i first heard the news i couldn't really believe it back then i think we did have some degree of respect towards him he won worlds in season three i want to say came from skt21 you know the biggest korean team there with the one the faker on it it was a huge signing he came to team liquid and before i was playing i think this is 2015 was when you know people were touting him was like oh this guy is like unbelievable like so much better than the other 80 carries in lcs piglet is a very confident player um you know if you were to ever interview you probably go back and like watch a lot of the interviews with piglet he was always like yeah i'll beat them yeah yeah easy you know like he believed that he would always be able to win and i think that's an important quality of a world championship player in terms of our strategy as a team it was okay peggy looks really good he's got high mechanics just let piglet carry that was the goal right piglet consistently amazing piglet is good every single game enforced into a fight they only want it for a little bit here matt's very low piglet doing some damage from over the wall looking for a quadra here and it's going to be another one as he picks up darshan piglet with a quadruple that fight was so good and they're going to be going hard on this one piglet shots onto hoogie there goes the machine gun mage he's down lam's respite is giving a little bit of safety over to clg but it's not going to be enough they closed the door they finalized the fight and piglet goes forward for a triple kill as the team follows behind him what a turnaround one for tl two for clg and tl will not go quietly into the night we're going to a game 5. [Applause] who moves on to the finals does clg get a chance to defend the championship or is team liquid going to shatter their curse and finally make it to finals for the first time ever i've tried everything roster changes moving players around coaches changing coaching staff you keep trying you keep doing what you need to do and you get to this moment where you're just right there you're in game five you're about to play clg and everything is on the line you lose this game you're out all right we're juiced up we're just up all right and the truth comes out whenever you're ready in july do you remember like kind of what happened throughout the series i think it was pretty close very close i think it was pretty close i have to go back and watch this yeah it's a while it's a wow game chief let me tell you so there's this fight don't worry about this fight it's what happens after the fight okay that you'll recognize [Laughter] okay i'm dead i must have dashed in it's the theme of the series yeah yeah there's gonna be a few traps the audience smithy he's going in lamb's fight is up to be used starduck very low focused resolve blocks down and that's going to be piglet sticks huge going down he wasn't even able to get his summoner off i remember we all say trevor and then he's like that's why it's fine i was playing lucian i kept dashing in and then he was just like dude stop dashing in please and then instantly i was like okay i'm like throwing this game really hard like i need to i need to chill out a bit and just let my team do the work and we finally uh caught them we got baron i think we got lots of confidence oh this is our game to take i think we should have ended the game we did something terribly wrong i can't remember exactly what happened caitlyn putting some traps down and we couldn't see any towers and like he had such a huge range like it was pretty stressful to to deal with them because i was playing rice we didn't had a great engage tool yeah we didn't so it was actually pretty impossible to get on him finally they get nick smithy down but the guardian keeps him off there goes phoenix matt is down clg looking to put the finishing touches on piglet he's going hard piglet gets one he gets two i think the game can start feeling like a little uncomfortable when you get to like late game and then you're just outscaled yeah and you're just like oh we gotta like you gotta somehow win this it feels really tense it feels like every single like it gets to a point in the game where it's just like one mistake wins or loses the game and that's where like everything's on a nice edge right and it's very very tense and i think that's probably the most fun part of the game to play where it's just like you play as a team enemy plays as a team one like the weakest link or one mistake and you're done do you remember how game five ended i do remember how game five ended because it was one of those moments in league history that you just don't forget the piglet has a chance to stay over that wall even unpeeled he can do some big damage eyes on him in these fights piglet is definitely in hyper carry mode right now but darshan wants to kill him that's a little ambitious thinking back to it it's like beautiful to like have that trust in each other that like i didn't even have to question it like if i made a call that like my teammate would trust me 100 i think that play like really shines or rings true in like our team and like the innovation that we had and the trust that we had in each other he can do some big damage eyes on him in these fights for sure yeah piglet is definitely in hyper carry mode right now but darshan wants to kill him that's a little ambitious he only thought it was one he had to have only thought it was one tp and he could exit that with a caliber net someone made that call i don't know who it was to this day i don't know who made the call they had two or three people dead and then darshan randomly said to tp i just trusted his call we can tp mid jay double tp mid all right you have ga right no no not yet we can tp now you want to it's already all right i just tp on the same minion as soon as i see tp i just clicked it he just clicked it yeah he didn't notice so oh my gosh i can't believe he didn't notice yeah he placed one trap i'm like okay he doesn't know and then darshan came up and then he thinks uh he's killing darshan and then he came out it was pretty funny it's pretty funny yeah i remember jake saying though oh yeah because jay jake was our no man like jake was like no don't do it don't do it don't do it don't do it and then we like oh my god i wish you guys throw the comments so funny because he's saying don't do it don't do it don't do it do we kill caitlyn he's like oh he's coming don't go in don't go in don't get him don't go numb okay you got him you got him nice nice [Music] machine amazing so there you go now i know the answer it was touchdown school jay gave the information too he's like i can t fee and then you said that let's double tp that's true so you're you're kind of running through all the simulations of what could happen and you realize like there's nothing this is ours like we won so that was it literally one kill on caitlyn was all that game needed yeah i think me and darshan was so excited and then everyone else was telling us to calm down yeah afro just like all right guys calm down i'm gonna tell you guys the story of exactly what's gonna happen so we're gonna do a then we're gonna do b and then it's gonna be okay because we're gonna do c he can do some big damage eyes on him in these fights for sure the piglet is definitely in hyper carry mode right now but darshan wants to kill him that's a little ambitious he only thought it was one he had to have only thought it was one tp and he could exit that with a caliber net here we go 12 seconds we want to go for the win to piglet may be able to end the game and punch their ticket to the finals 35 seconds on piglet clg may get the chance to defend that championship with two new members it means a lot to huhi it means a lot to stixxay to get that chance but it means a whole hell of a lot to the returning members to get back on that final stage counter logic gaming takes down team [Applause] liquid as soon as the game ended and i see darshan running at me and hugging me and other three teammates he doesn't know what to do so they they just hugged us hug sandwich so it just became a weird hug sandwich instead of a huddle but it felt pretty nice i think that play actually gave us a lot of momentum um the way how we ended that game the way how on game five we did it just gave us like a lot of yeah momentum going forward just feel like this team can't do anything wrong yeah just trust each other yeah [Music] all come down to this will it be tsm will it be counter logic gaming right now we are looking to crown the north american champion [Music] what do you think fans remember about this clg roster friendship yeah i mean i think a lot of fans would say is their favorite if not one of their favorite iterations of clg going in for the resets yellowstone another one [Music] you can just kind of tell when people get along together right you can see through the camera like the interactions and the comms and things like that and i think fans could see that these guys really had a connection [Applause] i mean winning always [Applause] you can helps the players but the face remains and they're gonna walk to their second consecutive north american lcs [Applause] championship it was just kind of what what it all built up through the entire split right like we we practiced really hard we did all these things that we thought would help us win the split and success like finally the i got the reward you know of it all they ended up going on a run representing north america further than i think we've been in a long time right or maybe the furthest up to that point and i think that speaks volumes to the ability of rebuilding in the right way that you can do it it can be done wrong in a lot of other aspects but i really do give kudos to clg for taking the risk putting their plans in motion and executing and getting the results teams envied what we had right i knew that like what we had was different and uh that teams can only hope to have that kind of connection and friendship and stuff when you have a team like that that can kind of like reach those heights you have a level of respect for these guys that will never go away like it's always there and uh yeah it's it's just different and i don't think anyone you know but those four players know what i'm talking about i think that that clg team is always gonna be remembered as one of na's greatest teams whenever it's brought up in topic of who's the best in a team internationally or in general i mean clg 2016 is always brought up like everyone always thinks that and yeah i i think it's a good legacy to have [Music] the clg number's advantage they're looking for faker they've got him council logic gaming story magnificent win for america a double kill for a hooey a kill giant oh i can't believe it i dread myself i never doubted her i never down enough people are always trying to recreate success right they want to bottle that magic but i think that's what's beautiful about teams and moments like that right you can't really know all the intangibles sometimes things just work well together when i think back on my fondest times on clg i felt like we really were a family when you have a real bond with your teammates and you care about them more beyond just being on the rift together i think that's when you have something special and i think that the 2016 team was something special you

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Reddit Comments

[u/SonoTabiNi]

i want someone to look at me the way darshan looks at huhi

[u/LimpCush]

When I watched this game live, I was going out of my mind. I have been a CLG fan since season 1 and I was so happy for them! Winning that split was really magical.

[u/CaptainCrafty]

I looooooved this video, but it had me wondering why Dardoch and Aphro weren't included. They would have had really fun insights on this series

[u/KurisuMakise-]

replay files is fire content 🔥 this is what the lcs needs

[u/fs1m]

I remember piglet carrying so hard this split, and this play was such a big moment I as a TL fan just sat there and applaud CLG for playing their minds out.

[u/ShortHairChick]

I miss this clg :(

The current clg just isn't the same.

[u/SolsKing]

Darshan's so humble 💙

[u/Bennyboozle]

Incredible content

[u/Tuft64]

I think teambuilding and culture is something that really gets lost in the shuffle when we discuss great teams in any sport or any competitive event. "Friendship" was a meme (and still is to this point), but I think it's seriously underestimated how meaningful it is to play for the people around you and how much of a difference it makes, and I feel like it's something that the LCS has by and large lost over the last few years (and something that I love about the current 100T core of FBI / Huhi / Closer).

I did competitive intercollegiate debate for four years (this was my last year), and for the first three years, the squad I was a part of was super-tight knit, we'd get wasted with our coaches and host boardgame nights and have mario kart drunk driving competitions, and hang out in the squadroom all day, we'd schedule games of d&d, and sometimes we'd ditch on practices to just hang out and blow off some steam instead. At every tournament, we were the school who would always invite other competitors to hang out and get to know one another after tournaments at our hotel, and two years in a row at our school's tournament, I hosted probably fourty people at the little house I lived in with two of my teammates at the time.

From the outside, people looking at us would assume that nobody on our team took the activity seriously, that debate was just a fun distraction for us, and that we were just basically a big group of friends who just did debate because it was a reason to hang out and get together. But we were one of the best teams in the country in our event. Across the first three years I was with our team, we won nearly half of the tournaments I attended, including a national championship. It wasn't just the same two partners doing it every time, either. I won a few with my partner starting in sophomore year, and two of my friends won three tournaments in a row as a junior. Another partnership of ours were the ones that won the national championship, and another one ended up making it to semis of that same tournament a year later. We were great. This last year, two of our coaches left to go to grad school. About two-thirds of the squad I was a part of graduated. And the program was basically forced to rebuild with only one or two debaters, myself included, in an era where debate went all-digital, and in spite of the fact that my partner and I were both really good (multiple top finishes, tournament wins, and individual accolades), we sucked this year.

Everyone we had come to know and love had already graduated, the coaches who had been the backbone of our debate experience were gone, replaced with two people we had never even met before. We never got to know any of the new members of the team because we couldn't ever get together and hang out because of the pandemic. We couldn't ever hang out, or have our board game nights, or fly to tournaments and get to know and befriend the people we were competing against. My partner and I just barely scraped by, qualifying to the national tournament, but instead of making a deep run into elimination rounds like we had done the last three years, we didn't even make it past the prelims. Not because we were any worse at debate, but because debate had become joyless, exhausting, psychically taxing, and frankly, it felt like a chore. So even though we had all the skills, and all the competitive drive and desire to win, we didn't have the energy to push ourselves across the finish line.

I think that people really underestimate how important morale and team culture is to being successful. For some teams like Team Liquid, it seems like it's a very professional environment. But for teams like the Perkz era G2 squad, or this CLG team, I feel like so much of their strength comes from players finding joy in the game, and finding joy in playing with one another, and it's something that I feel like is so often lost when talking about League of Legends. You can have a perfect read on the metagame, and flawless mechanics, and immaculate macro, and a strong mental, but if you don't find joy in playing for the people around you, and you don't trust your team, that you're not willing to sacrifice for them, no amount of success will ever be sustainable. People clown on 2016 CLG's friendship and trust exercises and shit, but I can tell you from personal experience that shit like that works to build a culture, and that culture helps to translate into growth, motivation, and success.