the problem with teen dramas

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hello my beautiful doves. my name is mina and i'll  be your host for today. so i was watching the new   gossip girl reboot because i'm hip. only the pilot  has been released so far, but i think by the time   this video will come out, probably episode 2 as  well. i'm planning to do a gossip girl dedicated   video once the season is over, but for now i  wanted to talk about a phenomenon that has always   kind of bothered me and it's something i was  reminded of while watching the show. and that is:   the representation of teen characters in teen  tv dramas. i don't usually watch teen tv dramas   to be honest. i think the appeal of watching  20-somethings engage in high school antics   kind of lost their appeal for me once i graduated  high school. but when i was in middle school i was   really obsessed with degrassi, glee (i know)  make it or break it, the vampire diaries... "nutrition is abysmal at this school. you know what this is?" "toilet brush." teen wolf, i also watched a little bit of  the secret life of the american teenager and   pretty little liars, but i wasn't  like a dedicated fan for those ones.   i actually didn't even watch the original  gossip girl when it was airing and i   tried to start watching it about a couple months  ago, and i've been chugging along with that one.   i want to watch it just because i know  it's like a cultural touchstone. but   it's just a little bit difficult to get through  now in 2021. as a middle schooler i think i was   definitely more impressionable when it came to  teenage dramas because i wasn't in high school   yet, so my perception of what high schoolers  looked like and acted like were entirely based   on these tv shows. now that i'm older, i know that  these characters do not look like they're 14. they   look like they're 26 and that's because most of  the time, the actors who play these characters are   in their 20s. so today what i really want to talk  about is adult actors playing teenage characters   and how that changes our perception of  what content is or isn't appropriate.   there will be some spoilers for the gossip girl  reboot pilot episode and pretty little liars.   i'm also going to be subbing in the word "snacks"  occasionally instead of "sex" because youtube has   censorship issues even though everything i say is  fully educational. so i just don't get in trouble. first i want to address why adults play  teen characters to begin with because   usually the reason is not actually sinister at  all. according to casting director todd thaler,   "it's all because of the labor laws. the number of  hours that children are allowed to work are highly   restricted, which limits the amount of time that  producers can actually have adolescents on set   in the end. many casting directors choose to go  with an 18 year old because they can be on set and   working for say 16, 18 hours," there are of course  some actors who are under age. molly ringwald for   instance was 16 when shooting "the breakfast  club," but that's because director john hughes   thought she was the best fit for the role. i am  totally fine with adults playing teens. i prefer   it as we've seen from countless tragic stories.  a lot of child stars get abused or groomed in   the industry so by casting more real-life  children, it's also exposing more children to the   predators in the hollywood machine. but i do  think that there are some issues that arise   from casting adults as teenage characters.  teacher-student relationships are unfortunately   a fairly common trope. we've seen it in dawson's  creek, one tree hill, the original gossip girl,   riverdale, etc, etc. these relationships  are obviously bad. they tend to romanticize   a completely inappropriate age gap and power  dynamic. i've always thought this trope was   extremely weird even as a child and i struggled  to grapple with who these relationship dynamics   are supposed to pander to. even if the intended  audience is supposed to be children, then that's   extremely gross and irresponsible because it  feeds them this idea that it's totally safe   normal and even aspirational to bone your teacher.  and if the intended audience is adults, then... 911 what's your emergency? the reason why tv shows get away with this is  because all the actors are adults. so obviously   when we're watching a show that visually portrays  two consenting adults, it raises less red flags.   these shows also tend to cast young attractive  actors who are close to the same real-life age   of their students. so yeah, if you see two people  in their 20s hooking up, it looks totally normal,   doubly appealing if they're both attractive. but  we have to keep in mind that these characters are   teenagers, so they can't consent to relationships  with adults, especially ones in positions of   authority. teachers and 18 year old students  should still not be in relationships because   there is still that power imbalance and that  makes these relationships unsafe for the students.   i've seen some people say that when it  comes to explicit content and teen dramas,   like euphoria or skins, that it's okay because  it's real and students are sleeping around, even   with their teachers sometimes, and we shouldn't  censor these experiences. to an extent i agree.   but at the same time, can we really say that a  relationship like ezra and aria is realistic.   for those who've never watched pretty little  liars, ezra fitz is a high school english teacher   and aria montgomery is his student. they meet at  a club outside of school and hook up and when he   realizes that he's her teacher, he still continues  to encourage this relationship. aria's parents,   who become aware of the relationship, start  off angry but then grow to accept it, and then   if it couldn't get any worse, ezra is outed  as having a past of predating on young girls,   and the pair get married in the final season. the  framing of the story is so irresponsible. i'd be   upset personally, but i could maybe tolerate an  incorporation of a teacher-student romance if,   and only if, it was criticized in the show, framed  negatively and if ezra went to jail at the end. "it's what she deserves." what parents be okay with their 16 year old  daughter sleeping and having a relationship   with her english teacher? and also, ezra and  aria didn't even get married in the books.   the writers just threw that in because a lot  of fans were shipping it. and that's already a   huge red flag, like if people are romanticizing  and supporting this kind of relationship, then   you've done an irresponsible job as a writer. but  that's not all. they sold official merch t-shirts   that read "i heart mr fitz" on them, like i cannot  even fathom how genuinely effed up you have to be   to sell shirts promoting to underage girls.  the new gossip girl reboot also really bothered   me with its representation of teachers. in the  pilot episode, it's revealed right away that the   teachers are gossip girl, because they all peaked  in high school and desperately need therapy.   but something i noticed immediately when they  introduced the teachers is that they're all   very young. i mean tavi gevinson, who plays  the main teacher, is 25 in real life, and   jordan alexander, who plays one of the students,  is 27. if the teachers and the students are around   the same real life age, it feels like the  teachers have less authority and makes it   seem like they're on equal footing with the  students. thankfully, i think most people   in my twitter feed still question the ethics  of teachers cyberbullying their students. but   imagine if the teachers were in their 40s or 50s  or 60s, which is honestly the age range that most   of my high school teachers were, it would just be  so clearly inappropriate for them to be spreading   rumors about their students and taking photos  of their students changing. yes that happens. "i should be arrested."  "they were standing in front of a  window. anyone could have seen them." another downside to having adults play teenage  characters is that they have adult bodies,   and that can create a complex for teens watching  who are comparing themselves to these people who   are fully past the age of puberty. plus  you know how the hollywood machine works.   99% of the time, the main characters are played  by conventionally attractive people as well.   so not only as a 15 year old are you  comparing yourself to a 25 year old,   you're comparing yourself  to a very hot 25 year old. "game changer, archie got hot. he's got abs now." barbara greenberg, a clinical psychologist and  teen and family expert, says that by casting adult   actors to play teenagers it can give the message  that teenagers are supposed to look good all the   time. "in reality some days they're thinner,  they're a little heavier, they have pimples,   their hair is a little frizzy, it's all okay." so  when actors look good in every scene and in every   episode, it can make teenagers feel self-conscious  or alone. but again, just because an adult plays   a teen character doesn't mean that this has  to be the outcome. framing is once again such   an important part of writing these stories. i  would argue that a show like riverdale really   emphasizes the actor's maturity. the characters  are dressed, dare i say, not like teenagers.   granted, i've only watched a couple episodes of  riverdale, because i really could not get along   any further. but the way that betty and veronica  are styled makes them look like adults. and it's   really important for the costume designer, to  nail the characters ages, because you're already   hiring older people. and if you dress them older,  then they're not going to resemble teenagers at   all. they're going to be bad representations of  teenagers. i was watching sex education for the   first time a couple days ago. it's a tv show on  netflix and it's amazing. i absolutely love it.   i thought the costume designer rosa diaz did a  fantastic job dressing the characters, because   the actors are all in their 20s, but they dress  like teens, and therefore look more like teens.   eric wears a lot of mismatching patterns that  reflect his fun personality, but also show that   he's still experimenting with his style. he hasn't  gotten things fully figured out yet. there's also   a great scene where he runs into an older black  gay man and then a following scene where he copies   that man's style, because he's impressionable  and a child. otis wears pretty much the same   color blocking jacket throughout the whole show  because he's just a white teenage boy who doesn't   really care about fashion. a lot of the characters  wear training bras and unsexy childish underwear,   rather than you know, victoria's secret lingerie.  i'm not saying that all teenagers dress really   young. there are definitely teenagers who wear  iamgia and who like wearing skimpy outfits, but   when the actors are older, it's important to  dress them on the young side to compensate for   that age gap. a teen coming-of-age movie that  i think did a really good job is lady bird.   saoirse was i think 23, so clearly over the  age of a high school senior, but you know,   she wears a pinafore over a t-shirt, a look that  is very young. her clothes are kind of perpetually   disheveled to show how she doesn't really care  about anything, and then it's only at the end when   she goes off to college when she wears a blazer  and looks more put together to show how she's now   an adult and taking her life seriously. but an  interesting detail in this movie that i didn't   even know until i looked into it is that during  production saoirse ronan actually said she had an   acne breakout. and the makeup artist asked her if  she would be okay letting her acne show. and she   said yes. saoirse said, "i thought it was a really  good opportunity to let a teenager's face in a   movie actually look like a teenager's face in real  life." and the director of the movie greta gerwig   also said this: "all i see in movies about teenage  girls is they have perfect skin and perfect hair,   and the reality of teenagers is, they don't!  and it doesn't make them less beautiful." what i'm mainly trying to get at is that i really  wish adult actors were dressed and presented as   teenagers in these tv shows and movies. because  when they just look and act like adults,   it gives the impression to teenagers, that they  should look and act like adults themselves. when   there's no representation of what teenagers  actually look like and act like on screen,   that can lead to something called symbolic  annihilation. symbolic annihilation describes   a situation in which the absence of a certain  group from mass media depictions implies that   members of the group are so lacking in value as  to be unworthy of representation. this is why   it's really important to have strong minority  representation in film and tv, but on a more   general note, not having realistic depictions  of what teenagers look like, aka with imperfect   skin and imperfect hair, in the media can make  a lot of teenagers feel unworthy or not normal. i actually took a survey on my instagram asking  people what they thought about sex scenes and   teen dramas and an overwhelming majority said they  didn't like it, they thought it was too graphic,   too voyeuristic, or too glamorized. and i kind  of took that survey just to see what other people   thought about it to see if anyone thought the  same thing as i did, and they did! i have those   opinions as well. i also specifically wanted to  see how teens reacted to this, because i think a   lot of adults, including myself, kind of forget  what it was like to be a teenager watching this   kind of content. one 13 year old said, "it's so  stupid and overrated. it puts such a bad influence   on girls my age." a 16 year old said, "it sets  fake expectations." and a 17 year old said,   "it's too perfect, not very realistic at all,  especially when it's the character's first time." i think it's kind of harder for adults today to  really understand what teens are going through,   because media has just gotten a lot more  risque than when even i was in high school,   which was like six years ago. developmental  psychology professor beth daniels says,   "if you think back to the first run of  90210, the majority of the characters,   while they were in high school, were not  having *snacks* and yet today, we see shows   where it seems like the characters are not only  sexually active, but having multiple partners,   and that's incredibly uncommon for teenagers.  when i read that quote, i thought immediately:   gossip girl. and look the original gossip girl  was definitely raunchy, i'm not contesting that.   i believe it's implied that chuck had a threesome  in the first few episodes, but in saying that, i   still felt overall there was still a sense of teen  awkwardness in the show. blair was waiting to lose   her virginity to nate, her long-term boyfriend.  dan was also trying to plan out the perfect first   time with serena. granted, i didn't finish gossip  girl, so i don't know if it got raunchier and   is gonna make me look bad when i publish this  video, but at least in the first season, there was   no graphic *snacks*. this is compared to the pilot  episode of the gossip girl reboot where audrey   and aki are already going at it like bunnies. no  problem reaching home base. a lot of the *snacks*   on the old gossip girl were implied. the screen  faded to black. it was just off screen in general,   which is generally what i prefer. like i'm no  prude, i know that teenagers are sleeping around.   but at the same time, do we really need to see it?  does it serve the plot to see it? and some of you   may be thinking, why should we censor *snacks*.  it's normal human behavior and censorship and   uninformed education is why children get into  dangerous situations to begin with. for one,   everyone says yes, teens are all sleeping around,  but that's not actually true. at least in america,   the majority of students are not sleeping around.  the centers for disease control and prevention's   youth risk behavior survey (that was a mouthful)  found that from 1991 to 2017, the percentage of   high school students who'd had intercourse dropped  from 54 to 40 percent. "in other words, in the   space of a generation, sex has gone from something  most high school students have experienced   to something most haven't." so i think when it  comes to portraying teen antics in the media,   it's important to show a balance of narratives.  yes, some kids are sleeping around, but also some   kids are not, and both of those decisions that  these kids are making are totally normal and   totally fine. but when every character in every  teen tv show is drinking, partying, doing drugs,   having sex, it creates a sense that this is the  norm, which can make a lot of very normal high   schoolers feel very abnormal. and secondly, a  lot of the *snacks* portrayed in these shows   are extremely unrealistic and that could also  be harmful. this is one of the problems that   came about with the sex positivity movement. this  movement really prioritized embracing your body,   destigmatizing sex and kinks, and empowering  women in the act. and those are all really   wonderful things, but the problem i think  can be summed up by this one article i read. "the movement placed the onus on the woman  to defy her fears, instead of dismantling   the patriarchal and puritanical structures  that caused them in the first place. paired   with the absence of comprehensive sex ed  that's not centered around abstinence,   imploring women to engage in heedless  sex in the name of liberation   leaves young girls vulnerable to manipulation,  grooming, and increased risk of stds." a lot of these teen shows with explicit scenes  do encourage sex because they show it in a very   glamorized and appealing lens, but then they fail  to address a lot of things that teenagers really   need to know such as consent, sti information,  contraception, and even other things like   dysfunction, anxiety, and trauma, which are  very common problems that teenagers have but   never get any representation in these shows.  and i think that's all really dangerous,   because a lot of teenagers will just copy or  base their expectations on what they see on tv   as illustrated by the social cognitive  theory, which basically states that we   pick up behaviors by observing others. and a lot  of the times, what we see on tv is not reflective   of what real experiences are like. this is once  again why i really love the show sex education,   because despite the fact that there is a lot  of graphic *snacks* in the show, it's never   glamorized. it's always portrayed as being very  awkward and fumbly, because they're teenagers.   and honestly i cringe a lot when i watch  this show because it's just so awkward... but that's a good thing! that really is a good  thing, because there's nothing more concerning   than a show trying to make its audience get turned  on from watching teenage characters hooking up. "can we change the channels? i just really  don't think soft p----'s the right tone." and i think the *snack* scenes really serve  the plot. it's always shown intentionally to   illustrate a problem that a couple is having,  hence why they seek therapy. for those of you   who don't know, sex education is about a high  school boy whose mother is a sex therapist,   so he just knows a lot from living under  her roof and listening in on her sessions.   he opens an informal clinic at a  school where kids ask him for advice. "and it would have been inappropriate  if jackson had continued to make grand   gestures to a girl who made it clear she wasn't  interested. do you understand ian? no means no." there's just really good stuff all around in  that show. but enough hyping it up. unlike sex   education, i think most teen dramas like riverdale  and euphoria are tailored for adult consumption,   which is why the *snacks* are always so hot and  heavy, and why they feel more voyeuristic than   necessary for the plot. the problem here  is that teens like watching teen dramas,   so even if these shows are made for adults,  which honestly, i do think is kind of a strange   concept... to think that a show centering  minors would be aimed for adult viewers,   but even if the show is made for adults,  teens will still tune in. and i was really   thinking about that a lot, like the concept  of teen dramas being made for adults. like   we're seeing a lot of gritty teen dramas come  up these days: riverdale, euphoria, 13 reasons   why... and something that tv psychologist honey  langcaster-james said really stuck with me: "one of the things that we do with entertainment  is we gain mastery over potentially difficult   emotions. some people wonder why anyone would  ever watch a horror movie or a thriller.   why would you want to sit and be scared?  but there is an element of reassurance   and being able to experience those  emotions from a removed perspective,   and i wonder if the same can be said for teen  fiction. through the processes of empathy with   a character, you're experiencing those emotions  that were challenging, but now from this more   mature perspective, you're gaining an opportunity  to master those emotions that you once felt so   consumed by and now can have a more detached  and bemused look upon that time in your life." however for teens watching, that's not the same  experience because they're currently living   through it. and by showing a glamorization of  trauma or unsafe practices, it can lead teens to   mimic the behavior they see on screen, which would  inevitably bring them along a dangerous path. and   thus the sex, which is there for adult audience  tastes, can feel exploitative. one minor also   wrote to me, "i feel like teenagers are a fetish  for grown people who hate their early teens." all in all, what i would really like to see is  more responsible storytelling. i think as adults,   we can get our hookup fix with show-centering  adult characters. we don't necessarily need   to see any graphic depictions to appreciate  or enjoy a teen drama, and i wish networks   would understand this, or at least prioritize this  view. i don't really know how the industry works   in terms of that, i don't want to put all  the onus on screenwriters, but i just think   the entire industry needs to start prioritizing  the health of kids. screenwriters, hot take,   i think do have a moral obligation. and yes, art  is art, but does it really affect the art to just   throw in a condom? anyways, thank you all so much  for watching. let me know in the comments what you   think about this and i'll see you guys next time.  i hope you have a lovely rest of your day! bye!
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Channel: Mina Le
Views: 879,488
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Keywords: gossip girl, hbo max, netflix, teen dramas, riverdale, euphoria, pretty little liars, video commentary, film commentary, mina le
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Length: 23min 5sec (1385 seconds)
Published: Sun Jul 18 2021
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