The Prison Experiment: What Happened When the Bureau of Prisons Hired An Ex-Gang Leader

[Music] foreign how many people is it you killed again two two you were sent to prison when you were 20 for murder you served time in one of the most dangerous prisons in the country and then you kill someone else thanks man why did they let you out on parole because I've been a positive force for many years Dominic Henry or chip for short was convicted of multiple murders in the 1980s and sentenced to life plus 40 years but in 2016 Against All Odds he was granted parole shortly after his release the Federal Bureau of Prisons or Bop hired chip to run an experimental re-entry program there's never been done before and gave our cameras unprecedented access you were the first video camera that came into an institution in my career if you would increase their program you created if you indicate that chance probably gonna be alive man when we began this journey six years ago we had no idea where it would lead the program succeeded and then suddenly collapsed who who told you not to talk to us call me call me all our access had been revoked and we ultimately learned secrets about America's federal prison system which they never wanted to become public do you recall having a personal relationship is it so hard for you to believe that they were so afraid of you exposing stuff Congress was giving us another chance we don't have the option to fail the stakes are pretty high here if you put a step wrong you could be back in prison [Music] the Federal Bureau of Prisons or Bop is America's largest prison system they hold roughly 159 000 men and women half of federal prisoners will reoffend and return to prison after they've been released [Music] after 35 years locked away chip returned to prison a year after his release this time he's here to train prison leaders to run his rehabilitation program young men incorporated or why am I the answers of the program is prisoners helping prisoners the expectation is y'all get the resources on the compound with staff and the prisoners then y'all set the goals and objectives tip is leading leading tree class for the facilitators so these are guys who have influential roles in gangs and different groups in different communities he's got them on board in order to lead this program over the next few months every prison offers educational classes but the people who need them the most are least likely to enroll ymi leverages the respect earned by gang leaders we're a gangs the automatically assume the negative thing you know but the game the game the men in this room have long sentences for crimes ranging from armed robbery and murder to running some of America's largest drug trafficking organizations these leaders help reach younger prisoners with an ingrained criminal mindset the goal is to teach the skills needed to prevent them from cycling in and out of prison why would you want a gang leader in your program it's going to explore the program my response is the church is for the sinners and it's something about the youngsters them guys want to be led when they see men standing up right leading something all of them come at the table and I've been able to be exposed to a group of men that were all about helping me and empowering me who had my respect already it would have made a difference there's never been anything like this I honor and appreciate you coming in here to give back to us thank you so much my first impression of Dominic Henry he was a con man Tracy Longacre started as an education specialist with the Bop over 20 years ago at first I was very apprehensive about it some staff thought that all they're doing is they're trying to recruit the younger inmates in into their their gang life and he was not a good inmate and when they said that he had killed other people in the prison I was a little leery of him originally convicted for murder in the 1980s chip was considered a terror inside he escaped from one prison and after being sent to the United States Penitentiary Marion a super max prison where the federal government held its most dangerous felons he stomped a rival to death I met Dominique Henry he's just coming out of Murray and in the control unit you know you hear that you know he's been doing bad things throughout the system yeah he's a real deal but also he always knew how to connect with the different races you know back when we had came in the system racism was real strong especially with the earning Brotherhood and the DC blacks when things would happen or were about happened they wouldn't talk to anybody else but chill good time chip began to see Heinz could be a tool not only for peace but for rehabilitation how do you change your mind like that going from having multiple murder cases on you to wanting to begin a program in order to try and help other inmates can you tell me how that got started when you see people go out and come back it does something to you I'm seeing guys you know coming back to prison kill somebody got killed went home got killed killed somebody we never learned how to bridge that Gap between ourself and our community there was no other program that could accomplish that if it's ran right it would be three times more effective than anything else when I first found out that Dominic Henry was bringing in the ymi program and that Vice would be coming in with the camera to Cumberland I was in shock and disbelief the policy was cameras did not come in Period but our cameras did get in that's thanks to Judy Simon Garrett the acting deputy director of The Bop Judy believed in chip and the potential of his program she hired him and directed Cumberland to run ymi and grant us access to film inside the prison Judy brought the program in because of her position she wanted it to happen she made it happen and at that level she's the one calling the shots the rest of the staff they were not on board for this if an older inmate is working with the younger inmates they oftentimes think it's for nefarious reasons why are we giving them the special treatment but there was a lot of positive response from the EMA population at Cumberland as the ymi program progressed Talib Shakir who was convicted for second-degree murder began leading their re-entry efforts from inside crime is a result right of what lack of Education poor choices poverty in order to stop crime you had to what build the community that's how you fix the problem this is what makes this program beneficial because you're learning the educational skills that you need to go out and fix the actual problem of crime [Music] a lot of people can relate to me and my story my background my history so I think that's been an inspiration to a lot of the younger guys when you have that credibility that you're a man of your word that you have disintegrity that you haven't violated these offenses then people look at you with respect so you abide by the prison code and therefore a lot of people respect you 25 years in prison in itself uh ways has a lot of weight with it you've done 25 years in prison 25 years how old were you when you got in here 17. uh August this year I'm going off for parole it'll be the third time going on for parole I'm looking forward to that what happened the last time you're not for Pro they didn't think that I was uh had served enough time on the sentence so that's what happened hopefully this program actually helps me Talib is preparing himself and the younger inmates to one day re-enter Society but some of the facilitators like Kevin Jones Bay are participating without any hope of ever walking free how long have you been inside for 7 403 days I've been in the same cell since 1999. how did you end up here I was convicted of drug trafficking and what's your sentence life without parole what makes you the right person to be facilitating this course I mean people will be watching this they'll say you've performed some terrible crimes otherwise you wouldn't be sentenced with such a harsh sentence yeah you know argumentum ad hominem you know logical fallacy so old that it's been given a name because I am from where I'm from because I've been through what I've been through then I am uniquely qualified to be the one to help you see it would be very difficult for you to get through to some of these young guys I can get through to them because I am them they trust me a lot of the guys they're getting involved in the program or they're facilitating the program because they have a feeling that it might help with that sentence for you that might not be the case you might not ever get out of here right what will it mean to you to see this program succeed I'm ashamed of my past Behavior it's not a reflection of my family and my upbringing and I'm determined that it isn't going to be the Legacy that I leave for generations to come okay I would rather all memory of Kevin Jones be cast into the abyss of Oblivion then be remembered as a drug dealer this is my opportunity to ensure that [Music] I know the Hopeless and despair when that compound I know what that is I know how that pearlizes it paralyze me that Journey that I had 35 years this is what this is all about because just think about it man it's never been done before I'm gonna take this energy and build this so this compound can be as you say liberally [Music] what was it like when you first got out and you saw the world like you know how you go to a movie you see a Star Wars first came out and you go see Star Wars the first time in this life it's just it's just so amazing you know see people everybody would sell phones you just one thing that stands out when I left the street young women it was pretty much young women young women today they are so aggressive I mean they fight more than we do that's what you noticed yeah feminism happened women's rights happened you missed it [Music] right here what happened here the first one of the case I got this is where you killed someone yeah right yeah and what happened right here Nico's mother she used to like to walk down here because this was a a pretty decent neighborhood he said what happened she came back to me she's she said man let me see your gun and then my mind style breaks and I still start examining saying her clothes so someone assaulted your girlfriend at the time find them immediately and I stopped he looked at me exactly that he said that I just lost went back to what God got my gun and pretty much the biggest mistake of my life it's been one whole year of planning and recruiting back in Cumberland prison chips ymi program is now in full swing we're about making Community leaders okay so each one of you will return to your community as a leader we had 150 people show up for the first day the officers they thought it was a riot time in that learning style next they're paired with a mentor short time goals is try to successfully get my GED how many kids you're here I have more members who have not completed their high school education enrolled in a GED program so they can obtain their degree as they progress the recruits are then sorted into groups a vocational group utilizes the trade skill classes provided by the prisons entrepreneurs take classes from fellow prisoners with real world experiences in fields like accounting real estate and finance hair trans mutual funds insurance companies Ras these are called traditional investors what this is all about now is how to fill out this element called a resume all about transformation when I leave here I have something to bring to society it's just like what the Joker said in Batman where do they get a load of me thank you waimai's recruits have lived a life of crime for a long time as they train for the job market the cognitive group are also required to take classes that force them to reckon with how their actions affect others all of our rules and regulations have been dependent upon anti-social Behavior what we call Street Justice most of our Associates and friends in the past have always been from that world how do we let that go in order to get anywhere with this program you have to first understand what empathy is that's the first and foremost you have a single cell the boss come in and they move a homosexual in yourself we don't discriminate right and we empathize with people as facilitators how do we deal with that man well I can empathize with anyone if a person is a homosexual a rat or a snitch um a pedophile or anything like that hey hold on a second because I don't want you lumping homosexuality in with criminal activity right that's the first thing okay every person has the right to representation period these are serious issues and that's why the chairman brought it up I had a situation myself a guy came in and they put him on the top bunk and he was you know he was gay and I didn't have a problem with it and yet some guys who I know some younger guys they hurt him bad and they thought that they were doing what I wanted them to do you gotta challenge yourself you got to challenge those ideas of how do we see somebody in terms of his sexuality or or it's past Behavior you got to challenge your morals and your principles that's the Crux of this program always step out of our own shoes and put on somebody else's right then we may see okay you know what it's not as easy as I thought it would be but if you're not going to be real with yourself to ask yourself these hard questions how can you affect change keeping the ymi program running is to have a regenerative structure where members are promoted as others are released so they're preparing to hold a debate to elect the next generation of leaders the debate is our former way of bringing in our next why my president and why my vice presidents they're gonna take over our position soon Mr G Williams Mr D Williams no relation we followed the presidential candidates as they met with their mentors ahead of the debate you don't have no kids do you so you don't understand man just not being out there with them this hard one when your daughters ask you man dad is you coming home today or or can we stay here with you but they don't understand it it really hurts me man I gotta explain to them daddy made a mistake I would just ask you to be aware of this word I made a mistake mistake you know you don't Dodge out you don't cross your teeth it's a mistake but as long as you keep seeing your actions and your behaviors as a mistake who's to say you won't make it again and again and again you gotta understand in life you make choices I had to learn at a young age that my situation is what it is because of choices that I've made and when you can understand the power of having a choice you can take ownership of your life you talking about leading why am I you're talking about leading the family tomorrow leaving a legacy behind and you having children you got to understand that man is this the Legacy you want to leave behind so this is something that you wrote for me right and it's um very emotional wants you to tear it up and I want you to let go of the baggage the guys in the program they respect you but you're not approachable you have a wall around you you know what the facilitators said about this debate that's coming up everyone felt that you would make the best president for why am I but everyone felt that you would lose the election it's because of the things that are in that letter you're carrying around a heavy burden in order for you to be what you're capable of becoming you have to be willing to allow yourself to be vulnerable so this is just a symbolic Act right you tearing that up you've taken your lesson from it could you read it or could you read parts of it I can choose to look at myself as a victim or view myself as a survivor learning your father was murdered at the age of six by the same people who you thought were the good guys the police to research the facts that 20 years later and learn that his death was rude a Justified homicide [Music] by the time I was 12 I was granted the opportunity to put a gun to the face of an attacker I was then a smoker a drinker a dope boy I was like what did I have to lose now I sit making sense from my mistakes trials and tribulations I be damned if I don't make this work for my children I want my legacy to be plentiful and my reputation to be empowering and my life to be influential [Music] it took a bit for me to try to grasp in my mind how good could an inmate teacher be in a class as it started to progress more and more I could see that there was Merit in the program the guys that went through the program they they get a different attitude and they start seeing it is possible for them to be a gang leader and to also have finally found empathy Dominic Henry was for real his heart and soul were in the program staff that were able to see the program you were able to change their minds and they started to see the benefit of it what's the Henry's vision already has a blueprint set up for us it is the day of the presidential election for this program Gregory is busy prepping for it this is a huge deal not just for these two candidates but also for the future of the program you can tell mcgregory's a little nervous thank you let's give a round of applause for Mr D Williams a round of applause for Mr G Williams what can you convey to the inmates who believe why am I is just another con game and to the current and potential supporters who would pledge their time and resources to young men Incorporated first of all why am I is not a game matter of fact one of our objectives is to de-glamorize the game my job as your president is to help you out as much as possible you know me relaxed cool collected and unlike my opponent I'm approaching 2007-2008 out of those who graduated a hundred percent of the people never came back to jail you still think it's a game with me being a president I promise you man make out proud okay okay unapproachable okay can I hear I'm mad con game who's being conned why am I receives no incentive you know I can go and get my GED 25 dollars I could take a drug abuse program get thirty dollars this ymi program it's all from you ladies and gentlemen this is prime time proof check it out life Plus 40. if he can do it why can't we he's walked our same walk he has worn this very uniform we got to put in that necessary work man so we can get to where we need to be to see this world as a better place [Applause] foreign [Music] [Applause] I would really hope that you would join me as my vice president [Applause] I love him to death but I'm glad he lost the reason why I'm saying I'm glad he lost because from this situation the prediction that we're in being incarcerated most people think that we've lost but it's from right here that people achieve that that aha moment and they become great right here they leave this situation they become great fathers they become Leaders with their entrepreneurs [Applause] hmm all right yeah I'm cool where you going I gotta take this this I gotta take the loser bro home now I gotta take this journey I have a voice man I take this journey now you know Journey with Johnny take where you going you gonna cry I might I might I might go might send me a tail or something I can't shed in front of the front of the man why not you you that's that's a mad thing no it's not that's a perception man crying is a reliever Point Blank I've been in prison 26 years you know I get to the 17 year mark see the parole board I do all the right thing when they gave me that piece of paper they said I had to do five more years right what did you think I did you think I turned my head I didn't give a damn who saw me crying because that was five more years of my life that was going to waste in prison and I went to my men and I cried and they understood me because had I not had those people around to to let that emotion out with right ain't no telling what I would have done that don't make you less of a man what make you less of a man is when you don't address those emotions and you go out on the compound and do something stupid when my father died this last on his dime bed I'm on a prison phone on a prison phone crying in front of a bunch of men you think I can this is the most important person in my life die so man don't never man feel like you that this is some soft or this should make me less than a man if you feel that emotion man let that go that uh that other this jailhouse this image this person of this would it take to be man this don't count for nothing in the world man you can't teach your kids this don't I hate I hate I hate to hear that I've been in prison long enough been alive in the world you think I give a about who see me crying who don't see me cry real talk I don't ever do that don't ever do that don't ever do that now after being denied paroled twice and serving over 25 years in prison Talib was once again eligible for parole we obtained the parole commission's recording of his latest hearing 2013 that had not finished over time what's changed since that last determination [Music] no matter how good that is so I want you to have to do with you choices and we also have the Stars involvement that's liberated the extent behind the program is to recruit the work of the worst and change their frame of thinking to where now we've got the sign that for every class in the education department if it weren't for his leadership of it it would not be the success that it is two months later we returned to see if Talib would be released foreign [Music] February 28 2019. after the service is 303 months so they've given me parole uh I said I wasn't gonna do this oh oh man y'all want to see Williams cry we all got to act like I was denied all right [Music] what's up man seat man it ain't work out God stop trying so much man they gave to me slow um they gave it to me man this is over [Music] I'm happy but at the same time I normally some good member my family but I really want you to man carry that Banner I want you to hold it together I want you to keep this thing running why am I you know it's a platform it allows to be human and I think that's something you know you don't get inside of prison it's the end of something but it's the beginning of something I haven't met anyone who came into prison as young as you did who only talks about the things that he is going to do for others like I told you from the beginning you're younger than I am right but I will follow you anyway [Music] Talib been granted parole was around the radima of an illustration of success for Chip's ymi program itself but just as momentum was growing we heard news that surprised us chip had suddenly been barred from entering Cumberland prison and the program itself was falling apart [Music] we're on our way to meet Talib who is staying near here at a halfway house he's just recently got out we were supposed to actually film his release and then we heard that all our access had been revoked so we weren't allowed to film his release we weren't allowed to go back into the prison to film anything about the progress of the program but hoping to get some clarity with Talib [Music] good to see you it's been a while you all right welcome back out all right Talib I'm gonna need you to direct me do you know how this works yeah I haven't done any driving yet so right now so how long have you been out for now this is this is the third week it's weird because it just went from one day your whole life is just preoccupied for being in prison wanting your freedom and then getting it the next day and as soon as you get it within an hour so it's like it never happened who told you not to talk to us staff the prison style prison style they pretty much knew that I would get the information that they didn't want us to have was the support for the program suddenly pulled yeah like overnight pretty much one day chip was here the next day he wasn't so it was obvious that it was something going on with him they kind of took his contract from him and so Chip is now not allowed into the prison no he couldn't come here as when I left he was officially done with do you know what's been going on what's been going on well allegedly there's some sexual harassment uh allegations against one of the uh the records or acting director or something essential office that Dominic has filed against her and who is she I met him once Judy well it was Judy who got us inside the prison in the first place to film the program she's the one that brought her attention to the program right she was the one that told us to come and film this right in a strange turn of events we learned that chip had filed a complaint of discrimination he alleged that acting deputy director Judy Simon Garrett the very person who paved the way to bring chips program to federal prison made romantic advances on him then became hostile and threatened his work chip shared Judy's text messages with us of the love she has for him how her position at the Bop can help him and eventually the anger she feels towards him they also include a photo on stage with attorney general Jeff sessions and a selfie of Judy laying in a bed she said listen you frustrate me and confuse me and make me sad but the fact of the matter is I really do love you I've spent weeks trying to convince myself not to but it isn't working what was that about we're nice to greet her guys to call her sweetheart how you know we'll actually do that but it wasn't in the realm of me trying to pursue a relationship and if I really wanted that that type of relationship I could have had it and we wouldn't even talk about this did you sleep with her at one point she sent you a message saying how do you just stop communicating with someone you supposedly love this message implies that you told her you loved her yeah I told her that I love the fact that me being able to give back to my comrades I love the fact of the things I was allowed to do but it wasn't love what she wanted had a chance to do it all over again I would probably do it a lot different but I just came into the real world and you know like things are moving kind of quick I'm doing what I'm doing I got these people helping me this and that yes yes I love you chip says he never had a sexual relationship with Judy but things undeniably got weird this is one of all one of the spots she used to tell me about I had to bring this because at the end of the day I want people to understand so she gave you this bottle yeah with a note inside it yeah love you so very much I love you for who you are who you've been and who you will be I know your real life is just beginning and I hope I have the privilege to be with you every step of the way as you make history you are my one in a million the second most powerful person in the Bop hand gave you this message in a bottle yeah so we're trying to get hold of the woman herself Judy Simon Garrett to see what she has to say about actually addressing these claims of sexual harassment the chip has filed hello hi this is Isabel Jung calling from Vice how are you good thanks we were hoping to have a chat with you um I mean partly about the program because obviously you're the one that brought us the program in the first place and made us aware of it and partly about what's going on with Dominic chop Henry I have no idea what's going on with him at all I haven't been involved with anything with the program in a very long time well so obviously we weren't able to continue filming the program and then Dominic chip Henry is um has made us aware of the sexual harassment allegations that he's filing I don't never seen any allegations filed so I I couldn't speak to that certainly after chip filed his former complaint why am I unraveled an investigation was launched into both chip and Duty The Fragile support that kept ymi running was gone and the prison staff who didn't want to empower prisoners to begin with also pulled their support it was very difficult for me to sit back and watch as an educator a program that was making a difference to just be ripped away that's where you really saw the impact where these guys were kind of lost they had had a purpose they had had a focus they had a mission and then it was just taken away from them and they were just left with nothing it was shut down and you just kept your mouth shut just let it go it died to slow death you never challenged Judy Garrett because she could make or break you she could don't worry about ever talking to me again after what I have shown you in terms of support you want to accuse me of some yeah let's see how things work out without my support she says here I can assure you you won't be doing any business with me and the Bop and that's you know uh retaliation Judy declined any further requests for comment and rejected our reporting there's always this idea that you are you're from regardless of how successful you become in life you can never outrun being in prison being incarcerated for a black man to come for these allegations there's always this doubt why would this white woman with this stature find this black guy of this stature to be worth anything and for him to not capitalize on that what is he up to good afternoon chairman Gowdy and members of the committee I appreciate the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the operation of the Federal Bureau of Prisons Chip's complaint was not the only one being filed against Bop officials reports of sexual misconduct and cover-ups by Bop staff and Leadership had got the attention of Congress we're about to go into this hearing by the house oversight committee where they're set to address some of the allegations of widespread misconduct and mismanagement within the vop which suggests that some of the things that we've been uncovering could be much more systemic and a much bigger problem than we initially thought when you come across an agency that is so problematic such as Bop what is the solution it appears to be one of the problems in real prisons it's a culture that's allowed some employees a handful to do whatever they wish what percentage of employees that are investigated end up with some kind of action taken by the department many of those individual investigations don't result in any kind of sustained findings if you're found to commits sexual harassment of an employee never mind an inmate the outcome of the private sector is you're unemployed this is a discussion this isn't a this isn't of if we get findings of that you're unemployed the program yeah I'm not going to answer questions I'm terribly sorry just about like the young men Incorporated program that we've been following with Dominic Henry I just wanted to ask if that has anything to do with the sexual harassment allegations so we're always happy to take questions to our office of public affairs um if you give me your card I'll be happy to pass it along okay thank you nearly a year later in 2019 the office of the Inspector General released a summary of the investigation launched after Chip's filing of harassment it found that Judy had lacked Candor during her interviews regarding her relationship with chip she'd also engaged in a separate inappropriate sexual relationship with a Bop Union executive that included the use of a Bop issued cell phone to take and send sexually explicit photographs Judy was subsequently fired but a long-standing culture of tolerance for sexual harassment at the Bop remained when you see people abusing the inmates or you read things in the paper about officers having relations with this inmate or that inmate people are reticent to speak out in public unless they can get some protection because of retaliation it could end your career you may not go anywhere I mean there is an unspoken rule in the agency you mess up and you move up because you want to get them out of your department so I'll send them to somebody else we're really in a crisis situation in the agency with Staffing and monetary issues and I think we've gotten away from the core principles of why the agency was established and to begin with and what we're supposed to be doing three years later the bop's director resigned amid widespread misconduct and Colette s Peters was named the new director do you acknowledge that you know there has been huge widespread issues of abuse of misconduct across the Bop yes is there something about staff at the Bop is there something about the system in which it operates that has allowed this kind of behavior what we've found is that individuals were inside of a culture where they were expected to keep the machine running not share their problems with their chain of command I have said again and again gone are the days when we protect people or institutions when you engage in that type of behavior you will be fettered out and you will be held accountable I would love to see a culture where every single person in our care and custody felt safe and better work environments for those people that work for us and better living environments for those that are in our care and custody that seems like a very idealistic portrait that you've just painted I mean what is at stake here if the prison system is not changed I think we're in a unique moment in time with a new director I feel like Congress is giving us another chance members of the media are giving us another chance to really prove ourselves we don't have the option to fail so from as far back as 2017 we have been actually following a program called young men Incorporated this program gave the prisoners power to run the program is there any program like that at the moment in the federal prison system not that I know of um anything that's similar to that but I do know that in my experience those programs that are peer supported are more likely to be successful the research will show you individuals who have a shared life experience often are some of the most effective individuals at helping others change you know I feel like there's a lot of people who will just think you know lock them up throw away the keys let's not think about it right right we have engaged in over incarceration in this country to the degree that it knows No Boundaries no socioeconomic boundaries no cultural boundaries it costs over a hundred thousand dollars to reincarcerate someone and another victim's been created so if you are an individual that's listening that thinks we should lock them up and throw away the key then what about that next victim we have to do better in Corrections and I think we can five years after Talib received parole many ymi members have re-entered Society including one man we never expected to see on the outside hey good to see you it was good to see you Kevin it's been a while yesterday and I didn't know if I'd see you out in the in the world I don't expect to ever be out Kevin got a second chance after the first step Act made those convicted for crack cocaine sales eligible for a retroactive sentence reduction [Music] Chip's company re-entry consultant Services is running a form of ymi for the community out of this Baltimore office what's been going on what's uh what's new in your life our work has transferred through the streets and this is what this office is about so you mean you're going out into the streets you're finding gang leaders in the streets and you're getting them involved in your program are you inside state prisons at the moment that's the dream is to have the program in the state system and the federal system so the last time we spoke the whole situation with Judy had kind of exploded the program suddenly stopped overnight I mean how do you feel about that whole situation it was very difficult right for the program one day to have been to have had everyone on a high and when it didn't continue you know it just confirmed everybody's fears it was too good to be true one thing I would say that um I would like to thank Judy um because at the end of the day if it wasn't for her this program would have never got his legs and Company you see everybody that's involved doing big things look at these men all of us did extraordinary lepretime and all of us out and are successful and giving back in a meaningful way this is one of the best programs in America and dealing with returning citizens just look at the track record what do you think needs fixing in the Bop they do not believe in empowering prisoners to run anything you know if I could speak with the director I would say take that chance you have to be able to find people like Mr Henry was while he was incarcerated if you can find these kinds of persons if you can identify them and put them in a position and have a program that's as comprehensive as ymi is if you're able to do that you can change the entire culture of a prison I don't believe that that the system changed us I believe that we change the system I would just say you know take the risk the Bop allow a space for me to be the best person who I am uh and who I've always known myself to be we may the bop be the best that the Bop could be question Society forgive people like you Society doesn't have to forgive me but they do have to deal with me because I'm here most of these persons are going home someday these persons who you think you can't trust are gonna be your neighbors the person who works at Walmart or the person who is driving a lift or an Uber you're gonna meet again how do you want to meet again if you didn't create that program you created right now and you indicate that chance you'll probably be alive man thank you bro thank you the program fell apart will you look into you know the potential of reinstating it absolutely we can definitely talk to the team they can give me a briefing on what the program was about and we can look at the pros and cons of free instituting something like that [Music] not going to stop him just because this program went down you're not going to stop it Dominic Henry will find a way to make this program work [Music] I know my purpose is to do everything I can to help them guide us it's my Redemption it's I think what I was created and I'm not going to stop Dominic Henry how can I help

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