THE NEW SMASH BROS MELEE TIER LIST

all right let's let's get this Taylor still on the road 2023 controversial melee 2 list everyone say hi YouTube hi so melee is definitely one of the games of all time but it's been through many iterations out of all the games that ever existed melee is definitely one of them but I think with the Advent of ranked every character is now being pushed to the Limit more than ever before more than ever before so I present to you the 2023 melee tier list uh let's start with the obvious there is a there is a few tiers in this game but we're going to call them top high mid middle Low Bottom and La Mau I'm pretty sure with six tiers it covers everyone ah this determines basically if you were to use if you're the you know top tier player top 20 in the world and using this character to its absolute best ability where would you put it uh it's right there okay all right uh there's some Givens there's some Givens that are obvious first given and it's gonna be at the best character in the game is you guessed it Fox McLeod and again I know a lot of you a lot of people watching this are going to be people who are familiar with the game I know some viewers here as well who have never played it so I'll make a brief has most options of any character incredibly fast one frame shine which leads into combos uh multiple ways to recover extremely powerful kill moves finishers up Smash Up air very fast lead options incredible good let's play out of Shield off everything that you need it's there and fox arguably beats every single character in this game or goes even with them I no longer think Marth beats Fox I think it's actually even anyway uh he's number one the second best character in the game would be North Marth even though these two probably go even best range in the game best grab range recovery Mix-Ups Tipper is actually insane uh can reach well above and well below him down till up tilt grabs combos zero deaths uh pivot tippers which are now a new thing as well too uh dancing blade which leads to up tilts it can kill you in any direction um one of the best way dashes in the game his Dash back is just pretty much unbeatable uh the down air Spike which you can't recover from everything that you need in a character's kit he has and he's there and he's present obviously top two follow that up with the third best card in the game which is Falco Falco while slightly worse than these two amazing Laser Play best product on the game which is a short hop laser basically it plays the game for you in so many ways again insane shine which leads you up best double jump in the game best spike in the game one of the best out of Shield plays in the game um incredible back here incredible down tilt really good jab uh insane up tilt uh insanely strong forward smash very fast strong down smash uh and uh yeah best Shield pressure in the game too and a side B which is recovery is his recovery is supposed to not be as good as Fox because it's shorter in both directions but as cyber's actually faster and upbeat actually kills you upwards if you hit but so it's kind of there really no no no no overly losing matchups maybe maybe Marth beats him uh Fox [ __ ] goes even to me till the end of days maybe Marth beats him but if that's like people discuss it all the time too anyway very very good yeah that's what it is the fourth best character in Super Smash Brothers Melee is not buff because it's chic chic is the fourth best character in this game I'm happy that someone finally proved they can win a tournament with it I honestly Sheik is the first character where you start getting into the category of lopsided matchups but if I'm being honest Chic puff is not nearly as lopsided as they make it seem puff Falco I think Falco wins like slightly like one percent but it's very close Chic um obviously loses to Fox and Falco but beats Marth um loses to Puff but only slightly I think it's that crazy and invalidates a lot of other characters and validates half the entire game it does very well against Falcon does very well against a lot of people does lose to Isis does lose to Isis which is uh one of the losses like I said below the top three it's where you stop getting right there too but she doesn't suffer the issue that puff has and you know what Puff's issue is you want to know why the sole reason Chic is above puff more than anything fox fox is the best card in the game he's the most commonly used car in the game he's a character that dominates The Meta he's in every single region every single scene every single Branch every single ranked local Regional National whatever you want to call it Fox is present there and Fox's Puffs Force matchup whereas Chic while losing the fox can still contest Sheik does better against Fox and puff does and if you disagree you are incorrect and stupid but puff unsurprisingly uh is the fifth best card in the game also in top tier and uh yeah uh Jigglypuff my main uh you know she's got a lot of things in this game that are uh that she does the best arguably the second best downbeat in the game after Fox shine with rest one hit KO best recovery five jumps best aerial drift best back air in the game um insane setups you can land rests as well too the best let's play sunless best let's play you can do you can play defensively as you like you can dominate the pace of a game at least you're not as long as you're not playing against Fox which is a little bit different too um uh so I think these top five is really not that controversial especially given the results in 2023 and 2022. um now that more people are familiar with the matchups I think this is pretty fair um and when it comes to the top tiers I do believe this is where I rounded out unless of course you let me cook a little bit because I think there might be one more top tier in this game played at the top level that it isn't as good as these five characters but I've seen enough the only issue is there needs to be more representation the sixth best character in this game and not to make everyone crazy is Yoshi and I only believe there's one player there's only one player that has figured it out but if we're talking the player the character played at its absolute level it's really not that controversial Yoshi won three super Majors last year do you see what he did to Mango's Fox to my puff to Zayn's Marth to jamuk Chic did you see what happened when played perfect perfectly of course of course yes better than Falcon and Peach yes until amster leveled up the way he did I would have never said this but now I've seen the light I'm letting you know there's only one guy doing it and if you're talking about oh there's not enough reps apart from two cent getting top Edge Genesis I was the only [ __ ] doing with puff for a long ass time and you guys put you guys want to put puff number one in the game when it was just me doing it so give me a [ __ ] break with that all right right after Yoshi we put captain and Falcon again I am at least putting it one tier below I'm putting it one tier below uh Captain Falcon obviously absolute gorilla the character insane kill potential fastest run speed in the game and insanely fast uh Ariel's dare some of the best Aerials in the game um best follow-ups tech chasing you know it's definitely a high skill ceiling to what you got to do and you need to have faster I can come sure to play it but wizzy was one knee away from being number one in the world ranked in the summer until he caught my backyard in his face so um after Falcon uh also in high tier I believe it's fair here to put Peach of course Armada proved the absolute with this country could do la does it as well definitely has some lopsided matchups against puff Fox a good Fox can bully the [ __ ] out of peach but a peach can also bully Fox if you play it really really well um but it's tough because there's something there's certain things you have to go up and doing so but the Reps have done really really well too um and I also do think uh peach peach is definitely been shown to been able to win Majors only thing with peach similar to Chic is the puff problem very technical character you gotta it she's super easy to pick up in fact when there's beginner so the game when just say pick Peach and down Smash and figure it out and then you go along as you do it but super high skill setting for what it is I think Peach there is pretty fair High tier is not done yet though um I used to not have this character here but thanks to a s thanks to a slippery slithering man uh we have learned now that you don't really need a game breaking Tech to still have this character be absolutely phenomenal and in height here that's going to be Ice Climbers thanks to slug slug there's also been lunar dusk um and some other ICS that have really been doing well uh but to me thanks to handoffs and showing you know what the character can do when you really put in the time you get a grab you should get a kill slug was able to defeat Zayn at Double Down with No wobbling barely any grabs showing that the character's neutral is incredibly good one of the fastest way Dash in the game is literally two small ganondorfs hitting you damage output insanely ridiculous recovery can be really good mixing up with up B and side B um and I do think that uh I I do think that even a good Sopo can do pretty well so you still have like a second chance to do it and slug beating left in it yeah slug being left at Main stage I sees Fox is becoming harder and harder because Fox literally cannot touch the ground there used to be a thing where it's like Fox invalidates ices with shine you separate them but it's it's not that easy anymore it's not that easy I think that rounds out the high tier and now we can hop to the middle tiers um the difference between a middle tier and high tier six sandwiches and top 64 of Genesis what was the highest placing one super big coat yes I know survey Cody but the upsets do happen it happened once once name me another good Samus result another good a Samus that beats that beat a top 10 player 33rd good middle tier Samus thank you Samus is there very very good um but you know I'm not in this thing very very good but has a lot of trickle charge shot has a lot of tricks that can make it very very good hard to use top level insanely good down smash I will say that this character can match up check a lot of people more than anything and I think when it comes to actually ranked and unranked uh it's getting to the point where they're learning how to deal these characters too she does have one of the best recoveries in the game with bomb stalling with the tether with up B great out of Shield option can be very very defensive and I think actually this character has still not reached its Max potential then right after Samus you have Pikachu so you could you could switch the order of Pikachu and Samus been what it is Pikachu does have some reps ax of course being the biggest rep hasn't had quite the massive success he did back then but still managed to make a top ten and you know I kind of do want to flip them actually yeah yeah I'm sorry I I changed my mind I I changed my mind I was thinking about play since last year I think about matchups um ax Tyler Swift um among others it's not what no no it's it makes sense [ __ ] Pikachu makes top eights way more common Ralph than Samus way more common Samus extender that's your reason for Samus being my Pikachu guys Pikachu can beat foxes doesn't beat but can beat foxes can beat Mars arguably beats Marth Falco not Chic not puff but can deal with Yoshi Peach Falcon and the results prove it as well too and then on the box the character gets unlocked even more insanely fast recoveries and at the same time time I will think that Pikachu over time will only get better and better and better because people are going to deal with speed in better ways speed is super important offstage game it insanely good up smash strongest in the game threat to any character when played correctly after Samus also in the middle tier there's a character that I think still has not been fully unlocked okay A a character that I think truly truly truly um could go even further than what they're currently at it just it just the Reps it's like we we didn't consider Yoshi until we had an arm so this character needs an amster this character needs someone took really [ __ ] crack through and understand it um and I actually think that character is Luigi followed directly by Dr Mario the two plumbers are next to each other on the tier list it's insanely close friends especially I think friends with Dr Mario has proven exactly what it can do so good just not quite at the height of Samus or Pikachu whereas Luigi even though his recovery gets snuffed a lot some of the more recently great Luigi's there was a player named um Abate who really made me think Luigi was better than Pikachu at his Peak there hasn't quite been an Abate yet since that Abate was a lot of people considered the greatest Luigi play Walter I think he is the greatest Luigi player of all time fifth place at Big House five absolutely insane someone can do it someone can figure it out yeah he took fifth at Big House five players like mad Tyro um sidward players like um there's just ones that come to mind when I play them online where I'm just like this character is [ __ ] insane so uh yeah you guys could all name some Luigi's in the back and in your mind that have been you know making people scared in the region adding Mexico of course I I do think the kid can be pushed even more and I have him edged over Dr Mario from the sheer amount that more Luigi's have been present uh regard and when it comes to the middle tier for characters that are as good as Pikachu right as good as Pikachu's Samus Luigi duck not that level but in the same tier so okay here here's here's how I draw the line here pretend Summit had a low tier tournament right pretend someone said hey we're gonna invite all the top players they can only use low tiers so here's the question which characters would be allowed and which characters would not peel right Mewtwo would be allowed because we all know Mewtwo colloquially as a low tier same as Roy same as link but you know he wouldn't allow I wouldn't allow Ganondorf and I wouldn't allow DK if you ask me this this to me this is now the hardest part of the tier list right here because defining a character as low tier is tricky um and if this line right here is a thick line but then if I put if I was to put gandorf here that also insinuates that gandorf is in the same tears Pikachu which I just I can't do that so we're gonna do this we're gonna make a tier called ganondeer I I truly honestly do believe this truly and there's three characters in gandorf too it's kind of funny and I'll explain in a second let me cook all right okay let me cook God holy [ __ ] well the stove is on this I'm burning the sauce chill thank you a new tier just dropped tell your friends buckle up at scanter and this tier exists three characters that are truly the line between viable and not viable in fact to this day we can't decide if these characters are viable or not it's just a weird thing you can't call middle tier but you can't call them low tiers either so they're [ __ ] here okay so this list begins with DK DK is in limbo at all times there are so many new DK players that that make upsets you have you have you have Wrangler nearly three owing lesson and then just getting eviscerated by a Chic reminding us why he's not a Bible character you see what I mean that's like a perfect example you have a keyer getting top eight but also comedy Mars it's there's always an if it's always a stipulation I think putting him in this list is very very fair um you've got also in this tier Ganondorf to No One surprise he's captain talking with everything shittier slower but more powerful has a really really good up air huge but slow hitbox behind it um can kill most characters earlier than anyone else in the game uh and he match up checks a lot of people but if you know what you're doing I do think like literally like I do think this is literally like Puff's best matchup of all these characters I think puff Ganon is like 80 20. if you know what you're doing like I I just there's just nothing there's nothing you can do if puff lands two upbears below you the game's over that's it he's gigantic he's floating he can get up air six times in a row then bare wall of pain with the slowest recovery it's just but Ganondorf Marth kind of cool Ganondorf versus some of these characters kind of neat so yeah all right so um results tier list man it's almost as if results emulate The Meta of a character currently wow what a [ __ ] concept Jesus chat of course he went up of course you look at tournaments why the [ __ ] wouldn't you of course that's like trying to find out what the most viewed twitch channels are on Twitch and ignoring the viewership numbers it makes no [ __ ] sense like what are you of course what else would you look at how good they make you feel how bad you are at the match-up what some guys said the matchups are shut the [ __ ] up thank you I think this list is very good so far okay so there's at least one more rep in the gandorf too I do think Mario is one of those reps he's the worst doc but clearly has some sauce very good forward smash aerial Mobility Cape grab combos he's kind of seen what scorp with mango can do when played perfectly gotta put Mario there Mario is there because he's not a low tier character I can't call him low tier character um and I think aklow one RR with link yeah Aqua didn't play Fox at all he didn't play the best character in the [ __ ] game at all however this is where I draw the line is Link in ganenteer or is link still a low tier I think I think I think we might need a we might need a link tier I'm not going to do that it's not a linked here with Mario inside of it the link Discord is here oh [ __ ] okay let me call the line the line is vague enough I have a link above Mario and I have Mario above young Link but I think Young link is still like a low tier that's the problem yeah I don't it's hard for me to consider link or Mario low tier but there is rocket who is a top 100 young Link but that's that's it I think aklow's accomplishments with link as a secondary far out Shadow Rockets main as young that makes sense so current is what I have and by the way there's also other people who cook with link online it's mainly online but if they had a chance to go to more tournaments guys like tpn guys like honeybee uh if they could do it it would really impress people anyways I think this is fair or honey bear honey bear okay press one if you're still alive you're still breathing we're still okay we have you haven't you haven't called a lawsuit yet okay I'm trying I'm trying my best here let's finish the list also in low tier right after young Link or above young Link I forgot about the only because not the best loads here there's two characters in front of him above young Link in low tier and the best slow tier character in the game clearly is Roy clearly that's thanks to the results of don't test me showing exactly what this character is capable of doing I used to have Roy lower I am still to this day in awe I didn't realize what you could do I didn't realize how good of a character well he's not good of a character but how good is grab ranges how good is down till is and the Combos and juggles and sequences you can do with this character uh it's very it's very surprising one of the strongest forwards matches in the game one of the best down tilts one of the best grab ranges one of the best really good wave Dash too he's fast he's a fast Faller Marth with a with a backwards noodle sword and you have probably no surprise when I tell you that right above right before Roy right now is actually going to be Mewtwo so what does has been showing exactly what this character can do place it on the top of the European leaderboard and beating very very top professional characters taught up players Taj as well beating you Marth reminding us that the character still does have good matchup checks across the board not saying he beats the top tiers by any means but Mewtwo has just enough uh like slipperiness you know sudden kill power with Forward Air um Aerials like Nair oh he lost a few more never mind but he did scoop into the stages three times it was kind of [ __ ] point is in Europe we assume we can do I think Lefton is being Professor Pro before and and you have to know what you're doing there but he's still I think he's safely in low tier he beat Mango's dog chat shut the [ __ ] up YouTube still belongs uh right there in low tier I think it's safe as well you got young Link there too to young Link to me what Young links rocket is officially top 100 now with young Link I think uh rocket is the lowest tier main to make top 100 correct if I'm wrong I believe so so I think with with that alone you know there's there's an argument there as well too basically the closest character to young Link is game watch you can you can put these in the order that you feel is better you did have some really really good game and watch reps that have existed but I don't think the game Watch reps have impressed me as much as you know what Roy Mewtwo prove they can do in the right hands you've had a bunch of top players like like IBD don't play game and watch the thing is like every top player has dabbled in these low tiers right I have mango has Cody left and Zane plop you know they've all we've all dabbled in low tiers and the reason you hear about Zayn's Roy baton and leffen's Mewtwo a ton is because they were able to beat the most people and impress the most people in doing so I just fundamentally I think that uh like Mario just has more potential in these characters below just in terms of how he's designed but I could see Mario easily just being literally here in less than a year Mario I'm torn on I never thought Mario was great like at all uh it's just we just colloquially don't consider him a low tier and we haven't for a while is he just by design has more in his toolkit than a Roy or me too uh young Link is a great uh carpet character of course Armada used it against me to be puff specifically ax has done some pretty good stuff he's very fast though I think young Link and Luigi are in the same category where they need a good rep the line is exactly what it stands for it's a character that you can't decide if they're I mean DK Ganondorf link and Mario no one can decide if they're viable which makes it really fun so that's low tier and I think think that rounds out the low tier and I think now we only have two tiers left we have bottom and laughing my ass off actually I'm going to change the kick though okay um so here we go the best character in the bottom tier I think is Zelda I think Zelda is better than this might sound weird I just think Zelda's back here and Forward Air and I guess down smash alone are so insane I mean so [ __ ] insane it's a faster knee um and of course we're this is Zelda in a vacuum okay although it's on like Chic uses all the recovery I I always considered this as a Zelda in a vacuum if you don't use um recovery goes really far neutral B is a kind of like good get off me tool fair and bear kills so early um and we've seen every top player just get sunned by her Pharaoh bear it's in fact those moves are so good it those moves alone just put her better than this Ness Ness has the distinction of of just being better than the characters above below below him and being far far worse than anyone above him I love playing this I actually know a lot about Ness he has some cool glitches he has a cool Nair backers pretty strong dare hits hard Ford are very strong Ford air is very spamble PK Fire is complete trash down be as trash his recovery trash um his up air phenomenal back to really really strong again recovery [ __ ] trash trash recovery has to upbeat aim and prey but very easy to do it or if he had a better recovery he could be bumped up so high but it's just there's a reason no one plays him okay yoyo setups are really good too but they're very to it and double jump canceling it's good but his range is so small also one of the shortest grab rings in the whole game if this grab one's better anyway then you got Pichu lightest character in the game tied for the last character in the game with puff and Kirby very good Nair very fast but my God this character's range is abysmal strip worse recovery than Pikachu there's very few reasons to not use this Pikachu instead of Pichu the character hurts themselves for some weird reason so you can just can't beat you and then just wait for wait for peaches damage to rack up it's just funny it's stupid it's really dumb considering Fox up throw up air can kill Pichu at like 40 or like like 45 like it's already insult to injury that the character hurts themselves but I have seen I do think a character has some potential I do think in the right hands the character can be pushed at the most to the top of bottom above nest and Zelda because you can do some stuff with fair to up smash you can do some stuff with with uh with the Tilt some off stage play all right um and then the most uh jarring up into the tier list I'll say is the Kirby is the lowest character in bottom tier and Bowser is actually for the first time in a tear by himself I have I have toiled with this for so long Bowser is such dog [ __ ] I I don't what were they thinking yeah up we had a shield cool then what you get shine twice you're dead longest [ __ ] a jump squat what four smash oh yeah that comes out fast his throws they're not even kill throws there's so many things bad about this character can he take games or sets off people and locals yeah down throat doesn't even work oh I'll say the upbeat of shield and the Gap attack are some of the best in the game I will say that um and I will say if you open up melee right now and you grab the ledge and click jump he has an nil on YouTube story if this game was only a story if it's Bowser only on Yoshi's he goes here also that but FD exists so as it stands also do you like how nearly perfectly even the tears are apart from Keck W just saying it's pretty balanced um almost four characters in every tier and that's is where I do think the meta stands in 2023 Yoshi of course having the biggest rise Bowser is still the worst but I feel like he's he's uh in his own tier and um I put Bowser in the bottom tier I mean this that is symmetrical oh that is pretty satisfying that is pretty satisfying but he sucks everyone say bye you had a good old fun time uh uh and stay tuned because remember how I said that it was the final tier list on my YouTube for ultimate that was a lie so stay tuned

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Length: 28min 20sec (1700 seconds)

Published: Tue Feb 07 2023