The most beautiful idea in physics - Noether's Theorem

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As a personal note, while some would think that as a supporter of the EMdrive, I also deride CoM. Let me be clear, I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that CoM is practical, useful, and very pertinent to understanding the world around us. What I do believe with the EMdrive is that there is something new to be discovered if force is happening. Sorta like when chemistry had the idea of conservation of mass before the discovery of radioactive materials. Back then, radioactive materials would have been said to be a violation of the consevation of mass, until it was determined that the mass was being changed into energy. An update or correction had to be established to make it true. Thus the equations for consevation of mass for a radioactive material looks entirely different then for any other element, and should rightly be so.

Getting back to the point, CoM is elegant and very much a useable law, but can it be said to be based on everything that can possibly happen in the universe? No, it can't. Mostly because we as humans don't have access to all known systems of the universe just yet. Does that mean we might find reasons to modify? Yes. Does it mean we might have to understand a system better before we list there is a conflict with CoM? Yes. At present we lack enough information to state either way, which most detractors use as their reason to side aginst it and for some reason conclude that they don't have to do any experiments because of said lack of info. Which to me is like a snake that eats itself, but hey I guess that is why they call it circular logic. Does the statement of any CoM immediately make me doubt or state the EMdrive is automatically wrong? No, it doesn't, and won't until we have the validated experimental evidence to support or contradict it.

👍︎︎ 8 👤︎︎ u/hobbesalpha1 📅︎︎ Dec 27 2016 🗫︎ replies

The most beautiful idea in physics - Noether's Theorem

Richard P. Feynman: "LOL. It doesn't matter how beautiful your idea is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong :-)"

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/Zephir_AW 📅︎︎ Dec 27 2016 🗫︎ replies

Great post, don't know why it hasn't been posted before. Everyone should know this. It's a shot through the heart of the emdrive and one of the most important results in the history of physics.

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/crackpot_killer 📅︎︎ Dec 27 2016 🗫︎ replies

This is a good video that I've been pointing newbies at to cut-to-the-chase about the emdrive's foolishness.

It seems to be a good strategy. If people really understand the video then they will laugh at the emdrive of their own accord. It is very satisfying to save souls this way.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/IslandPlaya 📅︎︎ Dec 27 2016 🗫︎ replies

The Noether theorem is based on classical Newton laws (conservation of momentum) - therefore it shouldn't suprise us, that the EMDrive would violate it too, at least seemingly.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/Zephir_AW 📅︎︎ Dec 27 2016 🗫︎ replies
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What if everything in the universe was actually a bit to the right of where it is now? Or if this orbiting planet was actually half a rotation ahead? What changes? More importantly what stays the same? These seem like fun but useless thought experiments until Emmy Noether discovered, what I think, is the most profound and far-reaching idea in physics. Knowing what happens to a system under these imaginary transformations, gives us insight into the systems real behaviour. The usual summary is: symmetries imply conservation laws. In this video, I’ll explain what that means. We’ll start with symmetry. Normally we use the word symmetry to mean that if we took the mirror image along some line, a symmetric object looks the same. Mirror symmetries are pretty, but we can make the word symmetry mean so much more. For example rotational symmetry: when you can rotate an object a certain amount and it looks just the same as before, or another example is translational symmetry. In fact mathemations took the idea of symmetry and generalised it completely. a symmetry is anything where you have some sort of object and apply some sort of transformation to it, and you can’t tell the difference- in some sense. This might seem like they’ve taken a good descriptive word and then generalized it till it’s meaningless. But actually this idea is very useful. These abstract symmetries are a constantly reoccurring theme in mathematics - in fact, the study symmetry helped motivate a one of the most important fields of modern mathematics called abstract algebra. Emmy Noether was an expert in symmetry, developing foundational concepts in abstract algebra. It was during a small pause from her extremely influential mathematical career that she thought about physics. She wondered if she could apply the idea of symmetry to the world, and that’s what lead to her beautiful theorem. This is the symmetry that she considered. The object is some system, a part of the universe. It could be a thing someone is throwing. Or a particle in a void. Or maybe some binary stars. Or if you want, the whole universe. Then you transform it. For example, you could rotate it by some angle lambda. Or shift it up or down by lambda, or stretch all the distances by lambda. Now we’re interested in if the system is ‘the same’ in some sense. Noether decided the interesting thing to check is if the total energy of the objects would be the same. So we say that a system has a symmetry under a transform if the total energy of the objects didn’t change. For example, if I had a particle all by itself and then compared it to a shifted version, clearly the energy is the same. So this system is translationally symmetric. On the other hand, say there was a big planet near by. A particle that is closer has got more gravitational potential energy, so this isn’t translationally symmetric. Or consider this object orbiting in a circle, and compare it to a rotated version. Both objects are an equal distance from the planet and so both ways, they have the same gravitational potential energy. So this system is rotationally symmetric. So that’s the symmetry part of Noether’s theorem. Now let’s look at conservations. If you’ve ever studied physics, for example at school, you’ll know how important these things called conservation laws are. It means that if you have a bunch of things and you counted up their total momentum let’s say, then you let them go for any amount of time and counted the momentum again, it would be the same number. Technically, you can do physics without ever needing to use these conservation laws. But. Often they’ll give you some insane problem that looks like you shouldn’t be able to solve- at least not easily... But if you invoke the magical conservation laws your answer just falls out. Conservations laws aren’t just useful for classical physics either, they help out in quantum mechanics and really all of modern physics. I used to not like using conservation laws because they can make it seem too easy. As in, I’d get the solution with so little work that it really feels like magic and so I didn’t feel like I understood why it worked. After all, I didn’t understand why energy is conserved or why momentum is conserved, so if I used one of those to solve a problem then clearly I didn’t understand the solution Noether’s theorem is powerful because it explains where conservations come from. Let me go back to an example. I said that momentum is conserved. But this, is kind of not true not always true. If I choose my system to be a ball rolling on the ground, we all know that eventually it stops. Or if I dropped something, it gets faster and faster. Sure, if you take everything as your system momentum is always conserved, but how can I know whether a particular system’s momentum won’t change. Noether’s theorem gives us a simple way to know, regardless of whether the system is one particle or the whole universe. She proved that you only get conservations if the system has the right symmetries. Again, let’s look at examples. If you have translational symmetry, the theorem says you have conservation of momentum. We know that a particle that’s on its own has this symmetry, so it’s momentum is conserved. That’s true, it will continue on at the same speed in the same direction forever. If we instead had a bunch of particles by themselves as our system, this system is also translationally symmetric-if they all over there instead, that doesn’t change their energy. So again, Noether tells us we have conservation of their total momentum, which wouldn’t be that obvious otherwise. In fact, if we consider a shifted version of the universe, no one would be able to tell the difference and so there’s no difference in the energy. Hence the momentum of the universe is conserved. When isn’t momentum conserved for a system? What about this object that gains speed as it falls? Noether’s theorem says that this system can’t have translational symmetry, so let’s check. What if this object was nearer to the ground? It would have had less gravitational potential energy- Good! It isn’t symmetric. How about rotational symmetry? Like we said, this object could have been rotated here and the energy wouldn’t change, so it has rotational symmetry around this axis. We also know it has angular momentum in this direction, and that it goes at the same speed the whole way, so its angular momentum is conserved. And this is what noether’s theorem predicts, if you have rotational symmetry around one axis, then the angular momentum in that direction is conserved. One last example, this one is a weird one. We’ve talked about translating in space and in angle, but what about translating in time? In otherwords, you have a system doing something at the moment and you compare it to the same system some time later. If it has the same energy then it is time translation symmetric. What does Noether say is conserved then? It’s energy. I know, that’s a bit circular here, but it is more important when we come to quantum mechanics- so I had to mention it. Noether didn’t just come up with these three examples. Instead, she gave us a mathematical way to turn any symmetry into a conservation and vis versa. See these conserved quantities are called the generators of these transformations and you can calculate what the generator is for any transformation you come up with. If I encountered some exotic system and noticed it is symmetric under a transformation, there is a mathematical way for me to calculate what’s conserved. There’s also the converse. Say I notice noticed that some mysterious new quantity is conserved. Noether’s theorem says that conservation is from some symmetry, and the conserved quantity is the generator of the transformation, so I can calculate which transformation it is. That’s very powerful, but the theorem is amazing because it is just as beautiful and it is useful. Symmetries appeal to us, and seem natural. We think it makes sense that if the universe was shifted, or rotated that nothing should change, there’s no difference between here and there. So showing that symmetry and conservation laws are equivalent shows that conservation laws must be just as natural. Homework Let me know what you think of this idea. Have you heard of it before? Maybe you’ve heard about things like super symmetry in physics- try find out how that’s related. The version of Noether’s theorem I talked about here is the one for classical physics (including GR), only its much less powerful version of the theorem than she created (but I don’t understand that one so...). If you know some calculus and classical physics, try and find a proof of this theorem. And this is a fun activity, try come up with strange systems with strange symmetries- then see if you can figure out what’s conserved.
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Channel: Looking Glass Universe
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Keywords: Physics (Field Of Study), Emmy Noether (Academic), symmetry, Quantum Mechanics (Field Of Study), Noether's Theorem, Math, symmetry and conservation laws, looking glass universe, the most beautiful idea in physics, conservation laws
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Length: 9min 52sec (592 seconds)
Published: Wed Sep 23 2015
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