The JBP x Kevin Samuels Special | The Joe Budden Podcast

[Music] what is this yes microphone check one two what is this we are here on the off day let me tell the people how this came to be all right uh i dm'd you and i felt odd because there's a man he don't really dm men right right we don't dm men honestly nah but if there's a purpose here oh i don't still don't dm men but we got it off and i say yo man love what you're doing keep it up uh and we had that exchange and then randomly out the blue i said yo i'd love to have you and you just happen to be in the city in new york city that's right right right um and yeah we dm for business i'm good with dms yeah that's what it's like yeah i mean this is the uh it's about the third or fourth time i've been to manhattan in the last six months and uh probably back in a couple of three weeks but i wanted to make sure i got a chance to get by here because i'm about to do a lot of uh a lot more collaborations i had already done with no jumper about a couple of months ago um and the thing is i want to get out and talk to as many people who are not used to what i say because many people are getting introduced to me uh off of clips and they really and you really can't kind of gauge anything off a clip other than what they want you to get so i'm like well if you if you're gonna say something like i say even on my show you need to take it to as many people friendly or not and be able to have a conversation and if nothing else you get credit for at least showing up and having a combo so well i have to be honest with you i i've spoken to a few people to let them know that i was doing this interview some of them were women yeah and boy were they angry about it oh yeah oh they killed me they kicked my ass so i love you i i love everybody but how do you feel do you know that that that that do you know that that feeling is out there i know that feeling exists for a vocal minority uh what i also know is i get the videos of women saying thank you kevin samus for saving my marriage kevin sam is the reason i'm engaged and if you watch my show instead of the clips you'll see women all the time coming on saying you know what when i first heard you i know what to think about it but i sat back and i listened to it myself end-to-end when i can't deny i agree with a lot of things you're saying i've even tried some of these things and i'm a better friend a better daughter better sister a better cousin a better wife a better girlfriend my current generations my future generations thank you so uh i'll take any of the critics because what they don't do they don't come and actually con talk to me when i have my smoke show i open it up at least 30 to every 30 to 45 days and say and you have plenty of notice come on let's talk about it let's talk about it so you know i believe there's a there's a certain amount of people who are detractors and i also think my name is kind of popular right now so it makes for good clicks so but if you really have a problem with it let's talk about it and that never really tends to happen you got it what's your background how did you kind of get started into uh your your show uh well it's a long path um you could bear it first my background is pretty much this i spent most of my adult life in corporate sales uh that's how i actually got to new york city spent some time in advertising and marketing but the net net of it is as an image consultant i was finding my male clients when they were coming in getting becoming the best version of themselves they kept coming back with the same thing looking for looking for women women on my level my new level my adjusted level and i'm not finding any women who really are fitting what i'm looking for now see what we have been told is a lot of guys don't want relationships to marriage or this so that and that's really kind of the opposite what i'm but many of you guys are saying i'm trying to find somebody who wants to work with me and not wanting to be at odds with me so um i came onto youtube years ago speaking two men three plus years of videos just speaking to me no one cared but around jan around june of last year after i did a show that was almost like a line like a shark tank kind of show i started speaking to women because i've been speaking to women since 1989 back when we were doing these things on college campus we'd have these relationship seminars these dating seminars back with shaharazad ali's book came out and caused all that whirlwind we've been talking about relationships for the longest so just like anybody else i got a point of view and opinion and i just started talking to women about some of the things i've seen and a lot of things i'm hearing from men and that kind of caught a moment and of course one video got onto world star and it had some traction but of course you know the average of best video is the one that really blew up and i said you know over 200 000 that that wasn't about me that's about us that video did numbers that i've looked on their page and i haven't seen videos with eight years with that amount of views uh people were from coast to coast to contact me and tell me over the weekend they were watching the entire video and and having like loving lock-ins and having this conversation it started a conversation and my thing is it's actually started a conversation with women that men have always been having we had this conversation on the basketball court playing dominoes spades in the barbershop barbershop and when we can real and we can take them no cussing signs off when we can be men like we grew up being not these new uh grass-eating lions like we have to be today no cussing in the barbie shop you know we can't be men anywhere we actually say what is on our mind now the things that a lot of men are wanting are the same thing they've always wanted cooperation but that's what men across the board are seeming to get in in in diminished quantities and what we do here is we hear it all from one side from color purple to exhaling to everything else we hear what women want great well i have one question to the women what do the kind of men you want want from a woman and that's when you get cricket ass you can't ask that [ __ ] man could you give the man some credit for christ these lions listen man the problem is you used to could not ask because before i mean you know you guys are used to all this your artists musicians and everything else i come from the corporate side but one thing i do know 52 years old that if you needed to if you wanted to get out and speak to the public you had to go through some sort of fcc regulated something abc nbc cbs pbs if there was anything um and then outside of new york city you know am fm radio the media was controlled and the media's job is to sell advertising which i sold and if you don't have programs on during the daytime you better sell advertising to the people who you got to give them the program they want even gillette is gillette razors is sitting around telling a man how to be new kind of men now you got a men's product luxury men on how to be better men i'm like what a french what are the women's products telling women how about just be nice softer side of sears just be nice i mean so what we haven't done is we the the marketplace this does what it does if 73 cents out of every dollar is spent in this country spent by women you better give a marketing message to the people who spend the money that makes sense problem is we get an unbalanced um view of things and the net net of it is the modern dating environment is not working it's falling apart and people are not getting together here other places the hookup economy all these things are existing and here's the thing women are unhappy with the outcomes women are vocal about their out women have no problem being vocal about the things they don't like men have learned not to say anything you [ __ ] right dude some of me has to believe that you have to subscribe to some of the myths of the woman that you want to sleep with well i will say this men have learned that if i say too much truth i would be canceled i'll lose money i'll lose deals i'll lose this especially in entertainment so it becomes so it becomes who buys the concert tickets and the shirts and everything else so men in a business interest we're practical we're cost benefit calculators what's the benefit to what i'm going to say versus the cost now what's happened is i hate the term social media social media has happened um so it has democratized uh the access to the airwaves the smartphone and high-speed internet access has taken away the has has leveraged the power that the uh tv stations the cable stations the radio stations used to have you needed to go to them to build an audience now you can build your own audience and i just built an audience talking about the things that matter to my audience so now but so now they can't quote unquote counsel you as easy they still can but um you can still have different outlets there have always been men saying uh things that are kind of pushing the envelope um but now it's becoming i won't say more acceptable uh it's it's starting to happen with more frequency i'll say that okay i agree wholeheartedly anybody anybody in here familiar with jordan peterson no no dr jordan peterson dr jordan peterson he's a psychiatrist psychologist out of uh canada he made a big splash by rejecting a mandate from the from from the government of canada basically saying that you have to call somebody by their designated pronoun that they chose it wasn't that he didn't want to call them by their pronoun he just rejected to being the in the uh men the uh caught up the codification the qualification of speech he didn't want his free speech to be incurred upon so he became worldwide phenomenon for basically standing up saying you cannot in law tell me how i have to address somebody i can choose to do that or not he's never said he wouldn't do that he just said he doesn't want it to be law men like that um are starting he started a movement more or less i would say not start a movement he's he's caught a wave on the movement and he went from being really relatively unknown to in a short period of time gaining two million followers on youtube make earning like four or five hundred thousand dollars a month on patreon and he's a professor in canada and you know one of the one of the things that he said that slipped under the radar he basically told men to you need to go clean up your room basically saying men need to be men but what got him in hot water was the fact that he actually just said you can't tell me how i have to speak to somebody in law and however on the other side you have no problem how you speak to us and that's where we kind of are right now what most of my critics never say is what i'm saying is wrong they just don't like the tone the delivery the delivery uh or the harshness or something or or well let's be honest who the hell do you think you ought to even say something like that well to that you say what because let me tell you sir if i was calling somebody hey mom you built like emmitt smith it would i would i would have a left a long week i would have a long week would okay because you can't say that why but let me ask you this though no no no no conversely conversely when he's asking a woman that only wants a certain type of man what is your entitlement your personal entitlement why do you feel that you can get this if it was a woman saying she wanted a certain type i mean if it was a man saying he wanted a certain type of woman women will all come to the in masses and drove saying you don't qualify for her well why can't he say it and that's and that's the the doctor that he just referenced saying yo you can't tell me by law what i can say right they're telling him the same thing like you can't say that shoot i don't want no scrub scrub is a guy that can't get no love for me hanging out the passenger side of his best friend's right trying to holla at me women have no problem telling me what they don't want matter of fact they can become rich saying at all and if i just happen to say ma'am and i was wrong she actually weighed more than emmitt smith to barry sanders i mean and see the thing is let's flip it up women have no problem telling men under five foot seven i don't know i don't wanna i don't wanna i don't know short dude i mean think about on my show that women call into my show voluntarily they know what it is and they're calling in saying regardless of their situation i want a man who's making the kind of money to be able to provide for a family of two or three or better i don't want to have to work to pay significant bills and regardless of how i come to the table that's what i want and i ask why can't you just get an average regular guy all the time and how often do these women laugh so we have no problem when women are laughing at half the male population that's true when a man just happens to say you know what ma'am objectively you weigh more than a man at your height but but listen to this though now again kevin already said that he's coming from that corporate side we have this conversation all the time but what's happening now currently in entertainment the women are the ones that's kicking ass out here no not just entertainment the same way corporate america he just spoke about or the professor that's getting it on patreon the women have a lot of outlets to where yeah now we're reversing this okay so it's me with the bag no longer do i have to rely on you adhere to your rules your thinking your demands and that's why it's up and that's where all these phrases are coming from city girl summer wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait [ __ ] wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah so with that being said women are killing especially like kudos to black women they're killing corporate america they're killing all these entrepreneurial ventures they're doing all these amazing things right i disagree the numbers stay different from from past i say different okay i just okay that's the marketing the numbers say different um we've heard black women you're the most educated you've heard that right i won't say that but we've heard that we've heard black women are most educated you're the most enrolled see we we play slick and loose when we start let me say something set the table a man's past or a woman's past or her story is used to mythologize a man's past or his story is typically used to demonize the black man passed away stories she's quickly used to villainize you yeah so we can say women are doing this women are doing that they could okay then let's take that women are killing it i accept your premise they're killing it they're entrepreneurs they're business people they're moving and shaking city girls summer blah blah why i want it for you on some sort of psych man why are why is the weight of the typical woman up and why are more women today the most free the most liberated the most educated the more anything else the least happy of any woman has ever existed i can i can't speak to their they're not because because the things that typically make women happy are relationships they've calibrated they're the they're the social of the two and many women have all the things that on paper are supposed to make you happy but they don't have the relationship or the family and that is where this is all falling apart i mean you got to think about it if i was not saying something that makes sense well i don't have anywhere from 20 to 30 000 people watching consistently even with the women being so angry because what they're recognizing is something is missing when i used to have my mit my men in training seminars i would say guys the first thing i would do is take him to a city overlooking downtown i'd say gentlemen life happens out there number two words life is about people life is about relationships and one thing this coronavirus pandemic show to women in general unfortunately black women in particular is when you have shut the world down you shut it down you could not go to work many women had to look to the left to the right to the front and back and there was nobody there no husband no kids no family no network they're just sitting there and that gave them a glimpse into the exemption to their possible future all things being equal if you keep living the way you're living this is what it's going to end up being and it panicked people for the first time because it took an act of god to actually start this conversation that's when my podcast started picking up because for the first time men and women were at home men have always known this let me tell you just not to interrupt can i get some applause ask someone well as someone whose podcast was rocking before the pandemic boy was i'm mad at all you new flourishing get out of here yeah but yeah we'll hit the road listen to what he just said let me hit the round up like you asked i'm for somebody to now do some self soul-searching but but won't it always yeah but again for women that are speaking against him right the the court the corporate movers and shakers well and the funny thing is it's a it's a certain kind of woman it's loud it's typically college-educated yes mid-thirties uh and they realized that i'm generation x we i say we were lied to we were sold to bill of goods i talked about how cosmopolitan magazine marketed a lifestyle to women they wanted to be the playboy women i did a broadcast about that two months ago talking about the book subverted how they openly admit that we lied to a generation of women just to sell you products i don't begrudge us for how we got here but we got to acknowledge if one out of four of you in our community if one out of four women will marry anybody black women or marry anybody that means three out of four of you will die unmarried uh that matters once you are past hot girl summer and once you pass your earning potential once all that stuff is gone then what and see that's what started to happen and and it's all been conversation until that if you went to the grocery store in march of 2020 the first time i'd ever seen fear in women's eyes is when they were there because what i tended to see in atlanta in the grocery store i tend to see a lot of guys but unfortunately when i saw a black woman i tended to see her there no ring on and panicking no no no water no toilet paper i'm like this is like the real live book of eli walking dead this is what it looks like when they're meant the world that men built that you don't need stops running and i've talked i don't just talk about things from just a look standpoint this and i say okay many women don't really understand what they need a man for uh outside of provisioning and sex but the pandemic showed that you know what having somebody to to the right of you to help for many other things is valuable that's why this show was kind of picked up now who are the women who typically are upset one the women who typically know they're not trying to be anywhere other than a partner the word submission is a curse word the the word it's all these newfangled things um the women who tend to be making more than an average woman who actually thinks being with the man um limits her versus uh freeze her up i'm like all right and the net net of it i asked all women even you didn't want me who say don't like me are they coming into interactions with men in good faith or they're already coming in thinking that something's gonna go wrong or they're coming in with fear and scarcity and lack in their mentality is there any hope when you deal with a man or is it always i want a man who's this this this this this whole laundry list of stuff to where he's having to deal with issues traumas things that you've not resolved in your past and you take that to the next man and you say all right then what is he going to get in exchange for that me see i just think that everything he just said is applicable to both of them yeah it is i agree it is that that's like i'm totally definitely like listen a lot of my favorite restaurants they didn't make it out the pandemic they they make a lot of my a lot of my homies and what they did i was blessed that i was in a field where we were we were thriving so but yeah they was people was [ __ ] up out there so i saw a panic in the street i heard panic when my peoples was on the phone from both listen i went on i went on the internet and gave my money away i believe you but what he's saying is for these independent thinkers quote unquote that always tout that they don't need a man i don't need no man for this i don't need no man for that god just showed you yes you do well let's see do they really need them the difference is yes the difference is men have always understood that ain't nobody coming to save you anybody coming to save you the world doesn't care about your problems because all you got to do to see what happens to a man who's been on wall street and now he's living in the park we know that can happen to us right women of any society have been shielded from the from the from the harshness of the world well when you can't continue to shield women women from that then they have to start dealing with it you as a man know if i'm driving a car i got to be able to handle what happens with coming with this most people just call somebody i can pay back something's going to happen and and so what does that mean what is that just called yeah what's wrong with that we don't have watches watch this but that comes with a certain realization the point i'm getting to is that women men of a society have always known if you can't produce a cover for yourself the streets of the park is for you right women don't they will make a demand of society go to korea go to japan those are two countries that are dying their population is aging out people are being found living in their places dead for three or four days it's called kodokoshi they gave it a name because the people under 35 are not marrying and dating but here's the thing you have women who are pet groomers florists teachers that's not rich money but they make demands of society i you um i told a story the other day when i was broke in school i had to sell a textbook i had to go without tighten your belt men talk about we we we talked about how broke it was eating sardines and all that um cup of noodles you didn't want no sardines smoke with me but but i would when i actually started dating a woman who was in uh another school she was eating well shrimp crab lobster and everything else i'm like well you get all this man you broke food stamps he's like i'm a college student i can qualify for food stamps that never would have crossed my mind and go get food stamps because men accept if i don't have it i don't get it women have been shown that if i don't have it someone will do it for me i could i could do you know what for uh oh and it's like you know i had a program where i asked a woman and she's like no i was talking about survival and if you got and for the women who think i'm i'm full of [ __ ] go do this go watch go to amazon prime go watch bear grylls the island season two where they drop a group of men on one island a group of women on an island for six weeks and they gotta just survive by the end of day one men that got from one side to the other made a beachfront and start building and doing things thriving by the end of six weeks me and the damn they made the internet and and this is what he says i saw the interview in the fifth week by the end of week five for the girls by the way by the end of the week five they were still trying to lead by committee because no because no one they didn't want to be led by nobody yeah you know girls don't be like each other that's the point they have they have a system first thing you three three minutes without water three minutes without air three days without water three weeks without food women cut their water making ability in half because they didn't want to wash out a container because these were modern british women who have grown up not having to do anything except go to the grocery store this that you don't need a man in your house because you got 9-1-1 yeah but what happens when these systems stop working yes when there's no more so i will say this that men and women while we may have the similar situations men understand that i gotta get it out of the mud i gotta i gotta disagree with you a little bit though because it's a lot of women because there was no man figure there having to get it out the mud where where where'd they get where they get it from survival went they had to there was no such is what i'm talking about women with multiple kids that if they they don't bring it home the kids ain't eating so they're going to do whatever you're saying where did they go get it from yeah where's the where's they went out they say food where'd they get the food from well they wouldn't make they did whatever they had to do to make some money to get this food it's such as i mean listen from the top to the bottom they out there on the pole you prostituted yourself where did you get that money from you got it from a man yeah but some no women single mothers going all the way to the bottom this is what i see this is what it tends to happen i accept your premise but where they get it from because of what legally where'd they get it from work two jobs work yeah work a couple jobs what so you said it still comes from a man no no no no i'm not saying that because what i'm asking is were these women getting any kind of government aid sometimes yeah probably sometimes sometimes not that's a minutes no let's be honest you getting you getting whether you got section 8 food stamps it's still coming from a government which is the taxpayers of are men i know single mothers that don't receive moms okay we but still you women use the system more than men do so when we say they get it out of mud you tell me getting out of the mud on the other and there's the same mud which men would have to get it out of okay but that's not the woman's fault that wait so say wait wait wait hold on so wait it's not about falling i'm not gonna knock the women for that if it's not if he was a singer if he could try that like you said the the college students to get on food stamps no i didn't know because i don't because i don't because i know as a man that's not that's not what it's there for it's not to eat shrimp and lobster and crab but you not just that they're not as well this is what i'm saying this is what i'm saying to ice point i do know that this exists what what he's saying but like did you ever hear that that that uh there's a bit that says if white people could be dropped in any era and choose what what they wanted to be they would choose white because why wouldn't they choose white right all of this [ __ ] comes with being white so that's what i feel like with the women yeah all of this exists absolutely right but why would they ever want to change that that's like a superpower but then wait wait hold up let me answer you if i could just sit down and send my and and say something and then come to me now now watch this you can't pick and choose though when you want the best all the time so wait don't cut me off you know how many wait wait wait wait people going to the gucci store spinning their [ __ ] we just seeing it with these checks they're getting yeah [ __ ] just taking the checks and going to the mall i know because i think that's common hold on so to answer your question if you can't and that's the truth if you have an advantage it's not human nature to want to give up the advantage indeed here's the problem don't complain about the people who give you an advantage exactly because see i hear a lot of this women get it out of the mud and just so for and then i ask questions three levels deep and it all falls apart because it's like well they're really not getting it like like i'm saying they're getting it it's and it's different because the bottom line is men understand you have to produce men produce in mass women consume in mass of course we can find anecdotal exceptions across the board but in general i have a year worth of a show talking to women across from one thing to another and when given an opportunity women want men to be providers fine but are you the traditional women that you th but are you the traditional woman that the man supposed to provide for no and that's my point so my point i agree with you you can't pick and choose when you want and traditional old school guy my grandma my grandfather did x y z my grandfather provided and your grandmother shut up and took what came with that your grandmother knew how to cook a sweet potato pie you don't your grandfather so you can't pick and choose when you want to be a new ever woman and then when it benefits you be an old school woman you can't do that you can't say i want a traditional relationship over here when it's beneficial and then now you want to be a new age woman when it's beneficial you can't do that you can't say you get what i'm saying like you want to go out to one thing one thing that bothers people about my show is i'm just let i i talk to women who call into the show in real time i'm not just i'm not making it up you can go hear what they're saying and many women are like what are you going to argue with i had a woman 31 years old the other day talking about the same thing god gonna send me a husband god gonna send me a husband god gonna send me a husband then it turns out that you know it's up on my channel right now do you know how to cook do you know how to do this should i do that are you are you a christian wife because you talking about god with these long eyelashes and everything else and uh and it turns out that you said i'm a cooperative woman and i'm a christian but then when i ask you about your previous relationships you run the men off because of your mouth now that's not cool what we've been told is the problems and relationships the problems where we've been told and marketed to from color purple which was bs there was the controversy around the color purple at the time it released go look at it still on microfiche they said the impact that movies had on the black culture is rever is is is been catastrophic before 1965 we were made at a rate of 80 percent 80 the most married people in jim crow segregation and everything else but after that what do we have now we get color purple waiting to exhale then you know we mentioned uh brother tyler perry and all his movies we get a woman's side of it and it's always the man of the problems but there's a reason we always get the woman side of it no i said that this morning did i not it's always a reason i said that there's nothing that's tyler perry it's profitable i don't really like it it's profitable to women by the albums i don't really like women and i don't like that narrative that tyler perry preaches he's a black man you got to congratulate and appreciate everything he's done but in tyler perry movies if you watch most of the narratives the wealthy black man is the villain ain't [ __ ] yeah never he ain't [ __ ] he's not so the broke black man is the savior so it's dark-skinned rich black man abuser then light-skinned bomb blue collar yes not bomb but i love jesus gonna come and save and restore you you see the theme thing is all right so what we don't have is the other side of the story sister shahar razada lee in 1989 wrote that book the black man's guide to understanding a black woman she took a lot of heat for that and if you go back and look at some of the stuff on donahue uh geraldo she was saying some of the same things that everybody else in this country has had their behaviors and everything examined except in our community with our women the black woman black women have been held apart from the consequences uh or accountability for their choices you're free to make your choices you can want what you want but accept what comes along with it and this is why you know so many women are like who are you even say something now wait a minute you can talk about you don't want no scrubbing this and that y'all can say some of the most egregious stuff but if a man just happens to to speak a truth then all of a sudden he needs to be canceled he's satan he's a men don't like women i have i have a push i i i have a pushback for you okay what do you say to the women that have no problem with you saying the things that you say but that have an issue with you profiting from the things that you say that's ridiculous yeah that makes no sense it doesn't no yeah that makes no sense a lot of did the same woman have a problem with steve harvard he prophesied yeah so so again when you cater to them though they have a problem so so monetizing again this is a unique issue for a black man gordon ramsay can profit from calling you a stupid epping little monkey and have hell's kitchen simon cowell can tell you are you serious and they love him but if a black man see the rules for black men are unique indeed we're supposed to do everything and ask for nothing nothing yet yet um uh olivia who scandal and all these different shows they can profit showing some of the worst behaviors but he had to black woman or you can get up and pander to black women and tell them you know see nobody everybody talks about you've been divorced y'all don't say to steve harvey that's what i just said y'all a lot of them told me that you were divorced i died but yeah that's nice to tell people relationships but here's the thing when we don't like what a black man says then we try his past see nobody cares when you're saying what's what uh when you tell them what they want to hear and what does it have to do with anything two plus two is four i use a lot of facts data statistics that anyone can go look up themselves and that's what bothers them because it's not an argument it's like well we really do what what you know what the real party is they pissed cause i'm not on the i'm not i'm not kissing their ass and telling what they want to hear see if i was doing what everybody else did oh they would make me a multi-millionaire i don't need it no no no no let me give you one more reason they pissed two now hold on let me give it to you your your sweetie take they was on your ass which one which one you got yeah we call this six quarter six we call those six kind of adjustments adjustable six oh i missed the adjustable part adjustable six yeah but he's the same guy that brings beyonce out of eight don't stop ish i want to hear what he has to say about calling sweetie is six an adjustable six meaning she can go from cute to pretty but see when i judge women i don't judge them i judge women by the same metric uh this is where people get into the image consulting thing i look at you fresh face no makeup your natural state and if you have ever seen her pictures fresh face natural state she's a cute woman who can be pretty but i don't think she's ever going to be considered to be beautiful or gorgeous that does not mean she's bad but there has to be a what if she's already considered beautiful and gorgeous but strip away all of the accessories and you get what you get see if you go this is why when i use when i talk about a scale there's first off there are people who hate the whole notion there's a scale or there's a eurocentric standard debut i'm like look pam grier go back to the 70s pam grier he's an eight yes but she looks good but the thing is back then you would have seen someone like diane carroll she's up in that nine category dorothy daniels we've been up around that ten area there's always going to be levels to this but what women today are saying is they're all tens and they don't believe that they don't believe that but themselves listen it's pc if i have a if i because everybody got a platform today and if on my platform i'm a woman and i got 30 million people that if i say that wall is blue they're going to say the wall is blue with me then what the [ __ ] do it matter what else is happening in the real world right because that's all these kids are doing on the internet no that's not true though because then you get into a realism situation versus an idealistic situation so idealistically you can say every woman is a 10 every woman is beautiful but do you really go home because if you believe that you wouldn't be buying a shitload of makeup every [ __ ] day you wouldn't be take an hour to get dressed before you leave the house making up your face if you thought you were 10 already well that goes to my and that's the point i'm going to make because people say well you can't say this that would like if that's the case then walk out the house exactly if you think in your heart of hearts that you're a 10 i like to wear makeup guys makeup has always existed it does why did why when you go back in the 70s did you see women with minimal makeup they didn't even have veneers in this neck that was just a natural state there's a movie called i'm going to get you sucked so i'm going to get you sucker and uh what was that tracy what was that one like his name real thin woman i know seen you talking about yeah keenan ivory williams takes her home from the club and he's like well i gotta tell you i really don't have a 12-inch she's like that's okay my eyes aren't really green she starts taking her contact up and it was a joke because she takes the contacts off here a fake book and everything else that was a joke in the 90s haha no joke that's what it is today you walk around atlanta today and there are men dressed like women who look like women because of the excessive makeup the colored hair and all the long fingernails you're like okay this excessive adornment is for who it ain't for you you you you or me it's for them for them we don't like that men have been asking for women to have your natural look your natural hair your natural shape your natural beauty for the longest but they'll tell you we do it because you like white women or this that men aren't asking for this stuff men are men are not asking people who make middle income to spend seven hundred dollars on the lace front wig but in order to buy two thousand dollar shoes hold on one second but if you do it [ __ ] right i was gonna in here in there because i talk to a lot of women and and they'll say yeah you claim y'all like natural this that in the third but i like what you what pictures you like it on instagram i can i can i'm just saying this is their point now watch this out of all of the women that we know right and be honest here how many of them are getting a ring you got all these accessories you got this fat ass you got all this makeup is it really working not my place to say well what if that's not that's not my place no from your own observation oh i haven't been running around looking for that no but you know people that get me i don't know what i'm saying i'm gonna go back to what you said because this happens all the time women will say yeah you say you don't want one thing but what are you liking on this i am so damn tired of women telling men what we think and what we want you say what we want and you you know why this is because 80 of us was raised by women and we are so used to women leading us they think they own us yeah he's right and they don't that's true we're the only group of men that demure to our women go over to go over to chinatown and see if this should happen go over to the middle east go ask go ask muhammad or or ahmed they don't put up with this mess we put up with it because we have such an ir irrational dysfunctional reverence for women in our culture because we have a matriarchy to where we they try to make us question our own mind it's our fault though would you agree with that ultimately i will say that there is i want to be careful when i say with that because that's going to get misused there are some structural things that happen that okay in 1960s when the when the great society came in uh and lyndon johnson put in the great society they did not they did not expect to happen what happened go read the monahan report and monahan scissors they did not expect to give government assistance the food stamps to the black community and for women to choose the check over to men over the man they were actually confused as why this happened i was like wait a minute we thought we would give this to you for a little bit and then once you kind of got stable then you get backwards but no no no they took the benefit so is it the man's fault um that you were locked out of unions unable to get equal jobs and things like that no it's not their fault it's your ultimate responsibility that you were not able to provide for a family you have yet you can go look at it yourself prior to 65 we were married iterated 80 percent broke jim crowed segregated lynched everything else but we had us a community we had hbcus we had churches we stuck together we had black business we had black buses this stuff that but as soon as it came in when the women were given a choice far more chose this over the men and that's what that's the that's the original quote-unquote sin that we have yet to deal with in the black community that makes black men feel some kind of way and black women don't like to acknowledge the fact of that i have a question for you other things okay but are you taking that statistic of the rate at which black women are marrying right and saying they're unable to marry versus the modern woman today maybe just not viewing marriage the way she was brought up to view it one out of four 26 percent of black women were married the next lowest rate is 54 with white women still double double still double and if that was your mantra that marriage is not as important you wouldn't put the stipulation that i can only submit to a man that makes a certain dollar amount so you're open to marriage when a man makes a certain dollar amount but if he falls below beneath that threshold you're closed off to marriage but that's but that's all but that's only in the black community yes it's it's only for the last that's us because not only that's what it is let's go ahead and go all the way in since we're going there the stipulation is a black man has to be a superhero you got to be able to provide four or five times the rate of what any other man would provide and you got to be a sexual professional so if you don't have all those things you're not high value you're not quality and that's what my show is kind of showing it's let women say what's on their mind he does he asks you what's on your mind they answer them and then based on your answers he assesses the data that you've given him via his questions i don't know why they'd fall for some of them questions because they're speaking because they don't but again before they get tripped up they think they're they hold some i'm gonna get him i'm gonna teach him man blah blah blah ma'am he and man he don't and and to all the people that says he's harsh and brash i've seen enough of them where he starts off the interview mile manner respect i reflect what i get man exactly ma'am ma'am ma'am man please stop cutting me off ma'am you call my platform to get advice let me advise you a lot of the when he says something that they don't want to hear anybody know over 40. that's me okay um uh you like that go back go back to when you were 10 years old i want you to think imagine a 20 year old woman speaking to a 50 year old man you wouldn't hear the tone the the the way in which i see many 20-year-old women approaching me a man that's prepared no no in particular calling in my show talking to me like i'm your age i'm like well so there is no with some with far too many women there is no level of credibility a man has where he can't be checked see one of the things is what you tend to hear more often than anything else is why did you go on his show girl if that was me i'd have cussed him out see there's a problem women are we're a lot we've allowed one-way violence in our community for far too long one-way aggression see all these men in this room know that there are lines that we can't cross because [ __ ] this podcast we're gonna have to go handling business outside because there's a low-level threat of violence between all men women don't have that so they can say whatever do whatever be as foul as they want to because it's like so let me get this right you went into that man's place of business and cussed him out as if you could do something if you decide no there's no recourse because they assume because if you touch me then i'ma call somebody which is who the police which is a man yeah a man and typically is typically not and typically you're not expecting when you think about who's going to show up you're not expecting a woman to show up you're expecting a man to show up and let's be honest most expecting a white man to show up i'm like you've got to think of the the level of disrespect all men are asking is for women to be nice and cooperative that is it they're not asking for you to be supermodels ig models they're just asking can you just be nice cooperative fit and childless is that much to ask for but that's a huge lift today kev you can't throw the child yeah yeah i'm joking but once you reach a certain age no i can throw it in there i'm gonna tell you why i'm throwing it in there i'm not gonna back off that because look there are too many phones i'm 52 years old when i used to go into the grocery store to ask for condoms they clowned you we needed a price check on condoms because because especially where i'm from they thought they could morally justify it but now we have women have access to over 33 forms of birth control before and or after you they're all kind of they're the adoption all these things no child gets born today that a woman did not want to carry i mean to carry the full term that's her choice i would agree so if you choose to have a child without the benefit of marriage fine but you accept everything that comes along with it because we because there's enough information out there to show that statistically a child is not going to be in the best position to have the best outcome this way can it happen sure because flip the script if men were to get out here and just make babies reckless they call you uh they call you something there's a name yeah so that is this this conversation right here kev is where is weird i was really and really on the hook with just wanting to hear more that you had to say i was watching you with a young woman and the conversation somehow was just based on hey whatever you did was it best for the child she was saying she moved she moved to wherever her family was and it was a family that gave her the advice and i didn't even really want to move but she was doing all of that and you just kept it on yeah i hear you but was that best for the child and i don't even really think she still was getting none you were saying and for me i was like oh see this is this is deep this is that was deep for me because that's been some of my experience and trying to explain or have the conversation like hey i know you're looking out for you but at what point is it okay for me to say it's not about you and not come off like a dick i think that we especially in our community have normalized the absentee father right and so when women are making these decisions and these choices the fathers wants don't even really come into the decision making well yeah right further than that yeah it's part i mean we've normalized prosperity and the prospect like coming from the christian church when the prosperity gospel can't start coming in i don't want to get too religious in this but we've we've normalized that you deserve to live your best life your happiness as an individual is paramount and when you tell people that that then that means i'm up here and everything else is a secondary concern so when i turn around and say marriage ain't about love a romance it's about duty what we're the most christian folks to when it comes to the when it comes to the most christian of unions we also want to get new waves because somebody mentioned that granddad may have had a family on the other side of town yeah but you didn't you didn't hear about it until the funeral right because grandma had a duty to keep her mouth closed and granddad had a duty to keep him the stuff you hear about your grandparents and great-grandparents is after they left you still hold them in high regard are we as serious of a people as they were hell no no no because we're a bunch of in our feelings child i want to be happy all the time selfish selfish me me me me me nope that's true and what do we got a a fracture everybody's doing their own thing can't nobody say nothing you as a man as a grown man you can look at somebody's kid that you know is doing something wrong you can't say nothing for fear of what they mama gonna say this is that the community's gone that's true so we all hear our parents say yo when i did something out in the street mr mr johnson will whip my ass and take me home and then get myself then my parents are with my ass too yeah i asked i asked this question to women all the time all right who leads who leads because if you want the bun the fundamental building block of any government i mean sorry any country any state any community any society is the family is the family and the and when it's right down to it that's a mother and a father we are different if you have children you can sit back and know that you and your and your the mother of your child have thought different things about their child but whose word follows and far too often today women are leading because so it's like well if i asked you how do i get to uh how to get to bergdorf goodman everybody in here would tell me a different location a different route we'd all end up at the same destination women are far too worried about their destination being right instead of the i mean their route being right instead of the outcome a man's nature is to discipline and correct structure a woman's nature is to offer nurture or feelings so you guess what we get we've gotten a generation of softer men and a generation of harder women they've told their daughters don't worry about no man don't worry about this get your education so forth and they've told their sons quite the opposite and then the funny thing is you end up raising the very men that you decry of not being able to lead so when i say who leads forget every one of the men in this room wear the camera [ __ ] us [ __ ] figure that's all what about your boys what about your sons what about your boys black boys are reading at a fourth grade level the next group of leaders are coming from your sons what are you doing with them and if you're not if you have the money to put one of your children to college is it gonna be a son are you actually making a differentiation for your son versus your daughters because you want your daughters to have somebody you can leave but you're not teaching any kind of leadership in your home uh they get mad when i start talking about this because i'm like okay you say at in your 30s all of a sudden you're going to just flip this flip the script and all of a sudden become this cooperative submissive woman what history do you have with even cooperating with a man and i ask a question did you have any brothers growing up yeah did your mother serve your father yeah did you serve your brothers what but you're going to hispanic family and i was just about to go to the hispanic family and the girls of the family served the boys now why is it that a guy who may have come into this country legally or illegal especially if you're in the south i make this thing all the time a guy can come in this country illegally stand outside a home depot or the day labor center and do almost anything sell oranges whatever anything money but go home and get a submissive respectful loyal woman he ain't got to be a millionaire but he can get that but yet i got to go to harvard joe's with me often so i had this conversation with one of our female friends and she said demographically the black woman and the asian man are the two like falling whatever the groups right and i said why and she said because the black man has no problem dating outside of his race and the asian woman has no problem dating outside of her race and i told her this girl she makes a nice amount of money and i said yo because you guys snicker and laugh at the 70 80 000 a year man and maria and becky will welcome him with open arms well let me tell your friend you're full of [ __ ] ma'am you are full of [ __ ] black men men traditionally are the more racial loyal of any group that's it women are the ones that tend to because you want to know dates out the most asian women white men so the net of it is if black women were as sexually as desired sexually as black men do you not think they would date out as often as we would but the thing is the black men we start talking about they are still saying i want a woman with all these situations modern woman this or that still when we marry we are marrying a black woman at an 86 percent rate but see they want to talk about the 14 percent that don't yeah i don't like that i don't like that and and if you even take it even further it's really exacerbated when you start getting into things outside of where i consider corporate america when you start getting into entertainment athletics uh entertainment athletics uh entertainment athletics the numbers are over-represented gotcha but if you look in where people are making you know having to go to work a traditional nine to five day most people marry people that look like themselves you see that's a deflection it is because at the end of the day all you got it's like okay ma'am let's accept it all you gotta do is find one why can't you find one and you ask your friend uh have you ever been with a man that's suitable or reasonable and knows where it's gonna come yeah back in college i was engaged once well why didn't that happen who broke it off and i'm gonna tell you almost 100 of the time they're the ones leaving you honestly think that these women honestly think that they can leave a man in their 20s and 30s play the field do what they want to in in the early 20s and then wait later on in life and get a man that's more valuable as their values going down that's what's been marketing to us but their value i think you're right i'm agreeing with you they think though that their value is rising because they are making more money so the things that they value in a man they think we value in them and that's one of your biggest arguments social markets your money matters not to a man that has his own money before you all have this exchange real really quickly as someone who's been married twice do you want to get married again i would i would i would i would get married again because uh if i decide i want more kids which that would be one situation or number two you're gonna have somebody at the end of the life work but the thing is every woman i deal with they watch my program they hear exactly what i say they hear what you stand for exactly i will tell you this i don't budge because i've done it twice and i realized that i shouldn't have i don't fault my former relationships for for not working because i grew up the same way we all grew up we never i didn't grow up in the position of thinking that you need to be responsible for everything you need to have a plan and an outcome you need to have a place for a woman to nest and not put pressure on them precious made for shoulders not for hips so in the black community we saw so many women doing stuff that i think many men put undue pressure on a woman that's not really built for the female so you'll never hear me talk anything uh negative about my exes i take 100 responsibility even for the stuff that i could arguably say fail short on that side not their responsibility um sexual marketplace value is one of the things that tends to upset with mourinho so i asked the question what product on the market increases with time with with age and use you put me in a real tough spot when i have to keep a straight face when you say sexually sexually we quote it sexual marketing tell you something buddy i won't say it anywhere else but i perfectly understand we all understand it but they don't and so that's why yeah women women have been told that college money socioeconomic status experience increases your value it doesn't no it doesn't it decreases your it increases your asking price because of a thing called hypergamy women typically want men to have at least what they have or more so i'm not if you wait until you are making a certain amount of money it's going to be harder for you to accept the man working less if a man if you want if you get a certain level of education this or that you're going to think that it raises your overall value so when you hear me ask all women how tall are you and how much do you weigh dress size how much do you weigh if you had to rake yourself i'm like that's your smb that's what it kind of starts then it gets to be uh a question it gets to be a problem because when women rank themselves around the average range i'm like in what world did average women get above average men consistently they want to fight you at that point today's world though that's not true well okay okay hold on hold on no there's a caveat if you are an average woman you get in a book and you have an above average man later in life he doesn't start that way you get him with these young see this whole high value thing has two components many women want a man who's already high value or you don't want to build a bob or build the booth yeah no way all right well great then you go ahead and hook up with him when he's uh getting it out the mud when he's living in a one-bedroom studio and y'all get the i call it an ikea marriage i get that ikea man you know y'all split the you know we'll get one vintie mochaccino frappuccino y'all split that [ __ ] y'all act like y'all doing something one scone and everything else and then you build and build and build and then once he gets to this place they don't want that though well i don't care what you want i don't care what you i don't think i don't care what you want i care what you can get i agree let's see the thing is if men don't run around talk about i feel i feel i feel and i want men think do and we accept our situation we all want a certain caliber a woman but until you were in the position to be able to have and maintain that could you get it uh could you get it to keep it yes why is that hard to say for men that's realization we've come to a long time ago i'm not going to shoot for halle berry if i know i'm not on halle berry well hold on or do i feel entitled let me say but see the thing is i'm going to say the story but here's the thing is even if you did let's just say i ran let's just say you ran into halibury in new york city and y'all did do something you halle berry wouldn't all suddenly be a new level you'd say i called it one outlier yeah i caught it that's that's a story you always got to tell but also you wouldn't walk around thinking well hey hallie hey next time you're in town let's what no man that was tequila ain't got nothing to do with it now halle berry is not your standard i got you i don't want sally richardson next and nia long next and j lo next when i make 40 grand all that [ __ ] is awesome but my point was in today's world so that example has to continue okay i slept with ollie right and i leave thinking the same way you said oh man what a night man who knew blah blah blah but two weeks later another one of them pop up and it happened again i didn't expect that one i didn't plan for that one either you gotta have a [ __ ] gotta have a high hey that's pretty cool if that happened twice i'm gonna go head on about my way hey five hours later here go another one wait a second indeed and now that now the game has changed no right but for no it's not an anomaly but he answers to them as well your smv is then high well see for me you want me to tell you about oh you gotta you know see look their smv is high at that see that's not happening to average five four a hundred and seventy pound women that's happening to women that are bumping into high value men i think it is but that's the minority so i'm not going to argue it's a minority here's here's what's okay so a couple of things one men know what your credit rating is and what your resource is like that's what kind of woman you can afford that's generally what we know we we know what our resource pool is and the kind of one we can afford sure if we got a halle berry or if we got some one-offs that does not give you a 800 credit score and a 400 000 income that just gives you the ability to get it off the lip some game maybe you're looking right maybe you smell right maybe maybe your particular brand of dude is in style right now and that's what it is but men are least realistic about that here's what happens though with with women because so many women want these men who are quote unquote high value and i and i have defined that you got 100 percent of women the pizza principal going for the top 20 top ten percent of men and guys up here you will know that if he can hit halle berry he'll hit it but if he can hit that six and ain't nobody looking he gonna hit that too the problem is the way women look at that is women look at that men as their new standard they're like well if i can get him and he's with her that puts me on her level and that's not how it works we look at these things differently so it's not as though average women have not dealt with high value men because i account to put it on my show many times women say i deal with high value me and i deal with hope and i say i don't worry about dealing marriage we keep we we commit we we judge by weddings and see that tells the story women are judged ultimately by the kind and caliber of men that they can keep keep and many of these women cannot keep a man like that sure uh which is and which bothers them because it's like well if i can deal with him well if you can't keep him what does it matter what bothers a lot of women about my show is that it's it's really common sense and basic it's just telling he's telling them something that men know you can't have it all life is about choices and trade-offs and they don't want to compromise and they can go at all they want to see you [ __ ] on some more men no they call compromise settling they wanted to bring this satellite that's what they call it i got three years of that i got i see what they don't do is go back into my catalog cause even though like on worldstar they put up some of my older videos it's all out there it is and then and even when i do say stuff to men or non-black women i don't get credit for that i don't get credit for that i mean i had a woman call on the show the other day and she called herself she wanted to start checking the black i'm like oh wait oh no i don't we don't you don't you don't get those kind of privileges over here mm-hmm but it's like that's not gonna get the clicks though well so what is it what is it they really want they don't want me to say to be honest because what because what's starting to happen is i'm not i'm not rude i'm not i'm not cursing you out uh i'm not being uh i'm not initiating drama i'm not trolling women are calling into my show voluntarily and we're having conversations in real time and what it's starting to do it's starting to make it harder to review what i'm saying the stuff i quote you can look up the numbers um and it's not like i'm just you know calling you about your [ __ ] and hoes and this and that that's the problem so and it's starting to have an impact now you know women are starting to look at things differently guys are starting to look at things differently and the people who really have the issue are do they have a desire to change or improve anywhere or do they think they're right that's killer do you really have the ability to look yourself in the mirror and say hey i need to change a few things or don't give me the answer no i'm just saying or is this guy crazy he hates women i love him he's failed in his relationships blase blase blah those are all things that allow you to dismiss everything all the factual information that's been shared it allows you to be dismissive either that or the defensive thing you immediately go into defense mode when somebody says something that you don't agree with sign language i got to go up against two kevin simmons this ain't even so exciting so i have something i have something called we knew that i have something called sign language shame insults guilt and the need to be right uh and typically when i'm starting to get real pushback especially from a woman shame uh your mama black yep like how can you say this against a black woman you owe black women i've heard black women actually say i owe black women because i talk to black women i'm like do you owe black men like we the the the oh only goes to us to you a black woman raised you in this and then i'm like oh wait a minute then if the shame don't work the insults you gay you gay you gay you gay i'm like you're a grown damn woman oh we're on the playground i'm not gay you know part of me being gay ask your girlfriend if i'm gay but it's like you it's the same thing gay gay gay because that's the first thing that's one of the first insults you want to do you know it's like you know dmx just passing now people wanting to cancel him because of lyrics he made back in the late 90s i won't let them but the thing is but because we throw that word around too much in the black community i'm like now wait a minute black women have calling a man gay but then you yo your makeup artist your hair stylist and some of your best friends are gay men what are you talking about you love them right right because they because they pander into you and then the guilt you know you're embarrassing us you know you're making it i'm not gonna say that that's why they love them but but there's there's many things but the ultimate one is the need to be right the need to be right that's why it goes on and off it it's like two plus two is four yeah but i know a friend i know this i know that and it's like all right are you are you trying to move this thing forward are you trying to get a better outcome or do you want things to just be where they are and that's the thing i don't begrudge what women want what men want anybody wants i just ask can you get it can you get it what's the likelihood of getting it and if you can't get it are you willing to make the changes and adjustments that are gonna be needed to get that kind of outcome and more often than not you know women are saying they don't want more often not women have never asked themselves that question they just assumed it was going to happen it's like this whole notion of getting married um earlier and you asked a lot of especially women in our community they don't think they should be even considering marriage until 30. 30. i'm like well just run the numbers on that 30. you meet him at 30. six months to a year you're engaged you want to have a year marriage i'm like the numbers don't make sense six months two years even engagement time it's more like three four years you're dating before you get and the fingers pop the questions the numbers and the thing is the numbers don't make sense so let's go all the way back around because they there's a financial incentive to keep men and women separate because there's a rent for this apartment rent for that apartment power in this power for that there's more money when people are single when you're married you have to actually you know call in households there's somebody else who you need to kind of work with and your priorities change instead of we're going to go to cancun we're going to go to this we're going to do that it's a different it's a different environment so um that's interesting i never thought about that well i mean and this was kind of all laid out in the whole book subverted and the the lies that were told to middle class women i was like here's the thing take it away from relationships okay you don't go to sell piano to somebody in the middle class you don't do that doesn't make any sense you're you work at the mta look at the post office you're middle class people you don't sell a piano that makes no sense what you sell is a music room anybody who's anybody has a music room only the culture is sophisticated people have music rooms you want to have music in your house because it increases your kids you know cognitive ability and this and that and that this like and of course in the music we need to have encyclopedias because it has it and then if then people have a music room what are they going to need they're going to need a piano it's genius you don't sell and this and this there was a there was a method there was a method especially the black community our dollar circulates six hours you know why it circulates six hours because we're hyper consumers even in the pandemic the line around the gucci store [ __ ] hyper consumers so even the lying around the gucci store uh is lying and you're not the typical gucci customer but why because it's we have a household that's feelings it's not rented in rooted in logic logic or outcomes are saying all right you may want a gucci belt son but you're gonna need to go work and make that gucci money now i'm gonna pay you to do this this this and then like wait a minute i gotta work how many hours to get the money for one belt i'm good versus money just comes from a stimulus check or something and it it just comes so we just spend it and when i was growing up everybody didn't expect to have big homes and drive mercedes people are happy with honda civics and reasonable homes men not being around we're not we're the more logical long term because we know ain't nobody coming to save us so we got to have something and this is why i don't begrudge women for moving the way they do i just think man need to understand women's nature and understand you're not gonna you're not gonna change this by argument i've started out before high value or anything else i started out with talking about show your work you can start say whatever you want to but when you actually start making the changes in yourself showing the accomplishments you go back on my youtube channel and see the progression the evolution i did congratulations by the way thank you so and so it's hard to argue against work work work people like you always working man you're always working you're always doing this i'm like i'm older than you when i'm out working you and our women are no different than any other group of women in this sense that this they want to believe in their men they're just afraid to so this is where i hold men black men are responsible i would agree with that yeah since d.w griffith's birth of a nation in 1915 the black male image has been under assault there is one thing that does not exist and it needs to exist blackmail media by black men four black men shout out to ocean duke jackson he runs away uh a website called the negro manosphere and over there there's a collective of black men who are are always talking about you know things that are important to us we need blackmail media run by us not us at cbs nbc nbc on we need our stuff for our voice our point of view funded by us our money so when people say you know you're making money off black women i make men support my show men support my show men the overwhelming support of my show comes by men because i'm saying thank you for sticking up even if you're a white collar high value so and so whatever brother you call yourself on your way to because you stick up for the men who are blue collar the factory worker the military guy you say something and you don't look down on us i'm like i come from that what are you talking about i still am that [ __ ] it's good you still work in the corporate world part of the interruption um no i'll i do this okay cool and that was and that was my next question i'm glad you asked i was wondering if your stance on the male female dynamic would have any impact on you being able to hold kind of corporate gigs if you were still into that but if you're not well then yes the questions yeah it of course i couldn't do it i could be canceled because all i would have to do is call my job and he would say yeah yeah check out this but the funny thing is anybody who knows me will tell you i've been this way since the 80s they'll tell you which are you having more fun in corporate corporate [ __ ] that the [ __ ] you was on i don't know i don't come from that or this content creation [ __ ] um this by far because i can control it um you know having when i worked in corporate america i was in sales and everybody ate off what i did so if i go close the deal my manager ate the sales reps ate the engineers and everybody else ate now if you build your own business your own audience you can start to employ and have people eat like and have people eat off you the way you want to when i was in corporate america i had my first management job here in new york city and to god i was number two rep in the country and i came up to take over the second worst team in the nation i hired a team of people first person i had was black woman the next six people i hired were black men and then one white guy uh oh actually yeah one white guy he was mother was white his mother was black i'm not black guy uh white um and it's funny now everybody in the organization knew my pedigree knew i closed some of the biggest deals in company history knew the ceo and blah blah i was the golden boy per se i came up here in new york and we're at smith and wolenski and i remember the uncomfortable way they was about to ask this question i just know they're going to ask they're like hey kevin uh-huh i just got a question for you um notice you hired uh all african-americans why is that i'm like probably the same reason you hired all white people i went back to eating my steak and they couldn't say a damn thing because i could kick i was kicking their ass i beat them at every turn i beat them in the company and i took my team and i said all right i've become successful i'm going to make sure you have the tools and resources but you're going to work harder than you ever have worked before because damn it that's what's expected but if you do these things and we actually got out there and got it done professional doc and performed blew them away so i'm and i asked and i went to my regional vice president i was like i think it's interesting i i was asked why i hired all black people but you know i put it back to a story i told in college when i had a south african this was right after apartheid i had a south african chemistry instructor and he said kevin in chemistry recitation 400 plus people he's like why do all the the black students tend to sit together they all seem to sit right there i've noticed every time we all tend to sit together i was like i was like the same reason all the white students sit together but i think it's funny that your eye automatically goes to that little group of five or seven black people instead of just hundreds of white folks and he just sat there looked dumbfounded and i was like um why is this important because when i was in management i didn't walk around talking about my views on this or that i just had a shot and i hired the best people i could find for the job and they just happened to be black can't we do that just like if you the whole notion of why is this view of things that i'm saying they're not wrong but and if we operated more in a way to where men were leading effective productive competitive successful men men that respected one another we got out here and other groups of men had to say those guys are somebody to be contended with you're not gonna go drop a business in that neighborhood no no we're gonna drop the business in the neighborhood we're going to have the bank of our neighborhood we're going to have a dry cleaner we're going to have everything in here and if you want to come over here profit from where we're profiting from you got to go through our power structure we're going to talk about circulating our dollar and that kind of thing then it would be a hell of a lot easier for women to sit back and say i don't like what they are saying even how you say it that's true but this air conditioning [ __ ] she'll feel good that's true uh i like i like i like this streets are clean and it's safe in my key you know we're the only people that don't have it but coming from corporate are you are you shocked at just how fast this content creation game moves and the success center and like we were talking off mike and you were saying you're out eating and people are recognized and recognizing you and i mean coming from a different world i understand how it could be a lot for somebody well i come from the sales side and then the advertising and marketing side i understood the importance of image and how image really plays um so am i shocked no because i studied it a lot before i even got into it um like most like many people on youtube you know i came here understanding the platform the algorithm the how google why google bought youtube and why facebook bought instagram and all those different things going behind it ultimately i hope to become platform agnostic i just want to own my own content and whatever platform is hot just drop it there like this is why podcasting and all this is so valuable because if they decide they want to turn the lights off one day you just go to the next platform keeping the platforms competing is like keeping the labels competing ownership and see i think you know why a lot of a lot of men champion stuff that i'm saying i'm like understand something uh go back to my old content i want to hear [ __ ] from you talking about you being broke if you're not working in 60 hours minimum a week that you're getting paid for turn off youtube instagram whatever and get your ass out there go down there work at mcdonald's circle k get you a job i don't care about your pride you can't be proud and broke at the same time go work work and work and work and then you take that money you make from your part-time job invest some of it invest most take half of it invest it to your future the other 50 the other percentage take some have some fun go buy your belt then invest it in self-improvement get you a high income skill get you something that's going to give you high value skills that you can market on that you can leverage on the marketplace whether you're working in corporate america or whether you're going to be doing your entrepreneur entrepreneurial thing in the future but men if you're working the harder you work the luckier you get the more exposure you get and it's about hard work and speed get out when i came to new york city it was one of the best moves i ever made because this city moves fast super fast and that's good because if you if you can run fast great but if there's something wrong with your stride you'll fall fast too good fix what's fix what's wrong around quicker because if men are working to become the best version of themselves putting the work in a self-improvement this that working with other men to help increase the opportunities for men guess what women come along guaranteed if coronavirus is over next month and the happening spot was i don't know something in central park and everyone in the country recognized that this group of guys get got this [ __ ] together we all go sit there we could just be sitting at the table smoking cigars drinking scotch or bourbon and just talking chopping it up we would have women surrounded us indeed because they go they're always going to come where men are doing something where men are when they're not not shooting this [ __ ] but when men are doing getting together especially talking about power i think we've lost that power i think we love that what power do you think we lost what he just said i think that it's literally been a total it's a day yeah it's a total shift in which the power that you're saying that that the women would flock to it's been just the opposite so we have the instagram generation with the naked women and the sexually um motivating i mean sexually attractive chicks and i think if the men are now gravitating to the women where it's backwards it's backwards and we've lost the power yes indeed because everyone's an individual contributor that's why snoop dogg had to apologize to uh gail why because snoop is a millionaire but he out there alone but if we had the media apparatus to say no you gonna cancel snoop no no come on no we no snoop is with us see as long as why am i here i had other stuff to do but you this brother has something and i got something this matters that matters this matters it's a connection that's why we tell you it's in it and the thing is we have to stop the the i have a i have a reputation of not beefing people can say the most egregious things about me i'm trying to get that reputation good luck because because the thing is and i made and i started that off long before anybody ever knew who i was but he's 52 too now i don't know if he had this reputation at 40. yeah well the thing is because it ain't about me i mean the thing is i can't really beef with you if i don't know you most of people say stuff it's about something and the thing is if you the audience doesn't want to see that they want to see we know how that looks we need to be able to work together as black men as men in general when men working together women automatically fall into their place but when we flip it and we start acting catty and beefy and this and then why don't i have to respect that why don't women need to respect some if you calling me this and that and i'm calling you this and that we acting like a bunch of [ __ ] yes versus if you if you say something about me and i just like keep moving and you're going about your business and then you work with the people you can work with and then eventually you may come back around like you know you know what's a dog i was wrong i thought she was on that [ __ ] i couldn't stand your sweet looking ass but you know what you just never kind of dude but i i heard that you did this and that and guess what and i'll be like it's cool man let's go i'm beast let's worry about that yeah but do you think we get further if we are able to work together with women and be inclusive i think that they're two separate issues yeah i think i think that prior to it's it's to go back to malcolm x right malcolm x when asked that question about working with white people his immediate response was i think that we need to well first of all they told him not to answer that question the whole nation of vegas said don't you no i'm not talking about that question i'm not talking about that when they asked him um could white people help the cause et cetera et cetera initially he said no he said we have to learn how to champion our own cells first and and regulate our own cells first prior to accepting outside outsiders into our situation so i think what he's saying is as men it's more important more specifically black men until we can gather and commune and learn how to regulate ourselves women can't really fight for our cause see you say work with women and i say we need to be able to employ our women employ our women work with women the same thing as far as i'm concerned when we have an economy if they choose to work in corporate america in their own businesses but if you also have a thriving economy to where they can work in guess what it's a hell of a lot easier to have respect for somebody when you see a man in the household a man running businesses a man running the police department fire department everything around you like i grew up in the neighborhood where i saw black male teachers and this and it's this i think that i'll i'll find this podcast and i'll put it down at the bottom when boys see men in uh teaching roles their outcomes improve dramatically because male teachers we don't have those anymore and that's another part that we don't have time to get into but when we lost we we have lost there's a book called the black tax that talks about the simple loss of black men as teachers the impact the man has a boy has of seeing a man i grew up in a single-player household but everywhere around the seats of power my principal this my band director at every level of my life there were men leading stuff so you know i put the responsibility and onus for the leadership all that stuff firmly back on us yeah we've talked about we're talking about women and all this stuff right now but make no mistake you know and i have fallen short because i didn't see this stuff growing up nobody talked about this that's true we are building the airplane while we're flying it and i will never sit back and try to hold myself up in some bastion of what's right and wrong are you kidding me come on man we've all done some stupid shits and [ __ ] [ __ ] but the whole point is are we trying to leave it better than we found it sure i think and i gotta run here in a minute but i think generation x in particular we're the first generation that didn't have to go fight a war of any kind we didn't have the you know my my father's generation at vietnam and before them their career before that world war ii generation x we had the ball kicked out of our hand we had reaganomics we had crack then we had aids and all that stuff generation x men are going to do is going to be the legacy we leave behind for the other men you know we didn't get to have it the way we wanted we didn't get to be the dads in the household that we didn't get a chance to say we wanted that stuff we didn't get a chance but we can choose to say even though i couldn't have it that way can i hand the baton off to the next group of men and give them something to run into so they don't have to keep reinventing this [ __ ] wheel and doing it all over and over again and then having to buy viper power with the women no no no no if we are doing what we're supposed to be doing let us build our power base work together build our economies and then we're going to have the opportunity to say you know if i want to work in that structure or do i want to go work over on this structure more often than not history has shown women are really good with accepting when they can actually see men do something now just bump your gums talk a good game show your work and they they say that so they say that listen man round of applause round of applause we need a part two kev what kind of eats he said like i want to get into the civil rights and what do you think that effect on us had like et cetera et cetera i think yeah and i'll be here in a couple of three weeks and see the thing is my goal is to have just the better outcome better conversation we got to start talking to one another instead of at each other because we get nowhere by ourselves as men or or with our relationship and the one like i said one of the most impactful things i've seen is young men see me walking by me like and now and i remember remember me and joe green and he threw that t-shirt how did that impact yeah i remember that yeah i kind of got that feeling when some of these young dudes are like man you be out here sliding i don't know what the [ __ ] something every time i'm like but but i see the look in their eye and they're saying i see something you brought up admirer what's what's up no that is what's up i thank you for coming i appreciate you i won't tell the guys that uh you was trying to actually be like two and a half hours early for his flight yeah i won't even tell him i was like his fam 90 minutes early round of vlogs again thank you kev appreciate it if you get a minute when you back out here you're always welcome for sure you're always welcome man we appreciate you and i know you got to go park you're good good nice we good we're good we're good franklin we good everybody good we're good all right man listen keep us in your prayers lord knows we need to be there until the next time i bid you a dude peace arrivederci adios de la vista so long goodbye remember life is a series of moments and moments past so let's make this last as if it's all that we have and i'm gone i'll talk to y'all next [Music] time

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Length: 93min 30sec (5610 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 16 2021

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