The First and Last of Us with Troy Baker - Always Open

[Music] hello everyone welcome back to always open it's our season premiere we've missed you guys it's been so long since we've been here and I'm so happy to be back doing the show and today on our Premiere we have a group of incredible guests starting with hello I'm Griff [Applause] hi it's me Jessica and very special guest Troy Baker [Applause] one of our favorite guests of all time for the show and you're here for the premiere oh sorry I mean all of you all of you guys I don't ever want to assume I hope that it's me secretly inside I would have died a little bit inside she's like yeah Judd we're not talking about you Troy yeah I've never been alone so it's true yeah we we finished always open or we ended the first kind of run of the show during the pandemic yeah and that was when Griff was still in sales I wasn't doing a lot of camera stuff this is my bit was being in sales this is just nice is that a city we're honored then yeah I live in sales yeah sure it's a small Province outside of Edmonton sort of a municipality but I went to take a drink awful moment it's unincorporated I have to pay taxes twice I choked the whales spit coming out of the gate strong all right well I'm so glad you guys are here for the premiere yeah I am too new show new channel we're on the all good no worries Channel new set we're living the dream I'm in New cheers future covers it's true these are old chairs that we had in the studio that we made nicer for the set it's like a wedding right a little something old something new something orange something stolen from these are blue those are blue yeah pillows are blue my favorite thing about the set though I love these neon flowers yeah I love them they're very cute they are they're nice for a little guy yeah that's your shirt yeah and if you are listening to this on audio platforms you could see the visual for it on youtube.com at all good no worries it's new channel uh femrun Channel with femrun content all types of fun stuff always open every single week so come subscribe hell yeah yeah and see what else is there's other stuff probably at this point but no this is the premiere this is the first thing hey next week there will be more stuff yeah on Thursday time is a con I don't really believe just period yeah I hardly agree I think all time happens at once what do you mean by that I think that all time is happening and not happening at once so like your past is happening right now too and your future yeah like we're here right now doing a podcast but also there's like some peasant mucking at a barn somewhere like right where we're sitting so how would you describe the theory of relativity then I don't know but I think that's what people think they see when they see ghosts okay wrong uh-huh um interesting yeah I also think everyone is everyone does that make sense no I think that when people say interesting that's a very kind way of going I disagree with you like I'm gonna back out yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna take over this train real fast anything spiritual I'm like oh yeah I only have strong opinions on one ghost which name is Gary he's [ __ ] Gary who's Gary Troy's personal ghost right go on how lucky oh yeah how lucky I am it was Gary the one messing with the mic Gary is the one messing with mics no sorry Gary is the one messing with Mike who is your ghost they go way back that's what the Ouija board told me back when I was in high school is exactly what I wanted I love it no it's great to be back um you know it's been a while since we've done this show Jessica tons of History doing always open I love it it's my favorite Troy you've I think done it like three three episodes four times I know that there's a meme of me on this which is fun and it's Thursday that's all I know is like whenever I type in Thursday it's Thursday or whatever it is and I was like what did I say yeah me and you look at that once a day right yeah I once a week I will just constantly my my entire like photo album my phone is nothing but memes of me that makes sense and Gary and Gary but you can't see Gary you get photographers it's just a blank screen people what is that it's like it's a scary ghost yeah it's ghost stuff I want to hear about Gary we can offline about it I just want to know about them a little bit more yeah single yeah I can give you his number cool what's his number zero zero zeros his number is dead or 666. it's uh it's Eightfold by zero eight [Laughter] [Music] uh so we have a ton to get into on today's episode uh I kind of wanted to theme it around New Beginnings but New Beginnings with things that are somewhat familiar to you so something that sparked this Troy yes The Last of Us how crazy is it right so you voiced Joel In The Last of Us video game for those of you who don't know I don't know there's three people there's three now they know and that was fake Gamers roughly 10 years ago we started like if I remember correctly we started in November of 2009 is when I walked in for the audition maybe 2008 um I may be a year off and then we proceeded to shoot that game um just kind of like the Avatar Style we're in the weird suits on this on stage for two and a half years oh um and then they still had to finish the game after that so it's it's kind of done like in these little train cars to where we were like here we're focusing on Boston uh here we're focusing on the outskirts here we're focusing on and for the most part we got to shoot somewhat linearly but then we would have to go back and pick stuff up like the What's called the truck Ambush scene which was um in episode four um we shot that scene like I think four times five times because we're just constantly iterating on and trying to get it right but so yeah I've I've been a part of this franchise for over 12 years now and I watched it Go from a long shot from from Naughty Dog to being literally the number one show on television that's just become a cultural phenomenon yes that's the perfect way to describe it it's the conversation it is the conversation and obsessing over it I mean good show and then then you're like oh now I'm gonna go look at the game yeah and then it's back and forth Neil druckman put it best he was at a wedding and he said you know at a Jewish wedding there's a wide swath of demographic there and he goes everyone from 9 to 90 knew what the Last of Us was like that is a true litmus test you've done one person right in the middle at 50 like was like I don't have a television yeah like an adult is that my uncle yeah mankovitz but something very cool just happened when this episode is coming out it's gonna be uh early March right after a very special episode just premiered on a very special episode of the last time you know I learned something today um Troy goes down to the basement of a bike shop it's not good um so at the time of recording this none of us have seen this yet yeah um so we're gonna get a little spoiled okay which I think is totally the game yeah I'm ready for it all right well here's but here's what's funny is just because and this is the great opportunity that we have with the show is there's so much stuff that we got to explore that you just can't do in a game um number one you're playing as this character so you need to kind of see the world through their eyes and then we did something that was really you know novel in some ways and we flipped that character twice so you start off in the game playing as Joel's daughter Sarah she meets an untimely end and then Joel is who you're mainly playing in up to the certain point where now you're playing as Ellie and so we got to kind of look at that but we're still forced to look at the world through one set of eyes at a time and with the showgas is the opportunity to do is go well let's pull away from them for a second and let's see what's happening through this person yeah and so we get to experience it through tests so we get to experience it through Bill and Frank which was episode three I can't you can't even like mention that episode without me getting like choked up I've watched something I can just look at somebody with strawberries then you start crying incredible it was truly incredible it was I think speechless like no words to describe I feel like after uh filming that Nick offer really likes when he got home he was just like millions of people like I feel like after if you give a performance like that and you just like oh yeah yeah it's like you know what you did the reason why I think that episode specifically did so well and was received so well is because it was handled with such care there is a temptation to go look at us tick the diversity box and look at us have a show and we're now we have representation we're talking about a same-sex couple but that to me would have been such a shortfall of of the opportunity which is the conversation the show is actually about what does love look like and that's the running thing throughout all of this is love is terrifying and we deal with that in every episode so what does love look like between two gay middle-aged men in this world and so in order to do that Craig Mason did a really wonderful thing and Neil druckman as well Greg was like I can tell this story I'm a white middle-aged dude but I'm straight I need help with this and I want to do this justice so I'm going to hire Peter horror who is the director of that who is a gay middle-aged married man oh so he knows what's up the editor is a gay married middle-aged man he's a gay and they again a white middle-aged married man so that lens now literally is the way that we're viewing this entire story through and the thing that surprises me is the original cut was two hours I wish it was yeah I can't imagine Craig said it hurt too much it hurt too much to watch but yeah so at least it released the Craig release the Mason edit I mean even cut down to what was it an hour hour and 15. yeah it was a movie yeah it was a complete story like beginning middle end beautiful all the way through just so incredibly told and I always watch the special features at the end of the episodes and uh Craig was saying how they made the deliberate decision to because it's not we don't really see the backstory in the game one line right no Frank is literally a dangling feat and a bad Hawaiian shirt and Bill is a very different character because he serves a different character I mean the people who were up in arms but I was like I can't believe you did it gays like bills is it just I can't remember is it just the one line or is it mentioned more times than once he says in the very beginning I I had someone I cared about a partner yeah and that's they kind of gloss over it and later when they find Frank he says this is Frank he's my partner and Joel puts the connection together goes got it and then that decision was made um Joe or Neil had an idea I was like I want to you know this is the character that I'm presenting to to um W Earl Brown who played it in the game and then later on it was decided that you know this would be something that we would build upon it would be an element of the story that these two were partners and what does that look like and so Craig was able to take that story I keep bumping into stuff microphones the bikes are too good I know Craig decided to he's like let's really explore that and this gives us an opportunity to still speak to the main story but then be able to which I appreciate because once I you know he was talking about this is when we're going to deviate from the game I was like I'm so glad that you did I don't know it just made the whole entire story a little bit I know that there's everything online going up you know there were some people that liked it or didn't like it but well there were two people that didn't like but they also didn't watch it so yeah exactly there you go there you go yeah but that's absolutely true yeah all of that to the whole reason why I say that is um we have an opportunity to kind of bring up new characters like we did with Kathleen um we also have the opportunity to kind of explore characters that were quickly glossed over like Frank and that's kind of where my character sits is I play James who is one of David who was clearly prominent in the game we build upon him more in in another episode how is that experience because these people are the same people who made Chernobyl which is an incredible Masterpiece of a show yeah and then obviously Last of Us which is just incredible to watch how was it getting to be directed by this team and working with this team and in this production but also as a character that wasn't your own originally I mean honestly my character James was played originally by Reuben Langdon who's a great actor and an amazing stunt performer and we just bring in Reubens like you need to die as this person is like okay get killed a lot um so the spoiler you can kind of see where it's going with my care nobody lasts long in this world this is this is clearly Joel and Ellie's story so that's who we're going to be following um but for me I've I've never I've done on camera stuff before I've done film and TV I've never in my life been on a production of this size I mean it was a juggernaut it took over Calgary and we got to film in which special locations cold huh yeah you guys make up temperatures this is what's so funny I call I call my friend and go hey I'm going to Calgary she's like woof never been I went you're Canadian you're supposed to know everything about all she's like yep never been like your friend is weird never far um so it was very last year was a very cold year for me I started off in Calgary Then I then I spent time in Europe and in like Scandinavia and that was that was very cold as well um but I'm sitting in this huge um production and I'm surrounded by literally there's a cast and crew of a thousand people and we're beside this beautiful River in this gorgeous I mean like the location that we're at there was a lot of production design that went to it but this was an actual Just Like Somebody went and said this we need to shoot this scene here it's beautiful pristine actual snow it's super cold and we're about to go picture up well a lot of times like you're shooting summer for winter yeah um this was like we have heated thermal I had clothes that were battery operated yeah it was so cool and warming tents um and I had to be very careful because if you change your body temperature too much if you go like 30 degrees off you can actually get sick and so I was like I need to stay cold um but we're standing here and I'm looking at this this um this set that they did build uh this building that's that's going to be our Sawmill if you if you played the game um it's this beautiful set piece and I'm just looking around and going oh my God I kind of laughed to myself and uh Scotch everybody played David uh his next meeting goes what are you laughing about it's not funny about to have to do a really serious scene like if you could go back a decade and tell the person that walked into this audition what would be happening now I I literally would not be able to Fathom it yeah and it's been it's been surreal so what was it like it was it was um the term humbling comes to mind um because I knew that I was there through the good graces of the showrunners who you know gave me the opportunity but it was still my opportunity to either sink it or Swim it and I felt that pressure um I'm working with the director that I've never worked with before Ali Abbasi who has his own take on it and I'm used I've never been on a stage or a set with the last of us that wasn't Neil druckman yeah I didn't even think about it so yeah I'm like this is not how we do it I kind of wanted to jump into that that Rhythm I'm like hey can we talk about the scenes he was like no you know what to do I'm just you know he goes I don't think you should do much too much prep I'm like let's just go in and find it on on the day but I do believe in I don't believe in being uh rehearsed but I do believe in being prepared yeah and I think the difference is rehearsed is no I need to walk in these steps and then prepare it is I'll throw it away or go on a different Trail um but it was one of the most challenging things I've ever done physically there was a lot of stunts that we got to do that I had a wonderful stunt performer and a stun double that got to do a lot of the heavy lifting but they let me do a few things that I was you know down for that's what I was gonna ask was the best one the best one is the the long it's a long tracking shot we're chasing after Ellie and I go hauling ass around this house I have to make a quick left turn on actual ice and so I'm wearing crampons so that I don't slide and I have to haul ass run down this um through this backyard clock Ellie as she's um running through trees and then clock this gate that's in front of me and then plant my left foot on a tree stump single plant over the chain League fence and then hoof over it while carrying a rifle okay I've just done double did you ever buff to ask yeah I didn't fall once okay um but it was what was funny was after the six or seventh time I was like I feel I was like man I feel like I'm flying over in the second unit uh director I was like you want to see it I'm like yeah I was like hey it felt like I was flying and just like a little harp um it's so cool in your head but then yeah so just know when you you know when you watch it uh that I I felt like I was doing this Herculean I look like [ __ ] Jason it looks even worse I'm like and every time was just a roll of dice it was like oh this could be it something was gonna go I'm I'm 46 so like I'm not like some 20 year old kid that can like break my leg and put it back together I'm gonna message you I don't know you didn't like this yeah it was hard for me it was very hard for me kids sounds hard everything that you're like having to do all that and remember it and make sure like that's uh and then they get the slam up against a tree and like it's awesome it's a badass scene and then uh we haven't seen the episode yeah but I'm guessing your character uh does not make it it meets an untimely yet oh yeah uh yeah it's not it's not great but the um and Bella Ramsay I can't say enough about him because she is so fantastic it's not fair like yeah first of all for for Neil they are fantastic and and this is something that Craig will pass along as well there's a conversation that was started with I don't want to speak for Bella at all but there was a conversation that Bella started as far as um pronouns and stuff and I love the notion of gender fluidity especially in 19. I'm a dad and you and I have talked about this too um I have a four-year-old almost five-year-old son who traveler and what the [ __ ] can you believe that that's not true no covid like two years yeah um but like traveler when he was about two I guess we were I mentioned something on the phone to Barbara about um he like pointed out a girl or whatever and Barbara's like are you teaching him about non-binary I was like no because I don't want anything to be tied to Identity and gender right now that will come later but right now I want him to see a person and a human and not that's a boy and that's a girl this is what boys do right what's that boy's dress he's got he's got hair down to his butt best hair in the world best hair in the world and he gets cold all the time he's like oh she's a good girl she's got this and if if we're going to be around those people for more than 30 seconds I'll give him the opportunity he's like do you want to correct him or not if he doesn't I'm like sure man we go live the rest of your life thinking you meant this I don't care um but there is an opportunity to to have a great conversation about does that mean or is that anyway it's just making sure we're okay still on audio cool uh I think there is a great conversation to be had right now and Bella is a part of that as far as talking about gender identity what I can say though is because I kept catching myself too because out of respect I just I wouldn't want to call you well Denise over here it's like that's not my name it's like if that is a part of your identity I want to make sure that I'm properly addressing you I don't care either way um did you guys put pronouns on the call sheet I don't believe so but what's what's interesting about Bella is they don't care it's like he shade okay fine it depends and if you ever look at Bella the the notion about the gender fluidity which is what I love is and this is not a new conversation if you look back like Mick Jagger was talking about this David Bowie was talking about this um Stephen Tyler talked about this David Bowie specifically was like I am both male and female if you look at me like there is a and I believe that we all are there's look at me I definitely have both elements of that and I think that most people are like I'm a man and I'm a woman or like well there's a part of you that you're not even exploring I'm not talking about sexually I'm just talking about you or just Jessica yeah yeah I don't know that to me is what Bella's like I just want you to see Bella yeah I don't want you to be like because the thing that I I've realized about Bella is to get tripped up over the pronouns is not something that Bella wants right um but anyway that's that's a wonderful little tangent but I feel like I'm still in this no no no I I it's a fascinating discussion I think like we're all so excited for you yeah um and this is just I don't know when I first heard that a TV show is going to be happening I was just so excited to see it first of all because I felt like that game is so primed to be explored deeper the way it has been in the show and to kind of see these offshoots of these different characters and to explore the world a little bit more and I I believe this was something that you had said you've said a number of times about The Last of Us how it's not a zombie game no it's a to your point Griff yeah um as far as like not playing not a zombie game because there are definite moments of of whether you watch the show whether you um play the game or both because it's not an either or to me it's a yes and if you like the story play the game it's incredible there's moments that aren't in the show and there's moments in the show that or moments in the game that aren't in the show and shows that are in moments that are in the show that aren't in the game yeah yeah but I think that it is uh the pitch of it being a zombie show is is just not you're gonna be very disappointed if that's if that's what you go in with that with that level of expectation this is a story about The Love from a father to a daughter and how terrifying that is i that's what's so interesting is I asked my mom because she's always asking me you know what are some new shows that you can uh tell me to watch and I was like have you started the last of us and she writes back oh the zombie one and I was like hold up because it's it's not and and my mom is such a sucker for um just human relationship type stories like between Joel and Ellie between episode three wait when is this coming out episode three this will be episode okay great Okay so we've seen all of that and honestly this episode that just came out this past Sunday episode four for us okay great I'm gonna get along pre-recording but the moments between um Ellie and Joel after she uh killed the man and then the gun situation that happened that moment I was waiting for that moment to happen I was like they're going to have a moment where he's going to his heart's going to crack open a little bit and have that moment with her and I'm trying to explain this to my mom I'm like it's it's not anyway she started it and she loves it oh thanks guys literally hey I was like this Madre and she's just like I wasn't expecting that she was like I'm a freaking mess she's like but I love it and so she was very thankful and she's like oh it's not it's not a zombie well she's got some more heartache coming for her okay I don't even want to think about it yeah but but no I love that though yeah I love experiencing something that pulls on your heartstrings so intensely and like I think I texted you after episode three I'm like that legitimately broke me I asked it was like have you watched episode three she goes you mean the thing that broke me yeah that one she goes yeah I watched it yeah I watched that thing that ruined me forever it's this opportunity to and it's you say is like yes this will make a great show it could have gone bad oh yeah it could have gone in the wrong hands yeah long hands in the wrong way and this is the thing that I really applaud about Neil is just because you have an opportunity doesn't mean you need to take it and the patience and the restraint that he showed to go this isn't a feature um this there's a better way to tell this and then people like oh so here's the formula you do it as a show that's the formula it's like no because what network are you doing it on who's your showrunner if your show runner isn't literally coming off of this wildly successful completely anticipated um thing with HBO that HBO comes to him and goes what do you want to do next here's your checkbook what do you think I want to make a laugh with like sure and boom and we're going to make the most expensive show that we've ever made which also speaks to I'm so glad they didn't just drop all the episodes at once and that's more like an HBO thing as in like you they picked the right Studio to work with yeah because if you do like a Netflix bottle or anything else and I'm not you know disparaging that at all clearly it's been a successful model but I think for this I think that event viewing is back I think that we want our Sunday night show yeah absolutely yeah and talk about it yeah and that to me is why this has become a thing is they they didn't try to make this viral pardon the Pun It's actually fun I know it yeah yeah but what they what they were aiming for everyone we do if we tell it with Excellence if we just do it fearlessly then we will have they we will own the conversation Monday morning and I think that as a world we came back like we we're back into the world for the most part we're we're trying to find a way to back into community and we're now super socially awkward I was like what the [ __ ] do we talk about you know what I'm saying it was like before we were awkward now it's worse I know it's like now we have something to talk about so when you're sitting there and you're like everyone's kind of feeling weird because no one's talking about the fact that we were just in our room for two years yeah yeah and we go did you watch the show last night oh my God now we have a common yeah but also even the fact that because like again using episode three again like I needed that week of time to process yeah could you imagine trying to go into another episode um yeah his reaction was probably the best what did he [Laughter] just the the full just like I'm owning all of the tears and like goes over to his boyfriend or his husband and I'm just like stop but that's gonna I think that kind of reaction and and every degree like look if you weren't in tears beside your soul being dead which you should get checked out by other spiritual advisor or physical professionals I think that I I think that can hit you on all levels it's not about being the gut puncher look how much we can make you cry I think that one of the best byproducts of that story is that people sat and thought yeah um what is my relationship like what is my relationship to people like this like um and to me that's the best thing you can do there's also a lot of stuff that happened as far as like lore yeah and we get to we get to find a lot about Joel in a very short amount of time we get to find a lot of stuff we set up some great stuff with Ellie the Mortal Kombat game will be coming back um so yeah incredible well I do have some questions um for you some for everybody oh I'll share my time so this might be hard to answer but I'm curious your favorite part about being the voice of Joel In The Last of Us game versus your favorite part of playing James in The Last of Us television show I I have to say I was listening to something or watching something um I always go with my gut response so you could ask me tomorrow and it could be a different answer but for right now this is my answer um Michael Caine was talking about refrained it probably would be better than mine yeah [Music] he was talking about um use the difficulty and how it was uh a piece of advice that is acting coach gave him and he was trying to come on stage for this specific scene but he couldn't because the door was blocked by a chair and he says I'm sorry sir I can't come on stage like why not it's because the chair goes use the difficulty he goes what do you mean he goes well is it a comedy if it's a comedy fall over the chair if it's a drama pick up the chair and smash it use the difficulty Jessica is such regardless and he goes I applied that to my life and and I believe that as well for a long time all growing up I I avoided obstacles and it hindered me it as a person um as an actor for sure and even as a musician it hindered me but for me the thing that I love most about being a part of this story in any capacity is um the challenges that it's given me I I can we could spend hours talking about all the different things that this thing has taught me the the life lessons that it's taught me but my favorite thing whether it be Joel or James and it sounds like it's a punt answer besides the challenges and there were there was a day on set where um I was and we talk about this in the podcast as well but we uh the the podcast we're doing for HBO I should say that um we do like essentially like a episode podcast yeah they let me host the conversation that happens kind of afterwards with Craig and Neil and I get to ask all the questions that hopefully everybody else is asking but regardless of what I want to know but I I got to share kind of one of my my dark moments on set where I thought I was blowing it I thought that Craig was you know he's a showrunner he's you know boots on the ground um Neil is having to also run naughty dog so he's running the show as much as he can from Santa Monica at Naughty Dog Studios and so I'm kind of I was without my anchors and there was a scene that got cut and I thought it was one of my big bigger scenes um it I ended up being covered in logistical reasons like originally in the script there's this whole thing that Ellie does back and forth and when they get to locations they don't have those streets he was like we're not doing that thing so I but I thought that I was blowing it and I really spiraled and I got in my head about it and and Craig wasn't there and Neil wasn't there and so I when I have a tendency to feel like I'm I'm failing I withdraw yeah so I got really really quiet and if you've spent any time around me that's not me and so so the next day I show up and I see Craig and he comes up and he was like hey I'm like hey man he goes how are you I'm like better than yesterday because what happened yesterday it gets a real concern and it's like I um you know just kind of felt like this and he goes he picked the perfect word um he said you were rattled and I said yeah I was rattled and he said do you have my number I was like no I don't have your number here's my number he goes if that ever ever happens again you text me and I will come find you and it like and beat you up because it beats you up because you're failing um and he says as a showrunner he has to you know wear many hats one of those is a therapists but that for me personally was was one of my favorite things because I've also had those moments with Neil those moments of contention that a friendship is born from that um but my favorite thing my favorite thing has been seeing how this story has impacted people and yeah whether it be like I tell the story all the time where there's a dad in Indiana and he said I had a daughter and I started playing that game and I get to the opening and I put the controller down because I can't bear the thought of that and I I didn't play the game for six months and then I went back and he said I played through the game and I got to them the giraffe moment as he called it and he said it just I guess it goes to show you that sometimes you got to do the hard thing to find your giraffe moment I'm like ah [ __ ] me man well it's it's those moments and it's it's the fact that besides millions of copies sold means that millions of people have experienced the story and they have healed relationships with their daughter healed relationship with their father healed relationship with their loved ones healed relationships with themselves they've experienced something that is bigger than them they're not part of a community and now to know that's expanding out to people that will never pick up a controller and that that story is now being in the hearts of all new millions of people that is and I get to I get to watch I get to be a part of that that's that's the coolest thing absolutely no that was an incredible answer yeah this episode of always open is sponsored by Shady Rays take on the sun with gear built to last our friends at Shady Rays have you covered for the warm weather ahead with premium polarized Shades at an affordable price Shady Rays is an independent sunglasses company that offers a world-class product 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Pascal playing Joel yeah doing a phenomenal job truly if you could play on the on-screen version of any character you or someone else voiced who would you play so basically if you could if you could portray any video game character in a movie or TV adaptation to just be the last of us it doesn't have to be like I already had my last of us one locked and loaded oh did you yeah I mean if that's shared it well I mean or not or whatever you want it's um oh God the uh who is the she's so buff the second game here's my reason I would love to have a Hollywood fitness trainer just trained me to get that buff for the roll just destroy people and yeah and then also like playing like an antagonist then it gets like is is is then like I I mean I loved and in the second game I was like oh no I'm team Abby like all the way I can't it's like because it's one of those things where you're playing a video game and you're just like I'm gonna do this Quest I killed these eight guys and you're like they have families and then it's just like you're like Abby's not the villain from hers yeah exactly so um and I think that's really cool character that would be uh super sick to portray but also again just having that trainer oh yeah that used to be I was like if I get cast in a Marvel yeah being paid to work out yeah there's no other option but to in the end look good so there's no there's no you can't fail no yeah you got to do it right exactly conversation oh let's hear what is it can I please sure you can there's nothing stopping you there's nothing stopping you from doing that right now I'm failing to get buffed yeah yeah there is there is a I understand the financial aspect of like having that trainer and having people that are like here's the food that you're gonna eat and and the the concierge level of that I totally understand um but there's there's people that I know I mean James Williams is transforming his body um I I think that they're not human he's no he's not but here's the thing that I really really respect about James is that he is he's learning he's a student and like I I've been watching him how he works out and everything and I reached out to him um like a month ago I can't talk a month or so ago and I was like hey how are you how are you feeling about this he's like I really need to work on my Mobility I was like bro now we're talking because just because you get big and buff and like we were talking about the actor before we don't need to talk about him again um you can you can swell up and get and get small like a balloon yeah and and like Matt Damon's a perfect example that guy has been literally just like a huge yoked to just emaciate and literally put himself in the hospital Christian Bale Christian Bale he's not human like yeah his metabolism is a superpower it's not it's not fair yeah that's right but the the thing that I would we talk a lot about I was thinking about this last night it's so stupid like the thoughts that I have when I'm alone in the car in the shower in the car those are my two temples that I just like those are my stupid times Jessica I really really I just love you too I was I was thinking about this conversation today and for you audio listeners Troy reached out and touched Barbara's shoulder that was that was unwarranted we don't touch the hosts Jesus we talk a lot about mental health and I think that we should I think that mental health we should normalize that conversation because if somebody had a fever for two days if they would go to the doctor at the very least take some medicine but the fact that someone can go I've had debilitating sad thoughts or I've gotten out of bed there's nothing physically wrong with me I can I cannot get my heart to be in the place that I need it to be that is something that we should talk about like we talk about covet or the flu or anything else so I believe in normalize that conversation however I would add on to that conversation most of the people that I find that really talk the most about how they're struggling with their mental health never talk about their physical health and I think that there is those we are a closed system and those things definitely directly impact each other so if you are someone who finds it that your mental health is a struggle I would also encourage you to bring that physical health into the conversation as well and look at what you're eating look at how smooth yeah it's actually annoying because as a person who is depressed a lot of the time but also does other stuff uh it's when I when like pre-panty I was like I got really in the wrong way is that a new phrase Fanny pre-panny prepanning pre-pandemic Panini I don't know if I can get behind it because it sounds like it sounds like panties and I don't like the word pants that's why I say it uh but prepanning is super into climbing and one more time yeah yeah and it was this was pre-panty yeah where it's like you get annoyed because you're like ah [ __ ] this did fix it yeah you're like oh yeah it's like I can't believe that drinking water waking up early and moving my body doing hard things makes me feel better that's so stupid yeah it's very inconvenient it's annoying my wife said this the other day she was like I don't have time to get in the gym I don't have time for a CrossFit class I don't have time for a pilates class I don't have time for this what I do have time though is to build into my future self I have I have time to invest in my 60 year old self to make sure that I can move that I'm healthy the the Aesthetics of it now are are just like a that's a perk it's a byproduction but I twice have sprained my ass that is a thing you can actually do I busted my ass we finally got this in his ass and the reason why is because I haven't been sitting standing sleeping properly has nothing to do with how I'm lifting well it does feed into how I like lift weights if I lift it incorrectly so the people that are like I threw up three plates on either side like good for you dude what does your spine look like yeah what was your posture to redoing it correctly yeah because literally some of the workouts that I do there's no weight I there was a picture that I put up on my Instagram I'm literally sitting it looks like I'm saying can you please help me one of the hardest things I ever did I just literally just went hey yeah that's why I also jumping over chain link fence but I just anyway for it your mental health and your physical health are tied and that doesn't mean you need to get into a gym and go to a 24 or go to an equinox and go for a [ __ ] they just dance didn't do that during the pandemic very much I mean I talked to you about it a lot because pre-panny um I I was not like that at all yeah and I I feel like I completely training together yes you and I were training together and like not often but enough to keep that kind of yeah mental health capacity of it up and then once the pandemic hit um I still tried to maintain some type of movement and then as time went on you just kind of slowly swing off of that you're also a social person too you need people and when you're times what I'm saying is that you as long as you can control that situation other times you're like go away but they're like dolls you want to play with them but no it absolutely just you get used to used to doing things is your reality now and that you're stuck there and then once you just start going even if it's just a little bit you realize like oh this is actually making me feel even just a little better and then you do a little bit more and a little bit more and then you start to feel like you could achieve something again and actually get out of that funk whereas before it felt so permanent and so deep and so dark um so I couldn't agree with you more just start moving yeah like just do it you know that um Shia LaBeouf video where he's yelling at you and he's like just do it don't let your dreams be Dreams yeah sometimes when I'm like in one of those moments you're talking about I just like can hear him yelling at me just to do it and he's just like screaming yeah and because it it really is so simple when you think about it just do it and when you think about like the the way your brain works and the fact that I can literally move say for instance you're like I'm not gonna eat that cookie and you have it in your hand just put it back you have the like my arm moves this way drop you know what I mean and it's just so hard for for certain weight people in your brain everything that's just so interesting well just do it difficult sometimes I think I think that there's a there's a healthy one of my favorite phrases or quotes is Oscar Wilde was all things in moderation including moderation and I think that yes sometimes it was the uh GIF of the woman with all the math equations [Laughter] including motivations like sometimes you need to indulge and it doesn't mean that the cookie is bad oh yeah it means that food is not moral I like that yeah isn't it crazy yeah the cookies not bad it's too much water you'll die yeah I mean you'll drown yourself [Laughter] no no that's what I have it's something yeah you drink too much water it'll like shut your kidneys down yeah it's crazy um type of drowning well well what you're saying yeah drown yourself you do it from the inside yeah as opposed to the outside yeah it's possible just like that yes [Laughter] live action adaptation of a character that you voiced or or not I mean live action is really hard yeah um I as I get older like there's there's some roles that are just not right for me to play the beauty of being in video games is that I when I was how old was I 36 I think when I when I got cast is Joel maybe 34 maybe yeah oh wow yeah 12 years yeah 12 years ago so I mean I I was 34 and I was playing a 50 year old yeah um and looked nothing I joke about this they're my my jeans reflected light there were a lot of words on my clothes do you know what I mean yeah like I've seen photos of you from that area not good there was a lot of there was a lot there were a lot of crosses happening everywhere just everywhere um and my hair was in multiple directions it just wasn't good um but I think that dark times I get to I get to play characters that no one would ever ever like you cast Pedro Pascal as Joel you look at it on your go holy [ __ ] why did I never see that yeah um and he's killing it oh yeah but then the beauty is is I get to disappear behind roles and my favorite compliment is when someone goes that that wasn't you like that did my job yeah um I feel like a chameleon you're like an Espio the Chameleon mm-hmm I've talked about this before I really I love team chaotic sometimes well I'll go Sonic with you all day long let's go I growing up Daredevil was Batman graphic novels and and Daredevil were my two like my refuges they they resonated with me because their their stories of people born out of tragedy and the very thing that defines them is one of the worst moments of their life and from that they they gain strength and the cool thing about Daredevil is it was a it was an accident that that that crippled him it blinded him and he'd learned how to develop that into an ability that not only did he you know Batman's awesome because he has to play the role of this you know billionaire playboy but Daredevils was like I still went to law school yeah and I still do this pro bono and to me that was just like [ __ ] great um so I look at Daredevil and that's that's not something that I think for me I could in a live-action adaptation I could play um I've talked about this a lot where I I would love to direct that game as far as like from a cinematic standpoint um because and I would what I would want to do is I would want to partner with someone in that community that could really guide me through what if what the blind experience is like yeah because that to me is something that is talk about representation that is something that Steve Saylor is someone who's uh the blind gamer and and he talks about how we've seen the uptick in diverse or in uh um uh representation no it's it's accessibility I think has gone up because there's a whole new there's a whole new gamer that's out there that's wanting to experience this and it's not cut off by by the the limitations of this we can actually speak to that um but live action from a game dude I don't I normally I have something in the chamber for you every time I really really don't know who I would want to be well think on it and then we'll just have to have you on another episode I guess that's your answer hey I'm that good um well loved getting to talk to you about that though I mean so much I feel like we could talk about your experience with that show and the game and everything and that franchise for hours but there's some other New Beginnings on the show um Griff hi you recently went through I don't want to say went through a change but kind of made a decision with the name change yeah a lot of people in our audience who are watching this know you as Kayla yeah Andrew sales from sales Caleb from sales I'm not group from SCF yes so could you talk a bit about that process and and kind of your thoughts behind it uh yeah I mean it wasn't really that hard of a process it was like a I've never really connected to my name at all uh and it I felt like it didn't really reflect me as a person and then I don't know I I literally was just like one day I was like I feel like I was either like scrolling through Twitter or watching something I don't know and I saw the name and then I heard the name I was like I like that that feels right it feels good yeah and I like kind uploaded it by my partner and she was like yeah sure whatever and then I was like okay actually whatever and I was like I don't want to make like a big deal out of it so then that that was also the hard part because like I feel like as soon as I did it it I I wish I made very clearly I mean very clear because I was like I this is not like a it's not it's related to trans issue like it's not like that because I'm like no that's not my that's not my I'm not gonna take that light uh it's literally just like it didn't feel like who I was as a person it's interesting because as long as I've known you I've never felt like Kayla fit you no I've always hated that night yes named after my great great grandfather but uh yeah so it was just uh yeah and you know it's been feeling good yeah feeling nice into it and yeah it's fun I feel like I express myself as like kind of like a cool team like a cool teen boy and now I feel like that name reflects it you know I mean full team boy group yeah yeah okay all right I feel like it is interesting that that some of the things that I've chosen and I think we collectively choose to be convenient identifiers yeah are things that have absolutely nothing to do with who we are um if I say so tell me about yourself typically people are going to say uh this is my name which was assigned to me um my age which I have no control over where I live which for most people is not their choice where you were born which is accident like you didn't choose that yeah your parents and if you're like well I'm from Texas but I I live here it's like well because my parent my dad got a job and we ended up moving yeah so it's all the or what I do for a living yeah is typically people and the reason why I know most people don't like their job is the number one question I get is like how do I get to do what you do yes I hate what I do terrible question it's all those things and for you to be able to reclaim that man it would I love my son's name yeah like I traveler I think is [ __ ] cool yeah so you said that I was like oh that's sick out the door yeah he could come to me and and say uh I want to be Jason and we're like or he could say my name is Stephanie yeah I do I have as a parent look you'll accept it but you'll be like hear me out Travelers gender neutral it's cooler I I think there's an aspect of that I I look at it now as a parent and before I think I had the benefit not the benefit I had the privilege and the uh the luxury of having an opinion on it and as a parent I don't have that I don't have the opinion I I am compelled to love him yeah which means I'm compelled to love whoever he is or whoever if he decides to change that it's like dude I don't care man it's his soul that I care about yep yeah um I just I I really respect and come in that for you going this doesn't speak to me can I ask how like your family you talked about how your partner responding how did your family respond to that uh Evan talk to my family but yeah this isn't it's like one of those things like they can call me whatever they want to call me but in my day to date like that to you like you said things factors out of your control to me that feels like something out of my control and I also feel like again for me because it's not directly tied to like my gender identity that it doesn't feel is necessary for me to like have to get my family on board because like it's just like well I mean they're not on board with a lot like you know it's like there's a lot of stuff you don't tell your parents oh yeah it's like yeah for pro both of your benefits like it's only good like to me that would be like trying to get my mom on board with me being like yeah I went out and got drunk last night like she's never gonna be okay with that so I'm just like whatever family loves to give unsolicited opinions oh yeah you know it's just I didn't ask you yeah yeah let's go get straight to them yeah everyone's also still processing the whole gay thing so I'm like we're fine tack it on to the top yeah there you go and also this too yeah are you hoping that it eventually because I know you're a little kind of flexible on it yeah you know go by Griff more public facing and you're kind of whatever behind the scenes yeah but are you hoping that it becomes like a more permanent thing maybe like a legal change I have no idea just kind of plan it by ear yeah I love it I love that I don't I've never planned a day and never planned it is with two F's though yeah she did us I confirmed it because that was to us is there is there a legacy of one F I don't know I just like when I was typing in my phone I was like one or two uh so that just could be my dumbass you know you just never know I also I didn't make the choice use two eyes instead of an o yeah I don't know why I just like the way it looked yeah all right because it's cool yeah it fits you I love it thank you um and then Jessica yeah also a new beginning for you I did uh you got engaged you did oh congrats about let me see you um uh yes the beginning of December we did it was very nice yeah we've been together for eight years but whoa yeah really yeah well okay seven and a half okay we round up because we started banging six months before we made it official there you go you know so you physically have been together yes yes correct uh for eight years and as in yeah one penis no just kidding um but yeah so ever since it happened everyone keeps asking you know how does this does it feel different and all that the only thing that really feels strange and different In Like A New Beginning is now I'm like in probably not a great way obsessed with like him not dying oh so like any any yeah so like that'll change because you know what yeah cause then you have to be a widow exactly because now I'm like all right great now I'm back yeah now I'm a widow yeah it's now become a burden because I'm like all right I'm making this commitment to you now so like you need to like when he goes he's like I'm gonna go to the corner store and get some rillos as we smoke the green herbs of the earth and um I love you come back don't die exactly I say that to him yeah I say that to him don't get you know and I'm like no I need you to be careful and he's like I'm gonna be fine I'm like well you just nah you never know I always tell Trevor he needs to remain in pristine condition absolutely absolutely because before this [ __ ] yeah no like from a like Health standpoint oh yeah absolutely better not get scratch on that yes because before the ring was on my finger I was like I could bust out in here anytime you know but now I'm like oh [ __ ] wait till you have to go through legal proceedings tonight you can still bust out you haven't checked your box on your W-2 you know you're right that is true sure that's true but I think you should file a little single yeah yes but I and you guys might know this I don't know if you know this but I come from a divorced family and not only are like my immediate parents divorced like everybody in my family is divorced my grandparents my aunts and uncles so I've never really had like an amazing um relation yeah so look I do I got a Italian Irish Portuguese Christmases yeah they're all all over the place and so it was it's just a lot so with this commitment was a big a big thing for me and like anytime I see a couple that's been together for like 30 years I'm like how did how did you do it like something went wrong but they're like no it's real like okay and over time as we've been together again for eight years I've started to believe in that and I've gone to therapy and have worked through it so um he was like are you ready to do this I'm like all right let's do it so here we are on this journey I'm gonna break your Disney movie you're addressing your familial trauma and you're breaking the cycle you are in conto yeah yeah yeah and you're Moana yes no wonder you grew up you know you have this yeah because like everything we watch as a kid is like which parent is going to be the dice yeah that's weird right it's a little weird every single thing is just like and then we're either going to kill the parent on screen or they're all already dead we'll just hear The Gunshot and the birds will fly over we're like Mom's not coming back anymore it's like know that little deer now Grows by himself oh my God in the forest with a bunny one of the first movies we ever saw if it was a Bambi Bambi Fox and the Hound one thing that'll that'll really help you feel better about death is an inevitability right yes um not if I could help it I mean I was fighting against that because I I'm currently searching on what is beyond death whether there is something or not I'm a very spiritual person I could always talk about that offline but yes I hear you the answer is yes yes so what that is yeah the answer is yes okay but what that is well if we really can get off okay yeah yeah yeah but the the thing that I was saying that will help you feel better about um your partner and their mortality is just get a really good insurance policy like a really good one be really good extra for it yeah and you're like not connected to your job either gotta have two yeah look at you guys if they're just like you're like how you feeling sign this you know I don't give a [ __ ] should I up this you guys yeah every time every time he coughs up the premium by 10 cents I'm gonna go to the store [ __ ] it come back don't come back I don't care you're killing me I'm rich either I get you and we get this loving relationship or I am [ __ ] loaded yeah can I assuage your other thing about the divorce please do hear me out okay you have to remember you have to remember a lot of our four mothers had to get married to some guy yes because otherwise they couldn't have a car or a house or a bank account so they just had this that was like 20 years ago yeah and their mom was telling them that the guy that was harassing them after school every day was probably a good guy and they should just like let him take him out to the supermarket or what is it the soda fountain shot okay yeah and then they just like married some dude at like 17 and then they were like if you married someone that you were dating at 17 do you think you'd still be together when you're 40. no that's why the Divine Street was so high I've been like 15 people since I was exactly you're mostly semi most almost final form okay so like you know eight years in and you feel like yeah I know this is probably pretty stable yeah and I feel like that's why people are better at being married now yeah because this is not just some some dude off the street that is true that will get them access to a bank account daughter you're marrying him yeah together we shall join our farms and for some reason I sound like I'm from New England yes what do you bring what do you offer for my daughter's hands yes she's worth at least two goats yes just make sure you don't touch them before you go through customs wait but was that were we recording that yeah part we did report that or was that before we started recording are you guys okay no it's good it's okay okay it's okay we're still good we've never sounded better Barbara how are you hi welcome to the show um I know we were so it's so funny because with this iteration of always up and I'm like we'll keep the show a little shorter a little bit and I'm like where's guest is Troy Baker no we're not gonna have a short show with Troy Baker we ran out of film we do have some audience questions I want to get to at least one of them um and I will say if you have a question for us for the show you could email us at alwaysopen roosterteeth.com we'd be happy to take your questions give you some advice or just talk about it or judge you whatever you can text her [Laughter] all right so here is our question so in November 2022 I had my entire life ripped up and was basically given the option to move across the country or be homeless ended up settling down in San Antonio from North Jersey drove the 1900 miles on my own and was only able to take what fit in my car what advice do you have for someone who has left behind everyone and everything and has to start over from a 28 year old who was pretty lost in life man oh man please I'll I don't want to take it over well the first thing that came to my mind and I did this actually recently was um I use Bumble BFF for the first time okay um if I don't know if you're looking for well there's there's mainly like ladies on this there's I've come across some dudes and I'm like are you just looking for sexuals I don't know but anyway um [Applause] um that was actually the alternative title foreign but yeah that I mean I I met one person on there uh she's pregnant now and has a child so we're still living different lives but um I don't know that's a good point you know to like meet some people there's a lot of community-based stuff yeah uh I moved here I know anybody yeah I was alone uh what I did was like uh you could well you could do something like usually there's like a subreddit for your city yeah for people who are new to the city and you can post there about your interest and then you'll get put in a Discord group with a bunch of nerds and then you make friends with them uh and then you know that that can work uh you can like you said Bumble BFF uh sometimes you match with people on Tinder and it's not yep looking for sexual it ends up being a cool friendship that you have for six years uh and I feel like there's like a if you're but also I know like not having a community and not having like a place that you feel like you can call home is very hard and I feel like maybe it's it's like a having to do the work within yourself to kind of shift what that means because if you can't have right now a support system instead of like just being like Oh I have to like tough it up and like make my own or go back and deal with that it's like you could always just what you can run what that means for you even if it's just like oh I have this co-worker maybe we have the same interests and I know that I can like talk to this person I feel like we as people are more social than we think but think that no one else is so we don't talk to each other yes uh so maybe just like looking past like working past that and just like opening yourself up to like experiences and people that you may not have in the first like normally like Hobbies too like if you like a certain hobby or something I don't know you like painting classes yeah again like climbing I didn't climb before I moved here yeah to me there is almost nothing more exciting than getting to start over oh my gosh really like the same thing oh a clean sheets clean sheets it's who do you want to be yeah what what kind of Life do you want to live what what do you want to try what do you want to do it's like an open book yeah um you basically have opportunity to reinvent yourself if that's what you want to change your name change your name I mean obviously I'm very sorry that whatever happened to you is clearly not the greatest situation for you having your life ripped up from you I'm sorry that you experienced that but I'm so excited for you yeah that's a great answer you and I are 100 optimistic applied in that I love that you guys have practical like I instantly go to like if you if your life was a movie right now if you could if you could somehow step outside of being in your own movie and just observe it for a second you're at the you're at that origin story yeah this is the queen it's literally how a great story starts you've got popcorn you're like holy [ __ ] this is gonna what is she gonna do now what are they gonna do now I think that you are exactly what you said it is a fresh start and being able to lean into that and it's for me it's always hard to look at it as um changing the currency of the conversation from this happened to me to this is happening with me yeah um and that is a it is a really really I'm not I'm not discounting that as a practice uh or as an even as a concept but I would say to you you did have choice in that um because you could have chosen Annihilation you could have chosen being homeless yeah there's a there's a thing in you that says I can do something about this and you did hell yeah because right now I have someone who's going through this right now they are choosing to be homeless and they could turn it around if they wanted to and so there is a choice that you had and you chose life you chose to be better that goes for anybody else if you're whatever your situation is if you are fighting there are people that right now as we know are are contemplating ending life and you have the ability to go I choose life and that sometimes for some people can be a minute by minute hour by hour day by day thing but the point is if you view your own life as a movie it's a great movie because you know it's going to get better and you could write the plot and you get to right that's a good answer yeah and also you're never too old for anything so being 28 . I moved out to L.A and I did this I remember exactly where I was it was the 7-Eleven that was right at Cahuenga and the 134 the 170. it's my favorite character it's the cousin that never showed me what episode got cut is terrible yeah I I was like I I don't know what I've done because I realized that I didn't have enough money to go back and it was like Coronado burned the ships and I realized I was here for good or for bad I was here and there's something that that happens to all of us it's something that happened to me when I was like I have to and there's a great pulling from the have to um it's either that or I go back home and if I somehow find a way to to quote fail yeah but I I again I just encourage you to I've known what it's like to start over from scratch and it's the best thing to have to me and I did that when I was 30. so nice yeah absolutely I had like a super super shitty like past eight months and like I remember the advice I got at one point that I hated and made me really mad and I was like this [ __ ] stupid shut the [ __ ] up I [ __ ] hate you but then like now I'm looking at I'm like okay no you're right but like uh it was like it's everything is temporary and nothing's forever yeah and like no matter what you're going through or what's happening right now and it feels like it's the worst you will eventually be able to look at it in the past behind you yes and hearing it right now [ __ ] sucks and you're like no you're not no absolutely not I've now that I'm at the other end I'm like okay yeah sure you were right you're correct it's the way you could think about yeah every everything that you've been through every hardship in your life you've thought at that moment this is so this is it this is the worst thing and then you've gotten through that yeah so why not the next time you laugh at though two cliches a lot of it two cliches one that you said uh or not not one that you said temporary well that but whatever it's the the only way to get through it is just to get through it yeah so there's that cliche and then for you is you've survived what is it 100 of your hardest or worst days yeah so like it's like okay which again you hear it I know you're like I know but then it's like it's true I think being able to hear that from either different people or hear it when you need to hear because sometimes we get wisdom when we're not ready to receive it that's definitely happened for me someone has repeated something that I was like I wasn't ready to hear that when I was x amount of age or or in this place in my life but now I am but someone turned it on turned me on to this which I thought was really fascinating is that you experience the the single most traumatic thing that ever happened in your life you experienced at the beginning that's the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone it's traumatic is which is typically why we believe that we don't remember it that's right you were ripped from the only world that you ever knew all of a sudden the way that you breathe you had to change you you were ripped you were you were a part of a person and now you're not part of that person anymore I hate this I know I know everything then you were the most vulnerable and you survived that so you can survive anything can't think of a better note to end the show on um thank you all so much for being here Troy thank you for coming in thank you for being on the premiere Jessica great thank you for being here thanks for having us um thank you so much for tuning in to our premiere of always open uh we hope you continue to watch every single week we will not be taking seasons for season breaks so just keep on watching um we will be on the all good no worries YouTube channel as well as all the social channels look for all good no worries we're going to be posting some very fun content and other very fun shows for you guys to look out for um and if you have questions as I mentioned before email those to alwaysopen roosterteeth.com thank you guys so much for watching and we'll see you next week [Music] thank you

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Published: Tue Mar 07 2023