The Final Facts Part 5 - Punishment of Hell 2

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Well now, let me continue talking about  this sombre subject, and I particularly   want to begin now with this very serious  question, “How long will hell last?” You see,   even some annihilationists who believe we’re  heading for oblivion if we’re sinners, some of   them do believe we go to hell for a little bit  of suffering before we’re obliterated. Frankly,   all this means that annihilation is good news.  Perhaps that’s why those who believe this don’t   preach it, because it would have the wrong effect  on people. But actually if I’m a sinner and I’ve   sinned for seventy or eighty years, and got  away with it, oblivion is great news isn’t   it? Even if I’m sent to hell for a bit there’s  still the good news, there is a hope in hell:   a hope of being obliterated. So in  fact it’s good news is annihilation.  But let’s look at this. How long does anyone  suffer in hell? The traditional answer has   always been ‘forever.’ But that answer is being  very widely questioned, I have to say, mainly   by Anglican evangelicals right now. But what does  Jesus say? Now I think the whole question has been   approached from the wrong angle. The angle that  most of the discussion is taking place today is,   ‘How long will human beings suffer in hell?’  Whereas I believe we’ve got to approach that   question from another angle. You see, hell  was never prepared for human beings. God never   intended any human beings to go there. “He  prepared it,” says Jesus, “for the devil and   all his angels.” He didn’t prepare it for us. In the sheep and the goats parable - it’s not   a parable really, it’s a prophecy - but in that  story Jesus says to the goats, “Depart from me you   cursed into the everlasting punishment prepared  for the devil and his angels.” God prepares heaven   for us but he prepared hell for the devil and his  angels, whom we call demons. And that’s about a   third of the angels in existence who have sided  with Satan and rebelled against God according   to Revelation chapter twelve, but you can read  the whole chapter to find out the actual verse.  Now then, why did God have to prepare hell for the  devil and his angels? The answer is very simple:   Jesus said, “Angels cannot die.” Now angels  are real creatures, but they are creatures;   they’re part of God’s creation. They are higher in  the order of creation than us. We are not the peak   of God’s creation; angels are. Evolutionists  somehow have difficulty with that conception   because where did the angels come from? Monkeys  or wherever? You see, therein problems. But we   believe in angels. They are more intelligent than  we are; they are stronger than we are; they are   more flexible than we are; they are swifter in  travel than we can be; they are superior to us   in every way. And in one particular they are very  superior: we are mortal but angels are immortal.  I don’t mean by that that they always existed.  They had a beginning as we do, but they have no   end. They cannot die whereas we can. And that is  why angels don’t marry or reproduce; they are a   fixed number. They cannot increase or decrease.  They are there and God created them immortal. So   since one third of them have rebelled against God  and are now evil angels, or “demons” we call them,   and they cannot die, what does God do with them?  And the answer is he prepares a place where they   can be isolated from his universe. It’s because  they cannot die that he had to prepare the place   to shut them up and shut them off from influence. Now once we start there we ask, ‘Then if they are   immortal and in hell, this isolated place forever,  what is their experience in that place?’ And the   answer in the Bible is crystal clear: the devil  and his angels will be tormented day and night   forever and ever. There could not be a clearer  or stronger statement in the Bible than that.   They are immortal; they are confined to hell and  they suffer torment. That word means ‘conscious   pain.’ It can mean nothing else. Day and night,  which means ‘without any let up,’ forever and   ever. And there is no stronger statement in  the Greek language than forever and ever. It   can only mean forever and ever. It literally  translated says, ‘Unto the ages of the ages.’   That’s a very, very long, long, long time. So what do the annihilationists do with those   statements about the devil and his angels being  tormented forever and ever? The answer is they   ignore them or they dismiss them, but they will  not face them. But there are some who do say,   ‘All right, let’s accept that the  angels suffer in hell forever,   but human beings won’t.’ But there is nothing in  the Bible whatever to suggest that there is any   difference of destiny between the devil and his  angels and human beings who join them - none at   all. And in fact we have clear statements that  human beings will be tormented forever and ever.  For example, in that one verse where it says the  devil will be tormented day and night forever and   ever it says, “He will be tormented with the  Beast and the False Prophet forever and ever.”   And those two at least are human beings. All  antichrists are human beings and all false   prophets are human beings. So here we have at  least two human beings of whom it is said they   will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Then we have another much larger group mentioned.   Those people who in that final rule of that  world dictator called the “Antichrist” who   submit to having his number laser beamed onto  their flesh so that they can buy and sell at   the supermarket - and that is an entirely  credible scenario now since most of us are   using numbers anyway on plastic, and they’re  already talking about tattooing or laser beaming   numbers on your hand or your face so you can  just go to the checkout and put your hand in a   machine and everything will be debited to you. Now it says in the book of Revelation that is   how buying and selling will be done in the last  days. And it will take a great deal of courage   to refuse to carry that number on your flesh  because you will then not be able to buy and   sell. You’ll be out of the market, not be able  to get enough food. It says of those who accept   that number in order to buy food that they will  be tormented forever and ever, the same phrase,   “To the ages of the ages.” When Jesus says to the  goats, “Depart from me you cursed into the eternal   punishment prepared for the devil and his angels,”  The plainest simplest meaning of that language is,   ‘Your destiny is the same as theirs.’ It is  for that reason that, though I hate to say   it and wish I didn’t have to say it, that  I believe the traditional understanding   of hell as everlasting torment is what our New  Testament teaches. That makes it very horrible   but I believe it to be the truth. I can’t  get round the plain statements of scripture.  Let me then go to another serious question,  and probably the biggest shock that you’ll get   today - who goes to hell? What do you have to do  to qualify? Now there are two groups dealt with   in scripture. One are carefree sinners, those  who just do not listen to their conscience,   who simply do what they want to do. And  altogether there are 120 sins listed in   the New Testament that could take a person to  hell. It’s a frightening number. They’re usually   in separate lists of about anywhere between  half a dozen and ten in each list. There are   two lists on the last two pages of the Bible.  And when you look at those lists and put them   altogether you’ve got 120 things that carefree  sinners are doing that are on the broad road   that leads to hell. As you would guess, sexual  immorality figures frequently in those lists,   whether fornication - sex before marriage - or  adultery - sex after marriage with a partner other   than your own. Those figure quite frequently. So  does homosexual activity. How can we be silent   when we know things could take a person into the  kind of suffering that we’ve been talking about?  But it’s a mistake if you think that sexual  immorality is the main thing on those lists.   There are plenty of other things on the lists.  Idolatry occurs frequently. Now we may say,   ‘Well that doesn’t touch me thank God. I’ve  never bowed down to a lump of wood or stone   and worshipped it.’ But when you find out that  in those lists greed is classified as idolatry   you have to think again. It’s interesting that the  commandment that most people have most difficulty   with is the tenth, “Thou shalt not covet,”  which in simple language means, “Thou shalt   not be greedy.” And again, it’s usually our  eyes that lead us into greed. The blind don’t   have that same problem. But greed is one of the  things we’re being taught through our commercial   advertising and in many other ways. And it says,  “Greed which is idolatry,” is listed there.  Social injustices are also listed. Have you  ever heard it said that the New Testament   doesn’t condemn slavery? Well actually it does.  If you look up Paul’s first letter to Timothy, in   chapter one he lists the things that could take a  person to hell. He mentions the murder of parents;   well now that’s pretty serious isn’t it? But then  straightaway he mentions slave traders. By the   way, if you thought that slavery had disappeared  from our world, you’d better think again. It’s   still very much alive. But there are much more  refined sins in that list of 120. Unbelief is   classed as a sin that could take you to hell. But one of the most surprising is in the second   last list in Revelation 21. It says there, “The  cowardly” - the cowardly go to the lake of fire.   Now what does cowardly mean? It means those  who for fear of people have not done or said   what they knew to be right, those who have  simply been cowards in standing up for what   is right. How does that grab you? Of course  there are the more subtle sins of pride and   other things. It is clear that there are many,  many things that could take a person to hell.  There is also the surprise that things a person  hasn’t done, that unbelievers haven’t done,   could take them there. Paul says those who do not  know God, or those who do not obey the gospel. Now   those are two different groups. Those who do  not know God are those who haven’t heard the   gospel but do know from their conscience and  creation that there is a God to whom they are   accountable. But those who do not obey the gospel  are those who have heard but who have refused   it. Only God knows who is in those two groups. Well now, I’m sure that so far everybody here who   is a Christian agrees with what I’ve said. Yes,  such things put a person in danger of hell; they   are on the broad way that leads to destruction.  But now comes the shock. The Bible also talks   about careless saints being in danger of hell,  and this is a real shock. You see, most of what   we know about hell comes from the lips of Jesus  and within the four gospels, almost everything   about hell is in the gospel of Matthew. Now this  is very, very significant. Why is there so little   about hell in Luke and nothing about hell in Mark,  and next to nothing about it in John? Why is it   all in Matthew from cover to cover? Well this  is where we need the Bible study that looks at   books as a whole. You see there are four gospels;  two of them were written for sinners and two for   saints. Two are written for unbelievers and two  for believers. Do you know which? John was not   written to unbelievers; it’s the most unsuitable  to give an unbeliever. How they get past the   first eighteen verses and still understand  it, I don’t know. We’re just hoping they’ll   get as far as John 3:16 and that might do the  trick. But John is written for believers—mature   believers. And Matthew is written for believers  but immature believers. It’s only Mark and Luke   that are written for sinners. They’re the  two gospels you should use in evangelism.  Matthew is a manual of discipleship. Matthew  doesn’t just tell you what Jesus did;   he collects Jesus’ teaching and he puts all the  teaching together in five major blocks obviously   to imply that Jesus is the new Moses, Moses having  given us five books of the Law and now we have   Jesus’ five books on the kingdom if you like. The  theme is the kingdom in all five. In the first,   which we call the “Sermon on the Mount,” the theme  is the lifestyle of the kingdom. Then we have the   mission of the kingdom in the second—chapter  ten. Then we have the growth of the kingdom in   chapter thirteen. Then we have the community of  the kingdom in chapter eighteen. Then we have   the future of the kingdom in chapter twenty-four  and twenty-five. All those five blocks of teaching   are addressed not to sinners but to disciples. It’s a shock to realize that Jesus rarely if   ever talked about hell to sinners. He gave  a warning twice to Pharisees about hell,   but every other warning he gave was given to born  again disciples who had received him, believed   in his name, and been born of God. That is the  shock, because I’m afraid this unbiblical cliché,   “Once saved always saved,” is everywhere. But here  we have the solemn thought that Jesus reserved   most of his warnings about hell for his own  followers, for those who were committed to him,   for those who had believed in him. Now do you  appreciate the significance of that? I believe   one of the main reasons why preaching hell  fell into disrepute was that it was preached   by Christians who had no fear of it themselves.  Do you understand what I’m saying? It was a kind   of, ‘You’re going to hell; I’m not. I’m going to  heaven.’ And that kind of preaching is arrogant   and offensive in the extreme. I believe no one  is ready to preach on hell unless they fear that,   having preached to others, they may be thrown  away themselves. It is believers who need to think   about hell. It is the disciples of Christ who most  need this message. Now I’ve explained that in full   in my book. That’s why it will be such a shock,  because this country is full of Christians who   think, ‘I’m in no risk of finishing up there.’ Therefore we need to ask what kind of thing   could lead a disciple of Jesus to hell? Here the  surprise is that whereas with carefree sinners the   emphasis is on what they do, and a little on  what they don’t do, with disciples - careless   saints - the emphasis is more on what they don’t  do. Now if you study the Sermon on the Mount,   it is a teaching for Christians. It’s not for  sinners; it’s not for unbelievers. It’s almost   impossible for believers, never mind unbelievers.  It’s for those who are the sons of the kingdom.  It tells us that in the kingdom there is to  be no anger, no lust, no worry. That’s why   you never see a Christian worried. You must have  noticed. Now why do we laugh? Why do we treat that   as a joke? You see, Jesus said, In my kingdom  the sons don’t worry because that’s a libel on   their Father in heaven. It’s saying, My Father  cares more about his garden and his pets than   he does about his kids. He feeds the birds of the  air, he clothes the flowers of the field, but me,   I’m just his child. I have to worry. That’s  libel. When you read the Sermon on the Mount,   that is a description of how Jesus expects his  disciples to live. To say yes when they mean yes,   and no when they mean no, not to get divorced  and remarried, not to pay back evil for evil.  And yet there are at least five warnings in the  Sermon on the Mount about hell. I’ve got a lot   of books on my shelf expounding the Sermon on  the Mount. Not one of them ever mentions that   a disciple is in danger of hell. Yet Jesus says,  “If you call someone a fool you’re in danger of   hell fire. If you look at a woman with lust you’re  heading there.” When he finished this teaching for   disciples he said, Now there are two ways you  can travel. There’s a broad way that leads to   destruction and there’s a narrow way that leads  to life, and he’s speaking to his own followers.   This is terribly important. And then, when you get  through to Matthew 25, which is entirely addressed   to the twelve on the Sermon on the Mount, he talks  about the virgins whose lamps ran out of oil,   about the man who buried his talent, and about  those who did not visit him when he was in prison,   or clothe him when he was naked. All things not  done, do you notice that? All things neglected.   That’s all. Not bad things. Not crimes. Not vices.  Just things not done that should have been done.  Now I cannot get round this straight teaching.  You see what Jesus is saying is this,   two things are needed to escape hell. One is  forgiveness and the other is holiness. One of   the clearest examples of this teaching is that  in Luke’s gospel, Jesus told a story of a feast   to which people were invited but they made  excuses. One said, “I’ve bought some oxen and   I must try them out.” Another said, “I’ve married  a wife.” Another said, “I’ve bought a field and I   must go and inspect it,” and they didn’t come.  So the host of the feast was angry and said,   “Go out into the highways and byways. Tell anybody  to come. My house shall be full.” It’s a wonderful   story to preach the gospel through. “Come and take  your place. There’s a place for you at the table.”  And it’s in Luke’s gospel that you find that  story for sinners. When you read the same   story in Matthew, there is a subtle twist.  The story ends with everybody accepting the   invitation and coming to the feast, but one man  turns up without wedding clothes. He doesn’t   bother to change his clothes. The end of the story  is that that man finishes in outer darkness and   with weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Matthew  is addressed to believers. To unbelievers the   message is, “Come there’s room for you at the  feast.” To believers the message is, “Now you come   in the right clothes. Change your dirty clothes.  Put on the righteousness that’s available for   you.” And those who don’t change their clothes  are at the last turned away from the feast.  I remember reading Pilgrim’s Progress by John  Bunyan and being greatly struck by a sentence   right at the end, where Pilgrim arrives at  the Jordan River, the black river of death,   and his companion is scared of this river. He  turns away and says, “I’m going to try and find   another way across,” and he walks down a  side path. And John Bunyan writes, “And so   I saw in my dream that there is a road to hell  even from the gates of heaven.” Now I believe,   and I say this from my heart, I believe that  the Church of today needs this message more   than ever. Why should the Lord be sending such  a message of repentance to Christians today?   It’s an extraordinary thing. It’s a message  that should be going to sinners. Why is it   coming to the Church? I think because  we’ve forgotten that we are in danger.  Let’s take the clearest warning that Jesus ever  gave. He said, “Don’t fear those who can kill   your body and afterwards do nothing else to you.  Rather fear him who can ruin your body and soul   in hell.” Who was he talking to? Sinners?  No. Pharisees? No. He was talking to the   twelve apostles when he was sending them out to be  missionaries. He didn’t tell them to tell others   about hell. He said, “Now you fear hell. As you  go out to proclaim the kingdom, to raise the dead,   cleanse the leper and cast out demons, heal  the sick, and proclaim the kingdom has come,   you fear hell.” I believe one of the missing  factors in much worship today is the fear of   God. Have you noticed that? There’s an awful lot  of familiarity with God, not so much fear of God.   I believe one of the reasons is that believers  no longer fear hell because the two are tied very   closely together. Fear him who can destroy body  and soul in hell. Now that’s a sobering message,   but I believe it’s a much needed one. Every writer of the New Testament has   a warning about the danger of losing what you’ve  found in Christ. I take those warnings desperately   seriously. When Jesus said, “Abide in me. I am  the true vine; you are the branches.” He said,   “Branches that do not abide in me, that do not  stay in me, are cut out and are burned.” I take   that quite literally. Paul said, “You too will be  cut off like the Jews, you too will be cut off,   if you do not continue in God’s kindness.” This  is not salvation by works; it’s salvation by   continued faith because forgiveness comes by faith  and holiness comes by faith, but they both need to   be appropriated. And God is offering everything  we need to be ready for heaven. But there are   too many who have accepted the invitation to the  feast who are not changing their clothes. That’s   the message I bring to you from Matthew’s gospel. Well, now for some good news. No reason whatever   why any, any of us should finish  up in hell. Do you know why? First,   we have the affection of the Father on our side.  God loves us. He doesn’t want anyone to finish up   useless rubbish in his universe. He has done  everything he possibly could to save us from   that. What more could he have done? And he never  prepared hell for us. He prepared hell for those   angels not us. God has no pleasure in throwing  anybody away. He has pain when he has to do it.   A picture of a revengeful God getting his own back  on sinners by throwing them into the lake of fire,   that’s a libel on God. He has no pleasure  in the death of the wicked, none at all. It   must cause him immense grief that anyone made  in his image should have to be thrown away.  We have the atonement of Jesus with us too.  Do you know that Jesus descended into hell,   not after he died but before? He descended into  hell for three hours, from noon until three o’   clock. On that cross Jesus was in hell. How do I  know? Well, very simply. There was total darkness,   no natural light at all—couldn’t see a thing. It  was then that he cried out, “I thirst. I thirst.”   And above all, it was then that he cried out,  “Elohim, Elohim, lama sabachthani. My God,   my God. Why have you forsaken me?” That’s hell.  Jesus went through hell so that you need never   go there. He did that to save you from it. And the third thing that is on your side is   the assistance of the Holy Spirit. You say, “Well  I can never be holy. I can never be good enough   for heaven.” Yes you can - because God gave  you supernatural power. If there’s one thing   a Christian ought never to say is, “I can’t  help it.” There’s a little word in Titus that   says this - “He has given us the grace to say no,”  very simple verse. Look God loves you; Jesus died   for you; the Spirit is available to you. You can  not only be forgiven, you can be made ready for   heaven. It was Charles Wesley who wrote a famous  hymn that has one verse in it, “A charge to keep   I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to  save, and fit it for the sky.” That last line   is just as important as the other three. You see  we’re called not to get people to make decisions;   we’re called to make disciples and to teach them  how to live the way that Jesus taught. It’s a long   job. It can’t be done in five minutes at the  end of a meeting. It’s a lifetime’s job. But   that is what Jesus is saying in Matthew’s gospel.  You look up all his teaching on hell and you’ll   find that almost every bit of it was not given  to sinners but given to those who had left all   and followed him, and who were committed to him. Now I hope that sobers you up. I know it’s raised   a lot of questions; I can see it in your faces. Go  and search the scriptures. Don’t accept anything   I say unless you can find it there. But look  up every warning he gave and ask, ‘Who was he   talking to at the time? Who was he warning?’ But  then, also don’t let yourself get into that panic,   or that depression, that wakes up every morning  and says, ‘Am I saved or am I not?’ You can have   an assurance that you’re on the way to heaven.  But that assurance does not come from a decision   you made twenty years ago, it comes from a  personal relationship you have now. It says,   “The Spirit himself goes on witnessing with your  spirit.” You can be sure when you wake up in the   morning that you’re on the way. If you’re walking  with the Lord and in the Spirit, you will have   an assurance in your heart you’re heading for  heaven. It’s not a guarantee that you’ll arrive,   it’s an assurance you’re on the way. One of the first things that happens to   you when you sin is that you lose your assurance,  right? When you get out the way, when you get out   of relationship. Stay in that relationship  and you can walk in that daily assurance,   ‘I’m on my way.’ You see salvation in Scripture  is a way. It’s not an instantaneous thing. Anybody   who repents has put a foot on the way and is  walking on the way, and we’re on the way to   glory. The Spirit wants to give us that assurance  of God’s love, that he wants us to make it,   that he’s on our side. There’s nothing else  that can separate you from his love—nothing,   only you. But if you continue in his love, as Paul  says, you will not be cut off. The fact that two   and a half million left Egypt and only two arrived  in Canaan is used by three different writers of   the New Testament as a warning for believers.  He doesn’t want to save us from only; he wants   to save us to. He wants to get us to heaven and  he wants to get us ready for heaven so that when   we arrive, it’s the saints who go marching in. Well, that’s probably the most serious thing   and I think probably a surprise to many of you.  You didn’t expect to hear that. You thought I   was going to tell you that all those sinners out  there are heading to hell and in great danger.   They are - and it’s a motivation to us to go and  rescue them while we can. But having said that,   keep the fear of it in your own heart lest, having  preached to them, you be cast away yourself.  So hell is a serious topic and it has a profound  effect on Christians. It affects our worship. I   believe it will affect our worship in two ways.  First, it will bring us to a profounder gratitude   to God for what he’s done for us. When you take  bread and wine at communion you’ll be so thankful.   You’ll want to say, “Thank you, thank you, thank  you.” In Greek you would say, “Eucharisteo,   Eucharisteo, Eucharisteo.” That’s what “eucharist”  means; it means—it’s a thank you that he would go   through hell so that I need not go there. It will  produce a gratitude but it will also produce a   reverence, and a fear of God will be restored to  the Church. That will not just show in worship,   it’ll show in holiness too. Because when you’re  not afraid that sin will cause you to lose what   you’ve got, you won’t take it so seriously. It would be totally unfair of God to send an   unbeliever to hell for adultery but shut  his eyes when a believer persists in it,   wouldn’t it? Yet many are saying, ‘I’m all right.’  They’re saying, ‘Well she may be a prostitute,   she may be on drugs, but praise the Lord  when she was nine years old she made the   great decision.’ That kind of talk is crazy talk.  The New Testament says, “Follow after holiness   without which no man will see the Lord.” It will have an affect on our evangelism.   We’re not just trying to bring people a little  happiness; we’re not just trying to give them a   solution to their daily problems. We’re rescuing  them from hell. That’s what evangelism is:   from a useless, godless eternity. That’s what  we’re after. We’re not just trying to do them   a good turn, or add a little nice dimension to  their life. ‘You should come to church. We’re   very warm there, it’s very friendly, you’d enjoy  it.’ That’s not what we’re after. We’re not after   getting people into a religious club. We’re  snatching people form the fire. That’s always   been a major motivation in missionary  work. It’ll affect us in so many ways.  And finally, those who fear hell find it much  easier to face martyrdom. When Jesus said,   “Don’t fear those who can kill your body, rather  fear him who can destroy body and soul in hell,”   he was saying the cure for fear of man is fear  of God. The cure for little fears is the big   fear. That’s true. You lose your little fears  when you’ve got a big fear. And the big fear   is the fear of finishing up there. When you’re  more afraid of that than anything, you can face   anything or anyone. Those who fear God fear no  one and nothing else. I think of one of the early   martyrs, Polycarp was his name, of Smyrna. They  threatened to burn him alive on a red-hot sheet   of iron. Polycarp said, ‘You threaten me with  the fire that kills the body; I fear the fire   that destroys me forever.’ He went to his death. It puts courage into Christians. If you fear God,   it cures your other fears. You don’t need  therapy for all the other ones then. You   can fear the Lord. There’s as much about  the fear of God in the New Testament as in   the Old. It’s part of Christian living. For  our God is a consuming fire. Therefore let   us approach him with reverence and awe as we  worship him. Well, that’s enough about hell;   I want to get you to heaven. So in the next  talk we’re going to go for glory. Amen.
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