The Existential Horror of Tati Westbrook | Big Joel
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Channel: Big Joel
Views: 716,145
Rating: undefined out of 5
Keywords: James charles, tati, tati westbrook, big joel, vitamin scandal, makeup, video essay, existential horror
Id: frybV8r3lxA
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Length: 20min 35sec (1235 seconds)
Published: Sat Jul 18 2020
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Big Joel completely dismantled an argument and video I used to think was good. Once again he totally changed my perspective on an issue.
Also if you're reading this please unblock me on Twitter Joel.
great video! i didn't care about the creators before, but I really hated how tati(a straight woman) made weird homophobic arguments against james charles "tricking straight men into thinking they're gay" and being a sexual predator and everyone just went with it. i think it just goes to show a lot of straight people who have gay friends and even support gay rights can have unchecked homophobia
edit: grammar
I stay away from internet makeup drama.
I like some of Big Joel's other analyses but this one missed for me. He seems to conflate Tati's claims in her original video with the main message that was taken away by the audience (that James is a "sexual predator," despite Tati never having used those words) and doesn't acknowledge that Tati uploaded another video after her first one last year telling people discouraging the hatred James was receiving and disparaging the increase in subscribers she knew she didn't deserve. She isn't blameless in this scenario at all and I think there was an underlying "no gay" stigma that surrounded her cruelest claims about James (when I first watched the video, I immediately was like... her interpretation of that doesn't seem right). I prefer Contra's take on the scandal because she acknowledges the mob mentality response to the video as separate from Tati's original intention while conceding that the two are inextricably related.
Gotta go to the link for me. Didn't wanna play here on the Reddit page. Just thought I'd mention this.
This is a total miss for me and I don't like it.
There is something about a dude focusing solely on the one woman involved in this drama that hits a not good spot for me. Along with that feels like he's making what happened fit his narrative that BJ already decided.
It's hard cause I've been long time into the beauty scene, makeup is one of my main hobbies, and you know I've watched so many other better videos on the situation. In terms of breadtube or breadtube adjunct, Kat Blaque and Ti/Nappyheadedjojoba have better takes. Commentary channels from As Told by Kenya and D'Angelo Wallace alao have great analysis of the situation, Amandabb too. Smokey Glow has beautifully covered the situation. And you know, Contrapoints Canceling video had a better grasp on the situation.
And from twitter, the breadtube side seems to want to focus on not acknowledging the issues with J* and Shane in this due to them being gay/bi and more evidence of Tati's homophobia but while ignoring the homophobia and transphobia presented by those 2. And my other issue is feeling like completely glossed over the racism that has also been a huge fucking issue.
Like honestly, probably the most shallow of the takes of Dramageddon 2.
Does anyone know what songs Big Joel uses in this video near the beginning?
inshallah i'll never watch this video or know who these people are