The CORRECT way to gain FREE FPS with any AMD GPU

I'm gonna stick my foot in the fire again because if life has ever taught me one thing is if you burn one foot you should burn the other one that way they feel the same the new xg321 ug mini LED 32 inch 4K panel from ViewSonic blurs the lines between gaming and professional monitors Gamers will enjoy a super smooth gameplay due to its 144hz refresh rate and integrated Nvidia g-sync ultimate and reflex technology Vasa display HDR 1400 and super black levels due to the 1152 mini LED backlighting zones while industry professionals can edit content with peace of mind due to 10-bit processing 98 DCI P3 color gamut and 99 Adobe RGB to see why the xg321 ug is the perfect Dual Purpose monitor follow the link in the description below uh so the last video I never intended for it to turn into a like AMD overclocking sucks but it basically turned into like here's a weird thing that's happening that I need some explanation on and I reached out to you guys for some help on that some of you gave some very good suggestions and the others what do you expect so anyway um to sort of recap you don't necessarily have to watch a whole video if you don't want to but there are some like reoccurring comments on there that I want to address today A1 for both being kind of thorough and then two kind of showing why some of those comments were just proof nobody watched the video all the way through which is unfortunate but you know you can only do so much in terms of attention span but anyway what I showed with the reference card is that as I increased the core clock remember there are two core clocks now there's a front end clock and a game clock and you're just shown GPU clock on the app so you don't really know which clock is doing what but what I showed is as you increase that core clock and you hit the power limit the memory clock drops so it's it's kind of interesting in the way that that works out and what we believe is happening here and a lot of people were like ah it's just megahertz stretching it's like okay fine that's there's a new Buzz term people like to just throw out there because they heard someone else say it somewhere but basically what we believe is happening here is in terms of stability it starts to drop the memory clock to reduce that voltage to to apply it to the GPU that way it doesn't crash a neat feature I wish I had a name or something like we've gone all through the materials and we can't find anywhere where they talk about this feature but if it's a feature it's a neat feature that keeps you from crashing it's just you don't really unders you don't know what's happening which tanks your FPS which leads a person to believe that hey something is wrong in fact even in the comments of that video a lot of people were like I was wondering why I overclocked my 7000 series graphics card in my FPS tanked so obviously I am not the only idiot out there apparently those people are idiots too so hey we'll just start the idiots Club but what I have in here right now is the Red Devil card because what we also showed is that this card does not reduce the memory clock but it does reduce the performance just the same so I want to show you guys just sort of some responses to that the most common risk thing I mentioned in there was or I saw people mentioned in there in the comments was I showed here how you can go to GPU tuning then you can click Advanced control and you can see the frequency I had the minimum frequency up forcing it to go higher in the clocks and a lot of people were like don't do that it'll go there anyway no it won't it will not go to where the max core clock is setting unless you bring the minimum up and don't let it come down which is kind of problem number one in terms of having it tank performance because we think it's changing something else somewhere that you can't see the other one was like but Jay did you even click the VM tuning button okay this is what I was saying remember the frequency was dropping down to like 900 megahertz vram tuning and this is my fault I should have shown this because we had already spent a lot of time with this with the camera off and realized the memory tuning doesn't help in any way because what you're given here is a memory timing button I feel like Fast timing if it's stable should always be the like it should be on my default Advanced control again just changes it from percent to frequency and then that's it that's it right so that's Max frequency you can't change the minimum so the dropping wouldn't have been fixed by this because it's technically this by default unless we were overclocking the memory and pushing that slider up it's not going to do anything but one of the things I did test was pushing that slider up when the clocks were down it doesn't help anything because you're pushing the maximum out you're not lifting the minimum so it doesn't stop it from dropping so I just wanted to respond to that comment right there my fault for not showing that otherwise the video was going to be an hour long what a lot of people said is Jay what the hell why aren't you undervolting undervolting is a thing with graphics cards these days and you know what I know that I just didn't do that I even have videos about undervolting just not something I thought about here because of the fact that by default I'm like oh it's going to 1150 millivolt it should be using that if it needs it you know what undervolting is very beneficial for AMD graphics cards in fact I will go ahead and demonstrate that right now so I'm just going to leave this on default settings so fan speed the whole deal and I really wish I could leave I guess technically I can go default just leave just go custom and change the fan curve um whatever I did have a complaint as I said these tuning buttons right here and manual tuning of the fans should be inner or they should be unlinked you should let me control the fans and that button separately a lot of people were like it should be linked that way somebody doesn't accidentally have their fan curve too low but all of the safeguards would protect the card anyway I just would like to have that fan control separate anyway we're gonna do a Port Royal run and we'll just come back with the Baseline score think of this as like a Dyno run this is the run before you make any changes so you can see what the changes did all right so our Baseline yeah 15 6 36 um I think it was like a 15 500 or somewhere around there uh with our initial testing so right within that expectation so if I look at uh GPU Z now this is I didn't have this up in the other test this gives us access to a one other sensor that we don't see in the software and that is the memory controller load and you can see right here this number as we scroll across it it hovers anywhere between like 29 and 32 depending on so I never see that memory controller load go higher than that 28 so if we come in now and we go to well let's you know let's just do auto undervolt Now Auto under volt should go to about 1125 millivolts 1150 is Factory so it's only a 25 millivolt under volt the undervolting should allow more frequency at the same power because we're not losing power to voltage alone our power limit to voltage and low so we're going to go from a 15 636 to a 15741 nonetheless a little bit of an uplift if I ran it again it could score 15 6 again it could run a 15 8. it just would be all over the place so the auto GPU undervolt doesn't do a whole lot for it so if we look at temperatures here the GPU temp or the edge temp was at 60 and again it was at 60. the hot spot temp now your hotspot temp that's the one that's really going to be controlling how your GPU responds not the main GPU tip so Junction temp hotspot temp whichever program you're looking at we'll call it either the hot spotter Junction that if we get that down that's where we're going to boost up higher for longer so it was 78.79 to a 77 78 79 80. so it was yeah no change there 25 millivolt didn't change anything there our clock speed 24 83 63 75 yeah so if we compare our clock speeds we're up about 50 60 megahertz on average so that score increase is legitimate it's not like a margin of error and 25 millivolts leading to almost 100 megahertz increase not bad so I think we can do better on our own but first let's just see if Auto overclock GPU is more beneficial than Auto undervolt and then we'll come in here and manually under volt just to show the performance gains that way you guys have some tangible information in this video rather than people saying you know J sucks and that's perfectly fine and then we'll show you the weirdness and see if you can help us figure out what's happening there so the auto overclock just puts a target of 31.76 I can't see what our power limits and stuff I wish it would show the whole story show me all those sliders and show me where they're going it's probably still 1150 millivolt and the power slider is still going to be at 100 which is 375 watts so that 375 is going to truly be our limiting factor here before voltage being an issue so let's see here 15 741 on auto undervolt and with auto overclock to a 15953 which is about 200 points higher than the auto uh under volt and about 400 to yeah about 400 points higher than default so I do like how you can just click one button and off it goes all right there's one other button we have to test actually two other buttons here I'm going to do overclock Ram uh I wouldn't be surprised if overclocking the memory gave us a bigger Improvement than overclocking the GPU but let's go ahead and check uh GPU Z by the way if you're not using GPZ for any of your tuning you're certainly missing out because it has basically an infinite side scroll so you can just look this system up a while okay so anyway you can just keep you can see the entire history as long as the program's been running so these are the three runs right here so far so our GPU clock there was a 2400 there again 2480 and then here 25.50 so there you go that's where the improvement's coming from now obviously with the auto overclock it was trying to go to over 3 100 megahertz because that's the target but as you can see at 25 30 we clearly didn't get anywhere near that Target just because it doesn't show us like perf reason for voltage or for for limitations that's one of the things that you do get on Nvidia cards and for whatever reason it's not showing on this card and I do believe it showed on other AMD cards the perf limit power voltage and temperature in the different colors but that doesn't show on this card which would be very nice to know anyway um so yeah one button click now we're gonna go from a 15953 with the overclock GPU to overclocking RAM to a 15771 so we lost about 200 points ah memory clock see that's the 2485 all the way across and you can see right there that little Boop 2634 the entire time but the GPU clock dropped back down to the low 2400s high 2300 so there's a balance that has to take place here you really do have to try and get as much GPU clock as you can without diminishing returns which I'm going to show you in a moment here and then as much RAM clock as possible obviously while being stable while also under volting as far as you possibly can to keep it all stable that way your power limits are better yeah all those things so last button I want to choose right here rage rage is the one that should also increase the board power limit I don't believe they're increasing power limits over here on on the automatic tuning the tuning preset of Rage should be doing that back up to a 15953 so very similar to the overclock GPU the thing is if it's like pushing up the power limits but it's not reducing the voltage then the frequencies probably went around the same so let's see right here our frequency there though is again the mid 2500s I think you hit 2600 right at the end of the test because the load was gone so yeah there you go that's how those buttons work now if we go over here into custom well I've already showed this a million times this is where we can get GPU tuning and all that already talked about the vram tuning the fast timing stuff I don't know what's actually changing but I've done back-to-back testing already with it and I saw no tangible difference at least in Ray tracing title on that so I'm just going to leave it on default Advanced control Max frequency is set to 24.98 or 2500 so again you can see why this has no bearing on the problem that I showed in the other video and I'm going to show again and I really am reaching out to you guys for some information of what you think could be happening here so let's do this I'm going to push my Max frequency up to like 3300 it's not going to go there and then power tuning we'll leave that stock right now run it in a window and loop it that way we can make changes and see what happens here okay FPS looks good we're in the high 60s low 70s at the start our clock speed as you can see right now 24 36 2460 that's Factory that's perfect our voltage is at 845. great now check this out I'm Gonna Leave the power limit at zero which is 375. but if I undervolt this guy down to like 1100 I take a 50 millivolts off we should see a clock jump right here 25.59 25 10. so as you can see right there already a benefit to that now my card in Port Royal loses stability at about 10.75 to 10.50 depending but look at that 26.91 to 2600 by going down to 10.75. now this is the part where a lot of you guys in the previous video were like Jay you're an idiot you know undervolting isn't a is a thing that you should be doing and you're right I just it slipped my mind by default it maxes out the slider that's probably a Max stability thing the way you gain Max stability is just throw as much safe power at it as you can and then let all the other tuning factors take automatic precedence of like power limit and temperature Junction limit and all that sort of stuff so that it will automatically keep it in the safe Zone the problem is you're giving a performance to do that now what's funny here is I've seen a lot of people say they would gladly under Vault their GPU a little bit to get 90 90 to 95 percent of the performance at lower temperatures and all that sort of stuff I would counter that and say you could also get 90 of the performance by just buying a 7900 XT and not an XTX and save the 100 bucks considering you just removed it from your card so I don't think it's a trade-off to say I'll take lesser performance for something I paid for I'm the kind of person that wants to buy something and get all the extra performance out of it so all those that are like overclocking stupid why would you overclock that's so unnecessary I've been doing it literally for over 20 years and that's never going to change you don't want to overclock don't it's funny how opinions work you can still have your own while other people have theirs so let's practice that anyway moving on our Junction temperature is that 60. GP temperatures 49. so these temperatures are great which is going to allow us to have more control now check this out if I just move this up to like I don't know five more percent on power limit 384 Watts now look at our clock check it out it's going to jump up to 26.22 26 26 I want to get it to like 400 watts that should get us a really good 2654 and let's just max it out then 27.46 27.92 7.74 so this would write as of right now this would be our highest scoring run in fact let's go ahead and do that I mean we had a 15 900 and some change to a 16 454. so as you can see right now I pushed the max frequency up to 3300 but it didn't really go that far I mean we're sitting here in the high 27s low 28s that's a pretty big jump for only a little bit of frequency but realistically it's because of the fact that we were able to keep those clocks higher with the higher power limit memory controller load here it is again in the high 20s low 30s that's going to be important here in a second and yeah so we're looking real good there I wish there was a power limit curve because you could see the I mean I'm pretty positive we're power limited here I'm going to see if we can get it to run at 10.50 right now no 1060. because I know I crashed a little bit at 10.50 so 1060. so let's see if we can get that 16 454 up so we gained 100 points a 16 542 Now by just dropping that that voltage a little bit damn I wish it would show total board power on here so I could see were we at 430 Watts the entire time I bet we were I'm gonna go ahead and try 1050 then because we gained we gained 100 points by going from 1075 to 1060. it's only 15 millivolts it's actually pretty impressive so a 16587 nothing really changed there we kind of had a little bit of a non-result the scores at this point now we're going to be small and incremental increases but you saw over 1100 points by just moving some of the sliders around which is which is great and it does translate to additional performance in games like tangible performance and games a few FPS three four maybe five depending check this out now we are at 2826 so you can see we have not gained any clock so now if I go ahead and I push up the ram can I go 2700 on the ram probably not because of the voltage yeah see it just crashed which is expected if I had allowed More Voltage it probably would have done it but that's a driver reset which you're noticing right now I do like how good the drivers are recovering now AMD drivers that would crash like this used to just be a complete death sentence although I think this one might have hard crushed because the cursor is dead so that went hard crash definitely not enough never mind full recovery and I have all my results still now a lot of people say AMD drivers suck but they certainly have gotten better so let's bring this back down to like 1165 right there lift that back up to like 3500 hit apply there we go so let's see now if I can show you guys again the weird thing that happens here where I have a massive decrease in performance while all the utility is at 100 the clock speeds are up the memory clock is up everything shows everything visible shows that it's running normal and this is one of the things I don't like about sensors not being reported because he doesn't tell the whole story as to what's Happening Here I need to recreate the situation which was Max 1150 millivolts as you can see yes we lost clock speed if I bring this up to like 3 300 we're good if I bring the minimum up to like 28 yes and this is the part you guys are like don't do that but you know it's a slider there and people were going to slide it so we're trying to figure out cause and effect if I hit apply right now we should see this come up a little bit nothing crazy our FPS still looks normal if I bring this up to like 3 000 there it's happened it's showing 3000 megahertz Believe it or FPS it is down into the 40s now this part of the test is normally around 70 80. it's very consistent so we've lost a ton of FPS now as far as we can tell frequency is up where it should be clock speed is at 3000 megahertz voltage is high right total board power 430 watts and utility on here if we look at GPU load it's maxed out it's in the high 90s where it should be Memory clock is high this is where on this card we saw the memory clock drop remember that so the difference Behavior here with the Red Devil is that we're seeing the same type of behavior as this card only it's not showing a dropped memory clock now doesn't mean that maybe isn't reporting that there's a drop that's what I think might be happening here because this is where you guys talked about like clock stretching and such basically I called it Robin hooding where it's taking frequency from one thing and adding it to something else but that trade-off is just it's like the scale right remember the memory controller thing I talked about see down here in the regular test it's in the 30s here it's in the 30s can you tell where I overclocked it because look there's the 30s and then it drops 19 17 20 17 15 16 15. so the memory controller load has dropped all I can think is that the memory clock for all intents and purposes is dropping but it's not reporting it see here there's a memory clock and it shows the 2485 the entire way now this is where you guys were like yeah you didn't open the memory tuning tab look what am I supposed to do up this will that change it in any way look at that it's reporting 2519 our FPS still completely tanked down here in the 30s so this is just where I wanted there to be kind of a PSA and then people maybe to reach out to me and say hey here's what's happening there's got to be another clock remember we have chip lists it could be very similar to uh the Early Edition risens where if your memory speed was slowed was too slow then the fabric clock between the two uh you know there's a whole interconnect happening there so you needed the faster Ram to be able to run the fabric clock faster and it increased performance all I can think here is there's something happening with the interconnect speeds that we don't have visibility on that would explain what's happening here because we have plenty of power limit the core is loaded everything is good now check this out if I bring the minimum back down to 500 and I drop this down to like here um check this out there nope it didn't do it yet because it kind of gets stuck it's in this weird phase here where it will get sort of stuck so let me do this default let me do an overclock GPU to sort of refresh the dang thing there we go those are FPS back and then the memory controller load if we look back up into the 30s it's funny how 30 down to 20 is such a huge hit in performance but if I were to run this Benchmark with where we had it it would have been down at like 10 000 versus the 16 000 that you guys are seeing this is the part where I need some I need you all to tell me like what do you think is happening here I I don't know we've already showed you the best overclocking method here if you're not going to just do auto overclock or rage is literally going to be come to custom you can leave that where it's at the 3045 is perfectly fine take your power limit if you want you can Max it out that way the clocks can stay higher some people would say leave that I have a differing opinion on that drop this down to like 1062 or 1060. and then just hit apply right clocks came up to 2700 FPS comes up and then we could even push the clock speeds here if we wanted so this is what I intended to show you guys in the other video I just got completely derailed and sidetracked by the fact that as we push clocks up we saw performance go down it's not the first time we've seen it and I really do think this is just a case of visibility on other clock things remember multiple clocks happening on this card now that we can't see there's a Shader clock right there's the front end clock there's the game clock there's the fabric clock whatever they call the interconnect now between the chiplets there's the memory controller there's all these things now at play with this new design that we just don't have visibility on but I already showed you you can absolutely gain a ton more FPS and reduce the temperatures and the power draw and all that stuff by simply undervolting a little bit and moving out the power limit slider and calling it a day like literally that's all you have to do to be honest find the safe undervolt push the power limit out play with the fan curve how you want it hit apply and you will see more performance all right guys thanks for watching you guys called me out it's fine it led to a you know a video where you guys actually have some information but I'm still lost on what's Happening because that's a huge FPS hit that on paper or pixels shouldn't be happening the memory controller load drop is what is a is the is the Smoking Gun as to what's happening and I'm wondering if that's because the memory clock is truly dropping or something between the memory and the GPU is happening that we just don't have visibility on all right guys thanks for watching and as always we'll see in the next one see back over 100 FPS right there

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Length: 23min 21sec (1401 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 19 2022