The BEST Budget Setup? MOZA R9 V2 and SR-P REVIEW

the last time I bought a new set of wheel and pedals it cost me ten thousand dollars to race affordably you had to buy a belt driven wheel with a spongy set of pedals direct drive wheels and load cell pedals were basically only sold by Boutique hobby shops at exorbitant prices but the Sim racing industry has absolutely exploded since then and now we have an abundance of choice at a fraction of the cost but it begs the question is a rig like this from moza which costs less than 10 percent the value of my rig actually less than 10 of the functionality well to find out we're going to be reviewing these products from the moza lineup Boza actually sent these products for B Sim build but all they asked for in return was that I gave my genuine opinion on these products so that's what we're going to be doing in this video and if at the end of this you feel like buying some moza stuff make sure to use the affiliate link down in the description so we actually have quite a few products to take a look at today we've got like four different steering wheel options we've got a pedal set with an accessory kit and of course we have the wheelbase itself so let's go ahead and go into detail with each of these but let's start with the pedals foreign the number one mistake I see from new sim Racers is that they don't prioritize their braking but it can be really hard to learn how to break properly if the pedal itself isn't quality so this is actually one of the mid-range pedal sets from moza this is the SRP with the clutch mod and they've also sent out the accessory kit which allows you to increase the stiffness of the brake pedal as well now as a formula driver I like the pedal to be as stiff as possible I daily like the pedal to basically not move at all and we don't really quite get there with this set but it is a lot stiffer than I was expecting for my personal taste I would say it's just not quite stiff enough for F1 but it's also maybe a little bit too stiff when you're trying to heel toe into your T cars it's something I'm getting used to but it definitely is something worth noting at least you can change out to other Springs depending on what car you're driving but a huge positive of these pedals is that they're actually load cell up to 75 kilos it wasn't long ago that pedals in this sort of price range would only be angle based not pressure based and that makes a huge difference towards the accuracy of of your braking there can however be sometimes a drawback with load cell pedals where if the pressure is low this sensor can actually lose quite a bit of resolution so that means if you're at the end of a breaking phase you actually might not be able to be as precise as you want to but this SRP set actually has a solution to that this brake pedal in particular has a hybrid system where it uses the load cell at the higher pressures but then just at the end of the braking phase it switches to an angle base sensor for increased Precision I'll be honest I didn't even know that was a thing for the first few days I was driving on these pedals but that's a good thing because it means I was just naturally able to break as I normally would and I didn't actually have to adapt my real lifestyle in order to be quick usually when I hop onto a simulator it doesn't have hydraulic brakes like I'm used to it takes me quite a bit of time to actually adapt to it again but that definitely wasn't the case with these the throttle pedal is pretty decent but there's not a lot to say I mean throttle pedals are generally quite similar across different pedal sets but the clutch pedal is actually really nice as well it has a nice bite Point sort of feel halfway through and because you can tune this in the menus which we'll talk about a little bit later you can actually adjust the curve of the clutch so that it matches exactly where that bite point is because it doesn't quite match up straight out of the box so is 75 kilos a high enough ceiling for the load cell well in my opinion it is for 95 of cars now I'm used to actually just stomping on the brake I think my previous set of pedals like 250 kilos or something but obviously very different price category than these but that is obviously super Overkill and I don't think you'd ever achieve that in any sort of race car that being said though 75 kilos is probably a little bit under the threshold of what I'm used to in let's say a Formula Three car but for 99 of other cars you're going to drive in a simulator 75 kilos is actually way way above the ceiling that you would need and like I said before when I'm actually heel toeing it's really difficult for me to reach MAX Pressure because my right foot is not conditioned to braking that hard so I think for most people out there they're not going to be using the full potential of that load cell now the final point I'll make about the pedals before we move on is that the build quality is is surprisingly good especially for this price point now I actually own a set of fanatec V3 pedals on my rig in America and I would say build quality wise and sturdiness these are right up there with the fanatex and I think the Fanatics were quite a bit more expensive than these I think there are a few different features that the Fanatics have that these don't but just purely on a build quality point of view these are super super impressive I mean this comes in at the price point of the fantasek csls which are the lower end set but then feel like they have the quality of the v3s now I'd have to try them back to back to know 100 but that is my initial feeling okay so that's my thoughts on the pedals but let's move on to the wheel rims so the first thing we have to talk about here is the quick release system for moza this is just genius there's no other way to put it so whenever you're not actually using the wheel the quick release actually stays compressed and as soon as you pop it back onto the wheelbase it finds the Locking point and then it releases the clasp no wires no quick release trying to rip off your fingers it really is the ideal system and it seems like it's going to be one that that lasts a long time as well my current rig has the wired system which really gets in the way sometimes when I'm driving and then on my other rig back in the States I have a quick release system but then one of the pins actually fell out of the wheel when trying to put the quick release on quickly and well it actually caused the entire steering wheel to go dead on me I'll keep you updated if there's any issues with this moza system but in my opinion I think it's going to be pretty bulletproof and a cool software related feature here is as soon as you pop on the wheel the moza pit house software instantly recognizes what wheel you have and remembers all the settings that you left off with so the first wheel Rim we'll take a look at here is the gsv2 GT wheel and while the name is a bit of a mouthful it is a beautiful beautiful wheel we've got a full forged carbon face we've got really satisfying paddle shifters that are fairly quiet when you put in the rubber pads that come in the box and we also have two hand clutches as well there are also a ton of buttons on this wheel which are obviously all programmable in the moza pit house software and we can also add actually adjust the RGB setting for each of those buttons as well we've also got this great looking RPM indicator which is a bit of a signature of moza however while they are nice I would say that the overall brightness could be a little bit higher especially when I'm basically driving on the Sim in the daytime and also I'm not a big fan of this fade on the RPM gauge either I think it's way more easy to be precise with your shifts when you actually have single LEDs to go off of but that's definitely a personal preference but I do really like how customizable the lights are in the pit house software like let's say on the Fly you realize well I keep shifting a little bit too early you could just quickly with one button adjust the lights across the RPM range and make sure that you're actually shifting at the right point the final thing I'll mention about this GS wheel is that the grips are super nice now I have the perforated rubber version which are super super grippy you can also get this in Alcantara as well but I wouldn't really recommend it because honestly Alcantara just lasts like two months and then it just doesn't look nice anymore so definitely go for the rubber ones if you're gonna pick this up the one thing I think I'm missing from this wheel is a screen with at least a gear indicator I didn't realize how much I actually rely on a Gear indicator until I didn't have one here but they do have an FSR formula wheel which actually has a huge display on it if you wanted to spend a little bit more and get that as well but just something to consider so the other wheel I have here is the es steering wheel and we have a few different add-ons to this so the es is really cool because it's actually modular so you can buy either the formula mod in addition or you can get this 12-inch mod which is essentially just a larger circular steering wheel which we'll talk about in a second but it's great for drifting while the build quality is definitely not on the same level of the GS at this price point 130 bucks for just the the base wheel on its own I'd say it's pretty good value for money I mean it definitely has more of a video gamey type feeling than the Gs does but you still get an RPM indicator here you have paddle shifters you have more than enough buttons for most applications and I actually forgot to do it until recently but it also came with these metal paddle shift extenders as well for the 12 inch that way you don't have to reach as far which is a really nice touch that they included that in the Box the final point I'll touch upon in relation to this es steering wheel before we move on to the actual motor itself and that is if you wanted to upgrade in the future to let's say the R16 or the r21 this wheel the es is not compatible with those models alright so we've seen the accessories we've seen the pedals but let's talk about the actual wheelbase itself this is probably the most important and vital part of this rig so this is the moza R9 V2 which sits just above the R5 model which is their cheapest option when I first took it out of the box I was surprised on one hand I was impressed by the build quality it's just a solid metal construction as you'd expect but then on the other side it was so small and compact I was genuinely worried that it wasn't going to be strong enough for me to have any fun with at all but we'll get into why that wasn't the case in a second setting it up was pretty easy very Plug and Play just takes two cables a power and a USB to plug into to your computer and then it pretty much instantly boots up and syncs with the moza pit house software and on the customization point of view in the software there's a lot we can do here we can adjust force feedback curves and all sorts of settings that probably most people shouldn't touch but what I like is that there's quite a few different preset options as well so even for me at this point I've been just switching basically between F1 and drift mode because that's just what I've been really enjoying at the moment and I'll say that the presets that they already have in the software are really really good so far but if you want to get more custom than that you can easily just make your own preset and save it in the software okay so the feature sets are all well and good but how does it actually perform in game and does it feel realistic to real life or even to my high end rig so moza names their wheels based on their Peak torque figures so this one is the R9 so it has nine newton meters of peak torque now my current rig has 26 newton meters of P torque obviously I don't run it anywhere near that but I was really curious to see if 9 newton meters was even close to being usable from me and to my surprise it actually was it's certainly enough to get you sweaty if you're let's say driving heel toe and with a manual shifter and everything like I've definitely had some workout like feelings on this R9 but I will say though and especially a High downforce car which doesn't have power steering I do end up feeling like I can reach Max torque relatively easily sometimes now for something like drifting it's perfect because you want the steering weight to be a little bit lower and you want the wheel to be able to still whip around quite fast as you're doing Transitions and stuff and this wheel is fantastic at that but I do think it's a little bit limiting if you want to have that feeling of like muscling the car around I definitely can't see myself reducing the max torque setting below 9 newton meters like I think 9 newton meters is actually a pretty good sweet spot for just like enjoying driving but definitely from a training point of view or a realism point of view I wouldn't want it to go too much lower especially if I'm driving cars without power steering the whole point of having a motor with high Max torque is that you can have detail through a bigger range and this wheel actually has fantastic detail detail I don't even notice in my high end rig to be completely honest like for example in the shotoku Revival project I was driving around for this wheel for the first time and when I started driving over there's these these little bumps in the highway which I think are just like seams in the concrete and I didn't even notice them before on my Pro rig but it's not just there either I noticed that there's actually quite a bit of fidelity when you're driving over curbs or small very fast Twitchy high compression bumps however when you're in a phase of the corner where the suspension isn't moving a whole lot let's say like on a very smooth surface track or your mid corner and you're not on a curb that's when these R9 starts to feel a little bit more numb than my uh well very very expensive rig and definitely if you have the wrong force feedback settings for the particular game you're driving in if you reach Max torque for more than let's say a split second then you're gonna end up just having this constant force feedback which uh well it's not giving you any detail at all and that's where the numbness comes from this also might be something worth adjusting and trying out in the force feedback curve settings in the pit house software but I haven't really gone super in depth with figuring out exactly what works for me overall though I've tested the R9 in several different types of cars across the cytocursor and iRacing which are the two main games that I play and I'd say the steering wheel is surprisingly realistic and it gives a lot more feedback than I was expecting especially when you consider the price point the motor itself is less than 500 and for it to be even remotely in the same territory as my current rig is just mind-blowing to me and because of that it's going to become my new primary rig because it's just one way more convenient easy to use and has more enough detail for me to have fun and be competitive as well now if you are in the market to buy a new wheel and you're considering one of the moza products I would not go for the R5 which is the 5 Newton meter version of this wheel just because I don't think it gives you enough Headroom to Future proof like you could be doing Forza and five newton meters is more than enough but then let's say in a couple years time you're like you know what I want to try out eye racing settle Corsa or some of the more simulator s games I don't think that gives you enough Headroom to move up you of course could go on the higher end of things too and go for the R16 or the r21 and then be relatively future proof but with that being said I haven't tried those out yet but would love to especially considering there's a lot more competition in that price category these days so who is this rig actually for honestly I think it's for 95 percent of you out there like take B for example she's just getting into SIM Ray saying she wants something that's quality and that allows her to choose which path down Sim racing she really wants to go it'll be able to pass any sort of genre of sim racing with flying colors so who is this not for or well I would say it's probably not for Esports drivers and the second group of people is probably real life formula drivers such as myself who are going to use the Sim as a training tool and not only say that because you probably just need a little bit more force feedback just so that we can actually get a serious workout and and a little bit more muscle memory out of that as well but honestly this will end up probably becoming my primary rig as I start to use it more from a Content creation point of view so I'll end this video on OneNote and this really applies to any Sim Racing Products not just the ones covered in this video this has been the case in Sim Racing for a long time but generally speaking the more money you spend the more realistic the hardware is going to feel to a real life race car but that doesn't mean that you're going to get increased performance in the actual game in fact I'd even say an essential course in particular for some reason I think I get more Fidelity out of this R9 than I do my prorig for example you have this enhanced understeer setting that you can turn on in a subtle Corsa now I don't really notice the enhanced understeer effect that much on my Pro rig but for whatever reason in the R9 as soon as I turned in the wheel and I break the slip angle all of a sudden it goes very light which can be maybe a little bit unrealistic to a certain degree but it makes it really obvious when you're at the limit of the slip angle and it's almost a cheat code which didn't exist on my expensive rig so depending on what your needs are that framework is going to give you the best idea of which products to purchase and of course if you're interested in buying these products make sure to use my affiliate link down below I would honestly say it gets my stamp of approval and you'll be seeing tons more of these components on the channel in the near future so with that being said thank you moza for sending these products out and I'll be seeing you guys on the next one

Channel: Cameron Das Racing

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Length: 15min 21sec (921 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 21 2023