The $299 Everything 10G Firewall NAS and Virtualization 1U

this short depth oneu server has four 10 gig ports 5 2 and 1/2 gig ethernet ports and it has an 8 core processor with built-in acceleration for crypto and compression and if that's not enough you can put four ssds in here while also having externally four hard drives attached we have so much to cover today so let's get to it hey guys this is Patrick from St and this is the oneu quotum denverton box which uses the Intel Atom c3000 series to provide what might be one of the best homb platforms that you can imagine and it's also an awesome little firewall a couple of months ago you may have seen that we reviewed the fanless version of this exact system and people absolutely loved it in fact we have a bunch of these now because they are super useful and if you're having a hard time visualizing these two together uh let me just kind of make this easier for you we're just going to turn this guy around and you're going to see that the ports pretty much line up pretty closely there now as a rack mount unit we get things like an internal power supply that was a much much better than we thought it was going to be and after running these one for a couple months and another one for a couple weeks now I will definitely tell you that these things are awesome and I think a lot of people this is exactly what they're looking for and frankly the reason for that is pretty simple the chips that are in here are not the fastest these are not the ones that you would use if you wanted to go and have a nice desktop experience frankly even in the Intel atom line the new EC cor processors like the n200 n305 like those types of processors offer a much better desktop experience than something like this but while they're not great at being desktops they are fabulous at being Network appliances virtualization host all that kind of stuff and unlike a lot of reviews that kind of only look at one configuration and just kind of talk about at a high level we've had so much experience with these that I think I have some really good insights into how you can make these things super cool in the future and before we get too far I just want to say thank you to all the St YouTube members who have gone down below and joined and are subscribing to the YouTube channel cuz that's what really allows us to go and buy these units and buy all the different things that we go use to go set these up and try them out and just kind of see what works without their support we wouldn't be able to do big projects like this so thank you to all those who have already subscribed and if you do have an opportunity to we'd appreciate it if you could as well with that let's get to the hardware okay so let's talk about what you're getting here and also just kind of some of the different options because not all of the units are exactly the same now first off this is a super short depth oneu chassis right this is definitely going to fit in almost any oneu rack and we do get rack ears we just don't have them installed right now cuz we're going to take off the top in a second now on the side of this you might see that we have a 12vt DC input you might have said hey wait Patrick you said that this has an internal power supply it does you can also use a 12volt power supply we'll show you this when we go do our power consumption section later on this video but we totally took the power adapter that came with the fanless unit hooked it up to here and it worked so you can do that next to that we have our serial console Port we have USB ports and then we get our 2 and2 gig ethernet port now the new new versions of this that we've gotten are all Intel i22 6V configurations there were some older ones that have i22 5vs and I don't really know what the breakdown is between which one's got i25s versus which one's got i22 sixs but just know that the at least the c3758 r version that we have here it is an Intel I 226v version now let's talk about the SFP plus ports these SFP plus ports use the Intel x553 driver and on this version they are all 10 GB per second because we have the high-end version here that starts Bare Bones just under $300 now that is with the c3758 r but if you get the nonr version so just the C7 3758 you pretty much get the exact same CPU the only real difference is a couple hundred MHz lower speed and so pretty much um you know if you want to save a couple bucks actually think that's a great option now the other thing you're going to notice on the front of this is that there are these two little holes these little holes are for the Wi-Fi antenna lead so if you do want to get a Wi-Fi card hook it up and get little antenna leads for the front of the you can totally go do that now there are a lot of folks that don't want to have their Wi-Fi in a box like this and so they're not going to use it like we have it here but at least it's an option and they're pre-drilled holes which is always nice looking at either side of the chassis you're going to just see some vent holes there's not really that much going on on the top you're just going to see metal and on the bottom you're going to see the first thing that's really new and that's that we have a fan on this one because unlike the desktop model this isn't a passively cooled like super big fin case and stuff like that you do need to have some cooling on the CPU and that's the this little fan it's not super loud but it's definitely noticeable if you are used to complete silence okay now moving to the back of the chassis you're going to see things like the power button also the VGA port and you're going to see things like a USB port that USB port depending on how high of a level of skew you have could be a USB 2 Port could be a USB 3 Port there's all kinds of different versions of this but just be aware that there is at least another USB port here there's also a SIM card slot so if you do want to do something like a 5G backup you have the antenna leads out of the front and if you get a modem you could put it in here and use this as backup now that's not something that we tested but I know others out there are going to be interested in trying that project now the other port on this is going to look frankly quite funky this is an sff 887 Port now normally on an external Port You' have an sff 888 Port which is the external version of 887 and when we did the original review a lot of folks were a little bit confused on what this is now let me just be clear there is no like broadcom or LSI SAS controller in here or micro semi chip like one none of that kind of stuff instead this is all based off of the PCH inside of the denverton S so which means that it's only SATA so if you take nothing away from this it is a port that you commonly see on SAS controllers but it's SATA only still in our first version we showed how you can take one of these for Bay enclosures and then you can use a cable that goes from sfff 887 to 8088 and then you can get up to four hard drives externally the Intel Atom c3000 series that you see in this would commonly be used in things like Nas thing so if you have like a true nass Appliance or something like that they would be using something like this very often so if in any way you're thinking that four hard drives would be too much for a platform like this just remember that these are being used in 8 bay or 8B plus Nas units all the time now once you get inside you're going to see a motherboard that is very similar to the one that we saw in our fanless unit in fact it's the same motherboard but then you're going to see things that are a little bit different like the first thing you're going to see here is that we have a spot for a 2 and 1/2 in drive and we also have a cable for that drive the other big one though is the fact that we have an internal power supply and that's really where I want to start because well you saw an power input on the outside of this chassis when we're doing the external overview when we look inside the system we see that we have an internal meanwell power supply and guys I can't tell you how excited I was to see this a lot of these very lowcost systems that we see coming out of China are just frankly using just absolutely garbage no-name brand internal psus but meanwhile is a pretty well-known brand and it's one that we have folks that will go and buy mini PCS that come with random ACDC adapter like external power bricks and they'll upgrade them to the meanwell power bricks just because they're known for being better now I know there's somebody that's going to freak out about the fact that it's only a 50 W power supply but frankly even when you're running this thing at 100% with everything loaded up there you're not going to get close to 50 Watts because this is so low power that it just doesn't need anything bigger I mean the fact that you have an internal power supply that's pretty good plus a external DC power input I mean that's awesome now we already talked about the 2 and 1/2 in Drive Bay but there is one thing that I want to just point out real quick that there's a mounting thing where you can actually like kind of put screws through the chassis and then mount a 2 and 1 half inch drive there and that's okay I guess now something that I really wish these guys did and it actually works cuz we pulled cables from other units is if you get a second cable like one of these data and uh Power static cables you can actually plug that in and get two SATA drives here if you're using something like Velcro so you see we have two units cuz one we did some pretty heavy experimentation on one we kind of kept more pristine and that's really why we just wanted to see like you know would it work and it does so you can actually get four drives in here now when I say four drives you're probably looking over to the motherboard and you're going to see that we have two m.2 2280 which is an 80 mm form factor and here you can put m.2 drives but you should be aware of the fact that these are only pcie gen 3x 2 now now under those two SSD spaces we get another m.2 slot and this is a be keyed slot and that's really for 3042 or 3052 I think modules right so a lot of times those tend to be things like 5G modules or something like that although you can probably find some other things that you might want to put in there now in terms of memory you can use up to 32 gig dims we've tested so you can get up to like 64 GB of memory which is always pretty useful this unit came with Samsung memory the unit below it we've used crucial memory in we've also seen things with Kingston memory so usually the memory is pretty open now you're going to want ddr4 so dims with these now we have had some challenges getting ECC dims to work on this even though the atom processors should support ECC memory on the other hand the non ECC memory dims work no problem so you can put 64 gigs and have plenty of memory in this now I just want to point out also that you can see that we have Intel Nick chips on here and you're going to see that we have an aspeed BMC this aspeed a2400 BMC is what we would have seen years ago as a baseboard management controller in servers so if you got like an old Intel xon server maybe even an old like opteron server back in the day you might have gotten one of these as 2400s now after 2400 we had 2500 and just nowadays we're starting to see the 2600 take over the total bummer about this is that they're not running like open BMC or something like that on this instead these are just being used for things like the serial console output as well as things like the VGA output so this does technically have a GPU so there are many Network boxes that are serial console only and so a lot of folks ask can you game on it and the answer to that is like absolutely not don't don't even try it is a pretty laggy experience it's good enough for like management but it's not something that I would consider a fast GPU by any means and then the other thing is that you're not going to be using this for things like video transcoding so if you do have a case where instead of doing more of a like Network and Nas and virtual machine focused Home Server or office server or something like that and instead you really want to get that transcoding experience personally I would get something with a like an Intel igpu in there for quicksync video so that way you get that transcoding performance but on the other hand for a lot of those applications you can offload those to Dedicated low power boxes and just kind of use this as a main box so there are different options that you have to take care of that but it's just something I would keep in mind is that this is the wrong platform for that okay now let's talk about the CPUs in this again for a sec so the Intel c33 38r is the dual core model it's the refresh which is what that R is model of denverton you can go look up our denverton day piece but that was really the first skew to launch personally I would kind of if I could spend that extra 30 bucks to get the c3558 r version because having that four course was a huge upgrade in performance at the same time let me just point out real quick that someone like a netgate sold their 4100 series for PF cents like their Appliance based on that C 3338 R we actually did a review of that that you can find and uh it's not necessarily a bad box but it's more of like maybe a 1 gig like network box right and the fact that you're losing all the 10 gig features on this I I just kind of feel like I would go up to the c 3558 r now something to remember is that these are the older generation eords and every time a new eord generation like comes out you basically get anywhere between like 70% more performance to like 2x the performance of the previous gen so the fact is that there's already the atam C 5000 series and P 5000 series that we've reviewed recently on St and over the last couple years and even those are probably a little bit behind what you would see in something like an n305 and what we will see in the Intel Xeon 6 Sierra Forest the new ecores that are in Sierra fars are designed to be like very much competitors to something like a Skylake or Cascade Lake these are not necessarily super slow and for networking applications they're actually really good that's why when you look at the networking and pfSense side you'll see that something like the netgate 8200 would be based on the exact same processor that's in here that netgate 8200 by the way is something that not only can do about over 18 gigabits per second of routing performance but also 18 plus gigabits of firewall performance and ipvpn can go well over 3 gbits per second the reason for that is that this has built in quick assist or qat technology qat technology has been around for a long time now it's gone through a number of different iterations we have plenty of stuff like that if you want to search the St main site for it but one of the big things is that not only do things like OPN sense support it pfSense plus supports qat also and now you have things like Ubuntu which has built-in support for qat when doing things like uh you know using SSL or something like that so not only is this about the CPU performance but you have to also remember that there is a very useful for network and storage applications accelerator built into this one as well but of course performance is only part of it we also should be looking at the power consumption so let's get over to the other set to go look at that okay so let's talk about the power consumption and noise of this unit now I have this thing and it has been running for over 10 minutes at 100% now when you do that it definitely has that fan noise and I can 100% hear it you're probably picking it up on this mic as well and frankly that is one of the big differences between this unit and the fanless unit this has a fan and so I can hear it in fact it's getting up into that 414 to DBA range right now because it's been running for a little bit of time now at the same time I do want to point out a couple things like first off uh the cores have actually been running at 2.4 GHz just kind of straight right like we haven't seen any variations in these like little purple lines right here and that is super important for networking applications where you don't want to have frequency jumps just because if you have a frequency jump that means that the core like kind of stalls for a second while that power transition happens and that ends up uh kind of giving you more Jitter in your packet right so this is something for a firewall you definitely want to see something like that and at this 100% our package power consumption is about 16 Watts give or take and that 16 Watts translates into about 30 Watts at the wall now all of these numbers are using the internal meanwell power supply however we also did an experiment where we took the external power brick from the fanless unit and we put it into the external power like DC input that's on the front of the system and it worked the external power brck gave us maybe about a water or so less power consumption but they were relatively similar so I wouldn't necessarily say like oh there's a huge benefit to using the external power supply also using the external power supply really didn't change the fan noise so I wouldn't say that it's a reason to go get an external power supply I would still use that internal meanwell power supply now of course as a little bit of context here the oneu rackm mount version of this does use somewhere in that one to four Watts higher power consumption than the fanless unit now I know there are folks that are going to say hey this is using the same motherboard you've already told us this so why does this one use more power and the answer you can probably hear on this mic is the fact that there's a fan in this one and that's using extra power but of course these things are extremely similar so let's get to our key Lessons Learned okay now with key Lessons Learned uh there's some really cool stuff you can do with this so some things that we've done just for fun is that we have put a terabyte drives in here I'm a little nervous about 8 terab drives because uh the two m.2 drives are 8 tabes they generate a lot of heat and there's not a ton of cooling on the top of this so you can get 64 gigs plus 16 terabyt of nvme storage and then another say four or 8 terabytes of asada storage or something like that over here now one of the coolest things you can do with this by far is using that sfff 887 Port now if you use a sfff 88887 to sfff 888 cable we'll link that down below that gives you access to sff 888 storage enclosures now something about that you probably want to look for for a SATA enclosure rather than a SAS enclosure usually SAS enclosures they'll have like a SAS expander or something like that inside and that just won't work and people have tried it and failed because you can't use SAS and on a SATA bus you have to have a SAS bus to use a SAS expander but while we showed the qap tldd 400s with the fanless version you can also use the TLD D 800s with a pair of these or with like a fanless one of those and like you know a rackmount one or whatever and you can actually use those in tandem to go and provide like access to all eight drives now each of the units will only get access to four drives but at least you've saved some money because you have to buy two enclosures you only had to buy one enclosure that cost less per Drive than the 4B one that's a little bit convoluted but it does save you quite a bit of money if you're able to do that the other big got you with these is stupid and that is the Intel x553 Nick now the Intel x553 Nick has been around for forever and it is supported in the vast majority of 's however at the same time there are some versions of Debian and Debian based os's that are out there that have a bug that doesn't allow you to link between this SFP plus cage and a switch now for some reason you can link between this unit and a the other unit so if you wanted a direct attach thing for like sinking storage or syncing time I don't know maybe for like Network traffic or something like that you can actually make that connection and not care about what OS distribution you're running most likely however if you want to put that through a switch because that's what most people would want to do uh you could run into issues where the Intel driver doesn't work because it's using like some like old hooks or something like that in the API which is absolutely silly I did send a note to Intel asking when that will be fixed and if they have replied well we'll put it here if they haven't replied we Intel why not one thing that you can definitely do however is you can just go set the network interfaces on these and you can create a three node cluster no problem and just direct attach right so you could use one to one node the one to a second node and third one connecting to a third node and then just kind of cross-connect all of these little boxes together and have like three boxes that all have a free 10 gig port and are all networked together using a 10 gig cluster it's super clui but if you didn't want to have a switch and have that fast replication you could actually do that and frankly there are so many interfaces on here especially with like the 2 and half gig interfaces that if you turn this into like a router firewall or what you really could do is make this a virtualized router and firewall unit well then you have plenty of interfaces for you know having iot networks not even having to put them on a VLAN you also have networks to be able to do things like replication between these if you are going to do a a high availability cluster something like that you're not going to run out of interfaces which is awesome and the other thing to just keep in mind is that you have so much power in this thing right I mean this is a firewall that can do 18 gigabits per second and we're talking about a you know $300 Bare Bones and if you give it a nice like a pretty high-end configuration you're talking about like a 400 $100 box that is very competitive with a netgate $ 131,00 box and it's also very competitive even when you go and add an external enclosure with a lot of the trass systems and normally when we open these up they have really just horrible power supplies but not only does this have a relatively good meanwell power supply but it has a second way to go power it so you can use a DC power brick that you want anyway and hey guys I get it there are probably people that are going to look at this and be up in arms they're going to say like hey I would rather have a silent unit like that fan is a little bit too loud for me or maybe you I wish power consumption was a couple Watts lower and guys if that's the case then you just get the fanless version of this and call it a day right it's pretty easy now guys I know a lot of you have already posted in like the forums and in comments and stuff saying that you've gotten the oneu units and you really love them I can't wait to see what everybody else comes up with so please definitely go down in the comments tell me you know one what you think you could make out of this what you'd want to see different I know the quotum people are looking at this I mean personally guys if we get like an Adam c5000 series version of this like this would be phenomenal and that would give us access to like 25 gig so I'm going to pray that maybe that's a version for me but I'd love to hear what you guys think and with that if you did like this video well why don't you give it a like click subscribe and turn on this notification so you can see whenever we come out with great new videos as always thanks for watching have an awesome day

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Length: 20min 42sec (1242 seconds)

Published: Tue Jun 25 2024