TEKKEN 8 First Character Tierlist - Spring 2024

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where the characters are at in this game it's kind of hard to gauge it's kind of hard to make a a a tier list on this game because the characters are so incredibly different I've I've been at this for about 30 years playing Tekken and never have I seen characters change more for from one game to the other te you know kazia he's remained the exact same character since teken tag one you know what they usually do they give him two new attacks and then they change some properties on certain moves what you saw you know in Tekken 7 if you played that game going from like season two to season 3 here's one new attack and we change some properties that could usually be something we got you know historically jumping from one game to the other but with Tekken 8 I think they did it right they complet completely [ __ ] um shook things up and kazia and Jin you know they have like 20 new attacks and then they Chang all the properties and then the game play changes what happens when we have homing [ __ ] froze that on counter hit have like 8 10 frame brake Windows what happens then or what has the heat system done some characters have insane [ __ ] heat some characters like Jin they barely do anything in heat oh I can do my Omen dance that's [ __ ] useless or well you can use it at the wall but you get what I'm saying there's so many factors there's so much to take in and the new juggle system but I feel like I have a decent enough understanding now to make a teer list but if I feel unsure about this um I'll just stop and resume it at some other time uh but I think it's pretty clear who the best characters are so I'm going to get to it now and I just want to say that this is a pretty pretty balanced game if your character is in D let's say you play I don't know if we'll see if he he's going to stick there but these characters are not very good you know what panda is weaker than Kuma they they're probably both going to end up there but these two characters for example are not very good on paper you could put them in D you could put them in C that doesn't stop them from doing well because when we do a tier list we talk about the absolute highest level of play we we're talking about competitive play like Evo top eight and and uh well let's just say this character has had success in competitive play even though the character was dog [ __ ] in Tekken 7 right and it certainly doesn't stop a character from having a super high win loss ratio in this game I touched upon this a few minutes ago where I discussed Fang way Fang way is s tier in Tekken 8 this character is dog [ __ ] tier but this character still has the second best win ratio in the game he has the highest win ratio panda is not trading far behind right behind Fang way in win loss ratio but you can see on a tier list it can still be Worlds Apart so why does this character do so well no one knows the matchup and that super janky hit boxes so many [ __ ] knowledge checks steam rolls everyone so there's many factors to take into consideration but when we do a tier list we talk about Evo top eight what character on paper has batshit crazy tools that just [ __ ] everyone even if you have amazing defensive play you have amazing defensive play and you know a matchup Inside Out [ __ ] you anyway you're dead but if you play Kuma against a pro player who knows the matchup you're probably not going to do that well un unless your name is Rank and you're a genius right that's what we're talking about with ti lists and you know there's a lot of factors that goes into it uh but in the end this is a pretty balanced game in my opinion outside of yes TI like everyone even if you play kazia and you feel like man my character isn't that strong when I look at these characters you still have a ton of options and you have some BS compared to what you have in Tekken 7 it's easy to whine about these op characters and dear Lord You Have you should whine I whine every day because these characters are so stupid but if you're down here you have you have a you're doing pretty all right in my opinion even Leroy has some pretty nice tools uh but yeah should he be stronger he absolutely should be but you you have some stuff but this game in my opinion it it has the Tekken 7 syndrome of like if you're a to d The Balancing is not perfect but it's respectable I can live with it but for some reason there always has to be the DLC corner or in this game the S tier corner of the top 10 where the characters are completely [ __ ] moronic and in this game they took it even further because in Tekken 7 sorry for the long intro but this is interesting stuff stuff to me at least uh in Tekken 7 you know Akuma geese zafina couni Fang way the these super dumb characters I mean outside of Akuma you could at least say well at least we're playing Tekken somewhat there are some defensive counters to them and in akuma's case you need it to be an execution machine to pull it off in this game uh where is my coffee [ __ ] in this game it's a squirrel with some pretty severe handicaps you know can pilot this [ __ ] squeak squeak squeak he can get it done and there's no [ __ ] counterplay there's no counterplay you you can't move around TP typically in Tekken games you know we have option selects you can if you defend you can use movement this can be ducked okay I can use a Parry here oh you know what I can check you in between those two hits or you're minus 10 here flash punch here nowhere close to enough counterplay available or you know I turn into a legit Street Fighter character there's nothing like these two when we're in heat but I've ever seen in ATT attacking game I mean those of you thought Akuma was bad I mean again we've talked about this a few times but when Devil Jin is in heat can someone tell me what the [ __ ] I'm supposed to do I'm genuinely curious I almost want to ask the balancing team what was the idea here oh he should have a psycho Crush okay so he he presses a button his trigger no execution he presses a trigger and then he covers the entire screen the entire screen it's it literally bison fin boss from alpha 3 I'm that old when when his bar filled everyone just stood still because uh Not only was the Bison AI input reading so as soon as you pressed the button or jumped psycho cat you and in one frame it just exploded the screen and you died and then you didn't even have continues and you almost jumped out the window um but you have the exact same situation here where at the touch of a button the devils player when he's in heat he does a psycho Crusher that cannot be Sid stepped it cannot be ducked it can't be jumped it can't be pared unless you're Raven with a onef frame op Parry nothing you can do why is this in Tekken this is a game famous for having counterplay what is this doing in Tekken and and I get it they oh it's to enforce his 50/50 so when he's in heat the best 50/50 in the game and he's besy Crusher is the threat of a gun in a fist fight he's standing 5 m away and he does this are you going to fight me buddy he does this and you completely freeze because the dude's got a gun and then due to the threet of a gun he walks you down and he walks close to you and then he kicks you in the balls because you don't dare do anything so he just walks down and then he 50/50s you and you're like oh fun and then when he's out of heat I'm just like oh I can play again the neutral exists again and we can play teken this is a Street Fighter character when he's in heat this is a Street Fighter character Street Fighter character hadan Estus EST haduken homing I I'm sorry but I can't be the only one who feels this way I feel what is this doing in teken uh again I'm I'm I'm I don't want to sound grumpy like I never want Tekken to change I appreciate that we're taking risks and we're doing things but this is unfair this is straight up unfair but so yeah sorry that was a very long intro but I I I feel like I want you guys to just know what I'm thinking of when I try to do tier lists or when I try and think about the balancing of this game because it is pretty complex I don't think fighting games get more complicated than Tekken to be honest so uh yeah there's a lot of of factors but let's let's just try and put down the characters I'm going to start with s tier uh let's see who else is s tier uh he's close she is s tier she's broken uh dragonov is s tier he's broken um let's see we're going to put you in a a Victor is going to get a maybe he'll be top of a I wonder if he's as strong as raino uh let's see lar is a let's see I just I just want to see what I I'm not missing an S probably a oh she's super [ __ ] dumb oh she's a hang is a okay this is just going to be the start I I'm I'm thinking Le Lee is probably a as well yeah Jin you could put an a Lee a oh my God Nina's s you know what this is what it's going to look like this feeling you've had of everyone being op I think these are the true Ops they don't play Tekken anymore they play something else the a tier are op when you compare them to Tekken 7 stuff this is this feeling you've always had in the back of your head or to the frontal low parts of your head but everyone's on [ __ ] meth for Trenbolone everyone's doing juice everyone's [ __ ] op you felt that for a reason because even kazia is like compared to what he does in Tekken 7 he's on with juice right everyone's on with juice but these guys are still playing conventional Tekken Tekken 7 but they're they're still playing a very augmented Tekken 7 it's like 7.5 they're super strong this is the real Tekken 8o it's on this top row these guys are doing [ __ ] where you're like what the [ __ ] is this they're operating in a different realm to everyone else in my opinion um but so let's just start explaining the S tiers uh and the question is am I going to try and rank them even I think these two can't King is God mode King I realized yesterday as I was picking up my son from daycare I was thinking about his giant swing and his big birdly chest and I was like he's he's top five I think there's even a case for him being top three he's so [ __ ] strong um but the the problem is everyone is so [ __ ] busted over here uh fangu is probably not there you know what he probably is azua June no should I put them top five I think I'm going to do something like this Nina's damage output is so astronomically High though but Aus is so stupid uh but okay let's just start with character breakdown uh shall you who's the best character in the game I me it probably is dragonov yeah so we're going to start with dragonov so the biggest problem with dragonov is the Absurd damage uh I think they have to somehow scale down his damage with 30% every single launch he does it does way too much damage you're in kazia perfect electric territory almost on every launch a while running two counter hit is basically the end of that round if he gets you to the wall uh homing counter hit froze is a nightmare when you're dealing with his string pressure and mixups because suddenly you can't step because he has a 12 frame or 11 frame command throw that's homing that shuts down your stepping um he was designed around not having heavy hitting lows because his mids were so hard hitting and then what happens when you give that character a hatchet and a hatchet that's plus seven on hit and it's quarter Circle for so it's like the the counter gameplay doesn't really exist anymore he does everything and then some and then the new low full Crouch downford one4 complements his game play so unbelievably well uh did I mention the damage um yeah the character is simply ridiculous and long limbs strong reach Coro for four that's plus seven on block ax kick hits grounded if he catches you back turned he side steps you you you die due to his back turn damage one3 two the last hit used to only launch on counter hit now it launches on normal hit so he catches you back turned you know uh bending over pants down one fre two and he does and he has a good back turn it's funny because in previous games if he ever launched you off axis he famously got no damage he certainly fixed that as well now he has proper back turned or side sideway he can [ __ ] you sideways now no problem um and and his heat stuff is really strong with the tackle um no he's the best character in the game uh oh and his up for four has more damage now does 50 damage now with the Mei juggle into o key uh his uh his one plus two command fro gives a guaranteed back four what who thought that was a good idea and if a quick stand back for free hits you in the back and it's a heat engager or he does back forward to one but no one does back forward to one I noticed everyone does back for free because he gets away with it for free you see if if he does that throw B and he does back for free it hits you on the ground and he recovers in time due to back for free knocks you away and then who cares if a free kick whiffs because he knocks you away but if you quick stand he gets back for free in your [ __ ] and he's heat engaged it's just everything is so stupid um okay but that's Dragon of best character in the game and runner up is shiau shiau goes into aop in a micro second and now she is invulnerable she's Super Mario you know when you take a hit when you're mushroomed up you know and he starts glowing like that's basically Shia you can render him herself Invincible uh aop was buffed going from Tekken seven to Tekken eight I have no clue why was already super evasive in seven and now most of the tools you use to hit her out of that in seven it's gone uh so aop is absolutely ridiculous uh speaking of bre uh busted frows in this game you know with the you homing throw unbreakable on counter it well not breakable on reaction at least she has an 80 damage throw or does it do 75 she has a wangs wangs waning moon I don't know why she needed that uh that's a gigantic buff is it the highest damage throw in the game it might it might be the highest damage uh throw in the game well until we see the the Glorious Marduk of course that's going to be a nightmare and I like Marduk uh busted fro uh has all the uh lab character [ __ ] Shenanigans insane knowledge checks best Panic moves uh insane back turn mixups has legit good pokes has legit good punishment when she goes into heat she has the best 50/50 in the game she has many ways of uh doing a a string check be it uh uh what is it forward to one or she does one down to and she has many uh more ways of doing this but she goes into hypnotist and now you're dealing with a mixup that involves a minus 12 on block unseeable low that launches you minus 12 on block snake Edge I don't know who thought that was a good idea and also she she does significantly more damage now she was always held back by doing lower damage but uh that did a lot for her yo Yoshi was the same way where he was held back by the fact that he never really did damage when he launched people oh 55 damage while everyone else is doing 75 but now these two deal damage and that just it elevates them and then you add broken aop broken hypnotist 50/50 mixups uh and uh yeah you and up with Shia you uh so we can expect to see her a lot um and when Devil Jin I explained a little bit before uh in that is if you paid attention to that conversation I I hope someone some Chad on my YouTube If I upload this you make a chapters uh and maybe someone didn't watch the intro so I'm just going to say that this character is okay when he's not in heat he's quite all right he's hard to Pilot and he does his you know uh mids that are not that heavy hitting and then he mixes you with highs that are crazy like shackle electric He he'll do a hell sweep that does 45 damage but the maids are not all that uh but he has a perfect proog game but always is very good to have on a character and he has a uh the classic Jin Tekken Tag one tools like Laser cannon a very strong 50/50 right uh the stuff we associate with d and he's be all round Mishima has a Parry he has a samsar he has a back four he has a decent counter it game he has okayish poking even though he's down for one now is pretty [ __ ] compared to what it used to be it that that's the drawback they made on this character they were like okay devil is super explosive in Tekken 8 so he can't have a Tekken 7 jab and down for one so they nerfed the reach of a jab gave that to jyn instead and his downford one is now minus 6 and it's no longer a mid mid string which is safe it's now a mid High string significantly worse poking but much more explosive and much much cheesier with you know morning Crow knowledge check charge up punch [ __ ] they gave him very explosive stuff instead the problem with this character is when he goes into heat because now he's threatening you with a psycho Crusher but has no counterplay you can only look at him as he's coming in with a wave Dash which which can cancel at any point into said psycho Crusher so you're just looking at him and then you you can't press you can't do anything uh and then he 50/50s you and the it's the best 50/50 in the game outside of hypnotist [ __ ] um but uh arguably the best heat in the game absolutely ridiculous um and of course he can also um morning crow in and heat into an unbreakable throw uh it's it's just a heat that is so unbelievably dumb um but outside of a heat he's still very strong but he's nowhere near as [ __ ] um but yeah that's double Jin and he's also significantly higher damage in this game in Tekken 7 his combos weren't very good and now he has some of the best combos significantly higher damage output and his rage art is actually really good it's so lenient in terms of like you do a big combo and you do a lot of hits and then you end with a hit and you throw them super far away that rage art hits very low to the ground very far away his combo utility is really good uh and now we are at Fang way uh Fang way basically carries over what he was in Tekken 7 which was a perfect Flawless character but had the best poking in the game is he up close to you the best poking no one was close to him the options he threatened you with when he's this kissing distance from your ball sack no one can is more threatening than Fang way and it was much thanks to the the back one right 10 frame counter hit for 50 damage and also a down for one that is neutral on block neutral on block down for one all be at 14 frames but also a 12 frame mid check which is homing and safe 12 frame mid check check homing and safe no one has tools like this only Fang way and that and is evasiveness his Campo his up for two evasiveness safe all of that transitioned into Tekken 7 and then what did they do they gave him a back free jet frust knee which is just yeah unbelievably dumb did Fang way this package of a character did he need a long range knockdown mid that's plus six on block and counter it for 50 damage into Oki did he need this oh and then and then Fang way goes into heat and suddenly back one knocks down on normal hit uh he has a charge up attack on block that gives a guaranteed back one on wall um his um he he has a 3 four uh tornado kick ground p where he lands on the ground and now you're forced to take the one of the best 50/50s in the game be it his back turned down threee which is a low launcher or he has a 50/50 throw mixup where you can't tell by the animation he has a mid launcher um he has very high damage um oh and he has an absolutely [ __ ] sweep uh oh yeah he has a Campo remains Campo free and which is the launching option they made they made it you can't launch it anymore used to be- 16 now it's -4 may I ask why why why does he have a a sweep from Crouch that doesn't stagger on block he legit has a sweep from Crouch like he does a sweep into a punch natural combo or he stops into a mixup and it doesn't stagger on block just goes right through your your block um there there's just a lot of things I don't uh yeah I don't know I I guess they just want him to be a perfect character um thing is very strong uh King is very interesting because it it took me a long time to understand King but I I feel like I finally understood understood it yesterday he's the best counter character in the game it's not the counter hit uh paragon it's not Brian it's not Lee it's not uh Paul it's not ASA uh this is the best counter it character in the game and it's not even [ __ ] close his giant swing is a 10f frame homing attack 10 frame homing that counter it for 70 damage if you don't get the tech roll or if you go into the wall 10 frame homing 70 damage counter it that alone is [ __ ] s TI and then what else do we have in terms of counter it well we have a rest of his [ __ ] froze right and then we have uh a low Ford for neutral to Kabam that no recoverable Health your health bar is just a void after that because it's a throw but that that that move is minus 13 on Block it's got a ton of reach hits grounded it's what is it plus seven on hit setting up his mixups his 12 frame shove counter hit which gives a free 4ward to one heat engager or even more damage if you're closer to the wall um down forward 21 everyone else lost their amazing quick counter it utility he still has a 13 frame mid elbow mid elbow but you can twitch confirm into the one you can confirm this if someone presses and you add the one it's very generous here in the timing and now uh your opponent is going to eat 75 damage from a 13 frame mid counter hit due to how generous the combo system in is in this game he will do down for 4 free to pick up very easy into back one two and now he has time to run in sidewalk do a two jab into Shining Wizard and you're looking at 75 damage plus super strong Oki from The Shining wizard he has the best counter it game in this game uh and then he has amazing utility outside of that he has super good mids to to stop you from uh ducking him like forward four for example uh or downford one is a is a nice check forward free into a DDT uh he does 80 damage from uh like Crouch down for two he can do a laun train to like 75 80 damage best Oki in the game some of well outside of her some of the best Oki in the game uh one of the best heat Smashes in the game has insane utility if he's in heat and he does a shining wizard on you in a combo uh or whatever he gets a guaranteed shining wizard on your ass you you just have your options here are either it hits you when you're grounded or you can quick stand and eat it on your guard but now you still take the chip damage and now you're going to take the fun mixup of is it an RKO or is it the elbow that just resets the whole goddamn situation oh and and his heat you know his Jaguar Sprint where he's armored running towards you and now he can cancel it if he wants to so no commitment um yeah uh no K King is uh oh and the muscle armor he doesn't have a back dash terrible back dash but he can still Jaguar step from learning a lot from your devil gin hey cheers man uh back 3 four he can just step away very quickly he can muscle armor which is insanely strong if you know how to use it because he doesn't have to commit to the muscle armor heat engager the two option he can do muscle armor hop kick if he times it well oh and his up for free four armor the you know kick when he jumps in um and his chain frows his chain his chain frows are really good RDC is still pretty tough to break and has really great uh dragon sleeper hold has great mixup standing heal hold is super strong yeah what is King's problem exactly in this game it could even be here I think but I'm going to put him in top five I think King King is super strong uh Al Sia I feel like I almost don't have to explain while running 3E 2 is half a reason the character is up here while running free2 you can step left into a duck if you know it's coming but if he's smart and he delays it a little bit you get blown up it's plus five on block jails nothing you can do and it chips a ton I don't know even if it didn't ship a ton of Health on guard it would still be God mode and broken but to add insult to injury it does a significant amount of Chip damage on block and when you're she's plus five and you just stand there like oh what can I do you you don't know and then she does another while running free to because you're so afraid of pressing a button because she could be doing a down for two or a counter it launcher or anything um and Van if she's not doing well running 32 she can she can throw out a down for one four with a down for one that tracks pretty okayish to both sides and the the follow-up kick for some reason a high kick down for one mid check high kick jails can't duck the kick if if you if you got blocked the down for one can't duck the kick I'm sorry are are we back in Tekken three again and then so and that down for one for is safe of course and it's a natural she can add a third hit a high at coun it launches which is safe on block she can do a mid afterwards that is minus 10 though um but what she can also do is do downford 14 into uh what's this what is it called libertador what is it called the stand you can actually do down for 14 into stands and then 50/50 you uh it's just you you can you can sorry I'm going to play that later just there's no counter play even if you have Rock Solid defense you've been playing for years and you know exactly like how to move around effortlessly and you know how to duck stuff and apply punishes she doesn't give you any openings there are no openings you can't duck my down for 14 you can't step my while running free to I mean technically you can but yeah if I delay it with one pixel you blow up oh no you know what my favorite is my favorite is when you when someone Sid steps my while running 32 and I end up on the other side of the [ __ ] map I mean Africa because he just zooms to the other side and you don't get a punish anyway there's so many more things I could mention on this character how she has an orbital she has a a great down for two she's got great lows she's got great stance mixups she's got a safe power Crush for one plus 2 safe on Block it's a high but who cares he also has it of course you know it's the newcomer privilege it's just so much dumb [ __ ] but I think you can just say while running 32 almost and you got it uh Nina does absurd amounts of damage she has some of the highest combo damage in the game uh some really great counter hits uh down back two uh remains a homing longrange mid counter launcher back four remains a save five that guarantees a down for two for insane damage uh she's got every tool she needs like orbital uh D free uh low poke uh strong down for one but what what puts her so over the top uh oh and side step four counter it is strong uh but what puts her so over the top are the crazy frames she gets from her new attack well step one always crazy frames but her new attack forward four it's it's like a side flip she does where she kicks um and she can do forward for two which is a natural heat engager mid High minus 9 on block so you can duck the second hit but what most Nas will do is forward for in she can cancel it into a side step and now it's plus two on block and now she can do side step one into a forwards way and now she's plus 10 on block and like what plus 20 on hit and you're you're just you're stuck in a barrage and loop of these absolutely ridiculous frames um so ve very very strong character and her while stunning one 13 frame punish if she's in heat it does like what 50 damage into wall Splat um she's got a lot of dumb [ __ ] uh and then June Jesus do I even need to cover this character I feel like I've already talked about the character so many times but uh respectfully there might be people watching this video who have not seen those takes uh June can do just about everything I put her here because I think though that if people lab enough I think she'll lose just enough of that unfamiliar knowledge check utility she has right now that everyone is falling for she does one two two or for 32 into this mixup where she I think she spins around once and then she you know what I'm talking about she spins around once and then she does either a throw or a power crush or a hell sweep or a jumping kick you've seen this before I think if people learn to duck those she's going to lose that utility but outside of that she has some of the best combos some of the best uh launchers um her 10f frame punishment is the best outside of Lee although there's an argument for her being better because she can wall Splat from so far away he does acid rain for uh 47 damage she does 36 damage and can wall Splat from far away with a jab like and she can do it from Crouching as well crouching 10 frame punish 36 wall Splat um heat smash is insanely broken I think it's the best heat Smash in the game she threatens you again with a gun projectile just like he does but it's faster it's 13 frames it's homing there's nothing your opponent can do about it zero zilch literally nothing and even on block or if it hits or whatever it's going to it's going to heal June recoverable Health uh she gets a significant portion of it back and it damages the opponent on on on block so even on block there's this uh Health redistribution where June gains health and opponent loses Health it's the most FR I think that's the most frustrating thing for me in this game is her heat smash unbelievably unfair and what else can we say hop cick launching throw forward for is a plus three on block homing uh forward forward fre free four is a plus three unblock mid homing you can interrupt it but when she's crouching she has a she has a down forward two low that that counter hits into a guaranteed while standing threee a launcher and it's the that low is min-1 on block while standing 1 plus 2 is a minus two on block counter it launching mid Ford Ford 1 plus 2 is uh is a mid that's plus seven on block side step four is a mid that's plus seven on block she can do one two into side step and threaten you with with side step four um I don't know it's just an oh forward two and when she's in heat she can add a projectile to it to make it safe she has a forward two that's the best whiff Punisher in the game she shares that with uh with Asa this is super ASA by the way and she also has asca's back free which is one of the best uh don't ever try one the best kead moves in the game don't ever try to press into me she has that she has the Parry she has a sabaki launch she has a launching Parry but safe unblock it has an attack it's a sabaki um yeah I don't know am I missing anything uh I don't know if I'm missing anything it's just it never ends with this character it it just never ends um oh she has can can you know we could go through the entire move list if we want but we have to be brief because otherwise this is going to be 8 hours I already feel like I'm talking too much about the characters uh those are the S tiers you know what I'm going to we're done with that I'm going to have some water magic water I can already feel my voice go here all right in my opinion those are the bad best characters in the game and now I'm at a tier and the question is if I want to rearrange these um I almost want to say in no particular order you know what I'm I'm just going to say in no particular order on this one although Victor is going to fall off once people get more I'm going to at least try and arrange it somewhat I I think he's going to fall off once people get more accustomed to the matchup like people understand to sidewalk him to the right um and again like he lost his throw let's talk about him last um ah JIS Lars is Lars better than Jin I have no clue Shaheen uh L H Lee is solid though but this is hard like all of these characters are strong like Brian I wouldn't even put up here if it the thing is Brian is here until they fix the problem I swear to God they're going to change his uh heat Dash on block at the wall frames because right now I put him here because he's a he has a completely broken Tor setup uh but but you know what this isn't no particular order okay Raina uh Raina is the thing is she could even be S here I think but I'm putting her in a now because I think the she has to work too hard like the these there's just too little effort here uh Raina some of the best movement in the game she's got tits she's a waifu that usually means good movement Raina is no exception and when a character with really good movement has a 13 frame electric you already have something insanely powerful right there an electric is only as strong as the movement the reason tag Mishima were held in such high regard in Tag 2 was because the movement was so strong and what happens van when you're a legendary Mishima player and you have the best movement in the world and your name is jdcr you flourish in that environment because if I have a best movement and I'm a legendary Mishima player in this particular environment holy hell I'm doing well right um but vent and 7 happens movement is much more restrained and but in this game again she has incredible movement she has a 13 frame electric now we are already in powerful territory and and then now she has ford4 two which is potentially what a 12 frame super Long Reach mid check a transitions into STI mixup even on Block it's devastating on hit she confirms into STI free heat engager she has a million options from Sentai which is a very powerful stance she can go go Sentai 4 which you've already seen a million times where she does a cartwheel flip and it's plus4 on block and then she just keeps checking you with Jabs she checks you with her jab which has insane reach one one if she notices it connects while she adds the two and then now congrats it's Sentai again and it's Vortex STI pressure pressure she has the old man's forward four which is plus to one block if it hits on Crouch he gets a guaranteed down for one two which is a 13 frame heat engager and is absolutely disgusting to deal with when she's in heat because now she's threatening you with down for one Long Reach very long reach down for one which she can cancel into Sentai and now you have Sentai 1 plus two in your face and she goes into Heaven's ra and now she Auto pares right because she's in heat but if you don't do anything she has her iron hand 50/50 or or her heat Smash and if the downford one if you don't respect it Chrome Dome downford one too and into the wall you go and when she's in heat she gets to do this for free this little mind game because she does she doesn't commit to anything she does down for one two and then she heat dashes out of it and she's plus five and then it starts over again she does down for one again un uninterruptible uh and she has a strong enough 50/50 with that hell sweep into Heaven's Raph Heaven's Raph is super annoying to deal with hunting Hawk she can do with chips a ton and then she lands right next to you after you've blocked that and now you take that fun mixup of unbreakable throw or she does a [ __ ] iron hand which can launch um her heat smash has super Long Reach gives a ton of frames her electric does a bazillion damage because she has some of the best combos in the game she has in literally Infinity wall travel it is literally Infinity to the wall we go any anywhere she launches you on the stage two of a wall we go me lady you know please treat me nicely um wall combo does a ton of damage um has some very interesting par utility has really good knowledge checks to be honest really good ones um her uh she has a really dumb string what is the string uh free4 she does a cartwheel can hit confirm the followup 344 and when she's in heat she adds another hit and it's natural 3 444 you've seen this right and if you blocked it congrats it did a million damage if you ate it congrats it did 2 million damage um extremely strong and potent character but it's is held back by the fact that she's so hard to Pilot it's it's not only strong execution demands she's a complicated character there's a lot you need to read up on but even then you have to be pretty quick on the draw when you utilize her moves and you got to react quickly to what you opponent is doing and again hit confirming a for for two into Sentai 3 it's not easy and she she's doing stuff like that all the time did this hit was disgarded forward four dad's forward four right splits kick did it counter hit what do I do van oh war god kick uh did it hit on Crouch down for one two you got to re you got to be on the ball on with his character uh but yeah war god kick is also that's a pretty good steel pedal right or a mid mix sa safe mid mixup for your uh electric and it's uh it's a counter launcher like there's a lot she is borderline s tier but I think I think she's held back too much by the fact that she's so hard to Pilot uh but could be S tier to be honest uh thanks for Subs boys I really appreciate that I'm just going to try and finish the recording um and then we have Alysa Alysa has some of the best mov some of the best poke utility super good range darts across the screen at will she is everywhere she wants to be at once everywhere all at once what's the name of that movie uh she does that uh Willy NE neilly anytime she wants she's gone anytime she wants to she's right in your face again uh her neutral control is incredible with the attacks that go in and out in and out in and out um her punishment is extremely strong um used to all also be one of these characters that didn't really have combos but now she has combos she does a million damage and she was already borderline top 10 in Tekken s and now you give that character a million damage um but the real insult in my opinion is having a r 20 M range hell Sweep with chainsaw G giving her uh they buffed her chainsaw mixups and even even the the strong Alysa players who dare to say it say like there's no counterplay if she's in your face and starts buzzing you with chainsaws in previous games you had option select in this game there's nothing you can do but guess correctly or they say you know what a good thing here is that as she's doing these plus five unblocked chainsaws a chip Buton at least when you guard and don't press buttons just guard and when you've guarded four three or four attacks she would she will have pushed you back so much that you're out of you're in safe uh space now you're Out Of Reach for the mixups when people have to start saying [ __ ] like that you know it's pretty godamn strong right uh super dumb character super brain dead a chip monk can get this character to to a high rank I'm so sorry if someone is offended by me saying that but sorry it's just the truth uh LW is really good in this game uh you know what I'm going to take more sip sips here so uh the thing with LW is that at first glance I actually thought he was going to get nerfed or he was nerfed I was like God damn it actually law uh he's he's significantly weaker than he is in Tekken 7 344 was the arguably the best move in Tekken 7 it was certainly the best punish tool super Long Reach 14 frame mid launcher with no execution accessible by one button or a bind it was a death button like that couldn't whiff anything you could never be minus 14 they nerfed it not a launcher anymore still does good damage and then magic fours were Lally removed he still has his magic for but he has to commit to for free which is so much worse than just doing the single kick he did in teeken s and not only that his magic 4 was 11 [ __ ] frames in Tekken s Navi reduced the speed by two frames it's now 13 frames so I looked at this and I was like [ __ ] me like this isn't looking good and then I talked a little bit more with LW players and then it turns out now he's he's super good so a lot of the stuff that made him very strong and uniquely strong in all round in Tekken s is still there his down for two is still incredible it still tracks super well Dragon Hammer Ford 1 plus two is still one of the best counter it moves it's so good um his back free is still a great space control tool he still has a great low poke in D back free in in down for free uh his 50/50 utility is still strong his slide was buffed he now gets the turnaround 1 plus two nunchuck followup for a ton of damage into Oki and that oh oh and everyone now this is a big Point anyone Now can do the god law the version of law that was reserved for a few people in Tekken 7 due to mastering it over many years anyone can do it now anyone now will do while standing for holding forward for free holding forward and access some of the most brutal frames you see in the game so now any law has access to [ __ ] stun locking you on guard behind the crazy [ __ ] frames so the the average efficiency of law has gone up dramatically right due to everyone now having access to God law basically due to DSS execution being gone that that's a big deal but also that one plus 2 nunchuck we talked about cablam insane move uh super Long Reach mid counter it launcher minus 13 on block right correct me is it- 12 or 13 I think it's 13 but if you space it correctly there's so much push back that most characters punishes will whiff 13 facts it also tracks a [ __ ] ton to both sides and it hits grounded as you know with the slide and it acts like a steel pedal due to that counter it utility when he's in heat this this is a natural hit launcher right it's a natural hit launcher when he's in heat nice and let me oh and he's got amazing combos amazing combos uh some of the highest combo damage in the game actually if if he saves his Bound for the wall some of the highest combo damage in the game and let me tell you about heat law so outside of that nunchuk that Launches on normal hit heat law I mean I I should also mention his heat engager 111 his gcle 11 111 that just looks wrong when I look into the webcam I'm going to stop doing that so he does one one so again 10 frame jab right twitch hit confirm so you confirm that they pressed into it and now you add the third punch and now it's a heating did you know that when he's in heat this doesn't give you you know the heat Dash bound where you get a guaranteed ground followup it's a full launcher it's like heihachi's Tekken 7 rage Drive which was the best rage Drive in the game when that [ __ ] is in heat he'll check you with 1 one and if he sees that you pressed into it he adds another hit and now you're launched yay oh and same thing with his back one too you know that long range mid uh uh free hit string that he checks with it's for is I think it's 14 frame startup back one two two he does back one two and if he sees that it he counter hited he adds the third hit for a million damage and now this also launches uh heat heat law is absolutely brutal to the point where I'm wondering who has the best heat in this game I'm inclined to say Devil Jin shall you but like LW has to be way the [ __ ] up there in terms of heat heat utility um and now we're on Brian Brian is actually a character I think you could put here if if you want to the reason I put him here is due to uh the taunt heat Dash Tech uh for those of you who don't know um uh I think most of you don't know right now but uh you know when you uh heat dash out of an attack you do a heat engager like for example with KY I do devil fist I'm in heat and I do devil fist on block and I heat dash out of it I'm plus five now in neutral space if I do it at a wall it will wall crush and I get like plus 20 or plus 11 or plus 17 right right when he does this be it his uh d one two heat engager or his corle for 1 plus two which is the best option long range mid when he does this on block at the wall he gets plus 18 his taunt is 28 frames he gets a guaranteed taunt on you there's nothing you can do there there is one thing you can do that people have found which is to do up forward one you can't jump away in time you can't Crouch jab you can't do anything the only thing you can do is press up forward one to do a jumping punch and now the taunt will slam you into the wall but you're in jumping State he can still get a followup the counter obviously is to just do back four here for Brian if you try and do up forward one he can back for you uh did I say back one he can back for you and kill you but uh the fact that if you don't know about this up for one if you don't know about that it's it's just super [ __ ] broken he he just he literally if you don't know about that up for one I mean even if you know about it it's it's super [ __ ] busted in my opinion because he can just back for and kill you but if you don't know about that counter play this is we equivalent of Coro Ford 1 plus 2 doing 90 90 damage on block if the Brian player has the execution heat dash out of that taunt back four boom you died and how many people do you think know about UPF for one oh that's right zero people about zero people um so with that I'm putting him in a but I think we're going to remove that I I wouldn't be surprised if you see a patch where that is changed to like plus 17 or something uh uh but um I I feel like outside of that Brian is playing Tekken 7 and they gimped him a little bit in certain areas and buffed him in certain areas magic 4 is gone his magic four does nothing now he can't even do for free or commit to more it's just nothing uh his mck kick is no longer a counter launcher it knocks down into a hatchet no sorry a soccer kick this is a significant Nerf uh they nerfed Hatchet a little bit but it's still very strong um side Step One is no longer a launcher uh his Northern cross is no longer a counter it launcher this all of this stuff adds up to something that that is pretty dramatic but then he gained some pretty cool things uh like down for to one sway uh one plus 2 one sway um he got uh a COR Circle back one which is a great tool it's a really good tool and plus five on block counter it high launcher it's super [ __ ] fast but I think I think Brian and he has some of the best Combos and when you couple those combos with this taor Tech you have something super powerful super powerful but he's still he got a lot of key counter utility removed his plays too honest in my opinion there's too much execution for what you get when these characters exist way to too honest he has really great homing with M kick and down for four but who cares of great homing space control it's it's a bit like this guy in Tekken 7 back one really stands out it's like look at the space control of this [ __ ] and this guy but who cares when these guys they don't even worry about homing because any button they press is homing my giant swing homing while running free to homing I pressed the button homing I scratched my ass homing we don't even care so that's why I'm like who cares if you have great homing moves the god mode characters who are playing Street Fighter they don't [ __ ] care they don't [ __ ] care at all and his poking Still Remains uh not bad but but weak compared to the characters who do poking well uh he's a little bit sluggish in startup on a lot of his best moves he's still a tier but he's a true character specialist character he's very specific in what he does very hard to Pilot um but I'm I'm going to give him eight tier but I got to say if it wasn't for that Tor Tech I could actually see him in B I could I could definitely see him in B so I'm going to put him here I think um Lars uh oh my God uh every thing about Lars that was weak in seven is just gone in seven he was held back by doing uh very unsafe stance Mix-Ups that you could always step there was always clear counter play to Lars uh but but uh the things he did well in Tekken s was super good punishment good defensive utility although his movement was kind of weak uh but super good whiff punish and super good block punish and decent enough counit utility always although he never had a 15 frame counit launcher which everyone else seemed to have uh but his combos were so good so good and he still retains insane combos but what he has now is again this just lack of counterplay everything tracks more on this character now and he now also has a dragon lash which he shares with hang uh Lars does forward fre free and he does a kick that's Plus on block goes into silent entry right stance mix up uh and you can't you can't back dash it you can't interrupt it with a jab because you can't react in time you can't uh you know how they say about Ken in Street Fighter do your four-frame jab to interrupt the dragon lash you can't do it in this game against him he just jumps in with that kick and it's a homing midest plus and he'll do for free into silent entry one from bat kick and Silent entry one is what my - four on blockus 6 on block with the push back almost resets neutral and it's a natural combo heat engager and he just gets away with it for free for free and there's just no counterplay or he does uh forward free stops or forward free into mixup um he has this new demon flip now he he's always had upward free for that jump but now he jumps twice as high he can do a kick from it he can do a throw he beats almost every attack I swear to God they made his orbital more evasive he beats a lot of mids now I swear to God they dabbled with his [ __ ] hit box on orbital because I see him beat so many mids now but I I feel like he didn't beat before um and then uh is new to one string into mix up unseeable loow that does a ton of damage uh he's got stomped now from every [ __ ] stance he didn't have that before that was a big problem for him um he can do his uh what what is what is the String he does is it 21 into his full Crouch low double uh Tire shoes double slap on the shoes that is so strong uh he he is H sweep uh he can do hell sweep too now into plus frames into mix up his his Heat it drives me insane when he's in heat because now he still has his Dragon lash but he can also do an armored attack that dashes in super quickly into mixup and it's it's just it's a nightmare it's a nightmare and I feel like I can never do anything I I feel like there's no counterplay he's not as ridiculous as these characters but he's just is so difficult to fight in this game I feel like in seven you know clear counter play but here I just feel like he's playing Tekken eight he's he's playing like these guys right I just feel like I'm just take a [ __ ] guess all the time just take just take a guess that's what it feels like um very frustrating um and then we are at Shaheen who is a character no one plays uh but they did interesting stuff uh with with his game play uh in this game um he has a street fighter flash kick like a charge up attack you you crouch and then uh you crouch for like it almost feels like 2 seconds it's a significant amount of time it has to pass and then you can press up for it two and it does like a jumping tornado I think it's high and it's super plus on block and it does it launch a normal hit uh like if you do this if if you do this on on heat when you're in heat it guarantees his the forward back too which is an attack that transitions a 13 frame attack that transitions it's a high that transitions into a fro uh it's super cool um the stuff like that is really cool and then he has uh many other attacks with this cool W whoosh effect wind effect I really like that um but uh he he still plays very honest and basic teken and it's uh just with very strong tools he's a big guy with a lot of range um he's got great mid checks homing he's got great lows he's got a slide which is very strong which also gets a better followup in this game he's got an orbital uh long range uh punishment is uh 423 12 frame has got insane [ __ ] reach he's just overall very solid plays very strong basic Tekken it's just that it's not [ __ ] I see him a bit like Lily where very strong basic grounded Tech gun and they do it super well and they've got all the tools it's just that they don't go into [ __ ] territory you know I feel like Lily and Shaheen are a little bit similar in those ways where they just reward these very strong fundamental players um and they do it so well they play Tekken 7.5 in the best way possible but it's never [ __ ] um but uh no Shaheen is very honest and very strong yeah just uh just boring alwi gamep play is more fun now I would say especially with that charge up uh Jin this is a funny one for me you know what I'm going to take a sip this is a funny one for me because I SP spent a great amount of time after playing but this was good old main man who didn't know [ __ ] well I still am to be honest um when I played uh Network test uh V Alpha We we played the alpha and and me and arsenal were sitting there face to face playing and we're like JY is so [ __ ] broken like that down too that Scourge we were like oh he's going to be number one and then uh we played the beta no network test and then we played the beta and then we played the demo and to me I would always contrast him to a character I played right or Paul and when I compared to those characters I felt like man jyn is broken jyn is going to be number one but this is where we failed as a community because shiau players shiau was playable uh in those betas he was playable she was playable she was playable but they they never said anything about their characters being beyond [ __ ] busted but everyone sort of agreed like why is he so overtuned oh my God he's too much Kaza is completely [ __ ] broken we got to Nerf kazia Nerf that [ __ ] pitchforks and while we're all playing these characters right I I I think we failed as a community you know and he got a lot of [ __ ] and I thought he was op but then the as soon as the game dropped and you spent time with the game and you start understanding the reality of this game which I in um we come back to if you didn't watch the intro to this video uh I talked about how Tekken 8 operates and have a b what the balancing looks like and the more you understand what it looks like the more you realize that well Jen is all things concerned he's pretty honest he's pretty he has some dumb [ __ ] I hate his uh Samar on steroids I hate his down two uh 2 on4 is overtuned uh he has some [ __ ] Zen mixups but it's it's so hard to be close to even remotely annoyed at him when you play against these characters all day J Jen is pretty [ __ ] honest in this game and if you want to make if you want to be completely [ __ ] real about it in certain ways he significantly weaker than he is in um in tekken7 he's stronger in some ways but like if say you want to break someone's guard like in second seven you do have that uh you know straight up launching hell sweep that can do like what 54 damage with the best combo or can go into rart for a ton of damage you can't do that anymore this Jin relies more on counter hitting like that Scourge down too it's absolutely [ __ ] disgusting but if if no one ever presses into it is it that disgusting any anymore it's like uh he requires more that people press into him and then and then you got to combine this with one of the worst back dashes in the game which is not good and then the fact that he he had the most OP Parry in Tekken 7 right his Parry was broken and then they they nerfed that Parry it's still good but now it's much more let's just say reasonable so he he took a couple of hits you know uh uh but still you know what he does he does extremely well he's super all round tool for every situation 214 is super good down two is super good standing four is super good back to one up for two perfect throw game the house sweep is still pretty decent um but uh I got like he is he is really good which is why I put him in a tier but I'm just saying like there are things holding him back I used to talk about him like a perfect character and he's not his heat is really important in this game and how good is his heat is heat even a factor on this guy I feel like heat utility on him it's like what he has an option you do on everyone which is heat Dash demon po heat Dash he doesn't really have heat [ __ ] it doesn't really change when he's in heat and then his combos are good but they're not complete [ __ ] Jin doesn't do astronomical damage I think he did higher damage in Tekken 7 and I think kazia did higher damage in Tekken 7 so there are a couple of things holding him back from being a s tier in my opinion um but uh very strong character very strong character uh Leo is uh well basically what he was in Tekken s super all round I want to say super BS but again you're in a new environment now where pretty much everyone is more BS uh very good down for two very good Demon Po in Ford for two uh very good mid check in jumping up for to one which now gives a combo uh you just do heat heat Smash and now it's a combo but was very hard to combo from that in Tekken 7 now you just do oh sorry heat smash heat burst to get a combo um uh homing hell sweep always nice to have great homing moves uh back4 is one of the best strings in the game into mixup uh mid mid check uh bu is so annoying uh b 2 is a safe minus 9 super evasive mid launcher uh has got great heat utility one 14 10 frame punish goes into what is it called K k i I don't remember what the stance is called very very high combo damage I see I I Richi played this character and any launcher he gets it's just astronomical [ __ ] damage especially the wall combo seems almost like it needs scaling down um has a very strong heat engager in it's a punch into a kick back to four or something very good uh heat engager um down for two free is one of the best lows in the game it's a 21 frame startup evasive low that's a counter it launcher and minus 121 block uh ridiculous ridiculous uh all right yeah while studying for one plus two uh is a highly damaging 11 frame while sending punish that's a heat engager always fun to deal with uh by the way that one um oh and the quco for for one two is one of the best mid check in the game Coro Ford one is a great low but on counter it guarantees while standing for 1 plus two said heat engager um I don't know I don't want to talk too much about this character because he bores me to death I just it's almost like he doesn't exist he's so [ __ ] dull but he is very strong um but I I think there's almost a case frame being stronger in Tekken 7 because I don't feel that he's been doing a lot of juice in this game everyone else is like TR TR ah ah you know or is it it's in the butt cheeks I've never done roids you know I'm a beta I don't do roids kids uh but it's in the butt cheeks you blast it into the butt cheeks and I feel like he's super strong in Tekken s more of a top 10 there I think whereas in this game he didn't do the juice well well you know what I took a look at him and I I took a guess you know I saw he's not on juice you know what is he like 80 lb uh um but uh but yeah uh so in this environment not as dramatic as he is in Tekken 7 I think uh Lily uh the queen uh I think she's now my favorite waifu very strong plays very strong honest basic Tekken and in the Tekken 7 environment like oh my God are you good right but she's still playing tekun she's not playing enough Street Fighter that's the problem super good super augmented s tier but still playing Tekken so that that's that's the thing with her um but uh best movement in the game and that's it's saying a lot as well in the game where you know side steps have never been bigger I think you have to go back to like Tekken five I don't know if even Tag 2 side steps were this chunky but you have to go back far but but uh in this environment she retains a bigger sidestep than everyone else when she sidesteps it's like she disappears she can step so many things no other character can step um that's a big deal and then she has super good punish super good block punish whff punish which helps that movement right um and then some of the best combos Super Great Wall travel super high [ __ ] damage um forward four is like longer reach than him I think to be honest longer reach long [ __ ] legs longer reach forward for venin minus 9 on block safe uh counter it launcher extremely good um has a lot of evasive attacks that launch great Panic buttons um great counter launchers in Ford three homing mid down for three uh plus three on block mid down three is a great low poke down one two is a great low poke natural that goes into back turn mixups back turn 50/50s are disgusting her range is batshit crazy even uh free four is a homing heat engager double ballerina kick infinite range homing um Cora for 3 four is an amazing homing uh move uh not only does she move well across space she locks down space Great Space control um her heat is actually dis rusting she can do the the rabbit uh 360 spin side step jump where if she commits to the double jump she regains uh heat uh energy she re replenishes her bar but she can also cancel that rabbit jump or step Midway and immediately commit to a 50/50 where she can do a mid demon pole that reaches super far and launches if you dash out of it that's a heat engager by the way or she can do a sweep that knocks down into a guaranteed followup for like 40 damage she also has uh now a um uh steel pedal devil steel pedal in uh cor for 3 it has very long range and flips them on the ground it's very good uh I think it's safe right minus 9 I think so and then she has uh a g CLI now so she'll do one one and if it counter hits she adds a free kick one one free and at the wall this gives a guaranteed steel pedal it does not wall Splat though uh but a steel pedal at the wall um so Lily has a lot of [ __ ] amazing stuff she's really good uh but the but the question is like can we put her in s tier I don't think so personally um uh but super good uh and then we have Lee and Lee is a counter hit God he's a keep out God he's overall a defensive God if you try and Rush him down he has back four like stay a [ __ ] away from me it's a counter it launching mid Long Reach uh recovers instantly almost on whiff you can't like whiff punish him you can't run in on him you can't uh and then even if he blocks your attack you're probably in a super bad place because even if you're just minus 10 a good player is going to acid rain you for 47 damage in this game acid rain is a bit easier to do it's still hard but it's a bit easier and then they made it so that it's easy now to get the Blazing kick followup which means 47 damage into Oki um and then you know if you whiff anything uh Acid Storm is a long range 15 frame launcher so in terms of defense and again like you're trying to press into him he might do down three which is an unbelievably evasive low counter it launcher and he has a down for two for keep out as well he has magic 4 which remains 11 frames no one else has that by the way yeah 11 frame countrate launcher it can do 434 or it can do the Cardinal machine gun kicks 444 heat engager or he can on counter he can Dash in back fre fre for a combo still very hard to do right but uh in terms of defense like he is way up there but his problem has always been if he goes up against a patient very gifted defensive player how does he break this guard he's never had a throw game to do that he had to rely on a one plus two throw break which all good players are going to break and then he never had much much of a 50/50 he had slide which was a bit underwhelming and then uh his other low HKS weren't that good uh and then in terms of mid mixup he doesn't have a you know left splits kick forward for3 safe mid launcher he would have to do something like while standing two three unsafe on block or he would do while standing two four which is mid high and we can duck the the high kick so always Troublesome for a lead player to go up against uh someone with patience who knows not to press into him because that's how you feed this monster you press buttons um so again a character that does so well in beginner and intermediate where everyone's pressing right you know this but once he goes into high level it's it's much more complicated but so what happened uh in terms of breaking a turtle they now gave him better lows much better lows um back free free is a long range uh natural now it was you know what back 33 is it was in Tekken 7 but it wasn't a natural in Tekken 7 it's a natural if a low hits the high hits boo boom and he uh missteps out of it into plus frames and you you take some more pressure right that back free free hits up from very far away and it also tracks like [ __ ] mad to both sides that is pretty [ __ ] good and then his [ __ ] man stands when he goes into [ __ ] man if he now does the four option that sweep is now really good it's a counter hit launcher but what minus 1 on block he takes like no risk anymore uh counter it launcher and very Plus on hit uh and then his slide is might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen he can now buffer his slide and this means did you couldn't do this before this means that when uh when Lee is for example doing a down three any move where he recovers crouching during the animation of the attack you can start inputting slide you know you hold down and then down forward and then down forward free the final input you press as soon as you've recovered and he does the slide and out it comes and now as the slide he doesn't remain on the ground like a homeless person anymore you know a crack cracker uh cracker by the way now this means he can actually do slide slide slide slide in an infinite Loop due to the slow SL recovering uh standing or in a Crouch and the slide being buffable so now oh wow wow wow wow wow we wa is he chinu is he breaking Turtles now because now if you're standguard he sitting slide slide slide slide plus three plus three plus three plus three and pretty chunky damage and if it counter hits knocked down into guaranteed followup um his uh is full oh oh and if we do the slide from far away we can make it safe it's minus 9 on block if it's placed from far away nice good do you know what I had happen against uh again uh what happened to me when I played against alii uh I was playing kazuya as I do most of my time he's doing a slide from far away he slides in I block it I do twin Pistons because slide is minus 15 right but he was enough far away but it it wasn't even Min -3 and he blocks my twin pistons and then I eat uh acid rain in the face nice uh stuff like that just feels like the developer pissing me in the face that's what it feels like H and then uh it also has to be mentioned that his full Crouch down for four is also buffed uh it now when it counter hits it knocks down and you get a guaranteed [ __ ] man upward for the to full Cyclone tornado that spikes the ground and then you get a guaranteed upback free out of it so that low now if it counter it it's like 50 damage oh and I didn't even mention D back 3 four uh that low tracks like crazy what plus four on on hit minus 13 on block they buffed that low as well it does decent damage uh Lee Lee is extremely good Le Lee is extremely good um yeah um oh and H you know and his combo his combos are extremely good um super good wall travel you know this damage is super high while standing two free uh go it's not super reliable but while sending two free most of the time if you do a heat burst that will bounce into Infinity juggle and his wall combo is so much stronger now that you can do a shitman cyclone uh into upack free much much higher combo uh damage um and then he he's always had amazing tools like Ford ford4 as well I could talk about Lee for a long time but very hard to Pilot very hard to Pilot but very strong very strong uh hang uh big problem with I mean Mr Mash right Mr Potato Head um Mr Mash his problem in Tekken 7 and games prior to that was that his his initiation was lacking as soon as he found himself in you know I'm going to kiss my boyfriend Jin and pose um if he found himself in that range super deadly you know this right right he start he starts mashing and it's like ah everything is super plus uh but his problem was always initiation which is he's standing quite far away in the neutral and he has to make his way in and then start the pressure here he always took a risk and the Homing wasn't that good to lock down your spacing everything else while running free Peacemaker Ford ford4 Super linear you could even see this like some of the best tangs in the world they they waited for the opponent to do something something so they could use plasma blade or whatever Back free you know super long range 16 frame uh mid launcher to whiff punish or you try and get in I have my keep out down for two or if I feel I'm going to go in we would usually do something as simple as run in and do a jab check because that would be seen as the least possible uh low risk commitment um but so that that was very interesting but so what do they do in this game oh of course we can't we can't you know we can't have weaknesses a lot of these characters anymore so we give him a dragon lash uh so what what what uh hang does now is that he has a uh from right foot forward he presses down forward threee and he does a super long range mid heat engage that's homing and plus one on block because why not why why the [ __ ] not so yeah just completely locks down spacing completely locks down all of your options and again you can't you can't check him out of it because it's too fast you can't see him oh he's doing Dragon lash and Jab him out of it like you can in Street Fighter because we have 10 frame Jabs and in Street Fighter they have four frame Jabs so then you take that on hit heat engager and now you're back to Tekken 7even warang because this is where they nerfed him uh in Tekken s when he does down three 4 or anything down free 4 is the classic you know low high and he's plus 14 and I'll take the [ __ ] mixup right you know exactly what I'm talking about in Tekken 7 he will threaten you here with a minus 10 unblock uh mid launcher back free or he would do basically his hell sweep from right foot forward uh no sorry left uh right flamingo where he's holding up his right leg you know down for free it's like a hell sweep um very devastating 50/50 so that that's sort of gone in Tekken 8 because now the the back free mid launcher it's only a heat engager now and and that hell sweep is not a natural combo when when he's not in heat but yeah what what's going to happen yeah Mr hang is going to do his Dragon lash and now he's in heat and now you got to take the mixup and now the back free launches when you heat Dash and now the hell sweep in is a uh uh is a natural and does a [ __ ] ton of damage and knocks you down uh and when he still has the you know super oppressive frames and what happens to a character with super oppressive frames when he goes into heat and you add the substantial chip damage that you get in heat while you have some of the best heat utility even when you block against Tang when he's in heat you can actually look at your health bar and just see it [ __ ] Whittle away even even on block you know he's like plus five plus six and it does good damage on block uh and then when he's in heat his heat smash is strong uh the the Flappy kicks are uh natural now uh you know his you probably have no clue what I'm talking about uh when he has his uh right flamingo stands up he can do a double kick like this like that and it's super fast it's called flap kicks because it's eight frame startup eight frames and then he can add a third hit where he does a a frosting s kick it's a high it does like that that eight frame startup if it hits you on counter hit the entire thing is guaranteed and you can't you can't duck the final hit if it's not on counter hit you can duck that final kick and you can launch him right punish him uh when he's in heat he doesn't need a counter hit for the Flappy kick sequence to be a natural and for you to get launched and so this is already good at eight frames right but this also transitions into his down back four counter hit poke a low that on counter hit would guarantee flap guarantees Flappy kicks so when he's in heat this means that D for on counter it is now a launcher so he does d for counter it look Flappy kicks and now you're launched and with his he has some of the best combos in the game I think he has the best wall travel with upward three4 into left Flamingo being you can transition into another UPF for free4 I think he has the best all travel uh I mean it's him or Raina maybe I don't know but so he does like 110 damage uh or more 120 when he does that counter it Flappy kick sequence or he does uh right foot for forward down forward four mid check or he does his neutral STS up four jumping mid check both of those counter hit into guaranteed Flappy kick for a bazillion damage um so yeah hang has a lot of [ __ ] disgusting stuff and then he's a Taw guy uh with for some reason a perfect throw game perfect throw games are like finding gold chunks of gold in this game where fro are so [ __ ] overtuned where they're homing and if they counter hit you have no break window having a perfect throw game is you know it's it's worth more in this game than it was in even in Prior games so uh hang is very strong uh hang is very strong and the heat system really benefits him and even outside of that he's got really good heat mechanics going on like utility uh so hang is very good um I don't think I missed anything about Waring no uh and now we're going to talk about Yoshi mitsu Yoshi mitsu is on crack in this game I can't remember a game where he's ever been this strong to be honest he's got so many so many great new attacks they given him legit strong frame traps and like free1 or helicopter Ford 1 plus 2 where he does this Whirlwind flying Whirlwind you know that's like what plus two on block he's got legit frame traps he's got strong counter it utility for the first time ever he's got super good combo damage flash is super [ __ ] good in this game and especially in a game where everyone is playing so [ __ ] aggressive that flash is just uh it's worth a million bucks um and He Still Remains as obnoxious as ever with uh unblockable launchers unblockable setups uh super strong Oki super strong Oki the only characters that have Oki on his level I think it's like shiau King kazuya you got really is is he could have the best Oki to be honest um is there anything else I want to say about Yoshi uh am I missing something I don't think so yeah um let's see Bri oh Brian I discussed right oh God we're running out of characters Jesus this is going pretty smoothly nice um and then we have uh Victor I'm putting him pretty well you know what this is in no particular order right um Victor Jesus uh I don't know it's noctis but dare I say easier noctis wasn't this mashy uh he doesn't in short about Victory you can say he doesn't have very good lows I think down back four is his good low it's a super it's a longer version of what he does when he presses D four tall guy infinite reach on everything this guy much like NOC this DC for is a great low but outside of that I think his lows are pretty [ __ ] but it doesn't matter because his mids and his Highs are so [ __ ] dumb um is down for to do I even have to explain this you know have you seen any attack he does where he pulls out his sword and he hits you from 15 M away and then you say I swear to God I Sid stepped that but you exploded anyway has that ever happened to you have you ever heard expulsion and then you look at your health bar and it's oh what hello why did that do combo damage um is while running two is super dumb it's a it's a counter hit launching mid with a ton of re that is plus five on block chip chips on block tracks way more than it should the counter play to this guy is Step him to the right sidewalk to the right especially when he's in heat and V he just runs in with while running to and unless you you step really precisely oh I got hit and knocked down oh great how fun um his Ford 42 is like a heihachi demon uppercut I think it even tracks to the right I think it does um expulsion is rebed um when he's in heat he will press up one plus two you've seen this he shouts expulsion and he disappears in a few frames he's gone and then he comes crashing down very quickly and it does how how much damage does it do 50 damage without the counter it if you block it it does like 205 I think it does more than 50 65 yeah it does ridiculous damage uh if you block it it does like 25 it's minus three on block I think the uh when when he's in heat it adds a fire explosion to the blade that actually gives it substantial tracking uh yeah I mean when he's in heat is just wait out the expulsion pretty much hope you hope you're not dead before he's out of heat uh thank God they remove the unbreakable throw that's something uh really obnoxious uh stance pressure and mixups uh unbelievably brain dead it's a bit like Alysa where a chip monk a chipmunk can in within a few days get get 70% of the efficiency of a character I'm exaggerating a little bit but it's like the difference in efficiency between a chipmunk playing victim and jdcr playing Victor it's not that big whereas you know if you play a character like this and a chip monk plays Lee or I'm your father plays Lee and the difference is like stratospheric stratospheric in terms of efficiency but with this character it's like well pretty much anyone can get decent efficiency playing him so it's like he very these two immediately become a tiers with most of these other characters you got to put put in a ton of work for this to become the reality right but this a uh also something to take into consideration uh Dary Rd thanks for 14 months I really appreciate it thanks I'm going to thank everyone else soon thank you uh how many characters are we at now okay so that was the top 21 so we have 11 characters left um okay so I I'm going to try and put the other characters out uh Leon isuka thank you so much for 23 months I really appreciate that and dar dar Darcy thanks for 14 months thank you um Paul isn't a this is super difficult because now I'm going to assem we're going to before I talk about these characters I think we're going to just going to finish the positioning of tier list uh but it's so difficult I'm going to start with the bottom I think the bottom [ __ ] those who you know take it they don't give nothing they just take uh let's see um uh this is hard man wait uh I'm unsure of how to proceed is anyone even de tier in this game isn't that an [Music] exaggeration give me a moment is Paul a this is so [ __ ] hard is Paul a I think Paul is better than Kia Paul is strong a I I don't know though he has drawbacks I don't think he's as strong as these characters no can I justify Paul being next to these characters I I don't think so uh Lily is Lily is stronger than Paul stronger stronger stronger stronger stronger stronger stronger stronger I mean are you joking I'm going to put Paul next next to her like don't get me wrong Paul that's crazy stuff kazio has crazy stuff in this game compared to Tekken 7 but now we're in Tekken 8 I mean are are these two on the level of of these characters I don't know I don't know why is Brian in a I I just explained before I was going to put him here if it wasn't for the taunt Tech his heat Dash taunt is busted in my opinion Paul is stronger than kazia yeah I think so which is why I put them like this um ah this is hard man this is so you know what I I don't want to sit here and just take too long it's not like my first tier list has to be perfect and does it really matter too much if I put a character here or here I I'm still saying these two are the top of this one it's just that I don't believe kazio is on par with these characters and I don't believe Paul is on par with these characters you have too many drawbacks playing these two they're still good though it's just that they're they're to they're too many drawbacks to them compared to playing any of these characters I would say yeah you know what it I I think that's the problem it so sounds so dramatic saying B that's the problem we should obviously do this it sounds too dramatic that's what we do this this is more accurate I think this is more accurate yeah um so Paul is uh I I I thought I legit thought he was going to be one of the best characters in the game until I played the game until I played the full game and I saw what everyone could do um Paul hits like a goddamn truck you know he has he has very high damage he's always been like this and if he's in heat in this game you know you have that rage Drive death Fist and you get multiple attempts at it and if it hits it glues them into the wall from far away and you've seen me do this probably it does a million damage his charge up attacks are very strong but they have clear counterplay right now everyone is is getting butt [ __ ] like you know cheeks spread by he's juggling you and then he does heat burst bound into back to one charge up how many times have you seen me do this during my streak how many times have you been hit by this what's the counter play you can hold back and then you can jab Paul in the face or you can hold back sidewalk and then get a back turn punish and Paul dies people don't know a counter play down one two charge up you can sidewalk it so there's a no novelty here with that that knowledge checks quite a bit don't get me wrong is still very strong um but his death fist is still steppable he gets a free attempt after a heat engager and his heat engagers are good uh but he's still he's still a character that needs reads and he certainly needs timing which is why I don't think you're going to see Paul a lot in competitive play I think it's going to be like Tekken s where you see him occasionally played by knee that's that's what I think you'll see you you won't see Paul a lot and I know a lot of people think when we see Paul he so cheap but it's like beginner intermediate you can curb stomp but as soon as you play high level play it's like you're playing a character that doesn't have very good poking he's got Legacy poking with not very his jab is notoriously weak in in range he doesn't have a jab string he does one two or 14 uh that's so outdated so outdated you block something that's minus 10 and you do one two you're playing Tekken one and then is down one Legacy long range mid check minus 9 on block with with poor follow-ups uh his poking is too weak for modern teken and he relies too much on a hard read like Landing a a single hit counter it be it a down forward two or a COR soal back four he's too honest in in that regard in high level Tech and it's too much effort but he has very strong punishment back one to is really good he has something as rare as a 14 frame launcher in back four which is really nice he's down for two always beats Jabs it's really good in that regard um yeah he has some interesting new moves in uh he has a perfect throw game which really helps uh his 50/50 strong with the demo man if he wants to risk it but he has to get really really close to the opponent to get that and when you're playing against some of these characters who have like very strong movement it's it's very hard to do that it's very hard to do that uh and Paul really struggles there uh but when he gets someone cornered at the wall like yeah Paul is a monster he he'll tear you to pieces you know uh but um and I like his new uh it's really good his new string full Crouch while standing one two very good uh and again his heat engagers are really good damage is really good um but uh it it just very much remains Paul and that's that's the same way we can just jump to kazia now is my main he remains kazia and this is again you know a character I thought was going to man he's going to be super good look how strong uh devil fist is which is which is by far I think his best addition the devil fist which is a I I I stopped calling I used to call it his demon paw but I stopped calling it demon paw because I thought it was unfair fair to demon pole uh the devil fist is pretty unique in that it has so much range and it tracks quite significantly to both sides so unless your opponent uh I mean it is minus8 on block but unless your opponent has he's not going to try and step it unless he knows exactly when you're going to pull the trigger because it's it's very risky um but the devil fist is strong and it it's a heat engager and when you go we use a heat engage you get plus 17 Kaza gets a free mixup you know Ford for three or Hell sweep or if you want or if you want to take less of a risk you can do down back four which is still a great low down one plus two is arguably a broken low uh it's a counter it launcher it's only minus uh 14 on block uh it's what PL plus three on a normal hit uh it's very good electric is really good it's got decent enough movement down for two is still a counter it launcher launching mid um He Still Remains kazia but but his heat is strong he does double damage on devil fist it goes to 40 damage uh devil fist into Dash is really good uh he has Heaven Gate Hell sweep still when he's in heat which is really good he gets a really good 50/50 uh kazia players don't talk enough about his uh Oki laser when he's devil d 1 plus two it's really strong and a Heaven's Gate sets up that laser in the neutral where if it if a quick stand it hits them they actually have to crouch guard that and it's still that still knowledge checks a lot of people he's his d one two is a great 13 frame Punisher it's got a lot of reach it it hits very low it works as an OTG that's an off the ground attack uh so it serves Oki purposes as well so you've probably seen me when I play kazia if uh if I get you on the wall and I do hell sweep Heaven's Gate and you come crashing down into the ground if you press any button or try and stand up after that down back one two will slam you into the ground again and if I heat dash out of that I get another wall combo um it's it's massively scaled though but it's still very strong uh and down back one two in my opinion is one of the best pressure heat engagers especially at the wall when he is devil uh and I have you cornered at the wall and I do Dam one two if it hits you I won't heat Dash I I can confirm this visually if it hits I don't heat Dash I do down for one down for two w come into into good damage or if you block it I'll just hold forward and I'll take that plus five right that's really good from a 13 frame startup with that much reach and it does significant amount of damage on block when I heat dash out of it and then I take a plus five which is a good situ ation for kazia right uh his heat smash is a little bit underwhelming in my opinion where everyone else has an sorry this is my main so I'm going to talk a bit here his heat smash is underwhelming when compared to other heat smashes his heat burst is bad straight up bad uh I don't know if you guys sto to think about this stuff but heat burst is a very very important mechanic it's just a quick way to just reset neutral get off me into plus one on Block it's very powerful they usually they have a ton of reach his is insanely bad it has no reach and people who know what they're doing when they're playing against kazia and they see you heat burst they're so quick on draw the whiff punish because it will so often whiff weak heat smash is not a good thing in Tekken eight weak heat burst is not a good thing in Tekken 8 uh and then uh generic um uh generic full Crouch um uh right kick you know generic low uh poke that that was made minus 15 across the board twin piston will usually whiff is well sending two is 16 frames um his rage art is really bad in terms of combo and hitbox it's really bad um but all in all he has a lot of great things going on like K Kazu is a very solid character you have a lot of great things especially that D went to OTG devil is strong it's a strong 50/50 devil fist is super nice electric remains a super strong tool but down one plus two is super strong it's pretty much an OP low uh devil steel pedal is so strong his biggest problem is that he's still playing Tekken 7 Kaza a stronger version but he's is still so limited and he's forced to block all the time and these guys it's just it's just such a rush down and uh I I just feel like these characters they just they don't keep up with whatever these characters are doing in the end but we're still very solid if you're a great kazia player nothing's holding you back you're going to do really well and you have great tools like Devil fist it's just that everyone else is doing slightly crazier stuff or they have an easier time we have easier mixups uh so that that's what I'm trying to say you still have great things with these guys it's just that they don't operate on this level uh they don't um and then we have uh Raven Raven again I'm putting him this low again this is one of the characters I've labbed the least he has a lot of great stuff but again when I compare to what these guys are doing I'm just like I I need to see more I just need to see more um standouts on this character is down for one that is homing yeah his down for one the universal mid Che 14 frame startup minus two on Block it's homing does decent damage and if he if he knows he's going to hit you he can do down for one4 and it's a like a clone followup that does uh what what What's the total damage on that it was pretty chunky like 40 damage and it wall Splat he still has good mid checks down back two is still uh it's his classic uh elbow that Master aen would do as well a super good mid check can do down back 2 one still you can do d 2 one into clone uh Coro for 4 is a great keep out tool while standing two is still a super good uh counter it move he still has a 14 frame launcher and while standing one so that's a full Crouch row uh his hell sweep has been buffed the full Crouch down for 3 one uh he can go into multiple mixups after that uh he has a really obnoxious slide from Shadow realm Shadow butt [ __ ] what what is it called down free four at STS um very obnoxious slide from bat STS uh he has a onef frame startup Parry as far as I know he's the only character in the game we can we which can just go go [ __ ] yourself when you land a heat engager on him heat engagers are plus 17 so let's say I'm playing Kazi against you against every single character in the game if I land a heat engager on you if I do now a hell sweep of Ford for3 mixup you have to take the mixup there's nothing you can do he has a one frame start a Parry back to four he does that and then he he he disappears and he lands to safety 5 m away one frame startup Parry if you land a heat engage on him he doesn't have to take your mixup because it also beats lows same thing if I do the hell saep it it the Parry parry's lows and frows as well if if you happen to try frow I think it's even parry's he heat smash um but uh and then he has a uh teleport back swing blow back one plus two which has a five frame startup I think five frames he just disappears um and comes back with a clone attack um uh he has very high combo damage his wall combo damage is high uh he still has a GCL in 124 uh um I guess decent enough low pokes in down three is quter cirle Ford one reactable well oh no he has a mixup there qule for one or cor for one 2 he has a okay throw game he has a one break and a one plus two break uh but I mentioned corle for four right it's a really strong keep out button um from back turned he he has disgusting 50/50s I think he has a low launcher and a mid launcher from back turned a launching SL he has a launching slide um I don't know I feel oh free free is a mid check mid high at jails uh good mid check I don't know do do you guys want to say anything else about uh Raven I think that's it to be honest it's just he has a lot of cool tools and he can knowledge check like crazy but he doesn't strike me as very strong doesn't strike me as very strong um and then we have uh cladio oh sorry I'm going to drink a little bit man when did I start this recording uh ESO thanks for tier one thank you yesterday that's what it feels like cladio is a character explained this before where in Tekken 7 it was so dramatic the level of control he had over a match and the space around him it really was he pressed back one and he had a long range super fast knockdown mid chunky damage homing minus5 it could bake a pizza it could make a baby make a it could make a baby from a man's heussy the anal you know it could do anything it could cure cancer like back when it screwed you if it caught you if it caught you Airborne it would screw you like it it or bound you know it it could do it could do anything it literally did everything but now you're in a new environment and people don't even care anything about space anymore hey we got the best side steps ever who gives a [ __ ] when these characters have attacks that just blow it's it's just an explosion around them who cares uh so he the the stuff he did well is not that dramatic anymore everyone has that space control and then some and then when that's not a novelty anymore I'm like how is he good now a good thing he has going for him is that while running two is easy now he can spam those but pretty subpar poking reliz on back three for a 13 frame mid check it's not a substitute for down for one back three free count rate is no longer a launcher Starburst down to two is no longer a launcher uh side step four is still a decent low but a bit slow to use um yeah I don't know it's like and and then his heat is strong though like uh super while running two does a basilon damage um down back one two is a great heat string it's super plus on block although you can step the second hit I'm guessing a strong player might actually do that on reaction uh if if you've seen it enough the animation uh thank you wormy please allow me a few moments to finish this and I'll I'll thank you soon um uh he has a DP DC 1 plus two which is a launcher in heat and it's safe on block when he's in heat that's really good uh but most importantly he gets a power low a fast power low and he's in heat which is what this character really needs which is a 40 damage hell sweep he also gets a projectile in 42 which is pretty interesting but I don't think all of that makes up for the fact that he's just not very dramatic anymore um yeah want outside of a heat he kind of feels toned down doesn't he and everyone else is stronger you know but the the heat is good uh so uh yeah I don't know uh audio seems painfully honest in this game painfully honest um and then we have Jack and Jack is such an interesting case study in this game like everyone's like oh my God he's God mode Honest Jack has turned into a circus freak a circus character and I'm not talking about his sexy sexy face I'm talking about the fact that they turned this pretty sluggish well not sluggish but strong fundamental character strong back dash not much of a side step relied on whiff punish his long arms clean poking and throw mixups uh and punishing you it suddenly turned into a rush down Behemoth like Rush down uh I mean yeah circus monkey character but just going from stance transition into stance transition this new gamma H uh and just you know rushing you down with mixups and and these mixup looks so overwhelming at first what that high option in heat plus 10 guarantees his 10 frame um heat smash what is this my God he's broken and then his damage was broken like um he used to do back one two into blue spark Megaton upper into what 150 damage like he can he can still get good damage but it relies on getting a pretty obscene loan sure like down one plus two or charge for for two or you know down for two into charge up but you're only going to do that if if you can confirm the down for two and it's not very often you get to do that that's on whiff punish um so uh uh and frows are very strong in this game he's got a launching throw that's great but the downsides is that eventually people would realize that gamma Hall how is a lot of fake pressure you can option select it really hard by doing a Crouch job uh and then he has to commit to a [ __ ] option like gamma Hal 34 which is his magnetic field or that energy field uh so suddenly that pressure sort of came crumbling down and then at first I you know he he used to have uh a safe on block low in full Crouch down one that's gone now he commits to a [ __ ] string uh Ford Ford one doesn't knock down anymore into guaranteed blue spark that's not very good um uh God what what what are more problems for Jack um yeah I don't know there's there just a lot of things not working out in his favor here 10 frame heat smash is strong though that's really [ __ ] strong and completely unique um but just see if you learn the matchup if you learn the new gimmicks he has He Still Remains pretty honest it seems uh yeah gahal exactly there are no low options yeah he has decent with punishment game as he always has yeah strong back dash you withi down for two um but uh yeah uh not that strong uh Steve I feel if is again this I haven't played that much Steve but uh I don't know it just feels like trash in this game he just feels like trash it's like Steve wants to be up close and rush you down right uh but do you want to stand close to any of these characters or do do you want to stand close to King who has a 10 frame giant swing you can't break that's homing oh I have a back one it's 13 frames you think King gives a [ __ ] about you or your miserable [ __ ] loser existence he's he free frames faster than you it doesn't give a [ __ ] it's like he he lost a lot to Magic Force but now any anyone doing a fro they they compete with you with fros they compete with your startups now and the fro are homing the fro are homing that back one isn't as cool anymore and he doesn't do enough damage is it just me or the back one combos it it barely does [ __ ] damage and they nerfed his wall combo he had one of the best wall Combos and now the wall combo it doesn't even do that much damage does it do 20 damage and and then yeah it it did [ __ ] hurt a lot that he lost his his 50/50 utility in D 32 knocking people down into a guaranteed Albatross low low two followup into Oki now he does that into lionart and the opponent has really strong counterplay against lionart with a power crush or um well power crush is basically the counterplay and now now you do have the new counterplay ATT attack that was found with a manual peekaboo transition from uh lionart but that's still tricky to do right that's still tricky to do and I'm also wondering what happens when a strong player knows you're going to probably do the peekabo tech what's going to happen then I'm not entirely sure that's a super good situation for Steve I um but it just seems to be a lack of damage and honestly losing down for two counter hit is pretty [ __ ] sucky that's not a launcher anymore you know that's not good um and honestly all the new stuff he he got felt pretty underwhelming um I mean what is is heat oh I can do a quick ducking in all I see the good Steve players do is they try and do a duck in throw mixup they duck in into the clinch and they try to get the one mixup or the two mixup but it's still a 50/50 where your opponent can break it so it's like and even when you land that mixup you're looking at like 50ish damage and you know what's another problem for Steve uh his [ __ ] punishment but even outside of the [ __ ] punishment like he he can't block anything and launch you anymore right standing but another [ __ ] Pro problem for him is the system changes like uh you could always rely on a low Parry to get some damage you know when blocking a low with Steve or like you know his his full Crouch launcher is while stunning launchers is what 18 or is it 17 so if you did a low that's minus 16 it could still at least low par you and get pretty huge damage but low pares don't do damage anymore it was 18 [ __ ] that's bad so uh no back two was is 17 thank you I remember now so now you like with that low Parry nerfed that's a that's a Nerf to Steve um yeah I gotta say in this environment man it's like it's weird because if you we talking about this character a few months ago I thought he was going to be so good oh he has back one everyone else has had that removed but um he just and it just seems like he doesn't do damage um but again you have to understand that's his voice is the worst part but you got to understand that like a great player is still going to [ __ ] you with all of these characters it doesn't matter like right rank Chu can still beat everyone with panda you get that right but is Panda as good as Devil Jin [ __ ] no no a player can compensate so much and Steve in the right hands is still going to be a force to be reckoned with it's just that these characters have it so much easier so much easier uh zafina has received a ton of Nerfs is not at all Tekken 7 zafina she doesn't have broken movement anymore it's still solid but it's not broken it's nowhere near the movement she had in savan um she's uh lost a ton of crucial counit launchers um Ford for3 is no longer a counit launcher uh scarecrow 1 plus 2 is no longer a coun launcher uh 1 plus 244 doesn't uh Auto bound or bound on the last hit as it does in uh Tekken 7 that hurts her quite a bit in my opinion um her crucial low infinite Infinity reach uh back one plus two is locked behind scarecrow you have to go into scarecrow to use that low problem um and then I I I just don't see that much significant uh Buffs on her either um I mean her her wild running free into scarecrow one two right is a decent enough option but when it turns out all of her Azazel stuff damages her she takes damage when she uses the Azazel claw it's Hur it hurts her soul but she gets none of a benefits this [ __ ] gets when she hurts herself when she goes emo she gets big benefits she slashes her wrists and she gets [ __ ] nothing that's what that's what it feels like with those two um uh yeah she cannot heal she can heal yeah uh she has an estos she has [ __ ] all yeah soul level one no estos um yeah I don't know what are significant Buffs on zafina in this game I just feel like I just feel like you got you got it's a bit like Leroy where you got hit on on the kneecaps what are the Buffs her heat smashes fast oh 12 frames right yeah I don't know it just seems like a weaker character um yeah and then we have ASA uh super brain dead super [ __ ] chipmunk brain dead um but on paper weak just weak on paper so if you want to play a chipmunk character that has tits well I mean if you don't mind metal tits I would go for this one I would go I mean most of you have ai girlfriends anyway I I would go for this one like if you want the chip chipmunk with tits uh that's the one go pink hair um this is a chipm character that that is weak but she is very easy can so easily beat someone who's better than her in terms of Tekken skill due due to how easy it is but if if you're looking to win on E tournament you will never play ASA you will never [ __ ] play ASA because those players are not going to play into your your dirty tricks and shenanigans and now everything you have is just pretty underwhelming uh we did buffer 50/50 a bit and but down one plus 2 has more Shadow reach now but it's still has not nowhere close to enough reach and I think you still can Sid step it pretty nicely um and then they nerfed her side step two they made it-3 it was minus 9 that's a big Nerf d one two they made both options more unsafe um that's a big Nerf um they no you no longer have a perfect electric effect from while standing one plus two you don't get a free for two into a bazillion damage that's a [ __ ] big Nerf um her heat seems pretty strong though she gets a lot of beefed up attacks like Ford Ford 1 plus two is now you know launer that's what is it plus un block like plus two or something um and she can power herself up with an install to get significantly more she damage is not a problem it's just that your tools are just not that good if people don't play into your play style breaking a guard I mean these two are one and the same I [ __ ] you not they both do the same thing pretty much what what's some alterations of course but they're pretty much the same archetype it's just that in this game he's just significantly better he has the tools to break a guard and vent some she doesn't really but again in this game like everyone is solid like again these characters it doesn't matter if it says be here you're going to lose to these characters again I as I tried to tell you at the start this is a balanced game this this is not this is a balanced game this is not that's the reality of Tekken 8 and it was the reality of Tekken s um so Kuma is better van Panda if you're confused as to why we're not uh close to each other it's because he gets an electric and the electric is dumb as [ __ ] she doesn't get the electric and I think he has a better heat smash as well that's it that's why he's higher uh the electric is plus five on Block it's a special mid means you can block it crouching or standing but it's still super dumb like it there's no execution he just presses a button and he can he can Loop it like endlessly as long as he has heat and it's like plus five plus five plus five plus five you can't duck it it's it's very frustrating has super [ __ ] high damage the most annoying matchup in the game in my opinion no one knows the matchup hit boxes are broken we're janky nothing works uh you do a wall com with doesn't work sometimes it works sometimes you end up on the other end uh rule breaking Shenanigans jump super high as a demon flip you know comes down your your electric whiffs and he comes down and slaps you in the face uh his legs are further back than any other character so if you want to do a low on him you you need to stand like this because the legs are so far back in his Idol stance no other character does that it's it's just so [ __ ] obnoxious it's a you see the face I mean you know all these funny goofy YouTubers who do funny montages who do they all play why do you think they do that because you go and funny things happen and the opponent gets super [ __ ] annoyed and it's it's just a clown it's a [ __ ] clown show the insufferable matchup but is it a strong character no on paper poor frames sluggish slow huge hitbox so when these guys know what combos do work on you you you take massive amounts of additional damage massive amounts of additional damage um so uh yeah that's why he's here and say same thing applies to to Panda um but but again has less Heat utility Kum min's a superior bear due to bear barric bear rric uh so the last character I'm I'm going to talk about is Leroy uh Leroy is an interesting case because I think he enjoys a decent enough win loss ratio uh but he's super [ __ ] [ __ ] on paper and the reason he enjoys a decent enough win loss ratio uh for example these two are at the bottom of win loss ratio overall she get dumpstered harder than any other character in the game and you're like why she's a she's so strong right very difficult to Pilot very complicated character he has the worst win loss ratio when you are in high ranks and that's because when a pilot is strong enough she has super overwhelming pressure when a pilot is strong enough he never have has super overwhelming pressure unless he's already vortexing you this guy is forced to block all day long in high ranks and it's very hard to do in this game very hard to do so that's why he loses the most in high ranks um but that doesn't stop a character like Leroy from doing better than those two even though he's at the bottom of a tier list why is this it's because he's easy to Pilot he's an easy character and he's very overwhelming in his offense with his stances and his strings with buil in pares everywhere if people don't know of a matchup they get steamrolled a lot of people are still very unfamiliar with the match up uh because in a game like Tekken you're it's which is three decades now 30 years it's so [ __ ] Legacy that you're still considered a newcomer when when you are already five years old he dropped in 2019 if my memory serves me 2019 he's still seen as fresh newcomer it's also because it's so overwhelming this game there's so many characters there's so many moves people are still pretty unfamiliar with this character so a lot of people just Auto lose and is also helped by the fact that his bottom free popularity you never see him so you don't really get the time to adjust to a matchup but when you do he's pretty [ __ ] [ __ ] he got H I think it was by the end of Tekken 7 he had ACC accumulated over four seasons he accum Kum accumulated a total of 100 Nerfs in total I think fak r at a total of 70 I think lady I think Leia matched that at 70 but but he accumulated over the span of those years 100 individual neres and it doesn't end in Tekken 8 when someone like this doesn't get nerfed the developers say he had unintended high damage on back 34 he had unintended high damage on down one too hello but why can't he cancel his Jaguar Sprint he should be able he shouldn't have to commit yeah he runs that to 147 kg of pure testosterone with an unbreakable RKO with armor but he shouldn't have to commit he should be able to cancel the [Music] Jaguar to be honest I just don't know I I give up on trying to understand the developers yeah uh but Leroy had unintendedly high damage so that was nerfed uh he keeps rolling Nerfs so he's at 110 Nerfs now probably uh probably Guinness World Record here in in nerfing uh but uh and and then for Tekken 8 and this you did not see in patch notes uh but I labbed him and a lot of the tools that were really good actually in uh in Tekken 7 like his homing hell sweep his back four homing uh his um his back 1 plus 2 12 frame counter it mid is down for one all of those crucial tools were nerfed into the [ __ ] ground and down back four which is his really good initiation I I'm not going to get I don't I'm not going to in go into detail on all of that on how all of those were nerfed but they were all nerfed into the ground um and then I feel that what he got outside of that is some nice novelty stuff like a d three a that is safe on block he can Parry uh to catch you doing a while standing for for example but if you wait out the Parry you launch him so yeah on paper right um down three 2 remains a bit obnoxious don't get me wrong I'm I'm not saying he's completely useless yeah you have to understand what I said before like all of these guys can compete you know but it's just that he just con compared to what even these guys are doing I feel like you're at a setback playing Leroy and then if you play against these guys it's it's a bit unfair yeah but again I I have to say that these guys are unfair compared to all of these guys um but yeah Leroy um I I don't see his heat being very strong either he seems to rely on doing a lot of machine gun punches itman style into high chip damage but uh doesn't seem that good to me uh and that's why Leroy is down there and uh yeah that's going to conclude this list I gotta say I'm pretty happy with this recording I think I actually gave everyone some some comments and it was pretty good uh so I'm kind of happy with this one uh and then in terms of the placings I'm I'm ha I'm really happy with this list could you probably potentially critique some of these and maybe swap them around a little little bit you probably could but if you look at this list I'm pretty certain this represents it's a good uh pretty accurate uh view of where things are right now I think um but so yeah I hope you enjoyed uh this uh tier list and I hope you all have a great day take care thank you thank

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