Tekken 8 Character Difficulty Tierlist

so okay I'm going to try and do a difficulty tier list here very improvised uh it's going to sound a little bit different uh I posted a few weeks ago I believe on YouTube a list I've made of characters I liked and disliked for those of you this video is going to be weird for those of you who followed my content for a long time because you know I certain characters I'm very quick to dismiss them uh like Asuka saying she's brain dead easy and stuff but something weird happened this weekend where was labbing like a madman on and off the entire weekend and I just re-evaluated pretty much my feelings on every single goddamn character in the game and I think it's it's important to not be too stubborn and stuck in old ways we learn as we go and I've always been very educated on this game uh but I have to say this was one enlightening weekend and I feel like I see the game in a different light now maybe in a dumber light we'll see but uh so what you will see today is my new thoughts and again the tier list I posted um what two weeks ago as well is a little bit outdated already it's actually a really good source of information on the characters if you want to hear about their strengths and weaknesses uh if you it has chapters so if you're wondering about the strength of any of these characters it's it's still a very good resource it's just that quite a few other characters I would rank them differently wor I to make a tier list today but know that as soon as Eddie Gordo drops I'll be labbing him for a while say a week or something and then I'll do a new tier list where I will share my updated thoughts and talk a little bit about Eddie's strength level if I feel confident enough that something can be said about him after a week but uh but we'll see what I do uh so this is a difficulty tier list uh most people associate difficulty with the most superficial component of it which is mechanical skill they say oh my God that character requires very high execution that makes him super difficult it's not that simple execution is one part of a cake this character has no execution this High has extreme execution but that's not the in my opinion what makes a character difficult in this game difficulty comes from game plan and executing that g uh game plan correctly and um uh for example like um hang Victor's game plan it how difficult is that one compared to kazia and then you you know some people will say oh kazia has only five attacks to worry about that's an easy game plan and that might sound easy but in this game it's actually nice to have mental stack to have a huge move list because that's a 100 attacks your opponent has to worry about right if you only have five attacks to throw towards your opponent that can be a problem for you and that you become predictable so now you need to be unpredictable with a predictable character so we become unpredictable with timing instead our timing right that we we apply uh and then um so game plan is more important to me in determining determining difficulty than execution although execution is a component uh and then um it's more difficult to play a popular character for example in Tekken I'm sure you've encountered this phenomenon and that more people know your matchup they kind of know what to expect the most obvious example of this is when you do a snake edge with Brian even in green ranks it gets blocked because everyone knows that animation with zafina your name can be arson Ash or Atif but and you do a snake Edge on yon ding who has inhuman reaction speed and he eats the the 29 frame startup snake Edge or is it 27 her s Edge still they should not eat it but character unfamiliarity is a factor in this game character usage um and this is also something I've been very stubborn about I say something like oh Kuma is easy to play because no one knows the matchup uh and this is fascinating I always almost need my pen and paper uh let's see uh can we remove all of this [ __ ] I I never used this stuff but uh this is very interesting so be bear with me um I've always in a in a very stubborn way said Kuma is easy because no one plays the character but this this is the double edged sword what happens here is that we can show like this these are the ranks we'll do a pyramid wait we could do a a huge pyramid below here this would be beginner ranks and this this one is massive it stretches beyond the the monitor here massive amount of players and here we have intermediate but the intermed mediate chunk of players which stretches all the way up to like fuin but you have to understand that this one is really it's like it's endless almost because beginners we have a ton of them and then we have a minority that make it to intermediate this is high level this is a very small section of a player base and these are a pro players it's it's a tiny tiny minority it's pretty much zero .01% I [ __ ] you not uh even intermediate is like it's like very small uh but with with a character like Kuma I always like to say that oh it's a it's a free ride playing Kuma everyone knows the matchup and and that is true that is true they make it you'll see a lot of kumas zfas and high level you you'll see a lot of ravens they make it through these ranks this character makes it over here makes it over over here with pretty low amounts of fundamental skill but so you can see it as free rank points for them but the double-edged sword is that you will lose so hard to the really devoted players who know that match up because you're these players are so and this is something I of something I've observed lately these players are so comfortable doing their basic flow charts that everyone Falls for but they never evolve beyond that all of these kumas they've made it to high ranks they have a low degree of fundamental skill they all play the same they all do the same launch punishable flow sharts but the thing is your character is so rare and no one knows for counterplay but you you you get this disease of brain rot where you just autopilot flowchart because everyone loses to it but then when you encounter the person here or here that has taken the time to lab your character oh my [ __ ] God you get so violated so [ __ ] violated you have no [ __ ] chance at all because once that this person knows theuma match up they know exactly what you're going to do even before you do it they've seen the a pilot Kuma before and they just [ __ ] dismantle you um so I just wanted to say that that that statement I usually make like all free high ranks with these characters the unknowns it's it's a double-edged sword because it truly bites you in the ass uh in theand as well um so this is a really long start up but this anyway I've decided it's going to be a really long video because I'm even going to in game show show you guys some of the stuff I'm talking about uh let's see Clearo images and I'm sure some really nice Chad on YouTube is going to create chapters on this video please do please do uh I guess we can just take them in order and I have a game here in the background just to show you some of the stuff uh I'm going to start I guess yeah we'll take them in order so we'll start with with Leroy uh the F Leroy where where am I going to place Leroy um he this is a character that's designed to be easy and and again uh also something very important to stress is that what are we talking about exactly here like difficult in in what circumstance 99.99% of Tekken matches are played online they're played in a casual ual well it's never casual really it's always hyper competitive if you've played ranked I hear people plug even in quick matches so it's competitive right but so what are we talking about are we talking about how difficult is for character to play at Evo in the Evo top eight because that's very different from saying how difficult is it to play Paul in green ranks right so what I'm going to do is I'm going to try and do a middle of of the road like uh I'm we're going to take both uh both factors into account what is it like playing Leroy against yond Ding and what is it like playing Leroy in green ranks We're we're going to try and get to an average uh but Leroy in my opinion he is certainly designed to be easy uh easy execution bombard your opponent with uh very aggressive offense be it with with strings with uh 50/50s he has a horang style down for 32 he he really has all the options needed to break your the opponent's guard he just doesn't have a throw game which really hurts in this game it really does considering how strong frows are right now so a weak fro game hurts him a little bit here um but uh it's like if you want to play him at Evo it's it's going to be really difficult like he he is uh he's very weak um let's see if I can show you some Leroy here get ready uh everything that like Leroy has been on a downwards trajectory uh ever since Tekken Saban H he came out when he initially came out he was beyond broken he was a boss character and then over the years it took 100 individual Nerfs and Tekken 8 is no exception they even went further and nerfed yet again many of his key tools like his back four has less reach it kind of looks pathetic now this used to have infinite reach and it just has wor worse frames across the board plus four less damage uh minus 9 uh back one plus two I don't want this to turn into a tier list by the way but they they just nerfed all of his good stuff and your homing hell sweep is now now locked behind uh uh behind stats locked behind STS uh but he he still is quite an easy character in that you you you bombard with offensive stuff uh God did they did they change the input of his string for 324 um but anyway any character who has an orbital and a down for 32 to go into momentum in my opinion can't be called a different difficult character to play and he has many different strings to test the opponent guard 12 frame counter hit pretty good initiation in D back four uh you got a lot of stuff to play around with here uh and you know most people are just going to succumb to that uh and designed to be very easy but I'm going to put him in Easy due to the difficulty of overcoming just how weak he is um I would say so let's move on to Jack uh Jack to me is also designed to be easyish I'm temp to put him in intermediate uh considering how much he revolves around movement and with punishing I might put him in intermediate uh Jack my darling get ready for the next battle uh Jack pretty much revolves around having a strong back dash and a very strong sense of spacing so you couple strong movement with sense of spacing and as soon as you're opponent you're just basically creating a whiff whiff punish opportunity opponent whiffs and you can if if you're very on point you can get massive damage doesn't have much of a side step he can side step but it's very weak he's a very big boy so he plays mostly around a 2d Tekken like this and then you have uh pretty decent poking to go at your opponent your 10 frame counter it is really nice you have a 10 frame heat Smash and then basically what you do in this game is you do gamma H Hal mixups this stuff you you've seen this a thousand times haven't you this stuff and uh bad stuff is very easy to uh to use because uh Jack is also pretty rare now so a lot of people fall for this uh stance pressure but a lot of this pressure is uh fake but you have very strong option select uh with the dick Jabs uh Etc uh um so in the end I think he's going to be a tough character to play in high level it's basically going to be Anakin uh maybe you'll see a couple of more players but it's going to be very few and far between and when you play ranked it's going to be very few and far between there are so many characters here who who do this type of play but do it so much better um but the strength of the down for two is there still the strength of the whiff punish some decent poking but he remains a pretty clunky boy and you need a strong sense of spacing to do well I think uh and uh yeah I I think he's going to have a tougher time in general than than Leroy uh and then now we are at Steve uh Steve is arguably the hardest character in the game uh if it's not him I'm going to probably soon say that it's Brian um see where is stefanovic get ready for the next battle uh Steve is called the counter hit Paragon and Mr bow Talk's face and only one of those is true now he's not the counter hit Paragon we have characters who have better counter hitting tools like for example King with with his throw game down for 21 uh Ford for neutral 2 um it's it's very hard uh hitting a back one uh consistently and having better timing than your opponent he used to get really reward for this but in this game he doesn't you'll note Fe that the back one itself does like no [ __ ] damage uh oh God God I'm a I'm a rebot do a very easy combo uh apparently I can do a combo uh whatever they they Nerf the damage of a wall combo as well uh Steve has damage problems Steve does no damage even at high level when you score of a down for two all you get is this that's just unacceptable uh uh difficulty of this character comes from you get very little damage reward uh you you don't have a 50/50 in a game where you really want a 50/50 especially when you land a heat engager like this you want to threaten a big mixup Steve Can't threaten a big mixup Steve never is a threat in this game in my opinion unless he's much much better than you and he just out times you all the [ __ ] time um you you have duck in mixup in heat can do throw here but again these are break it's a breakable 50/50 not threatening enough um yeah la la of 50 50/50 utility removed his guard break which is a huge problem uh lack of damage in general uh down for two counter it gone um Steve is as honest as he was in can savan but just with less utility Lion Heart Is beaten by power Crush it's straight up beaten by power crush and your way around this as a Steve main is doing this cancel oh God I practice this for a while can I do it once there you go It's Tricky this is the peekaboo Council that allows you actually to to block from Lion Heart where very hard to do um so Steve is gigantic amounts of effort for very little utility and just beat beating your opponent in very straight up clean I have better timing than you I'm simply outplaying you at Tech that's all I'm doing uh and pretty demanding execution on top of that Steve could be the hardest character to play in this game and I can't stress enough how in this game with it with its aggression and the heat system you really want powerful mixups once you've landed your heat engager and I think Steve is pretty lackluster in this regard uh and now we are going to go Panda and [Music] Kuma uh and I'm going to have to put them in very easy I think um but again it's a tough character it's just designed to be very very easy you know what I'm I'm going to put them in very easy yeah uh in 99.99% of matchups these characters we talked about this before due to how unpopular and uncommon they are and just how much they change the game with their very weird hit boxes I'm not going to demonstrate this in game but uh uh the bare leg hit box is IS F back than their upper body this is the only character that has this type of hurt box where it's very hard to land lows on them the head is gigantic but has a tiny hit box like a p uh PP this means that when you're doing specific combos things will drop that don't drop on any other character it is it's very weird and hard to explain uh and then insane amounts of evasion very weird attacks in general very troll most people just lose to these characters um and you also have uh a lot of like straight up scumbaggery now like straight up scumbaggery with these characters and granted it has to be said that if you're going to Evo this is this is a very weak character and as I said before those guys are going to know the matchup and they're going to blow you up but that honestly doesn't stop Kuma from having some ridiculous tools that are so abusable on again pretty much every single player you're going to encounter for example here that's guaranteed did you know that but that's guaranteed and this throw is unbreakable unbreakable Thro that I think that's 63 damage just I hope you're making notes like take Kuma to ranked and just abuse the [ __ ] out of this uh and then we have um he has the strongest wall combo in the game again so abusable uh let's see we go to wall but slam wait how how do I do the Bound Again back three four oh wait wait wait that's not the combo my apologies I've only done this once before uh let's see back free four down forward one two one plus two uh I mistimed it you have to delay a little bit there that's the best wall combo in the game uh what what you just saw everything is guaranteed all of that is guaranteed will you shut up I'm sorry I'm showing the secrets here and this is by the way starting from this you can only imagine what the damage output is like when Kuma launches you from mid mid screen here and does a huge combo takes you to the wall and finishes with that combo it's it's absolutely absurd uh and uh I I don't know of there's the low I mean you see that that and no one knows this and this is safe on block by the way you you don't know that either this this this is safe on block so what theuma will do is either you eat that that or you actually block it and when you block it he immediately does this because you think well I should be able to punish right no no no and then you eat this power Crush into heat engager all the kumas do this be do you know why they all do these dumb flow charts because y all [ __ ] eat them and it's so easy your life is so easy um but so yeah that that is why I'm going to put them in very easy although it has to be said if you want to win with these characters at Evo you're going to have to be a genius like rangu but that's not enough to say that they're anywhere close to up here I would say and so the next character I'm going to talk about is Devil Jin uh Devil Jin is uh very difficult um he's very difficult uh let let's see quick select ready for the next battle uh we can just say straight away but this is his defining attack in this game everything revolves around Heat and the threat of a psycho Crusher that is devil gen in this game uh outside of heat you have things to make your life easier especially in beginner and intermediate ranks like the samsara note that the samsara has been nerfed in this game now no matter what on block he will come down like this at minus 25 this is a gigantic Nerf to Samar in high level play because in high level play it was a good mixup being able to stay in the air so this move is way [ __ ] worse now but again it's still still going to be your best friend it's your ex XDP and beginner and intermediate but for high level this move is much worse his Parry is still nice to have he has a complete throw game which is very nice to have especially in a game where frows are so strong but uh yeah make no mistake this is a very tough character to play you need to find you you have weak poking very bad poking and then now you have to find your opening with up for four demon PA both of these loose to side steps uh in terms of lows you'll be doing this uh your heal sweep is strong not as strong as kaz's though um 45 damage into reset the neutral uh this is very gimmicky I know you hate me right now you think this is op but a strong player will know the timing and will step right as soon as you see that pink effect on his arm bad P effect you can you can step right and he you can kill him um yeah and he has he has all kinds of like evasive Shenanigans but they're all very punishable uh but but but yeah once he does go into heat now he gets to apply his 50/50 right and he gets to do this and it's all under the threat of the psycho Crusher right uh but uh yeah it's it's difficult it's not easy but in my opinion it's it's a hard character to discuss because everything revolves around the threet of a psycher that's going to allow me neutral control to go up on you and 50/50 you but again this option is not that strong in my opinion it's a little bit slow I'm a startup it doesn't lead to enough damage and again the house sweep if you if you want to be real about the health sweep it's not all that kazia has a better health sweep so in my opinion uh very difficult character to play you have to be very very smart with how how you use your your heat because it's all going to come down to that to to heat um the house sweep is not that bad yeah are you agreeing with me or disagreeing I'm just saying his house sweep is not as good as people think it is uh very difficult character extremely execution demanding he could be the highest ex execution in the game um just because you always want to be able to threaten with Wu Wu while stunning to if you can't do that you'll never be uh as as good as you can be as a devil gy player so very high execution demands uh very difficult uh yeah very difficult character uh Lars is very easy and that's how he's designed he's just designed to constantly threaten you with uh Rush down and stance Mi UPS that's basically Lars uh let's see get ready for the next battle uh you know what I can't stand listening to this music all [ __ ] day I'm going to switch a little bit uh what song did I put on this one no let's go to Coliseum get ready for the next battle so Lars has an orbital and for easy 50/50 this is reactable but you can do this you you can also do an unreactable Health sweep you can out count that into stance pressure as well which is really nice you can do what is known as Anga banga with Lars uh with stuff like this you can you can demon flip banga now they improve this demon flip so he jumps like twice as high now and you can do really dumb [ __ ] for some reason this is actually homing you can't sidewalk this to either direction you have a banga expdp uh you have have he used to be very weak to people just sidewalking over and over you can't do this anymore due to his Dragon lash which is this attack this is homing and it's plus un block so he goes in and he it does a mixup on you typically like something like this uh you can pressure with this sorts of stuff and to mix up you'll do stuff like this you'll do uh oh sorry oh wait oh right we changed the input sorry this is d one plus it'll do stuff like this uh and it can seem extremely overwhelming but a lot of this is like you know fake pressure in that you can option select it with very specific movement albeit very hard to do but the defensive measures are there most of this is beaten by by like step right duck step left duck but again now we're talking about very competent high level players most of you are going to get absolutely spit roasted throat [ __ ] by large players just spamming this [ __ ] because it's so easy to do it's so overwhelming but it it's you're in this situation where a chip monk can do it but again heavily countered by a very strong player but those players are so few and far between and again there's no execution throw everything out um for all intents and purposes Lars is designed to be very easy and he remains very easy in this game a k Ley thanks for the prime and zero snap thanks for a tier one I really appreciate it uh now we are going to discuss Leo and Leo I'm going to put in the easy category not as chip monkey as the others but still a character that is designed to be easy uh leoon is been how do you say I'm a little boy in German I don't know so Leo as a very basic neutral approach basic classic mixups I have a homing house sweep I have a homing down for three you can't do anything about this mixup except for back dash altimate or or you guess because both of these options are homing that is pretty nice to have right you don't have to worry about like lateral movement movement in depth super strong demon pull covers the entire screen down for two three is a broken low minus 12 on Block it's a launcher uh the neutral control that comes for cor from cor C 4 21 is astronomical this is a uh this is a safe launcher that's extremely evasive B acts like a pseudo aop uh very nice very strong down two we we get some nice frames right down one is um minus two on block mid coun with there are a ton of tools we could go over but are that are very strong but Leo still plays pretty basic Tekken with you easy to do it's not very easy because it's not as super spammable as everything that's down here but it's still easy and designed to be easy uh Paul oh God I'm torn on Paul because Paul in if you play him in high level he's here but in any other level of play I mean you saw my win streak with the character like if if you play against beginner and intermediates like if you are good and you know what you're doing like he Jesus Christ he collects uh skulls and bodies can I show a little bit of Paul um and we can talk about the two perspectives there are on the character like how much he changes uh going from beginner intermediate to to high level how much it just changes uh Paul lives rentree in your head if you play like beginner inter even in intermediate not only beginner beginner intermediate players can't stop pressing buttons I don't know if you've played ranked lately but even up until like fujin like people granted fujin players have very strong flow charts and aggression but people can't stop pressing and Paul's like Paul's like this because when Paul players do this and it's a free launcher and Paul still stays very safe recovers very quickly on with and it's minus E on block very nice or Paul does his powerful backing blow or Paul does this or Paul does a safe on block power Crush um anytime you press into Paul Paul loves it and in beginner and intermediate no one punishes death fist even with - 17 no one pun everyone everyone actually thinks death fist is safe Paul really likes this in beginner and intermediate people don't use lateral movement enough Paul really loves this because then Paul does this and then Paul gets heat and then Paul does this and Paul says oh that's it I guess I just won Paul loves it oh uh beginner and intermediate you don't have throw rakes oh Paul loves this Paul really likes this oh you go Paul Airlines Paul loves this um Paul's problem start oh and people don't know how to deal with this Paul loves it everyone gets countered by this Paul loves it uh people don't know how to break ultimate oh God I'm stupid people don't know how to deal with ultimate punishment oh Paul loves this so 60 damage into wake up Paul loves it oh but Paul loves this uh honestly it doesn't add because people don't know how to deal with this either Paul loves this everyone think thinks that's guaranteed yeah no wonder I got a 990 win streak on this character but the thing is you're probably wondering you hear all of this and you're like but how come I don't see him in Pro Play Why is it only me who sometimes insists on playing pole in Pro play why is no one else playing pole he seems so abusable well let me tell you when you keep your distance to pole and again now I'm talking about I am playing Paul against a highly competent player now all I threaten with is this or this you'll see NE use this mixup because he does not bother with deist deist loses to side step and deist loses on blob you get killed for it so now he uses this or this none of this is particularly threatening unless Paul again ni is one of the most gifted players in the world when it comes to counter timing so he places this well and he gets this but again this is a strong low but it's not that threatening in the end and people will throw break and Paul has no easy neutral option to completely dominate the neutral because all of these moves have their weaknesses be it's stepping or they're just not downright spammable and he has no dumb strings so Paul relies on out timing you I have strong stronger timing you and I score of a counter hit that's a he just he's a single hit character basically and in Pro play people are not going to mindlessly run into you and eat this you hope they do but they don't and they break your throw and now what you have to try and break your opponent's guard is trying to down for one back wayway pressure hope they they counter it into a throw or you're going to do the hail marry at demo man but the problem with Demo Man is that it loses to a back dash now now it it it won't connect right you'll get this and now Paul dies um but Paul is saved by his wall pressure which is very strong now you can't back away and also the fact that his heat is very strong like that death is is very threatening and he has the best one of the best heat Smashes in the game in my opinion in in this generous clean hit range uh minus 12 on block low heat SP this is very nice very good to have but it it doesn't change the fact that Paul if someone is gifted enough defensively Paul really [ __ ] struggles because one back dash away and now the threet of the fro are gone the threet of demo man is gone and you rely on single hit counter hits to get the job done um it's it's very tough but it's a difficult one because again you're going to dominate everyone but but even when you play like a beginner intermediate it's not completely brainless it it is pretty tough so I'm going to put Paul in very intermediate I think that's a very correct assessment of a character uh Raven uh Raven let's see I'm just going to have some coffee Raven is an interesting one Raven is an interesting one I don't think Raven in any circumstance can be called easy get ready for the next battle uh Raven is a little bit of a specialist character there's quite a few things you have to understand he just doesn't play like any other character in the game he has a onef frame startup Parry again that doesn't deal any damage but it's still a one frame startup Parry he's the only character in the game I believe correct me if I'm wrong that can completely negate the plus 17 situation of a heat engager by doing his parry and now you think but but do a low then this parries lows and it parries fro as well everything is parried by this uh so again very unique very specialist uh plays a very strong keepy SP game with Coro forward four plays a very strong mixup game with with d one two or no sorry d 2 one you can do a uh clone here and you can do d d two into back turn pressure which is again very specific uh in its mixups very interesting utility right uh he has a full Crouch hous where you can do uh TP mixup here we can tell we can jump afterwards to reset the situation I jump and I land into a Crouch to try and reset the situation on you again quite specific in heat we have a projectile we have really nice counter it utility in while standing two which is a a super strong counter it we have pretty limited poking over a very interesting down for one which is homing I think this is the only fully homing DP one in the game minus two on block has a has a clone followup clone followup um it's like you you can't say he's Ultra difficult because you're you're playing a bottom free popularity character and you you're so specialized in what you do and no one knows the matchup but people just fall for this [ __ ] this is a five frame startup back swing blow where he literally disappears and like five Fram and then he comes crashing back and it is launch punishable unblock technically it's just that no one's going to launch you for it because no one knows the match but there is still effort that goes into this character it's undeniable and the the knowledge is also very specific in what you do so I'm just going to put him in intermediate for now um I think and now we are at shahen uh Shaheen is going to have to go into easy for me um I guess he he's not easy in that he's honest you have like no [ __ ] no [ __ ] with the character he he plays very clean basic Tekken uh with the opponent um but the tools you have are really good like you you play around the slide you have a really good down for two good reach for for keep out this always makes your character easier when you you have a safe unlock minus 7 unlock down for two like this you have a very generous hop kick very generous hopkick one of the most generous hop kicks and a bit evasive you have a you have an orbital which always makes your life easier uh down for one check one standing one strong poke it's like don't get me wrong there's nothing super easy about this character but he he has a very straightforward approach um very straightforward approach uh I don't think under any circumstance this character can be labeled as difficult um but uh and again no execution but at the same time being super honest can make your life difficult in Tekken but then you can just Spam you know if you want to orbital hop kick uh I think he's designed to be easy he's not very easy but I would say he's easy and now we on Alysa uh and this is uh this is the most again like a re-evaluated a lot of characters but but with Alysa and Victor they are the most carried characters in the game I I can't think of a character that is more carried than Alysa or Victor get ready this is uh again I don't want to be mean but this is brain rot the character absolute brain rot uh so without having any movement you can just control uh the area around you completely by just pressing buttons you control when you guys interact and you can and control when you do not interact uh absurd reach on most of your tools just the Absurd reach on Mid poke low poke uh you have some of the most some of a dumbest strings in the game uh you have un your gimmicks are just out of this world uh and then you have uh uh got they've changed so many notations can someone tell me how I do our high power Crush oh it's up back wasn't that Ford 1 plus two before uh so again you have you have an infinite reach safe uh Power Crush you have a a mid power Crush here this is a mid power Crush but absolutely unbelievable reach while it is minus 1 on Block it's just insanely spammable um God we're so so much that could can be said about this character but I'm just going to I'm just going to leave it to you guys uh looking at this uh um let's see again I'm not an Alisa player but if we look at Brian's health bar here as he's blocking you see that that's on block and all of those chainsaws are heavy Plus on block uh for some reason they gave her a a low chainsaw that is homing and only minus 1 on block it has very generous reach and it just completely complement her chainsaw game but was already so oppressive in Tekken s in terms of the options and the frames and now you give her a homing low and the only counter play there is to these chainsaws is basically uh guess correctly and when they do so much damage on block and have such disgusting frames uh I'm just I I don't know why it's allowed and again a chipmunk can do it it's so easy I see Alysa players at Ren rank who have the defensive skill of a green rank player I'm I'm not trying to be mean again it's I'm not trying it's not H hyperbole either it's just it is what it is this is the most carried character outside of Victor uh and now Lee Lee is this is a character they made easier in this game do I even want to put him in very difficult I don't think I can with good conscience put him next to Steven devilin yeah he's not and this is weird because in Tekken 7 and in any game prior to that he he is way up there in difficulty way up there um complaining about Alysa players defense but no one wants to learn the Alisa much of themselves yeah but s it's just a little bit embarrassing seeing someone in Ren ranks who has the IQ of a a wet you know rag a wet little do rag that someone wiped their penis with a post cumb it's it's it's just a little bit embarrassing and you can so easily see why because you see learn the matchup but her chainsaw pressure is now at the point after being buffed game after game it's not the point where you have to say guess correctly because there's no counterplay like what matchup is there to learn again I want every everyone to learn the matchups but after labbing Alysa it's it's just a bit depressing coming to the conclusion that there is there are just no correct counter Play It's guess correctly um so let's have a little bit of a Le conversation uh get ready for the next battle so Lee uh used to be God where do we start this conversation Le Lee is a similar I talked a little bit about this before Le is a similar archetype to ASA in that uh heavily favors people mindlessly pressing into you and if people do that you do that in this you you have like the best keep out in the game in back four uh ASA tries to do this with can can and back free but ASA is always taking a little bit of a risk doing bad stuff not in terms of uh you know a preemptive counter hit she you're not going to counter hit her out of back free but her problem is that post back free like un block or if she spaces it in inappropriately you can punish her Lee just remains super safe doing this stuff super safe and he has a down for two for keep out and he now has a completely unique 11 frame counter hit in his magic for that is now completely unique to Lee so he has all of these positives right right he has super strong counter hit don't ever press into me I'll [ __ ] you up right he does that well and he does it better than ASA but then I'm going to discuss ASA later in that she has a difficult time breaking a a competent player's guard and this used to be Lee's problem actually in um in Tekken 7 and as I told you guys before what makes a character really difficult in in the end it's not the superficial exec execution I I just bit my tongue ouch it's not the superficial execution anyone can train for a month and do this pretty consistently into blazing kick you can do it the difficult part is the Mind Games and how do I break the guard on a competent player but that's the most difficult obstacle your character can overcome and Lee really used to struggle with strong defensive players because he he had lackluster lows not much of a 50/50 and uh his uh he yeah yeah you only have a one plus two command throw and you didn't have a lows you had a weak 50/50 you really struggled right but in this game like there's no such thing anymore like he he can stand for from this uh this time and space uh this distance and he can threaten you with a slide but if uh if you block it from this range it can even be safe at minus 9 if he spaces it properly and you're not going to launch him for it and as he recovers in crouching position and he can buffer slide you can break Turtles like this now that is pretty insane low pressure right against a character that can at any time if he wants to even from this reach threaten you with for for three even from Crouch he can for for free this is what a range free 50/50 which is very strong and if he's in heat yeah he can also break your guard by doing the cardinal mixups there we go how do I do this one yeah it it does Chip uh and then he has a good low in D back 34 a little bit evasive on the high evasion side plus 4 minus 13 tracks really well gives a blazing Kick Back free free is a natural into frames and tracks way more than it should this is almost homing almost homing I don't know why and on top of that you have like you know the be the best punishment in the game pretty much and you have uh disgusting again a lot of people haven't touched upon this stuff in videos so we might as well do the entire thing because a lot of people people might find this interesting uh so for example his classic wall combo he he has many more you know new wall combos like this very strong he can do a million damage and he has amazing wall travel but he can also do the classic wall combo like this right and here if you don't quick stand he can do a reset if you don't quick stand on Tech roll he he has this reset which is very powerful but we gave him this one he hadn't atten S as well but now it's so disgusting we gave him another reset where if you try and quick stand to beat this very powerful upack three here this is only beaten by the quick stand which beats mus attch by the way well beats it it's still a m game that follows that uh well let's see I'm going to have to set him to stand up so now my opponent is going to Quick stand [Music] yay that's right if you try and beat the quick uh beat the upack three by quick stunning which is your only option the Acid Storm is going to reset the situation and up on the wall you go so Lee has absolutely disgusting wall stuff in this game uh absolutely disgusting and he has no problem breaking your guard anymore they also made his execution easier acid acid rain was not this easy in Tekken s and the follow-up bling kick is easy to do in this game back two Loops are easier in this game they removed quite a bit of execution and all of this considered I cannot with good conscience put Lee next to these guys Lee is now a difficult character but he's no longer very difficult uh and now we are at Lily uh dear Lord where do I put Lily um ly l l l b ly I'm going to say intermediate only uh Lily blows a lot of people up in uh beginner and intermediate um let's just uh my queen actually she's my favorite female character McQueen I hope to have a decent rank with her her uh one day M ready for the next battle uh so yeah it's true if you play in low ranks you can do this or even intermediate do this ly Mains ly rur Mains te enjoyers T Chads have been doing this I [ __ ] you not since Tekken five online two four unblock into that and they and you get launched by this because do a jab or something and you get launched and people don't punish uh down three 4 anyway matter horn people don't punish this it's launch punishable no one punishes it um people eat her snake Edge um yeah if you're beginner intermediate she has a lot of stuff to cheese you with but when you think about it she's not as cheesy as uh many of the other characters when she does her lows on most of them she keeps her back straight and commits for quite a lot of frames you can counter hit her out of this she commits um her she doesn't have very spammable strings like Nina that go low mid low mid low mid can open her style crap she doesn't really have that most of the stuff most of the time she she relies on you playing like a [ __ ] and punishing you for it and you don't know of a matchup um unseeable low Oh you mean d back too yeah but she still has to go into back turn to get this mix up on you yeah so uh she she's just nowhere near as scum as her reputation suggests people talk about her like she's Alysa she's so far away from Alysa you could you could uh go to be honest and Lily at her core completely revolves around very strong defensive play she has the best movement in the game like uh she has a very strong back dash she has a very strong side she has the best side step in the game and she basically relies on move moving around having you with and then confirming with into launching you I side are you wh launch you kill uh she also has very strong block punishment she has arguably the best 12th in the game do you do you see this reach that is brutal reach uh so very strong punishment Al although she needs 15 frames right to launch you oh oh sorry at 15 she count down for it two she has to do a hop kick and it always hurts when she punishes you she has very high combo damage as well excellent wall travel uh she has strong poking and the nice thing with her poking is she always remains like minus 12 which is so nice in this game considering low parries are so nerfed and there are powerful 13 frame while standing punishers uh but not really at 12 frames so her lows are really good in this game I think and this back turn as the gentleman mentioned before back turn D to is a very good low it's also minus 12 knocks down and she has a steel pedal now which is nice and of course her legendary forward4 uh count counter it launcher very strong and safe on block isn't that a combo am I stupido no no sorry it's wild there we go um but so Li Lily rewards very strong defensive players the most she she's a defend archetype in my opinion uh strong fundamentals and anytime I see a lily player at fuin we're always amazing Tekken players amazing Tekken players uh so I'm going to put her at intermediate uh yo she yeah Yoshi is difficult Yoshi battle uh so yeah a lot of people think Yoshi is brain dead now um they think it's basically du two to into this uh so two two flash down for one two down back two flash uh but I think a lot of it has to do with unfamiliarity with the matchup and and don't get me wrong this guy can cheese you so [ __ ] hard like I I get annoyed at Yoshi you Tech roll into this you Tech roll mindlessly and he does this and when he runs up and you Tech roll again and he does this but in the end it's inet just you being a complete [ __ ] moronic idiot isn't that me being an idiot when I eat this he does this and then I mindlessly Tech roll and I I eat that again isn't that me being a dumbass or when you guys when he does two two two two H it's just the dumbest flow chart two two is second hit is so easily dockable this is so slow 31 duck you can dock this duck at some point we just have to acknowledge that we're unfamiliar with Yoshi because he's never been as popular as he is right now so suddenly everyone is exposed exposed to this and Flash for what feels like the first time he's never been very popular um but the thing is like all of these easy setups they're kind of trash it's always mid high or high high mid High mid High mid high it's so much of this is fake pressure to be honest because you just don't know of a matchup and that's on us that's on us or mindlessly Tech rolling this it's that's on us uh it's just like bad bad advice I used to give for kazia it's the same for him don't Tech roll against him you're you're so used to mind ly mashing all the buttons when when you're getting juggled you you have to stop against this character um but uh so so what makes Yoshi difficult uh Yoshi is a setup based pretty creative character where uh he has so many specialized tools where the Yoshi player has to adapt to whatever it is you're doing you can do the can and trench and play him extremely fun mental like uh I mean Kan and trench is just like one one all day long seeing what you're doing take a poke oh read that you're going to duck launch you um into the occasional Yoshi Shenanigans but um mostly he's just very smart in how he uses Flash and again you can say this is this is a a very strong extp but any Yoshi with half a brain is not going to be an idiot about it um it's going to be something the Yoshi player uses once in a while right it is true right here Ryan on paper gets a mixup after Hatchet but not against Yoshi but any smart Brian player is going to wait here again any smart Brian against Yoshi is not going to take his Fram on the hatchet because he knows about this so the so of course if you're just mashing mindlessly against Yoshi he blows you up but a smart Brian is going to do this he's going to do this and then wait and if he sees that twitch cam like I'm not saying it's easy to do I'm just saying that Yoshi players against good players you you need a brain to save a leas to use all of these tools and again the smart Brian or player is not going to mindlessly Tech roll you're going to fall to the ground and stay on the ground and see what the Yoshi player does and now Yoshi has to adapt okay stayed on the ground he can try and set up this he can try and swipe you on the ground um but in the end I I just don't see Yoshi being uh an easy character at all on the contrary I see Yoshi players have to look at a pretty vast move list and understand what every single tool in that move list does and how to apply it that's what I think I I think he's a in the end he's a specialist character and it's true we can't think of a drooling moronic Yoshis that are now bum rolling your your bung hole just bending you over just doing the dumbest flowcharts in ranked and we're getting a ton of points because you're not used to seeing Yoshi a lot but that's on you and that's on me we are the morons why are you mindlessly Tech rolling why do you hit him with a hatchet and go my frames my turn well he has a flash do we have to eat flash a thousand times before we start realizing maybe I shouldn't take my frames so no I'm he's a difficult character uh Jin Jin is intermediate I would put him here before but he's J is intermediate yeah Jin is the easiest Mishima and the easy Mishima archetype but it still it still doesn't make him easy in my opinion um well to be fair I guess in beginner and intermediate you'll do this this this uh and you'll do this and you'll smoke everyone this is this is a better Samar of and devil G this is a very evasive panic button that blows everyone up and it does gigantic damage um demon paw is insane neutral tool absolutely insane H but the demon po um but then when you go into high level it's not that easy although you have a lot of really good tools 24 Dam four down four up for two back to one electric set demon pull down for one is really [ __ ] nice back for 2 one back for two three you have a perfect thr game um I just feel like you're still pretty honest in your approach um and now yeah a lot of people are going to say oh just Spam down too the problem here is that I have average reaction speed and I'm at a point now where I'm familiar enough with this animation where I [ __ ] you not I'm blocking this on reaction even though it's 22 frames but it's it's it's because the animation is so insanely obvious as soon as he starts you'll notti as soon as you press down two this is very intentional by the developers there's a huge red uh effect there on JY as just like an unblockable as soon as I press down two jyn's heart explodes what is they saying practice mode I must believe in my heart and Jin believes so so hard in his heart but it's just [ __ ] explode eventually if you see this attack enough you will recognize this and as soon as I see that that effect I duck and me with average reaction speed at 38 I BL knock that on reaction so Jin in high level play this is not something that's going to be used a lot it's still going to be used because it's still an evasive counter it launcher that that if it's blocked is only minus 14 that will always have value but not in 50/50 utility so in his 50/50 he's still going to use these which are really good loads down back four hits from far away and P pisses me off when I play kazuya because twin Pistons if a Jin knows what he's doing twist twin Pistons whiff here at this range on block down four is a low but it's not talked about enough it's extremely strong super fast super evasive minus one on hit onlyus 12 on block hits hits grounded by the way don't know why and flip this low is monster and D for is still very good his hell sweep gives damage but most of all very very decent he's quick I think yeah quick stand beats uh demon PA here uh so we want uh wake up backwards if a quick stand that that won't happen but if a quick stand that creates problems of its own for for your opponent because if it quick stand down back four suddenly uh becomes a FR um but but the hell sweep is good um I don't know yeah I think you're in this situation with JY where he he is honest and pretty tough to play in high level in beginner and intermediate you still need a pretty decent understanding of what he does and you still need that electric you have a built-in Electric in your move set but that's not going to help you enough I think I think JY is uh intermediate personally I can't really put them in easy with these guys there's a clear difference between JY and and and these characters in my opinion um and then we have H rang um he almost goes into difficult but no no he doesn't um get ready for the next battle so in difficult we obviously put just frame Skyrocket we put the fact that you have to know about all of his options but again knowing about all of those options as as this is my character I play this character it's so much harder for your opponent who's worrying about a lot of other characters and priority matchups it's very hard for him to know just how vast your move list is when you hold up your right leg like this and you have 60 different options as a hor rank player you're expected to know about this stuff not so much your opponent right or these [ __ ] flow charts like oh plus frames plus frames into this and that's guaranteed on counter hit uh and at the wall opponent is dead right um but it is still some execution work getting all of this uh done and it is quite a lot to keep track of um although they did simplify your game plan a lot and that you had bad initiation they gave you a dragon lash to fix that problem but to make up for it they nerfed your down free for 50/50 mixup they Nerf this except for when you're in heat so what you do now is you you land your dragon lash you're going to heat with a full heat bar and now you threaten your your Beat Up mixup just like in Tekken seven that that is the flow now of of horon and also heat is just so powerful in terms of Chip damage right and this synergizes extremely well with horon extremely well um I mean that's it's so much damage just blocking these attack attacks that have these ridiculous frames you'll note that I'm Plus on everything I do here right he looks to the bottom left there you see how plus all of this is right you know so it's this character where opponent needs very strong defensive uh play to to work around it um but again it's it's hard to use in high level Play Once people once people are good at the matchup just frame Skyrocket is the mid you want to use I mean the fact that you guys um oh the fact that you guys don't punish him for back three right you might think oh he's 5050 in me with down three four and back three well back three is still launch punishable you know um so due due to execution requirements and how much you yourself have to study your character I'm going to put him here but uh it is true at the same time but it can very easily overwhelm you with pressure um but it's I still think a horang player puts in puts in some work into that character uh n it's good that these two come uh one after another because I think they're quite similar [ __ ] this is so tough she's so brainless M because she she is not this character she she has precount strings that will really [ __ ] you up but are so easy to throw at the opponent get ready for the next battle most Nas but but you're going to see most of you are beginner in intermediate the vast majority you're going to eat stuff like this and this now on counter hit full string uh she she gets this guaranteed uh it's it's hard to do that's guaranteed this is pretty ridiculous oh I I dropped it it's supposed to hit flip him standing up there you go that's guaranteed and this string is what 16 frame start up safe on block he used to be able to S side step this string you can't anymore and this is so dumb as well like again I'm just mashing a here again counter hit and funny here like most of you don't know Nina uh she can do the oh sorry I I can do this that's a sweep and it's only minus 12 and I'll mix that with this and this is now a launcher due to heat burst that was not the case in Te 7 and then she has like a million damage because you'll start doing down two like over and over in combos d 2 is still ridiculous orbital's pretty ridiculous did I mention can opener did I mention down for went two jails it's a mid high but if you block the down for one you can't talk the high this is just pressure right can add the four here to just surprise you I see them Pro players this it's a counter um so really dumb stuff has everything she needs to be hyper competitive can take absurd frames anytime she wants to just uh uh wait what am I doing wrong see there that's plus 10 on block so not there's nothing you can do there if I if I do this sequence and for f at s is very strong uh you have uh wait how do I how do I do change was it a COR Circle for four oh oh can I I can just one standing three my bad uh yeah yeah we have we still have chain throws uh very good we we still have a good throw game uh this still guaranteed guarante is that um you just have uh for three it's kind of cheap uh back four is a safe uh High counter guarante is down for two uh we have wife the floor uh when we are in heat we can do this super dumb thing for a million damage uh she does a [ __ ] ton of [ __ ] if you block this uh you you just have uh you have a ton of really abusable garbage with Nina but that doesn't change the fact that there's High execution here and there less execution than teken S but there is still execu and work to be done at this at at high level play but she is so [ __ ] abusable and to be honest this is where some of you said I'm crazy put putting him here but but again I've played these characters and I can assure you that it's much easier spamming with these characters than it is with him here you have to figure out the timing and input of the stuff he does the these are precan strings that are insanely powerful and require a very strong defensive player to handle them uh again I got Tekken god with this guy in Tekken 7 it was much more work than her much more work than these characters so never got him to teeken God he bored the [ __ ] out of me uh and now we are in this territory uh Fang way shouldn't be down here but in Tekken 8 he is but he shouldn't be he should he should be somewhere around here he's designed to be here but he's here uh where do we have F way get ready for the next battle so Fang way I think is the best character in the game I can't find a single flaw on my list I posted two weeks ago I put dragonov as the best character in the game but I do think Fang way is better than dragonov the F with dragonov is just that his damage is too high fangue has higher damage than he should have a character that that's usually that's actually how Fang way used to be balanced historically like low combo damage and bad combos because the character can do everything right including cure cancer like he he can do every single thing there is to be done in the game right so may maybe he shouldn't have uh maybe he shouldn't have high combo damage but they [ __ ] that up with season 4 in in Tekken 7 they [ __ ] it up and it's still [ __ ] up he he still has more damage than he should have it's just that dragonov has rebar the damage but I still do think fu is better just for the sheer fact that there's nothing he can't do and again dragonov can do pretty much everything as well but there are still downsides to playing dragonov uh Fang way I just can't think of anything uh B BTO moon thanks for Prime viral moment thanks for Prime uh if you've played against Fang way they spam cample they spam cample three which you can't launch anymore for some reason they spam cample 2 which is a heat engager and then they mindlessly do a heat smash that you can't do anything about and it goes into million frames if you try and challenge it does a mixup if you ever try to challenge he back ons you for a million damage back free shouldn't even be there I don't know why it's there I don't know why D free still has a counter property I don't know why he has a full Crouch sweep but doesn't stagger on block doesn't stagger but natural combos with the one option he can go into back turn and threaten you with a power Crush he can threaten you with his disgusting throw mixup which is a 50/50 as there's no difference in animation he can threaten you with an unseeable snake Edge hooray I love Fang way uh he has a w standing one infinite reach if he's standing up close to you he has the best pokes in the game I [ __ ] you not he has the best pokes in the game up close there's just no contest uh he has a hop kick he has the best panic button in the game because it's [ __ ] safe because why not uh he has uh oh if he's standing up here he has a launching 50/50 ha he can do a mid that's plus one un block because why not he has a kazia 443 he does down for threee la la la la oh you got launched safe unlock why not if you try and take your turn here he has a punch Parry he can also do this after up four round one punch Parry uh he'll do while sing two into punch Parry he'll do down for two two into punch Parry he'll do delay uh sorry delay hop kick into punch Parry uh shifting clouds is a launching Parry now it launches um he has a safe on block high power Crush why not join the join the AA and Victor D that's a safe unblock power crush heat engager because why the [ __ ] not uh shoulder is an infinite range 13 frame no sorry 14 frames when I'm far away but it's a 13 frame startup heat engager because why would [ __ ] not uh he still has a and Demon pole which is a heat engager because why the [ __ ] not still safe on block at minus 9 uh he has a ton of evasion uh he can do for free for a ton of evasion he can do back for free uh Campo which is unbelievably strong he can still Block in Campo he can do back link back dashes into Campo completely absurd he has really good wall travel he has really good combos when he is in heat he has uh a super good ground pound he does this tornado and and no matter what you do it wins it just wins over you if it hits you when you're jumping you die he gets a guaranteed followup if it hits you like this you die he gets a guaranteed follow up um when when it when it hits you like this in op that's how we're going to use it you you find yourself in a situation where you can only guess you can't you have to respect him you can't do anything and I showed you before how powerful his back turned options are he has everything and he can threaten you with a a mid La sure uh if he does uh standing two into heat Dash uh uh oh sorry how do I manually back turn it used to be uh back fre four oh it's still back three4 I'm just Mis inputting so again this is a launcher right so when you take this mixup on wake up if he doesn't want to risk anything you'll just do this into plus five oh and he has a he suit now from Tempo I don't know why they gave him this but apparently he needed it uh and down two still one of the best lows in the game even though it got nerfed uh and it's down for one neutral on block of course which sets up his time frame counter it in back one uh back one still gives shoulder for a million damage if he is in heat the best Panic move in the game uh I [ __ ] you not turns into a launcher uh oh I dropped it I don't know how I dropped that it's pretty easy to do uh oh sorry I dropping this can I just mash it out oh I'm an idiot yeah uh this is now a launcher like uh I don't know what more to say like the the list is absolutely endless Fang way will you shut up hell no sorry NE I know you like him Fang way is basically all of the characters rolled into one he doesn't compromise he doesn't sacrifice with anything he does every single [ __ ] thing and does it well and has a a button for every option everything he does and he does good damage the only reason dragonov in my opinion can be said to be stronger than Fang is because dragonov outdamages him so severely so severely uh but should be here but due to how op he is he just ends up here uh and then we have we have dragonov dragon it this is this is a fascinating one because if this was a Tekken s drag would be here I [ __ ] you not that's where he would be but in this game it is a joke it is an absolute [ __ ] joke on us players and now you might ask yourself well what happened how does a character go from uh from difficult to uh to very easy and it's not it's not only about dragonov being completely op it's about the counter Play dragonov Always threatened you with big mths but they didn't do a million damage now they do a million damage and he threatens you with power low this is already a huge problem because that used to be his problem like if people just blocked or use movement a lot he has a problem but now Kabam now he has the power low which he shouldn't have and it's plus seven does huge damage knocks down on counter hit flips the opponent when it hits grounded sets up Okie hits grounded why the [ __ ] does it do that I have no clue um and again oh he had a problem with people stepping him well this tracks more than it should throws are now homing and you couple that with a character that has very strong throws you have a [ __ ] problem I don't need to use down two now to shut down your lateral movement I'll use my throw game to do it oh you counter it into my throw a billion damage this throw was already strong enough and breaks the floor now it gives a guaranteed back four gives a guaranteed back four and all the dragon out all they do is this that because if you try and do anything on the ground if you stand up this disconnect and now you've lost half your health bar and I come at you with plus 17 and that's super fun right against Heat dragonov uh if if you stay on the ground uh let's try and demonstrate this uh if you stay on the ground that's still connect the back for is guaranteed but I do this and I take no risk I took no risk if you stand up you die but if you don't stand up I still get my guaranteed back four and I recover in time I'm fine because the back four slugs you away a little bit like that and I took no risk at all and if this situations happens at the wall the back for free wall Splats you and you lost that round because now he does his wall throw while running four into a million damage on you so the counter play that used to exist it is just gone uh he he's almost he's almost like a heat character because if you want to if if you just think about it for a little bit his heat isn't even that disgusting because it's not much of a contrast to how he is in his neutral State because dragonov is like a heat character when he doesn't have heat he's constantly threatening you with a super damaging like 50/50 where everything is like plus seven these are like [ __ ] heat attacks it's like [ __ ] heat attacks but it's uh it's normal State and of course you you add sneak cancel to back for two and he gets dumb links or two one sneak this isn't this didn't exist before and he gets these super dumb links and then to compliment his move set down to and now you give him a full Crouch low and he just terrorizes everyone no brain required spam fro in a game where fro are ridiculously [ __ ] overpowered with their counter hit utility with their you know 11 frame start this is an 11 frame startup super strong counter hit super strong and it's homing I don't need to use homing attacks anymore um and then of course yeah what is this what is this or here oh I I was in heat sorry I expected a heat first what is that um yeah it's h it's a joke it's just a joke uh so the the character oh oh I I I quit practice mode I guess that was my microphone hope you're doing well M the next character we're going to talk about is ausa I'm just going to load her up here real quick well punch Shaheen in the face villan thanks for 76 months and Archer Hunter thanks for three months maybe we can do a select as well we've been on that stage for a while now um Arena get ready for the next battle H but for all of those reasons dragonov has to be considered very easy the thing is in beginner intermediate very easy in high level play very easy because every single thing I just told you translates so well into high Lev play all of those defensive options they mattered the most to the high level players but they don't have them anymore uh so yeah it's just in any level of play Dragon of is brain dead and you'll notice that when you play high ranks in this game and you go up against a dragonov it doesn't matter if he has like very little skill in the game itself everyone knows how to apply uh his links into sneak 4 oh now I'm going to do Hatchet now I'm going to do a fro everyone understands it uh ausa is literally designed to be extremely easy and she is arguably the easiest character in the game due to the deadly combination of moronic easy and unbelievably strong and no counterplay oh sorry we we already had it h so this character is defined by this attack which is her while running while running free to this move is it's beyond words how broken this move is you've probably already heard a lot about it so this is a while running that does uh what is it I can't see behind there what does it do 36 damage uh or is it 37 sorry I want to get this accurately that's a 37 right uh let's see let's just remove everything 37 there we go okay I'm back so 37 knocks down right and it's a natural so first knee and due to it being a knee it can't be pared right that's that's a very important distinction by the way because if you could Parry this this would be nice right so it's UNP Parable due to being a KN blam blam natural 37 damage and will for wall spat right for a ton of damage if you block this it is plus plus seven on block uh uh oh sorry plus five on block as you can see below there and also for some reason it does a ton of Chip if you look at Shaheen's Health right now I'm going to chain them that is unacceptable on an attack that is mid High meaning if you if you block the first hit you have to block the second hit and uh tracks uh it it's just too fast I can't say it tracks really well because if you know when it's coming you can't sidewalk it to the left and then duck the second hit the second hit has quite a bit of tracking so the counter play is when the a does it step left into duck and you will beat the attack and now you can launch as but the problem here is if you go against a chip monk Asus yeah she'll probably run into it like this and you can do step left duck but again this is not easy to do you need to be a pretty competent player to pull off he's going to do it step left duck launch you're already a pretty competent defensive player but here the problem is if you asena has more than 10 brain cells or IQ but asisa is going to go up to you like this and now in this game where while Runnings are very easy to do now he's threatening you with a point blank while running free to and now it's very very very hard to get the appropriate step duck now you're in Fury fighting territory because if you just get the timing wrong due to him delaying it a little bit disconnects and you get blown up and you get reset into the same situation so what most good players do is they just willingly eat a couple of these just to see what the ASAS will do uh because it's so risky trying to step it um and now alua can threatening you threaten you as she gets plus five she can now threaten you with down for 14 down for 14 is super broken this is the only down for one to kick in the game that jails so now again you're in a wild running 32 situation where if you block block the first hit you have to block the second hit yay you can actually again to beat this one you can also do a step left duck but again if you mtime it or let's say you're locked behind very big frames it's not a it's not a wise decision to try and do this uh and then down for four of course doesn't end there and this is a natural of course for what 28 damage or 26 uh someone correct me and it's plus four safe on block at minus 7 but here the asisa threatens you with down for 14 one the high here is safe on block at minus five really good frames and it's a counter hit launcher or she threatens you with a mid like this or she threatens you with going into libertador mixups and here she has the typical 50/50 shenan right so at all times you're just respecting this character because she has so much [ __ ] [ __ ] to throw your way an interesting uh thing here is that if she does mashes this out down for one for down for 1 14 one or down for 1 14 1 plus 2 but down for 1 for 1 plus two comes out significantly slower than the high so this you can fuzzy go so you block down for one four and then you duck quickly to duck the one and then you come back with your duck right in time to block the high and you you can actually beat this no Sor sorry I I um I I said that wrong the the the high is the fast option so you you duck quickly and the one whiffs and you come back in time to block the mid and the mid isus 10 on block sorry this is a little bit convoluted this is pretty Advanced if defensive strats here but a fuzzy will beat this mixup right if she mashes it out and that's the key word here you'll duck the high and it will whiff and you'll come up just in time to block the mid and now you get your 10 frame punish you get it but here the problem is for some reason the developers added delay to to the one so oh sorry I muted myself so now you get counter hit launch for trying to uh beat this mixup uh with a fuzzy um so I could talk again like the the The bador Stance is a pretty scary stance uh with built-in low Parry built-in High Parry uh she has really good options she also has a safe on block High a heat engager power Crush she has a down for two she has an orbital she has super [ __ ] deadly lows super deadly lows um uh she has a super evasive counter launcher very strong high evasion safe on block uh she can heat engag for you into uh God how do I do it again this uh when when she lands a heat engager on you she can try and [ __ ] you with this gimmick and that's a um unblockable taunt that launches you um H but uh the fact is like she's super easy super brain dead but it basically all comes it all boils down to one running 32 and everything I told you about down for one4 while running 32 is largely Invincible it's perfect down for 14 is largely Invincible it's perfect uh and then you have a million options on top of that we could discuss we could discuss this stuff all day long um but uh she's the clearest example in this game of unbelievably easy archetype design a chipmunk should be able to play this character and then for some reason the chipm monk character is top free legit top free I think well the more I think about it she Pro she's probably only behind Fang way and dragonov but she it's just uh yeah I just I couldn't disagree more with the with the design of uh of azua H and then we are at shiau and shiau is going to go here for me uh it's pretty much for the same for the same re as um uh and again don't me get me wrong she's broken and she needs toning down um what okay my my chat is going bananas here um uh I feel like I fully understand this character these days and uh uh I I know a lot of people want to see her here like very easy but she's not a character like this she's not uh she's a she's like Yoshi mitsu where she she needs to know your patterns and uh how you are going to respond to what she's doing and she's a setup character M much like Yoshi um but she has a lot of dumb [ __ ] in this game we're we're going to try and cover all of it um let's see get ready for the and she's she's not Alysa she's not Alysa uh p pig malan thanks for four months uh so the the dumb got to be trolling well you can at least hear me out you know instead of immediately dismissing all the you know it's so easy to be dismissive and to be honest how many of you know how these characters operate all you know is your gut reaction and your emot reaction when you see these characters and you always feel robed and to be honest most of you like despise every character in the game and you say king is the easiest character in The Game King is [ __ ] and I'm just wondering do you even know how King is played have you ever played King yourself do you understand what it's like trying to land a giant swing while your opponent is doing stuff like this right or doing this or doing stuff like this how many of these characters do you do you truly understand have you played and I'm I'm saying that to someone who used to say sh you is brain brain damage right so I've been wrong on a lot of these characters and it's it's a learning process we learn as we go I might change my mind you know in a month's time but you seem so opinionated and King is so dumb Lily is so dumb Paul is so dumb Raven is so dumb Leroy is so dumb Kazi is so dumb but with with all due respect and humility like how many of these characters do you truly understand St and why is your man so humble and cool and everyone else is a dumb piece of [ __ ] I'm I'm just wondering how many of these characters have you actually played and do you understand how the character operates like whatever strengths whatever weaknesses what is the game plan it's very easy to dismiss me and have a g an emotional gut reaction but because you feel you get blown up by shiau but in and have you played sh you but we we can we can start we can start with the stuff the easy stuff at you object to uh so she has a launching throw right that does 80 damage so this is broken and something we we hope they remove uh it shouldn't be there especially when fro are are this strong uh aop is insanely evasive to a point where it shouldn't be uh you also have to understand aop but it's not only vertical evasion she does every time she goes into aop uh it's it's very subtle but you'll see that she steps a little bit to the right when she does it so your counter measure has to be a mid that hits very low but it must also track a little bit to your left so this is very obvious if I just chain aops I'm just counseling aop by standing up but you'll note that I'm I'm starting to do a counterclockwise motion here around Shaheen so very important to know aop she she not only goes down but she actually does a side step right so that's good to know and aop is more evasive than it was in Tekken 7 so a lot of shiau will just kind of mindlessly do stuff like this this this uh and hope that you don't know how to hit her out of aop and most of you don't you have you have to hit lab you have to go into practice mode it's like U it's a bit like Yoshi where uh you have to think twice how you play these These are setup oriented characters so again with shiau if uh sorry with Yoshi if we just Spam Tech roll like we do against all these characters we get blown up it's like I've always always try to tell you with kazia if he hell sweeps You Hell sweeps you don't immediately Tech roll because uh kazia feeds off of the hell sweep Oki that's literally the entire character almost it's set up so you have to think okay I'm going up against a setup character now how am I getting back to my feet and mo most of us are guilty of just mindlessly Tech rolling like we do because it's the correct approach against most of the characters right but you have to think a little bit you know I'm going up against this character now and that's true for Yoshi and it's certainly true for for shiau and and kazia they have some of the best uh setup in the game like ground game uh but so aop got to learn how to deal with it uh very evasive especially if she Taps down when she's doing it like this she basically goes Invincible uh and she can you know instantly aop tap down and and immediately after this duck she can retaliate so you got got to be super careful uh her the other thing that makes her like super s tier dumb is like her hypnotist stuff uh especially in heat that uh but so how does she do hypnotist you'll do some and again you know most of you lose the value spamming [ __ ] like this and again it's it's all right you don't know a matchup I get it she's she's incredibly rare incredibly rare but it's a little bit with with like with the with the kuma situation in that she's so rare and that works so much to her favors you see brain that sh you do this and you don't know the counter play and they match aop you don't know a counter play um but the thing is she she becomes it's it's just like Yoshi where honestly I could have the exact same speech I had with Yoshi it's basically shiau she feeds off of the fact that you have no clue what you're doing she blows you up but it's a very uh demanding character to play at high level in that you have you have to understand H how to chain all of this stuff together uh no don't don't donate right now I'm really trying to keep a red lining here we don't have that many characters left thank thanks for donation B uh but I I just never find a setup based character like this easy it's it's the same for uh Kaza it's the same for shiaa it's the same for Yoshi wait we have to adapt exactly to how opponent is playing H and you have a million different options that are going to cover those options uh but uh it's it can never be said to be easy I think Shou is a specialist character in the end if you want to get good with this character and so is Yoshi it's just it's going to reward people who really deep dive into the move list all of the options and and how it all comes together uh and and if it to be completely Frank like every every Shia I see a couple of brain dead shiau but most of them are strong defensive players and most of them really try and you know adapt to whatever you're doing uh but but uh but again it it has to be said yes it is her hypnotist mixup really dumb it it is really dumb this sweep is kind of oh did I mute myself again sorry it's difficult uh that sweep is kind of busted when she is in heat this is unnal um like this uh for plus six on block note that you you can side step right this mixup she can go into hypnotist but s step right duck will will beat a lot of these options but I have a problem is she can delay she can do this allbe it now she's minus 13 uh but she can also do this now you you'll never step this on reaction never and she also gets the plus six here uh and her heat smash is ridiculous heat smash is ridiculous it's so stupid it's it's the back turn one that's so [ __ ] dumb uh I'm I'm not trying to make any excuses for for how strong she is she she's insanely [ __ ] strong but she's she's a specialist character in the end she's not a brain dead chipmunk character there's no [ __ ] way you're going to tell me these two are Alysa or Nina uh to to a to a pretty high degree you have to know what you're doing uh but it's true if we're going to ba if we're simply going to base our point of view right now as to what these do well how much uh utility a weak player weak fundamental player can just cheese these characters in beginner and intermediate yeah of course but I I that's not where I want to end my analysis in the end it's it's so dumb I get it these characters are seen rarely Yoshi has suddenly gained a lot of popularity and you're getting blown up by the lowest IQ the dumbest [ __ ] flowcharts where literally if you just took like half an hour to look in replay mode to what you just lost to you would see that oh the game would literally tell you oh two two could you please duck next time but I I get it most of us don't want to lab labbing can be seen as boring I get it but I'm I'm not going to say a character's brain dead because we can't take half an hour uh to lab it yeah uh and now it's King uh uh King oh God where do I put King oh man this is a difficult one where the [ __ ] do I put King if this was Tekken 7 I would put him here but in Tekken 8 yeah he's going to have to be put here yeah uh King historically is not an easy character to play and it's nice to talk about him after we've talked about shiau like uh all of these characters that hug the floor and pre characters who pressure him you know he can't really throw and characters who have uh a lot of low evasion uh oh sorry very high mid evasion you know they hug the floor typically he doesn't really have the mid to deal with it although he can opt for forward3 DDT ford3 has a very low hit box but a little bit slower on the startup at 15 uh I mean it's not super slow but it's not a down for one right or a down for four uh but King has also been much of a specialist character if you've ever seen little Majin play or any good King player you know that it's it's a very vast move list with uh a ton of pretty weird tricks to to get the the maximum utility of a character very much setup oriented and very oky oriented like he'll hit you with a throw and the throw is only half of a damage the second half is how will you stand up after this and he has a ton of stuff to try and uh [ __ ] you up as you get back to your feet uh in this game he is is definable by his counter utility if if you want to talk about his strength this low is unbelievably strong it loses to side steps but most people don't step so he gets plus seven into setup stuff uh counter it is insane uh shove is [ __ ] insane uh down for 2 one is insane this down for 2 one almost seems like an oversight to me because no one else has a counter launcher like this anymore it's all gone he has a 13 frame mid counter hit in the game that removed the 13 frame counter rates if they are not highs obviously or whatever um and it does full damage it doesn't scale like Leroy can threaten you with a back one plus two counter it but it heavily scales he gets no damage King gets full damage from this it he twitch confirms it's very generous actually in the in the twitch confirm he sees you did anything and then he does this blam blam blam blam and he does this and now into Oki if a king player is very very very good he will sidewalk here into a two jab but it's very strict but the good game players will do it into that and it's uh it's just a million damage and the Oki from shining wizard is [ __ ] rebed it's so strong especially when he's he's in heat you know how you'll do this into this and now you're in an absurd position that will hit if if you quick stand to beat it he will chip you now with the heat smash like this and now you're going to take my 50/50 although if if if your opponent is really good you should know that RKO is reactable but it's very hard to react to it can be done but it's very hard it's a 23 frame startup with a very obvious animation where the arms come to the side it's a much bigger Larger than Life animation than the other frows because it is an unbreakable throw but it is don't get me wrong it's hard to duck this on reaction but I do want to say that it can be done if it could not be done like if this was like 21 frame startup K king would be significantly stronger don't get me wrong he's still s tier like top four I think he's only behind dragonov um uh Fang way alus and now you're like okay why is that well we discussed the counter hit stuff but it's also because his his can I do a giant swing his throws are uh Straight up G Giga broken in this game and it's due to the B buffing of fro uh you give them counter it utility making them next to Unbreakable and you make them homemate so now when King is checking you like this like in Tekken seven you'd step him right this is now homing for some reason now now King checks you with Plus one on block right so now the giant swing after that is oh God can I do a giant swing is now uninterruptible but in in Tekken seven you could obviously step this but that counter play doesn't exist anymore so now now you get blown up um and of course there's also the buff that if you blue Sparks now the froze hit even more they do five more damage uh so in short his throws are completely broken he's the best counter it character in the game not only due to the counter it utility of the attacks but also his his giant swing is now a 10 frame counter hit that can do that can do 70 damage it's legit a 10 frame it's as fast as a jab counter it keep out tool if he wants to or if he try and challenge any of his frames if you try and challenge anything not only am I interrupting you with a giant swing now you can't [ __ ] break it great stuff and his chain throws remain strong as ever very good he still has nice setup utility um yeah and I mean his his muscle armor is strong strong power Crush strong power Crush um Jaguar Sprint is strong especially in he heat with it armor properties it's a safe mid launcher regain when you land this he regains heat energy and then he threatens you with a mix up again um yeah King King is brutal and he has strong punishment strong punishment uh but so due to being a setup oriented character albeit always a more straightforward one V the two right always a little bit more straightforward I I would put them in intermediate and there's also execution but fro are not easy to pull off but he's so op in this game and kind of mindless in what he does but I also can't can't put him here because these guys are just so much more spammable than he is and again as soon as someone has high evasion or any King player any King player will know what I'm talking about when I say that the easiest counter play to King is just spamming in his [ __ ] face and he's got a weak back dash he can do the Jaguar dash out he can do muscle armor he can do a Power Crush but that's still not easy I don't find muscle armor that easy to use uh well when you muscle armor into the two followup uh yeah so I I I can't put him here uh the easiest counterplay to King is playing one of these and mashing in King's face and King feels pretty helpless because he can't pull off his Thro um but is he intermediate in this game no he's easy due to everything a four mentioned um Raina is extremely difficult uh extremely difficult here I know a lot of people hate me again oh my God she's very easy she's not for for too hard yeah but again again you can try to play Raina it's not as easy as you think I know you get blown up by Raina players but at a certain point you're going to maybe have to say maybe he owned me because he was the better player so when the Raina is spamming you with with ryen ford4 two what what are your counter measures what what are you doing are you are you just getting blown up or get ready for the next battle Raina is not as hard as d j or Steve I think she's super [ __ ] hard yeah well she makes me real hard at least a 38y old man and that's not easy making me hard I'm so [ __ ] old um all right so we can start with the basics uh the the most complicated uh newcomer of all time and that's not a uh hyperbole that is true it's she's the most complicated newcomer of all time uh very strict on execution relies on strong movement that's hard to do and a very convoluted move set with multiple stances you have to understand a lot lot of utility in her attacks you have to understand uh that is step one uh it has to be said that when you when you get really good with this character she is uh she's one of the best characters in the game I under I didn't understand how strong she was when I made my initial tier list she's s tier she's not A+ tier uh it's very simple actually a character that controls the neutral the way she does you know that situation you're in where against gen and his heat smash you're in that situation at all times with Raina it's this deadly combination of having Wu movement extremely strong movement a 13 frame electric which is already an insane threat from a character with that much movement you couple this with ryen ryen dominates everything in the neutral it's a 13 frame infinite reach mid that's basically homing so in terms of the best neutral control in the game uh personally I would say it's Raina I don't think anyone competes with her to be honest uh so when she's in the neutal like this your best option is to be honest not to even challenge her you just look at her and you wait for Raina to come in with her for ford4 two and then you just see is he a brain De Ford for2 STI 3 Raina or is he a brain de for for2 sent 4 R now it's usually one of those and you you do the correct defensive measures to beat that um um but oh yeah in in terms of difficulty uh I think she's much like um much like heihachi in that you you have very bad low so what you do is you Pummel your opponent with highs and mids and then you need to see a little bit what they are doing again bat neutral but I just described is extremely hard to acquire it comes to very strong fundamental players to understand movement and spacing and again very high execution uh and then when you use your ride down this is not the easiest hit confirm in the game but it is there you're going to want to do that hit confirm that and then if you know that it is blocked you have to adapt pretty quickly and you'll go something like this or to get FR you'll do this but then you have to adapt a little bit what your opponent what their counter measures are because there's clear counterplay to all of this so you got to adapt to that um I think I think in a nutshell that's it um you just got to see all the time uh forward four for example which is a key attack for her just like the old man is it a normal hit is it blocked did it counter hit uh did it hit uh uh did it hit crouching depending on what it does you will do a different action a different option so in my opinion Raina is this character where when you play her you always have to be a little bit on your feet as to in into regards as how does my oppon what had just happened on this interaction did it did it hit was it blocked uh what is my opponent I was my opponent trying to counter it uh and then you have clear uh no what did I do wrong block all St [Music] um yeah and Van uh you know character is at its best when you understand the 1 million options you have that this is hit confirmable quite spammable heat string what do I do when someone's good at the matchup because Suddenly It's quite different I I can't just Spam I can't just do what every Raina does which is this I I just can't do that against a good player against weaker players yeah you can just Spam that [ __ ] all day long uh how do I optimize how do I optimize really bad because she is extremely difficult TMM is never wrong I know uh how do I optimize heat utility uh yeah I mean yeah I I know we have a lot of emotional reactions we might have got blown up by Ras uh a lot of people think she should be down here I don't see that at all I see a very complicated character but rewards people have very strong fundamental skill people have spent a lot of time with Raina due to being a newcomer people don't understand the counter play so they get blown up and get they get really mad uh but the counter play is there um and then uh also if I may use uh what's it called not an analogy uh what what is it called when you use as argument an experience you've had what is that called again no no it's not a metaphor no no an anecdote thank you that's it sorry I forgot if I may use uh you know talk in in terms of anecdotes uh every Raina I've seen at fuin Etc they're highly highly skilled Tekken players highly skilled and they probably have a background in playing Mishima characters and probably a lot of heihachi players and again if you want to talk about win loss ratio as that nice donating gentleman said uh she's in the [ __ ] dumpster in the absolute [ __ ] dumpster uh yeah to be honest I mean uh I don't even have to make a case for you guys you can have your emotional reaction but everything that I can go to objectively like win loss ratio the execution demands the highly complicated move list the clear counterplay the fact that she has [ __ ] lows um I don't know what what you want me to tell you should I also go emotional and say oh evil girl with tits oh my God she's so op yeah she's super strong she's super strong but dear Lord you want me to say she's aus are you [ __ ] joking do you stop to think a little bit about what you're saying probably not right uh law uh law [ __ ] easy L is easy it's probably not very easy but he's easy um let's see where is my boy L get ready for the next battle uh so LW enjoys a very buff 50/50 in this game with slide into nonshock super good um low par was nerfed which is super good for this low uh it's a really strong low this is also a really strong low his coun utility is rebed it's so [ __ ] good he's a better counter character than Steve Steve is not the counter itting Paragon low is better Dragon Hammer remains endlessly [ __ ] spammable at plus three counter La sure uh now you'll do while standing four afterwards like all LS you know they all do this but what is something Bam Bam and now everyone has access to that PSS right oh wow am I an idiot everyone can do perfect DSS now right because the execution was removed we we simply hold forward and we get these sick DSS transitions right on hit I get plus 60 you have to work really hard for this in s but here no such work so everyone enjoys God L now it's just uninterruptible pressure just constantly uninterruptible pressure so that has made him significantly easier this is a character that was difficult in t seven but not so much anymore you have a very spammable down for two back three is super spammable 14 frame Long Reach blah blah blah uh you have a launching Pro which is going to help you a lot uh in this game uh considering the Buffs to froze uh and again this one is funny like that that count it while standing for oh sorry if you have some timing here you see this combos that's from an 11 frame counter it by the way 11 frames um and then his G clap is [ __ ] insane like [ __ ] insane he does one one like this and then he twitch confirms on your ass like you I confirmed this and again I suck I just do this so uh I just got heat engager on your smelly ass right but if I'm already in heat now you're never going to press against LW because it's basically hiachi rage drive all over again but hit confirmable so we do pop B BP and you're long and it's pretty pretty good with 10 frame startup right or we can do uh our 14 frame check here right uh back one two which which always has the threat of a followup right this also in heat is a counter string H hit confirmable uh very strong uh I haven't discussed his uh Nuna which is a long range knockdown th this is by the way steel pedal by just pressing one plus two that's why it's used here steel pedal into Oki steel pedal right but you saw the reach there any good law Warfare salt they'll place it somewhere around here where you can't punish sure I'm minus 13 but look look look where you are what are you going to do [ __ ] granted Shaheen actually has a really good 12 frame so I think he can punish it but most people can't and for some reason this nunchuk is also pretty much homing can't step it and then as a like a steel pedal if you press any button uh oh my dramatic example if you press any button now it's a counter launcher and if I'm in heat this really powerful nunchuck Launches on normal hit and it's not completely safe at minus8 on block so for all of these reasons L is significantly significantly easier and he's very very very strong he's a very strong boy he is not a tier he's s tier um but he's not very easy LW players at least do something right uh so I'm going to put him here um now we are in Piss easy category yet again with June the lovely June Kazama uh so let's show a little bit of June get ready for the next battle uh June is the definition of brain rot if you've ever played against the June you've probably seen this before FL FL FL flap into Canam this Beats 99% of players la la la la into this and you you don't take a risk by the way because it this is ductable by the way for free as soon as she does a homing here you duck that it's the same with one two two most people use these B homing is always duable so but Mo but people don't know a match up so they do this and then you think it's your turn you can do something and then they can can you get can camp uh uh it it just uh yeah most people get blown up by that or they do this into throw or they do a Power launcher or they do power crush or they do H sweep here um or they spam her frow I mean those things are super brain dead and and don't don't get me wrong they they're hard to dock on reaction I can do it finally but I've been labbing like crazy um she has some decent throws she she even has a launching throw which is not bad in this game uh Stupid 10 frame stupid 10 frame uh Plus on block homing again it's just endless list of spammable [ __ ] plus unblock homing so you block this that she does an uninterruptible throw catches you of guard uh even on hit she gets plus 13 so she gets this for free or or a throw that's a combo you need to break that throw you see that combo it's 13 frames uh or she'll do this you can interrupt this but no one does so this is plus three mid homing um and then she has a hit confirmable string this is hit confirmable you just Bost half height oh 10 frame 40% from a 10 frame uh oh my while setting 1 plus two minus two on block mid if this counter hits that's guaranteed half your life oh oh I find myself in heat oh oh what is this a combo ah 65% 60% 65 um H and again like this heat smash alone is a joke this this heat smash alone is how many how many like it it's good also that most most June players are brain dead they don't even understand how strong their character is they just waste heat they just do get off me EST so again this is an unavoidable heat smash there's nothing you can do you can lie down on the ground maybe EDD can maybe lie down on the ground uh but this is homing can't do [ __ ] um you have to block it it heals her un block it heals her it's 1 frame startup like a down for one uh it as you just as I just demonstrated it w Splats for something just uh Invincible heat smash that also heals and you of course take chick chip chicken damage chip damage on block and she heals so it's like a transfer of Health from you to her uh it's a joke uh Mirage dance can heal her and has projectile um minus 11 on block uh counter thure uh 14 frame long range while standing a launcher uh side step four is plus six on block can do one two side step she can do like either one two two [ __ ] mix up or one two step and start linking you with this for for one plus two you can see about plus six un block right well Splat she has serious frames and she doesn't really compromise with pokes this is uh minus 12 on block uh plus two on hits long range low P very good um oh right and most people don't understand our heat uh if if aune players Had a Brain they would start doing this so this is her and I mean I could mention that you have a safe on block sabaki this is a launching Parry that's neutral on Block it's a high but this this is a launching Parry launching Parry um and then she has this Parry of course she has back three hit confirmable confirm hit at this just just like uh just like ASA but this is of course super ASA she's so much better than USA uh hit confirmable um up for three is a safe unblock uh counter uh I don't remember what's the follow up is it 4 three yeah and again her her com are absolutely crazy she she does wall to wall wall travel uh oh right I was going to explain to you when she's in heat like make no mistake for where this is a long tangent on June but I just feel like most people don't understand this character so we might as well do it in this video uh 42 is the best whiff punish in the game so why is that it's because there's no execution you just press 42 and it's very fast and it has like infinite reach so you see any whiff from like range too you just do that and it's mid and it also hits very low it even hits grounded so what this means is that if your opponent whiffs an attack where they recover close to the ground which is a lot of characters these days they have a lot of evasion this move is never beaten by evasion electric is beaten by evasion a lot of down for tws and hop kicks are beaten by evasion this move is never beaten by evasion if you whiff something this will launch you H and then June can make this move safe she can sort of bail out of it by pressing one plus two this is safe on block this is really important this is a heat engager and when she's in heat this knocks down but more importantly he can dash out right for Gigantic damage and a gigantic combo but what so what makes this so busted well she'll do she'll commit to this long range [ __ ] uh like this and if you block this you'll take a ton of Chip and as you blocked it I will on reaction just block confirm and not dash out of it so I'll stay safe and take this chip but I do give up my turn but if it hits our reaction I'll heat dash out of it and you're now launched so I have like this Infinity reach chip launcher to unbeatable launcher pretty much to to threaten you with and if you block no problem but if it's hit I'll confirm and I'll take the biggest combo you've ever [ __ ] seen so that that's what a lot of a lot of June players don't get that they just heat burst and mindlessly do this but uh she has a lot of heat utility uh as well um uh but yeah I feel like it's it's just there's no execution it's super easy it's super brain dead it's so abusable it's so dumb Estus alone sort of puts her here uh it's a super dumb character for all intents and purposes uh so I'm going to put her there uh Z it's a tough one uh least played character in the game outside of Kum so a lot of people just uh you just win because no one knows what to what to do against you uh I mean I lose to the I I lost I lose to frame Whisperer I'm I'm trying to play King of course which is lately which is tough against zafina now because she's always on the ground so I can't threaten with my fro and I have pretty lackluster tools to try and hit her out of it but uh yeah frame Whisperer uh and I can just feel how this is my fault I don't know a matchup but he is throwing a lot of fake pressure my way with uh evasive stance into low pokes you've seen this a million times uh zafina player um they basically do a low with a lot of evasion to get in on you oh sorry I don't need heat for this they do something like this and then they just start chipping at your legs have you ever seen this before or they do a Power Crush or we keep moving like this and now you I can check with with king I don't know what to do but when I when I play kazia I check you with down for four and it slaps her out of that which you have to do you have to do it uh uh please keep it respectful to frame in the chat don't start any [ __ ] garbage mods please ban that [ __ ] garbage thank you um but uh the thing is when when you look at her tools and if you know a counter play she's kind of [ __ ] trash in this game she's trash uh her Infinity reach mid was hidden behind STS just like Leroy's hell sweep so you have to go into scarecrow to access back one plus two down three remains good but they remove for for fre is no longer a counter laer oh oh no I did right thing this was lost and oh God can I can I do a key charge thanks toxic me this is no longer a counter vure uh and ford4 two is no longer a counter launcher like all of this really [ __ ] adds up for for zafina grab human gifted a tier one sub to too sexy to be real they have given five Subs in the channel uh I no you know what I'm being an idiot no wait no I didn't Place her yet now she has to be put into easy it it just has to because I've labed the character a lot still frame can outplay me by doing very basic flow charts I don't know the character enough I I need to let that's my fault I need to lab her more but she's just so zafina is so again it's a really weak character on paper but she's so carried by the fact of the unfamiliarity it almost turns into the kuma situ situation where 99 it just you know what the unfamiliarity aspect is so [ __ ] high the knowledge check it just it speaks volumes that ARS Ash and a but 5050 with her snake Edge 28 frame right it's a it's a legit snake Edge and they know people are so trash at this matchup that they D ding who has Lightning Fast reflexes gets [ __ ] 5050 by is it this or this I mean now you know people don't know your [ __ ] matchup so what do you think is going to happen in rank when people start [ __ ] you up with this garbage right what do you think is going to happen in rank they get away with [ __ ] murder but still the character on paper is significantly weaker than in Tekken 7 in a game where everyone is juicing up and doing you know testosterone or tremolo like uh that's that's just a fact but the unfamiliar the unfamiliar big word for Joe Biden the unfamiliarity aspect is going to carry you so hard but still it's not super easy getting the most out of her stances but [ __ ] is she I'm tempted to put her in very easy due to all of this but I'm I'm going to put her in EAS easy because in high level play it's going to be a struggle uh and now we are at Kaza and Kaza is going to go into very difficult for me yep yeah he's biased I know it's my main I'm sorry get ready of course he's super difficult I play him uh I don't know should I do the speech I've done a million times uh relies on very strong movement very high execution um the biggest execution hurdle he has in this game is that anything that's minus 15 he has to Electric it otherwise he does this or he's going to punish a rage chart with a throw even Elite even the best Mishima players in the world like dualist punish fro uh punish rarts with fros that's how diff difficult it is to punish this is Du due to the block stagger being very awkward you can't buffer electrics so you need to wait until the exact frame theyve recovered and the block stagger is different depending on the r art so it's like mission impossible so people just do this to keep it very basic and clean you know it's difficult when you see I I've seen I Richi drop a down for to punish on a on a rart uh outside of that level of skill uh execution you have a very straightforward game plan everyone knows exactly what you're trying to do and that's a problem uh you have to be unpredictable with the most predictable play style in the game loses hard to side steps H double fist is there to try and correct for this but it's still minus don't get me wrong this move is a god Buton but it's still minus8 on block no minus 9 I lose my turn and you can step it like Lily can step this easily and a lot of wles and Raina but most actors are going to struggle stepping this you need to time it very properly uh K has no Panic buttons uh this comes quite close but kazia Kia's biggest problem is that he's quite defensive in a game that's hyper aggressive and with chip damage on top of that so people bum rush kazia players kazia players block and then the kazia player must know every match up in the game otherwise he's not going to do well he's going to know when he ducks and does this when he s side steps and does this this and now it's Kia's turn and now it's Kia's game because Kia's Oki is twice as good in this game and again I'm not trying to downplay kazia Kaza I've been underrating him like uh I've said it quite a few times now if I made a tier list now he he's A+ he's not s here but he's high up Kaz is very strong in my opinion uh the more I thought about it the more I've labed the other characters I'm not trying to downplay this character this character is disgusting Oki and most kazia players don't even understand understand how strong he is they don't understand how tough this how unbeatable this this is the best house seep in the game it's not devil jins people think it's devil jins it's kazas due to what this this does and again when he's devil this heat is almost better than Devil Jin I'm I'm almost inclined to say it is because uh you know you talk about oh my God it's if it's psycho Crusher well what the [ __ ] is this like okay it doesn't have as much reach as the psycho Crusher and it's not homing but it's pretty [ __ ] close and then his hell sweep is straight up better than devil jins anytime he lands a heat engager on you he's plus 17 and he threatens you with a better mixup and Double J with no heat expenditure I do aord for threee and you have to guess because you're at- 17 this uses no heat and it's minus three un block this is pretty good um and Van when he dable yeah hell sweep is stupid strong Oki is stupid strong his chip damage and frames at the wall are pretty absurd uh he has the best flash punch in the game now now that they Nerf devil J D back four in a game with nerfed low paries this move is pretty much broken it also flips on the ground for disgusting o uh masu Tech is super strong masu Tech is super strong um no this this character is really really good he's uh he's really good he's not the best Mishima Raina is the best Mishima followed by Jinn and then Devil Jin and kazia are sort of tied but I almost want to say kazia I think what we count as strengths on Devil Jin far too much of it is a little bit gimmicky like morning Crow uh and charge up punch Etc um I'm just trying to say but I'm I'm not and down one plus two is very good I'm not I'm not downplaying kazia he's very good but he remains very difficult to play he's very very tough to play and requires a lot of matchup knowledge but when you have that and you know how to mix people up and read how people like to wake up how people like to block yeah you have a crazy character and a lot also a lot of kazia players we don't understand but Oki after here when you when you threaten a laser here or you threaten a double fist if they Crouch um no this this character is very very strong and again like he's the only character now who has a while standing for Team Kia is the only character who can do this and then when you learn to do the right combos it hurts and now into insane Oki right um it took me a while to understand this character but when you do like this this this is a very strong character he's not s tier like Raina is significantly stronger but he he's A+ he's very good but he's also very hard to play he is very hard to play so that's why he's up there uh next up is cladio uh cloudo is designed to be easy he has such devastating snowball kazia is one of the best snowballs in the game like sorry I just need to mention this when I play kazia it it doesn't matter if I haven't hit you once I'm at down to 20% health I know that I'm one heat engager away or one hell sweep away or one Ford for or or devil fist away one for for three away from just [ __ ] bomb rushing you with momentum like bomb rushing you with momentum um designed to be easy but I I can say very easy uh cloudo problem is being too honest in a more dishonest game any character that plays too much like their Tekken s counterpart I think has problems in this game because everyone has really Juiced up mixups and and Larger than Life attacks but uh he doesn't wait what am I looking for cladio is so boring I forget about him he must be up there yes get ready for the next battle uh so in a game where everyone is very different and everyone's doing much very enhanced stuff cloud is still pretty much you know back one Sid step for or this or this or this has anything truly changed about this character he changes a little bit when he goes into heat because now he he gets a big low right a heat smash ser and it's minus 14 which is nice but I don't think that's enough to to scare people away from just blocking your absurd stuff you just don't block him Sid step 4 is pretty slow on Startup due to having to side step very tough to play hey yeah must you have a best H kick in the game which which is pretty spammable but you don't have dumb bum rush pressure like someone like Alysa you you just don't you don't have crazy double back flip power Crush into chainsaw into low mid low mid low mid string Cloud cloudia keeps it too clean oh I think you're going to duck I think you're going to stand I think you're going to press he he keeps it too clean I think to be a very easy character and his heat is just not as good as we thought it was it's not as dumb as we thought it was Shaheen is the same it's a little bit like Shaheen yeah he's not a very easy character but he's certainly designed to be easy uh Korean pepper thanks for three months uh Brian I think is the most difficult character in the game if I were to rank these uh um if the yeah if this was the most difficult that's how I would rank them uh I think Brian is the most difficult in the game and Brian is excruciatingly painful to play in this game get ready for the next battle 80 damage wall combo yeah exactly like Brian Flo in this game is going to be basically launch you do good combo slap you on wall heat burst to a big combo and hope that doesn't happen because that's very annoying when it does it's RNG unfortunately let's trve that again yeah this is Brian life this summarizes Brian in this game try again now it's it's literally RNG but this is what we want to do we we do a combo take them to the wall we heat burst do his big wall combo with dick dick dick dick and now on wake up we have Brian's legendary wall pressure and if if we have a lot of skill we can try to do the heat Dash on block which does which does a significant amount of uh chip uh chip and then here we have 18 frames to set up a taunt and we get a guaranteed taunt on most of you this is going to be guaranteed because you have no clue what to do but this is this is beaten universally by doing an up forward one so for one and the taunt will connect like a wall hit like this and you'll be out of a situation um but most of you are not going to know that but even if you don't know about that this is really [ __ ] hard to do because the taunt timing is actually different here when he dashes here it's a very weird timing uh I felt this and all of the great Brian players will tell you the same thing it's really awkward getting the taunt back for here but yeah it's very powerful it's just super [ __ ] hard to do uh but that's what Brian has going for for himself in this game because everything else is in my opinion uh Tekken 7 Brian but weaker and more honest uh Tekken 7 Brian had a really nice panic button in this and it's gone no longer launcher no longer a launcher no longer a launcher uh no longer a launcher his magic 4 does nothing uh you know a lot of other characters it's like well you'll get something if you just commit to two hits with Brian it's no such thing it's just removed completely uh every other character gets uh sorry I'm trying to speak sorry uh oh thanks for Subs guys every other character gets in heat a 50/50 that obliterates you it's no such thing with Brian Brian it's just it's like Jin it's just like no heat no real heat utility uh he'll do the Neo Soul eraser which is gimmicky I know you hate it but it's still gimmicky loses to Sid stepping um I'm talking about high level here uh and then he just yeah he's going to he's going to threaten you with that that that when he's in heat uh wait and try and get a combo but uh painfully simplistic heat you're playing Tekken 7 if you're in heat you're playing Tekken 7 if you are in neutral Brian you're playing Tekken 7 and a weaker version at that you rely on your keep out hope they come in hope you have much better counter it timing than they do and that you're not getting murdered by asusa because you don't have Panic buttons really you're going to rely on trying to get a counter hit you're going to set up your frames with a new corser % inconsistent if if your opponent does the right side Roll by mashing the two button it will never connect uh it's not real uh it's just that no one knows the counterplay that that's why you think it's uh uh oh God I can't see the options see side roll I hear it connect side roll left exactly it's side roll right oh no uh I'm I'm not wrong and now it looks like I'm a rebar I'm not wrong uh you don't side roll H sorry it's I'm I'm Joe Biden here sidey roll has nothing to do with this you don't sidey roll that knockdown uh you Tech roll the knockdown uh go where are the tech rolls it's side it's side C there we go Okay sidey C me right yeah did I just blow your mind this this will now never connect it will never cor connect yeah I I do this no Brian don't land this on me anymore and we just completely waste for heat burst like heat burst is a is what is the best get off me tool in the game if you feel pressured boom armored start up plus one un Block it's the best get off me tool in the game and Brian's just wasted here but again most people don't know about this so you have to mash the the the triangle button uh uh two button how to do side K but I just told you mash next time a Brian lands this on you you know what's coming start mashing the two button and you'll get out of it yeah uh yeah Brian doesn't really have anything and even his 50/50 is a subar like this this hat [ __ ] it's just I don't know it's just considering what all of the characters can do in this game this is slow he keeps his back straight he gets checked out of it uh yeah I granted uh here I'm not saying he's a weak character but I think he's like mid tier he's mid mid tier uh he's just way too honest he has way too little [ __ ] he relies 100% on outplaying the opponent in timing and mind games 100% And you need you need to work so hard to get someone in a super aggressive game to start respecting you so you can start throwing Hatchet uh and also suffers having a weak throw game only has a one plus two break that's bad um yeah uh it just excruciatingly difficult to play and again the execution required to do the good stuff like ta J upper you don't need but you need Taun back forth oh I can't do it you need to be able to do this and then I'll probably do something basic like that um but uh yeah I think Brian is the most difficult in the game uh and then oh my God Victor Victor and alisar the only two characters I I just one 100% disapprove of I I hate them they're the only characters I hate now when I see them on the loading screen I I I almost want to al4 but I take it up the ass you know I'm a good boy I bend over get ready for the next battle I think like with with everything stupid there is to say about this character and dear Lord there's there's a lot of stupid [ __ ] right it's this move it's this move alone that wrecks this character and makes him the most unfun [ __ ] to play against this this is the culprit like with everything stupid this ever [ __ ] can do and there's a lot of dumb [ __ ] right there's a lot of dumb [ __ ] he can do um so much dumb [ __ ] but it it all boils down to to this move uh so what's the problem with this attack uh this is is while running and again in a game where while Runnings are significant L easier to do it knocks down and does 30 damage 30 damage it has a lot of reach uh I'm a [ __ ] reard if it counter hits it does enormous damage and you are now launched like in gigantic [ __ ] damage I'm happy to say I don't remember how to combo with this [ __ ] but you know this is going to hurt like crazy like you can already see that's going to be significant damage he's a scrub killer is way more than a scrub killer due to this move if you think this is a scrub killer you don't know what you're talking about and so while running two on block is is plus five and it chips so as you can see if I keep blocking this he's plus five at an advantage and look at look at Shaheen's health now the real problem now it I mean we've already listed a lot of problems on this attack it the problem is it tracks quite significantly the counter play to Victor is sidewalk right like if you have Pro if you think you know and he's going to do X if you sidewalk right you will beat that every time but then the problem is you're but now you're going to the this that's in stad but that's another story um but the problem is any decent Victor is going to check you with this and just randomly as you're trying to step this will hit you don't get me wrong you can get the side step on it you know but randomly it feels like it tracks you and you get knocked down and you you end up in this Vortex um and then yeah you block this and then he sets up his [ __ ] [ __ ] with a safe counter it launcher one plus two uh or just all only you'll do another while running to or you'll do a safe uh safe heat engager power Crush that's super fast and it w SP course if you try and challenge yet if you try and challenge my frames I have a I have a safe heat engag here power here's your combo from your Victor climb honey launcher into df3 comma 4 df4 comma 2 E2 df4 comma 2 e1a 2A 2 that's for combo nah that can't be the combo yeah that can't be the combo uh but that should work though wait what uh uh wait do I need do I need to MH I don't remember after the combo with him uh but it's it's mostly this move but I mean exposion is complete [ __ ] no this move is complete [ __ ] it's just super evasive he immediately disappears like just disappears from the screen comes down with a death fist a [ __ ] death fist that is what like minus three on loock or something minus four and look at the chip damage like look at the damage when he just [ __ ] blocks it and it hits ground then and I'm minus four minus four thank God it does w SP at least exp and uh when when he comes down with the blade uh it's very different from normal expulsion a lot of people don't know this but uh normal expulsion is only one hit and that's launch punishable it's minus 20 the reason the second one the heat one gets uh new properties is due to an explosion that follows the blade so he hits with the BL and then there's an explosion and the it's the explosion that makes it minus 4 and gives it the damage but more importantly the explosion is an AOE it's an AOE but tracks more than it should you you can't see this on the explosion hit box but it's not as easy as to say simply side step right like if you're stepping that uh if you just keep walking it won't hit you but if you expect to be able to step or sidewalk into a guard and for this to to to be enough it's not going to be enough you have to keep walking will you shut up hell group uh or or or it's going to blow you up because again on guard you take significant damage uh so you have to you have to keep sidewalking um yeah but again you would have to know when he does exposion etc but I I hate this character he super brain dead uh biggest carry in the game outside of Alysa uh and now we're going to do ASA ASA is going to go into easy she's not very easy oh man and this is the final list so let's just discuss ASA and V Al do in conclusion uh ah she has to be here get ready for the next battle uh okay let's see so uh Asuka is basically don't ever try and hit me uh it's a little bit like what Lee can do Paul plays a bit similar Brian plays similar with his Keep Out 3 four orbital but she's probably one of the strongest versions of it although if she is predictable she takes risks like back free is punishable at minus 19 even though she can a mix up you have to know the appropriate punish a smart asabo will will stand right here but they'll never do it here they'll stand like right here and hope you press into it um Advent down for two is pretty strong um Canan is pretty strong uh her Parry lasts [ __ ] forever uh this is a strong power Crush for one plus two infinite range safe un block this one of these brain de power and um so she she's easy in that regard a lot of people don't know how to punish her you mindlessly throw this [ __ ] so easy archetype if in a game where people love to mash you have a million ex DPS and you just throw them like this and you get easy ranks you know you're living V dream W's everywhere but now you find yourself in high ranks and now you have to be ready to take a 15in Goliath SCH long up the ass basically if this high level player knows the matchup and chances are they know the matchup because where Lee can now break guards in this game you you can't you can hope for them to have weak throw breaks because you have a two throw and you have a one plus two throw but outside of that you have weak poking I mean it's okay but it's weak you have quite weak strings quite gimmicky shitty strings uh and then yeah you know what we're going to do weasa players we're going to try and 50/50 with this but lackluster reach 1 plus two has lackluster reach as you can see lackluster reach lackluster reach she she now has to go all the way in on you I hope she doesn't get countered by gibberish and now she can apply this mix up but again it's just not a very good mixup it's risky um she has you know to break her frows if you see a one plus two startup you press 1 plus two if you see any other throw you just press the two button and you'll beat that throw and you'll beat default you'll beat the default throws as well uh her offense is just very lackluster and this is why she is a low tier character in this game uh because when we make tier lists we think a lot about the highest level of play and ASA in high level play is just uh it's just not very good it's not super bad Iver because when she is in heat you have you have some pretty nice options um you're still low TI in Tekken 8 you're not low to in Tekken Tag one you still have some stuff it's just that when we compare this stuff to the other characters it's uh it's pretty lackluster but she's still so I wouldn't say she's as easy as these characters she still needs good timing to see when you are pressing and when she can throw her shenanigans at you she's designed to be easy there's no execution and the exts are very strong but uh there there's more work uh to be done than these characters and these characters are too strong uh holy [ __ ] I don't know how long I talked here okay so I'm just going to see if I'm happy with this around 3 hours oh [ __ ] uh was it 4 hours you talk more about my girlfriend well I hope so uh your girlfriend doesn't talk to you probably because you're you're a Jeffrey dmer looking [ __ ] so I certainly hope so yeah um 9:45 start 9:45 oh so it's fre hours if it was 9:45 um I would say that's accurate accurate no I'll stand by this Nina could go to intermediate yeah I think Nina should go to intermediate yeah yeah she does uh yeah that that made no sense to be honest she should be higher [Music] uh yeah I couldn't have done a better job to be honest h i mean this I mean this perfectly represents at least how how I see things so uh super nice I'm really happy with this uh Lily is harder than King yeah she is I would say so may ask why Ry Raina is higher than Yoshi no I've just been talking about this for three hours you're you're going to have to watch this on YouTube because I need to rest my [ __ ] voice okay

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