TEDxBoulder - Thad Roberts - Visualizing Eleven Dimensions

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Wait, your friend is Thad Roberts, aka Orb Robinson (but many other sources out there), NASA intern who stole a safe full of moon rocks, tried to sell them to an FBI sting, and incidentally contaminated them and destroyed associated notes and data stored with them? And also stole dinosaur bones from a museum? And came up with all this while doing serious federal time?

Sweet!

👍︎︎ 19 👤︎︎ u/sreyemhtes 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

Your friend may not realise this, because most amateur scientists do not, but he is--frankly--full of shit.

I commend him for his interest in physics, it is certainly a fascinating subject, but it seems he was educated in popular science books and magazines. It is at least clear this is the source of his knowledge of quantum mechanics and general relativity.

Now, this talk is for a public audience, so I don't know if he has done any of the math behind what he says, but I doubt he has, for the following reasons.

He talks about the ball on a stretchable sheet analogy of GR as if it were how physicists think of the theory. "We no longer need to wonder about the z direction," he says. I couldn't help but laugh at this point. Like so many amateur scientists, he is refuting a strawman, which is really too bad. GR is a far more elegant theory than his.

Here's another example. He talks about quantum mechanics as if the way quantum mechanics works is a nondeterminism that can be solved by moving to higher dimensions. This is certainly false. The uncertainty principle comes from the existence of non-commuting linear operators on all vector spaces of dimension at least 2 (I bet most of you could prove this). There is no way to avoid it if you agree that observables are not single dimensional objects. You can only rid yourself of Heisenberg by simplifying your universe, no matter how many dimensions you add.

He also talked about how temperature is the cause of a phase change and related it to his geometry. This is not the source of temperature. Temperature is a change in energy with entropy. Even if he is simplifying for his audience, why would he say something plainly wrong in the modern understanding without noting it?

Further, in what kind of frame does "superspace" exist? Why do we need "supertime"? What does it look like? Importantly, since this is key to his argument of why time dilation still holds, why is time the oscillation of spheres and why are oscillations slowed by clumping particles together. In real life, density increases the number of collisions and thus the number of oscillations, including fundamental breathing modes. Also changing the pressure while sound is moving through it causes a frequency dependent change that is not at all the same as doppler.

The whole thing is needlessly contrived. I say contrived not because it is complicated, but because it is unmotivated. Theorists don't trudge blindly into equations. We look for a beautiful mathematical concept called naturality. Quantum mechanics and GR are both very natural extensions to classical mechanics, and can be motivated mathematically. Similarly string theory, noncommutative geometry, and loop quantum gravity are natural extensions of those.

If theorists sat around and came up with theories at random, then calculating what the results would be, we would never get anywhere. We need to look at past theories, current results, and then to mathematics to find natural generalizations or extensions to old concepts.

Nontheorists of reddit, please don't be fooled by these people. Even if you have no idea what's going on, try to watch an actual physics seminar to see what new theories are actually like. Read some of the arxiv, some survey papers are pretty readable. Learn quantum mechanics! It's got 3 rules you apply ad infinitum with a little help of freshman math. You'll be a much better person for it. Tell your friend to do so as well. Maybe next time he can show me a lagrangian or two. Maybe a metric!

I'm rambling. Oh well.

👍︎︎ 34 👤︎︎ u/slepton 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

My friend Paul's extra-dimensonal theory was presented in a dope-filled student apartment. There's no justice.

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/christianjb 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

IANA physicist (physics and maths student though), but I do have plenty of experience with cranks. This fellow is clearly working in good faith - more than can be said for most armchair physicists - but his theory looks like bunk to me.

It seems he's just manipulating concepts set forth in popular, mass-market physics books, without actually understanding or doing any math or experiments to back up his claims.

No offense to your friend, but what he's got is more aptly described as wild speculation, rather than a coherent 'theory'. Tell him to study some mathematics, and then apply it to his ideas, and perhaps he'll have something a bit more convincing.

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/Proudhon 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

Very interesting.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Jan 20 2011 🗫︎ replies

I commented on this yesterday. Overnight I got madder and madder.

I'm just fuming about it because:

There he was with his pals -- interning at NASA. What a fucking opportunity. How many people in this reddit would kill for a chance like that at 22 years old? And what did they think to do? Steal. And not just steal from NASA -- steal from you and me (our tax dollars), steal from humanity (irreplaceable loss of data) and steal from every other kid who might deserve a chance like they had (yeah, lets get some more interns, sure...)

And he stole other shit too -- dinosaur fossils. He didn't even have the gumption to go steal them from a dig or a known deposit in the field -- he fucking stole them from a museum.

But beyond the essential question of why would you ever trust the words of a scumbag liar and thief, he's just gross in a new-age me generation way. What a fucker. Read his website. It's the smuggest thing I have ever seen. Not even a hint of recognition that he did something wrong.

In some parallel 11 dimensional universe I have deterministically smashed his nose in.

Plus, he's sort of killed TED for me. Even though this isn't really TED it still somehow jumps the shark. Hey there TED --if you are interested in cashing in by licensing your good name, put some freaking quality control in place.

The best thing you can say about this spoiled smug egocentric asshole is that he makes the life and work of Garrett Lisi look disciplined and plausible by comparison.

Fuck.

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/sreyemhtes 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

According to his idea the coldest places in the universe would show the phenomena of dark matter because quantized space is condensed.

When something gets cold enough its geometric arrangement will change.

If this is true we could control gravity with temperature to some degree. I've never seen any relation between gravity and temperature.

I'm very interested to know if quantized matter could be faking the red shift, that sounds cool. But a static universe makes me uneasy.

Fantastic idea though. It sounds really fun and I'd prefer this to be true over string theory. This could be explained and understood by a 12 year old, advances would come quicker.

But like cold fusion i don't accept my "theory of everything" without intense scrutiny, peer review and observable data.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/Eukaryotic27 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

Can he explain the experimental violation of Bell's inequality?

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies

The results from the Fermilab Holometer experiment (http://holometer.fnal.gov/) will conceivably lend a lot of credence to a theory like this.

I'm waiting with baited breath to hear the results.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/czdl 📅︎︎ Jan 21 2011 🗫︎ replies
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Transcriber: Robert Tucker Reviewer: Ariana Bleau Lugo Does anybody here happen to be interested in other dimensions? (Applause) Alright. Well, thank you all for your time... and your space. (Laughter) Good, I'm glad that one worked here. Alright. Imagine a world whose inhabitants live and die believing only in the existence of two spatial dimensions. A plane. These Flatlanders are going to see some pretty strange things happen; things that are impossible to explain within the constraints of their geometry. For example, imagine that one day, some Flatlander scientists observe this: A set of colorful lights that appear to randomly appear in different locations along the horizon. No matter how hard they try to make sense of these lights, they'll be unable to come up with a theory that can explain them. Some of the more clever scientists might come up with a way to probabilistically describe the flashes. For example, for every 4 seconds, there's 11% chance that a red flash will occur somewhere on the line. But no Flatlander will be able to determine exactly when or where the next red light will be seen. As a consequence, they start to think that the world contains a sense of indeterminacy, that the reason these lights cannot be explained, is that at the fundamental level nature just doesn't make sense. Are they right? Does the fact that they were forced to describe these lights probabilistically actually mean that the world is indeterministic? The lesson we can learn from Flatland is that when we assume only a portion of nature's full geometry, deterministic events can appear fundamentally indeterministic. However, when we expand our view and gain access to the full geometry of the system, indeterminacy disappears. As you can see, we can now determine exactly when and where the next red light will be seen on this line. We are here tonight to consider the possibility that we are like the Flatlanders. Because, as it turns out, our world is riddled with mysteries that just don't seem to fit inside the geometric assumptions we have made. Mysteries like warped space-time, black holes, quantum tunneling the constants of nature, dark matter, dark energy, etc. The list is quite long. How do we respond to these mysteries? Well, we have two choices: We can either cling to our previous assumptions, and invent new equations that exist somehow outside of the metric, as a vague attempt to explain what's going on, or we could take a bolder step, throw out our old assumptions, and construct a new blueprint for reality. One that already includes those phenomena. It's time to take that step. Because we are in the same situation as the Flatlanders. The probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics has our scientists believing that deep down, the world is indeterminant. That the closer we look, the more we will find that nature just doesn't make sense. Hmm... Perhaps all of these mysteries are actually telling us that there's more to the picture. That nature has a richer geometry than we have assumed. Maybe the mysterious phenomena in our world could actually be explained by a richer geometry, with more dimensions. This would mean that we are stuck in our own version of Flatland. And if that's the case, how do we pop ourselves out? At least conceptually? Well, the first step is to make sure that we know exactly what a dimension is. A good question to start with is: What is it about x, y and z that makes them spatial dimensions? The answer is that a change in position in one dimension does not imply a change in position in the other dimensions. Dimensions are independent descriptors of position. So z is a dimension because an object can be holding still in x and y while it's moving in Z. So, to suggest that there are other spatial dimensions is to say that it must be possible for an object to be holding still in x, y and z, yet still moving about in some other spatial sense. But where might these other dimensions be? To solve that mystery, we need to make a fundamental adjustment to our geometric assumptions about space. We need to assume that space is literally and physically quantized, that it's made of interactive pieces. If space is quantized, then it cannot be infinitely divided into smaller and smaller increments. Once we get down to a fundamental size, we cannot go any further and still be talking about distances in space. Let's consider an analogy: Imagine we have a chunk of pure gold that we mean to cut in half over and over. We can entertain two questions here: How many times can we cut what we have in half? and: How many times can we cut what we have in half and still have gold? These are two completely different questions, because once we get down to one atom of gold, we cannot go any further without transcending the definition of gold. If space is quantized, then the same thing applies. We cannot talk about distances in space that are less than the fundamental unit of space for the same reason we cannot talk about amounts of gold that are less than 1 atom of gold. Quantizing space brings us to a new geometric picture. One like this, where the collection of these pieces, these quanta, come together to construct the fabric of x, y and z. This geometry is eleven-dimensional. So if you're seeing this, you already got it. It's not gonna be beyond you. We just need to make sense of what's going on. Notice that there are three distinct types of volume and all volumes are three-dimensional. Distance between any two points in space becomes equal to the number of quanta that are instantaneously between them. The volume inside each quantum is interspatial, and the volume that the quanta move about in is superspatial. Notice how having perfect information about x, y, z position, only enables us to identify a single quantum of space. Also notice that it's now possible for an object to be moving about interspatially or superspatially without changing its x, y, z position at all. This means that there are 9 independent ways for an object to move about. That makes 9 spatial dimensions. 3 dimensions of x, y, z volume, 3 dimensions of superspatial volume, and 3 dimensions of interspatial volume. Then we have time, which can be defined as the whole number of resonations experienced at each quantum. And super-time allows us to describe their motion through super-space. OK, I know this is a whirlwind, a lot faster than I'd like to do it, because there are so many details we can go into. But there's a significant advantage to being able to describe space as a medium that can possess density, distortions and ripples. For example, we can now describe Einstein's curved space-time without dimensionally reducing the picture. Curvature is a change in the density of these space quanta. The denser the quanta get, the less they can freely resonate so they experience less time. And in the regions of maximum density, and the quanta are all packed completely together, like in black holes, they experience no time. Gravity is simply the result of an object traveling straight through curved space. Going straight through x, y, z space means both your left side and your right side travel the same distance, interact with the same number of quanta. So, when a density gradient exists in space, the straight path is the one that provides an equal spatial experience for all parts of a traveling object. OK, this is a really big deal. If you've ever looked at a graph of Einstein curvature before, space-time curvature, you may have not noticed that one of the dimensions was unlabeled. We assumed we took a plane of our world and anytime there was mass in that plane we'll stretch it; if there was more mass, we stretch it more, to show how much curvature there is. But what's the direction we're stretching in? We got rid of the z dimension. We blow over that every single time in our books. Here, we didn't have to get rid of the z dimension. We got to show curvature in its full form. And this is a really big deal. Other mysteries that pop out of this map, like quantum tunneling – Remember our Flatlanders? Well, they'll see a red light appear somewhere on the horizon and then it'll disappear, and as far as they're concerned, it's gone from the universe. But if a red light appears again somewhere else on the line, they might call it quantum tunneling, The same way when we watch an electron, and then it disappears from the fabric of space and reappears somewhere else, and that somewhere else can actually be beyond the boundary that it's not supposed to be able to get beyond. OK? Can you use this picture now? To solve that mystery? Can you see how the mysteries of our world can transform into elegant aspects of our new geometric picture? All we have to do to make sense of those mysteries is to change our geometric assumptions, to quantize space. OK, this picture also has something to say about where the constants of nature come from; like the speed of light, Planck's constant, the gravitational constant and so on. Since all units of expression, Newtons, Joules, Pascals, etc, can be reduced to five combinations of length, mass, time, ampere and temperature, quantizing the fabric of space, means that those five expressions must also come in quantized units. So, this gives us five numbers that stem from our geometric map. Natural consequences of our map, with units of one. There's two other numbers in our map. Numbers that reflect the limits of curvature. Pi can be used to represent the minimum state of curvature, or zero curvature, while a number we are calling zhe, can be used to represent the maximum state of curvature. The reason we now have a maximum is because we've quantized space. We can't infinitely continue to go on. What do these numbers do for us? Well, this long list here is the constants of nature, and if you've noticed, even though they're flying by pretty fast, they're all made up of the five numbers that come from our geometry and the two numbers that come from the limits of curvature. That's a really big deal by the way, to me it's a really big deal. This means that the constants of nature come from the geometry of space; they're necessary consequences of the model. OK. This is a lot of fun because there are so many punch lines, it's hard to know exactly who's going to get caught where. But, this new map, allows us to explain gravity, in a way that's totally conceptual now, you get the whole picture in your head, black holes, quantum tunneling, the constants of nature, and in case none of those caught your fancy, or you've never heard of any of them before, you've definitely just barely heard about dark matter and dark energy. Those too are geometric consequences. Dark matter, when we look at distant galaxies, and watch the stars that orbit about in those galaxies, the stars out at the edges are moving too fast, they seem to have extra gravity. How do we explain this? Well, we couldn't, so we say there must be some other matter there, creating more gravity, making those effects. But we can't see the matter. So we call it dark matter. And we define dark matter as something you can't see! Which is fine, it's a good step, it's a good start, but here in our model we didn't have to take that kind of a leap. We took a leap, we said space is quantized, but everything else fell out from that. Here, we're saying, space is made up of fundamental parts, just the same way we believe air is made out of molecules. If that's true, then an automatic requirement is you can have changes in density, this is where gravity comes from, but you should also have phase changes. And what stimulates a phase change? Well, temperature. When something gets cold enough, its geometric arrangement will change, and it will change phase. A change in the density here, at the outer regions of the galaxies, is going to cause a gravitational field, because that's what gravitational fields are, they're changes in density. OK? Totally skipped through all that. And now we'll go to dark energy, in 15 seconds. When we look out into the cosmos, we see that distant light is red shifted, OK? That it loses some of its energy as it's traveling to us for billions of years. Now how do we explain that red shift? Well, currently we say it means the universe is expanding. OK? All of our claims that the universe is expanding come from this, from measurements of how the red shift changes, out of this distance to this distance to that distance. OK? And also we measure the expansion that way. But there's another way to explain red shift. Just like there'd be another way to explain how if I had a tuning fork tuned to middle C, and I went in a tunnel and you could hear... a B note. Sure, you could say it's because I'm moving away from you inside the tunnel, but it could also be because the pressure of the atmosphere is decreasing while the sound is traveling to your ear. Here, that seemed a little far fetched because atmospheric pressure doesn't decrease fast, but when we're talking billions of years of light traveling through space, all we need are the quanta themselves to have a small amount of inelasticity and red shift is imminent. Alright, there's a lot more to explore in this, because if you're interested, feel free to check out this website and give all the feedback you can. We're out of time so let me just say, that this blueprint gives us a mental tool, a tool that can expand the reach of our imagination, and, maybe, even respark the romanticism of Einstein's quest. Thank you. (Applause)
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