Supra vs Cayman vs M2 - Best usable sports car? | Everyday Driver TV Season 6

it doesn't really matter if you've driven the supra or not you already have an opinion i know you do if you're a car person and you've looked at the internet once in the past six months you have an opinion of whether the super is any good or not latoya and bmw started the project their collaboration was focused around two very important cars the z4 targeted the boxster the supra was going directly after the cayman they had to do a lot to bring this car back because they knew everybody would have an opinion about it but we've got the two benchmark cars you're watching everyday driver we make a tv show podcast and youtube channels dedicated to great cars driving adventures and helping you find a car you'll love subscribe and hit the bell so you don't miss a thing this is the porsche 718 km s the third generation of the cayman in the more powerful form and it's here because this is the benchmark that toyota chose for itself the 718 nomenclature is historic with the 550 the 718 from the 50s this channels all of those cars stylistically speaking and also as a way to introduce the flat 4 engine [Music] in the 718 porsche has taken the second generation of the cayman which was a beautiful car and just tightened up a bit [Music] the surfaces are actually flattening they're not quite as swollen what that's done is make the whole car appear flatter and wider and longer and the interior you might claim is boring but i think porsche wants to pull their cars back to more classic look they will stay relevant and look fine for longer this is a 80 90 000 car with the interior material of a gti everything else is good and you start driving and you won't notice but [Music] this is the bmw m2 competition the competition is just bmw speak for this is how we should have built the car in the first place even though bmw has the z4 to match the supra this is their better dedicated enthusiast hard driving platform [Music] i do love the purposeful aggressive look to this car the seating position in this is quite a bit higher and the cabin is very familiar you're going to see the instrument panel with the same kinds of shapes the m2 competition has added this all digital looking very cool gauge cluster that feels like the old traditional clocks it feels really high-end everything else here is a revised 2-series bmw because of course this is a bmw 2 series [Music] we are here today to compare two bmws in a portion [Music] i'm kidding it's the supra the return of the supra toyota really wants you to know how much this car is a toyota the problem is there are signs and placards and stampings in the metal that show you that it's a bmw back in 2012 tata san the chief engineer for this car was sent to bmw to work on a sports car project the ft-1 concept was all see-through vents and crazy arcs and as they put that styling on this smaller body you end up with these weird strakes and cuts that aren't actually usable vents the more you look at it though the better it gets and when you stand next to it it has an x-factor presence that really is compelling the gauge cluster feels like that's just this car but the infotainment system and this entire center stack is bmw from the prior generation [Music] the seats are excellent great all-day seats and you still don't slide around i love the flat six don't get me wrong but the power coming out of this you'd think ah only 350. when this turbo hits you're gone [Applause] this cayman is every bit as quick as both of those other two cars but it doesn't feel as powerful now it feels lighter on its feet than the other two but those feel like they've gotten more of a hammer hiding in them somewhere this just feels like all the power you ever expected traditionally with a porsche flat 6 you have to rev it out the more power you give it the higher you get the rev band the more you actually find the power that's there with these turbos that's all gone we're in turbo land now there's no waiting there's power all the time in the mid-range now that means it doesn't have as much character up high in fact it's kind of character-less when you get near redline but there is power in whatever gear you're in whenever you need it and if you keep it on boost which is what sport mode and sport plus really will do for you there's always power the revs increase when you stick it in sport mode and of course you've got the over boost function i'm one of those people that love the sound i love it for its history i love it that it differentiates the caimans from the 911. from an objective usability standpoint this flat 4 is better than the flat 6. you've got power more often it is more reliable in its output it is more powerful all of these are good things you've just lost some of the fun it's like the life of the party grew up had kids got a solid job became reliable and consistent and you're glad but you kind of miss the old days the engine is unique to the cayman but there's brakes from the 911 carrera there's a steering rack from the 911 turbo this like the m2 we have here is a six-speed manual but this is by far the best manual transmission it just feels correct whenever it slots into gear it gives you that solid reassurance the movements of the shifter are very positive the heel toe is actually perfect this is one of those six-speed gearboxes just makes you go yeah i should have got the manual all three of these cars interestingly have pulled parts from other cars to build them bmw has mastered the art of throwing all their parts onto a car and making something that is astounding traditional m2 as it came out had what was called the n55 engine which was an older motor for bmw this now has the s55 a different engine than the original bmw m2 it has a different engine than the bmw m240 it has a different engine than the bmw z4 and the super we have with us somebody at bmw's just taking engine darts and just chucking them at the product board it's gone up to 405 horsepower twin turbos on this engine i'm delighted by the power honestly and i think bmw's sandbagging us i think they're still under reporting the engine power because it feels like far more power than you'd ever believe it does have a great personality that actually grows in power toward the top of the red band which is something typically a naturally aspirated engine does this m2 maintains that but i'll also tell you this it doesn't feel faster than the supra it's kind of crazy it should feel faster than the supra it doesn't the m2 competition has a manual transmission there's a bit of a rubbery disconnect in the shift linkage but i think the spirit of the car is best suited with manual interestingly i don't feel the same way about the supra now i'm not sliding toyota for this i mean they are one of the biggest car makers in the world they probably could have done a supra by themselves but they wanted somebody who already had a good straight inline six engine it's the b-58 engine which is found in other cars and i think toyota's sandbagging us on this car too this is an engine that is rated depending upon whether you believe bmw with the z4 or toyota with the supra it's either 335 horsepower or 385 horsepower and they're both wrong this specific supra is owned by a guy who has a race performance shop they happen to be doing some dyno runs of one of their cars and for a joke with less than 100 miles on it they just thought let's put the super on and see what it does 400 i know everybody's going to tune the daylights out of it and they're lamenting the loss of the 2jz engine but here we are with this engine from bmw every time i drive the supra i'm continually glad that bmw and toyota got together to make this thing [Music] this has a single turbo straight six three liter from bmw the m2 has a dual turbo and yet this feels more ready to rocket you down the road at all times than the engine in the m2 when i first read that toyota had chosen an automatic transmission for their car i had to bite my tunnel surely they know what they're doing right indeed they do we've got this zf 8-speed automatic which is in almost any car you can buy now however this remains the best tuning of this cf transmission i've ever used [Music] it's almost as if toyota's transmission has been tuned like a pdk can think i'm astounded how well it shifts [Music] everyday driver is brought to you by covercraft use the code every day for 10 off your order [Music] in spite of the z4 sharing a chassis with that supra this m2 competition i think is the best focused sports car bmw makes right now the problem is bmw is traditionally a sedan maker in spite of the fact they've made plenty of two-doors over the years this is kind of sedan shaped isn't it they can slap two more doors on it call it a grand coupe bmw's engineers have taken the regular old m2 and the rear axle subframe is no longer attached to the car with rubber bushings it's bolted directly to the chassis they've also stiffened up everything about the front end on this car and they have enhanced the steering rack it feels like the luxury car done for handling even though this is a hot sports car this is a hardcore car but the problem is an initial immediate direction change there is a beat a tiny beat and then the car rotates it is bigger and heavier than these other two cars and you can feel it you actually sit up significantly higher even with the seat as low as it will go i'm sitting pretty high in this car now that makes my visibility frankly great so a bigger car with a higher seating position it just doesn't feel as engaged or precise or sports car dedicated as the other two but of course this is the only one that isn't a dedicated sports car chassis you got to throw it in and hold your line and it sticks but the wheels aren't telling me what the road surface is doing i'm not feeling as much those minute mid corner adjustments are here it's a problem that bmw struggled with ever since they left their great hydraulic steering racks this m2 for all of its excellent dynamics and how well it hangs on in a corner really tells you nothing here it there's there's just no information you can make the effort harder but you didn't get more info for your trouble as a result it has this fake steering heavy weight that doesn't tell me any of the information about what the tires are doing [Music] porsche has pulled the steering rack out of the 911 turbo the big daddy and stuffed it into this car it's still electromechanical but interestingly i no longer have any problems with electric power steering i'm feeling the undulations of the road i'm feeling the flex of the suspension after the completely numb steering feel of the bmw m2 this cayman is overwhelming you with great information and granular details about the rotation of the car this car is delicate oh it's precise throwing this into a corner you can actually find the mid engine working for you that initial turn in is excellent but what i love most about the cayman is how you can use the steering with the weight transfer of the car this has all of the best qualities of a mid-engine car where you can put your foot in it pretty early and you can get the back to settle for you and help you with rotation in a way that a front engine car just wants to send the back around it's really difficult to get this car fully out of shape now of course you could look at the corner come on that's perfect [Music] just under 3000 pounds with a manual transmission it's such the right recipe and it's the ringer because it's where the weights located the mid-engine configuration has lightened up the front of this car so much that it is the car with everything now wheelbase alone is not what makes a car handle well here you have something that is roughly the size of the cayman but you're sitting back over the back axle that completely changes not only the way you view the world but also the way the car rotates the wheelbase is the same as the cayman but the weights in the different place here i feel more the weight transfer but there's very little understeer they wanted this thing to rotate and it does it's near impossible to get mid-engine rotation out of a non-mid-engined car and toyota's got really close somehow bmw has built for toyota a car with better steering feel than they make for themselves the turn-in is quite a bit better than the m2 but it doesn't have nearly the feedback of the game it tracks precisely and what's great is it does have a lot of that mid-corner precise adjustment that the cayman has because bmw has started with this coupe it's the most usable car of all the three you can do the track thing you can do the commute thing with this car and for that reason i love the m2 competition this is a fantastic do-it-all and i think maybe the best car of this type being sold right now this two plus two almost sedan dead has a hidden hot car shape the cayman has gotten even better it's the slowest of all three of them but it's the most fun it's hard to find light chuckable cars in the modern time we've got so many safety things happening now that they've just gotten heavier and less informative the cayman remains talkative it remains a car that feels light on its feet and willing to do fun toyota knew what they were doing they knew they had a legacy and a history to reflect upon and they would get vilified if they didn't do something right at no point should you ever think uh it's an automatic and i don't want it because it won't drive so well it's not true if anybody tries to convince you of that they are not your friend i love that this supra is more than you expect the gearbox is better the engine is more powerful than it claims the steering actually has information that the bmws lack at every turn this car surprises me i'm not really sure what would affect more people if i say that the best bmw made as a toyota or the best toyota made right now is a bmw you're equally offended [Applause] i know what you're thinking wait a minute jackets and hats wasn't that a gorgeous sunny day it is a gorgeous sunny day but it's also fall in utah so it's a bit cold today i don't care we've got three amazing cars four star cars all three of them i would buy any of these cars if you bought it i'd say congratulations oh absolutely but we have to decide okay so we have to decide but first of all i want you to think about where these cars came from they've cribbed parts from all their siblings to make these cars you've got to decide which is best for your driving style and what suits you best yeah yeah but otherwise pick one and you're doing great the big thing i want to say here is supra versus cayman it is so close to being equivalent the only place that i debate whether or not the super should win this is because i don't think the cayman is a 15 20 000 more expensive car i don't think it is okay and i can't believe i'm going to say this because the m2 competition is fantastic it is and it's somehow third because somebody's got to be third i was fastest in that car on every drive-by we had yep i can feel it yeah but then there's these other two that are just pulling me away i'm amazed that i love the supra this much i've never felt the cayman dynamics in this because it's the same wheelbase they got close they really did but then again there's this m2 right here that i would happily take it is so finely sliced but the m2 was brilliant can you sense that driving these back to back makes the conclusion only get harder can you sense this this is one of the harder days by the way no it's not like i did this today come on this isn't a hard day it's hard decision making but this is not a hard day [Music] the m2 competition now does heroic things only sports cars should be able to do but the thing that holds them back is the lack of a genuine sports car chassis i like the usability it's fast i wish the gearbox felt like the porsches i'm being really picky to come up with those cons for the car because the truth is the m2 is a fantastic car that is ready for your track day and the carpool lane even though the super targeted the cayman this is still the benchmark it's still better but it's not much better and if you're talking about new prices oh that's super compelling [Music] i'm choosing this as my second car my second place car because of the wheelbase and it does similar things to what the cayman can do this is an amazing car they've done a really good job okay two companies work together all right it's got toyota badging and it's mostly a bmw but toyota got the better car out of the deal [Music] you

Channel: EverydayDriver

Views: 174,532

Rating: 4.9169374 out of 5

Keywords: Toyota Supra, BMW M2, Porsche Cayman, Comparison, Supra vs Cayman, Supra vs M2, Toyota Supra Porsche Cayman, Toyota Supra BMW M2, Toyota Supra vs competition, Best sports car, Best driving car, Everyday Driver, Throttle House, Straight Pipes

Id: w7Dqo7leTtY

Length: 20min 41sec (1241 seconds)

Published: Thu May 13 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/jetf]

is the cayman base interior that disappointing?

[u/wanakoworks]

I LOVE the Supra, but I'd take a Cayman over it any day.

[u/slacker346]

I want to like the Supra, but man, I haven't hit my head against the roof of a car (getting in) that hard in a long time, LOL. BAM. I'd have to work at it a bit to get in that car every day without giving myself a concussion.

[u/KCBassCadet]

After spending 2 days whipping a 718 Cayman S around Barber Motorsports Park and through an autocross....it is an incredible bargain and I cannot possibly imagine how I would choose a Supra or M2 over it. Unless 1) I can't afford the Cayman or 2) really need the additional utility of the M2.

[u/lickstampsendit]

I think the M2 is after a different market here. Compare to the rs3 and cla45 and suddenly it’s got the best steering.

[u/YouAreMentalM8]

I've got to agree with Paul and Todd about BMW steering. It's garbage. I just drove a couple BMW products yesterday (first time in 2 years) and had forgotten how bad it was. The chassis balance and drivetrains are very good, if not excellent, but the steering was absolutely, completely dead. It was far more numb than even my Golf R, which I thought was bad. I now have a new yardstick for numb steering.

It befits a luxury product and not a sports car, and for that simple reason I'd go with the Cayman, even if the drivetrain is inferior for the money.

[u/ItsAndwew]

Fellas, is the M2 a sports car?

[u/The_Exia]

I'd take the 718 in manual first, than the M2C manual then the Supra. If they were all automatic I'd take the Supra. If the Supra came in manual I'd take the Supra over the other two.

A manual Mark 5 Supra in Nitro Yellow or the new A91 Refraction Blue special edition would be awesome. I'd probably sell my C8 that isn't even here yet for a manual Mark 5 Supra.

[u/ab84fan]

I've driven the M2C and Cayman extensively. I and most reviews (including a recent comparison test by Motor Trend) agree that the Cayman is technically a better sports car since it is a sports car from the ground up, but the M2 is in some ways more fun since it's a total hooligan and visceral driving experience. Steering in the Cayman is more talkative but the M2's steering is one of the better EPS on the market.

One of them will be my next car. :)

By the way, Jason Cammisa had the exact opposite impressions of these guys when it came to the M2 CS vs Supra. He basically said the M2 trounced the Supra in every way imaginable.